The Protocols of Zion

[Althalus]

I came across this today, supposedly created by the Jews in secret and details there plan to take over the world.

www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/illuminati/zion.html

[Magikman]

Althalus,

 Its an ages old discredited conspiracy that has been re-awakened by a pathetically ignorant and bigoted jerk looking for justification for his hate and paranoia. Here are some links that provide real information;

http://www.skepdic.com/protocols.html

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mzionprotocol.html

Magikman

[PurpleStuart]

A Quote from the Skepdic link MM provided:

"Icke fancies himself "The most controversial author and speaker in the world." For him, the origin of the Illuminati is extraterrestrial. He knows this because he is contacted regularly with messages from beyond by the alien lizards"

:s03:s2:s02:s03:s2:s02:s03:s03:s2

Have you guys read Icke's website? It really is quite(unintentionally) funny

[Magikman]

PS,

  Don't forget, it wasn't too long ago this clown proclaimed himself to be the 'Son of God'  :s03, and that the royal family are all shape-shifting alien 'lizards'. He certainly has tonnes of credibility, especially for an ex 'sportscaster'.  :s3

Magikman

[GIZZIE]

He's right about the Royal Family though!! ;D

Is he still around?  I thought he would have been locked up years ago, along with Paco Rabanne and the rest of them. :s03

[GIZZIE]

:s2 :s2 :s2

I'm on the floor - I've just started reading the French translation of the interview with D Icke.  It hurts too much to continue;

"I caught David by the "telephone, in the London" :s01 :s01

I feel that he has already been caught in the "telephone, in the London" and that was the cause of his problems!!

Gizzie who has never been caught either in the "telephone" or the "London" and doesn't wish to experience being caught in the "anywhere"!!!

I wish there was a smiley with tears rolling down it's cheeks with laughter!!

[Althalus]

Paco Rabbanne, isn't he the one that said that MIR would crash into Paris and bring about Armaggeddon?

No wonder people call him Wacco Paco.

[Monkyburd]

The Protocals of the elders off Zion is a hoax, created in medieval times to unite russia against a common scapegoat. It has been handed down from generation to generation and recoppied into other books, making it seem authentic. It was one of the great influences behind hitler and his mein kampf.

The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", the most notorious and

most successful work of modern antisemitism, draws on popular

antisemitic notions which have their roots in medieval Europe from

the time of the Crusades. The libels that the Jews used blood of

Christian children for the Feast of Passover, poisoned the wells

and spread the plague were pretexts for the wholesale destruction

of Jewish communities throughout Europe. Tales were circulated

among the masses of secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was

to subjugate and exterminate the Christians, and motifs like these

are found in early antisemitic literature.

The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced

back to the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th

century. At that time, a French Jesuit named Abbe Barruel,

representing reactionary elements opposed to the revolution,

published in 1797 a treatise blaming the Revolution on a secret

conspiracy operating through the Order of Freemasons. Barruel's

idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at the time was heavily

Masonic, but he was influenced by a Scottish mathematician named

Robison who was opposed to the Masons. In his treatise, Barruel

did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated as a result

of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged

letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed

to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling

attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had

earlier attributed to the Masons. This myth of an international Jewish

conspiracy reappeared later on in 19th century Europe in places such

as Germany and Poland.

The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet

"Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", published by

the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues",

which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political

ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical

plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities

soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison

for his pamphlet.

Joly's "Dialogues", while intended as a political satire, soon

fell into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche

writing under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal

clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced

to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the

prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849.

Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish

conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz", which

appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague

and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel",

he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference

which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past

hundred years and to make plans for the next century.

Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to

Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation

of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech"

appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian

secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the

position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of

the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of

1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works

of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols

of the Elders of Zion". The manuscript of the Protocols was brought

to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897.

The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's

defeat in the Russo-Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the

same year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution

of the Duma. In the wake of these events, the reactionary "Union of

the Russian Nation" or Black Hundreds organization sought to incite

popular feeling against the Jews, who they blamed for the Revolution

and the Constitution. To this end they used the Protocols, which

was first published in a public edition by the mystic priest Sergius

Nilus in 1905. The Protocols were part of propaganda campaign which

accompanied the pogroms of 1905 inspired by the Okhrana. A variant

text of the Protocols was published by George Butmi in 1906 and again

in 1907. The edition of 1906 was found among the Czar's collection,

even though he had already recognized the work as a forgery. In his

later editions, Nilus claimed that the Protocols had been read

secretly at the First Zionist Congress at Basle in 1897, while

Butmi in his edition wrote that they had no connection with the

new Zionist movement, but rather were part of the Masonic conspiracy.

In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,

the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols

to incite widespread slaughters of Jews. At the same time, Russian

emigrants brought the Protocols to western Europe, where the Nilus

edition served as the basis for many translations, starting in 1920.

Just after its appearance in London in 1920, Lucien Wolf exposed the

Protocols as a plagiary of the earlier work of Joly and Goedsche, in

a pamphlet of the Jewish Board of Deputies. The following year, in

1921, the story of the forgery was published in a series of articles

in the London Times by Philip Grave, the paper's correspondent in

Constantinople. A whole book documenting the forgery was also published

in the same year in America by Herman Bernstein. Nevertheless, the

Protocols continued to circulate widely. They were even sponsored by

Henry Ford in the United States until 1927, and formed an important

part of the Nazis' justification of genocide of the Jews in World

War II.

All from Here

[turbonium]

OK - I'm going to throw a balancing wrench into the works here. Whether the Protocols are fake or genuine is one thing (more on that later). But whether they accurately reflect what is now going on is another. First, note the points as written over 150 years ago and compare each one to today's society. Even if the Protocols were put in the Mysticism and Prophecy Section of a bookstore if re-printed (the Protocols are not permitted to be published - more on that later, as well), the writer(s) would make Nostradamus look like a carnival hack.

Below in bold, are selected passages from the Protocols of Zion. The second link is quite an eye-opening interview!

Protocols

Rosenthal Speaks Out

WE NAME PRESIDENTS

11. In the near future we shall establish the responsibility of presidents.

12. By that time we shall be in a position to disregard forms in carrying through matters for which our impersonal puppet will be responsible.

13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some ("Panama?)" or other -- then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.

16. The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State.

WE CONTROL THE PRESS

4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

7. And if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions in print the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical -- for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders.

Edited June 3, 2005 by turbonium