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I'm looking for something in the Bible.

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Septimus

I have been killing myself looking for the part in the bible that says it is wrong for women to be with women. Lesbians. I've found the whole thing on unlawful sexual relations and still haven't seen anything saying being a lesbian is sin.

Am I just missing it???

I found the part where it says it's a sin to have sex with a girl when they're on their period and I found the part where it says it's a sin to have sex with animals but still nothing concerning women having sex with women.

Anybody know?

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TaintedDoughnuts

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Paranoid Android

There is plenty in the bible on male/male relationships. I honestly don't recall anyting on lesbian relationships, but we can assume the same applies to female's as it does male's.

Regards,

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Septimus
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Well that isn't saying those things are sins. What I'm looking for is it saying, "THIS IS A SIN" and then say it. This is the passage saying they won't inherit the kingdom of God (which, does that mean they don't go to heaven or what?)

And how is it they are thrown into a group including IDOLATORS?? How many of you have been asked to write an essay on your idol for English? I know I have.

Slanderers? You mean if someone were to say something like, "Oh, that chick over there is a whore, she sleeps with everyone." Let's say that's false, then they're slandering...does that mean they don't inherit the Kingdom of God either? I think everyone's done that.

And isn't it sexually immoral for the woman to be on top??? I don't see how any of these things are worthy of...er, ingeritance. wtf does that mean anyway O.o. Inherit the Kingdom of God? Heaven right?

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Septimus
There is plenty in the bible on male/male relationships.  I honestly don't recall anyting on lesbian relationships, but we can assume the same applies to female's as it does male's.

Regards,

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Well I thought so too, but when I was reading through it God was being REALLY specific about everything. Like instead of just saying "don't freakin' do incest", he lists like every single possible way that someone can do incest. If he's that specific about everything he should have at least put in there somewhere that lesbianism is wrong.

Another odd thing, when I searched the word "homosexual" nothing came up, but there it is in Tainted Doughnut's quote. Is it possible that they changed a previous word from an older version of the bible to "homosexuals" in a newer version?

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joc

You might be interested in reading:

A Letter to Louise

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Septimus
That's right, so the King James version does not have the word "homosexual" in it. How odd. Wait maybe I'm just missing it!! *has no idea how to use a bible*

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Fluffybunny

The book of leviticus has a reference to male/male sex.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The rest of livitus is rather a hoot as well. LOTS of putting people to death for imagined transgressions...it is a side splitter.

More can be found here:

Linky Dinky

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Septimus
You might be interested in reading:

A Letter to Louise

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Thanks for the link I'll be reading it. I'll post when I'm finished.

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Septimus
The book of leviticus has a reference to male/male sex.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The rest of livitus is rather a hoot as well. LOTS of putting people to death for imagined transgressions...it is a side splitter.

More can be found here:

Linky Dinky

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lol yeah I read that stuff hehe

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Paranoid Android

Homosexual is a recent term to describe the sexual act of a man and man or a woman and woman. It's not in the Bible anymore than the term "gay" is in the Bible to mean homosexual either.

No man shall lie with another man as he does a woman - Fluffy posted the Leviticus passage. There are other's but I haven't got a Bible handy right now to search.

The Corinthians passage that TD posted - They will not inherit the Kingdom of God. To inherit the Kingdom of God is to enter heaven. None who do this will enter heaven, ie they did the wrong thing.

Although it is also prudent to note here that the passages are condemning the act of homosexuality, not the people themselves. God loves each and every person. Homosexuality is just another way that people can go against God.

Regards,

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Fluffybunny
Although it is also prudent to note here that the passages are condemning the act of homosexuality, not the people themselves. God loves each and every person. Homosexuality is just another way that people can go against God.

The whole thing about putting those that were homosexual to death kind of throws that theory out the window...

Being homosexual is not a choice or lifestyle; study after study in medicine and psychology supports the idea...How can god punish a person for doing something that he designed them to do? (Presuming that god does the designing and the judging as set forth in the bible)

It just doesn't make sense....

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joc
It just doesn't make sense....

I am in a 'shock and awe' mood tonight...

...You are correct sir! It doesn't make any sense. Isn't it interesting that included in that entire diatribe of laws is the law of tithing? And isn't it most fascinating that the Church's...every last one of them...have shrugged off that entire litany of law...with the exception of...the law of tithing? Isn't it interesting?

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Septimus
Joc, I'm reading this piece-by-piece and so far am loving it. I shared it with my partner and she thinks the same.

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joc
Joc, I'm reading this piece-by-piece and so far am loving it. I shared it with my partner and she thinks the same.

You're welcome...I didn't actually read it myself...I am way to lazy for that...I just input Lesbian and Bible into the Yahoo search engine and found it...but as I skimmed through it, I realized it was within the same venue of questioning you are experiencing. Hope it helps. thumbsup.gif

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Septimus
Joc, I'm reading this piece-by-piece and so far am loving it. I shared it with my partner and she thinks the same.

You're welcome...I didn't actually read it myself...I am way to lazy for that...I just input Lesbian and Bible into the Yahoo search engine and found it...but as I skimmed through it, I realized it was within the same venue of questioning you are experiencing. Hope it helps. thumbsup.gif

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lol well thanks anyway. Maybe I'll post some quotes from it, since it's so freakin' long, heh.

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Septimus

Here are some quotes from it:

"All of this hate is a sickness in our society that comes from ignorance about homosexuality. Our society must become informed, enlightened about it. Those who are involved in discussions in denominations and churches about it must study it and not speak from ignorance of it and the result of ignorance: prejudice."

"The lynching of Blacks has almost passed, but not the lynching of gays and lesbians. Some one hundred hate-crime murders of gays and lesbians are recorded in the U.S. each year. Most receive little press. An exception was Matt Shepard--beaten and tied to a fence to die in Wyoming because he was gay. Shortly afterwards, gays and lesbians all over America received faxes, emails and phone calls saying, "Matt Shepard is dead; you may be next." Two such murders have had books written about them. A man walking in a wilderness area in Pennsylvania observed from a distance two women camped there, and they were holding hands. He walked back to his truck for his rifle. One of the women survived his shooting and wrote the book, Eight Bullets."

"Gays in a major city complained to the police that it was not safe for them to walk in their neighborhood. The police didn't believe them but finally had plain-clothes officers walk there as decoys. The officers, mistaken for gays, were attacked by men with baseball bats. Twelve men were finally arrested for homophobic attacks in that one neighborhood. An article in our paper a few days ago told of a man asking where the nearest gay bar was; he said he wanted to shoot some queers. A few minutes later he did. Such things are happening everywhere in America, and gays and lesbians live in constant anxiety about these kinds of hate crimes."

"Homosexuals do not have the natural protection of the law that others have. There are nationwide laws against discrimination on the basis of race and national origin, but only one-fifth of our states have laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation--there is no federal law. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld laws in two states making same-gender sex illegal. A Dallas judge gave a light sentence to a murderer explaining that the victim was only a homosexual. What encouragement is thus given to gay-bashers! The hatred gays and lesbians encounter, added to the psychological problems most face in accepting their homosexuality, make many of them live in an ever-present milieu that borders on trauma."

"What made me, a heterosexual, fall in love with a person of the opposite gender? I can't say--it is just some innate characteristic of my makeup. In the homosexual, that characteristic works differently for some yet unknown reason, and the falling-in-love process is directed at the same gender. But it is a true falling in love. It isn't a sexual thing for them any more that it is for heterosexuals."

"While some homosexuals are sexually lustful and promiscuous, the percentage may actually be lower than that of heterosexuals. The pornographic industry, estimated at up to one hundred billion dollars a year, the gentlemen's clubs, the brothels, internet pornography, etc. are all supported by heterosexual lust. That industry annually lures two thousand teenage girls into prostitution in the city of Dallas alone."

"If we look at a heterosexual man or woman and do not immediately think of sex, then when we look at a gay or a lesbian, we should not immediately think of sex. They are people like us with the same needs and concerns, problems and failures and successes and sorrows and joys that we have, plus lots of problems that we do not have. What is a homosexual act? Examples: a gay man walking his dog or a lesbian fixing her supper."

"Until the late nineteenth century, as already mentioned, the concept of homosexuality was totally unknown. No Bible writer knew of homosexuality, so no Bible writer could have said anything about it. When the Bible speaks of same-gender sex, it is always talking about heterosexuals who are given over to such lust that they commit lustful acts. There cannot be anything in the Bible that says anything about (unknown) homosexuality or homosexual people or acts by homosexuals."

"Heterosexual sex acts are also condemned by the Bible whenever they are lustful, but that doesn't mean all heterosexual sex acts are condemned. It is the lust that is condemned, not an act. If we recognize that opposite-gender sex can be either lustful and evil as in rape or be moral and beautiful as between loving spouses, we must recognize the possibility that same-gender sex can be moral and beautiful, as well as lustful and evil."

These are just some of the things in here. I understand it's a lot to read, but skim through it and look at some things, please. This world needs to change. Pass these things on to other people, too.

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LarryOldtimer
Homosexual is a recent term to describe the sexual act of a man and man or a woman and woman.  It's not in the Bible anymore than the term "gay" is in the Bible to mean homosexual either. 

No man shall lie with another man as he does a woman - Fluffy posted the Leviticus passage.  There are other's but I haven't got a Bible handy right now to search. 

The Corinthians passage that TD posted - They will not inherit the Kingdom of God.  To inherit the Kingdom of God is to enter heaven.  None who do this will enter heaven, ie they did the wrong thing.

Although it is also prudent to note here that the passages are condemning the act of homosexuality, not the people themselves.  God loves each and every person.  Homosexuality is just another way that people can go against God.

Regards,

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I just can't get over how some of you can make anything in the Bible mean whatever you want it to mean. You kind of left off the last of the quote: and both shall be put to death. Yeah, that is an act of love by God, for sure. He loves them to death. no.gif

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Paranoid Android

Larry - to extend this reasoning further, there is one of the quotes in the old Testament where it is said to be a sin to wear clothes made of two kinds of material.

So every person who wears a poly/cotton blend should be put to death too no.gif

This is not the Spirituality vs Skepticism forum, so I refuse to argue further on this issue. If you so wish, post a thread in the appropriate section and I'll be more than happy to get the details. As it is, I'll just repeat that God loves all equally, He just does not like what we do (which includes hetero's as well as it does gay and lesbian......)

Regards,

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Watzel

You really have to step back and think about what the Bible is saying and how it is so illogical.

If you believe in the Bible then you must believe that God created us just as we are. Well, funny thing, God created us to have sexual desire about the time we hit puberty. He also created people that have unusual sexual preferences as in liking the same gender. Then the Bible comes along and says sex is nasty and dirty and if you even have sexual thoughts you are comminting a sin. THis is obviously a contradicition to our God given, created bodies.

Ever wonder why sex is considered so dirty in the Bible and is of so much concern? How can sex be dirty? When two people have sex they become closer to each other, they pass the emotion of love toward one another, they enjoy something that is not causing harm to either of them. Therefore, the Bible is directly opposed to a human capability that is natural and promotes positive human emotions.

Don't take the Bible too seriously when in regard to sex. It was most likely put there by humans to further enhance control.

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Paranoid Android

And I'm sure every person who wishes to gratify their desires will be saying exactly the same thing Watzel.

In my opinion, sex was created by God for a specific purpose - for a man and a woman to marry and ultimately create another human life. I'm not saying sex is evil. Sex is a beautiful thing which we should enjoy. But there is a context. Sex outside of the paramaters God has set (marriage) is not in line with what God created it for. Pre-marital sex, adultery, homosexuality - all are contrary to God's purpose for sex.

To use an analogy - in winter it can be nice to put a fire in the fire place. It warms the house up, and I don't freeze. But if I put that fire in the middle of the living room then my house burns down with me and my family around it.

You see what I'm saying.

Regards,

Edited by Paranoid Android

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(31oha2a121)

why do you want to know anyway just out of curiousity? are you a lesbian and christian, is that why youre worried, well theres no need to be, we are who we are, why ,if there is a god, would he want us to be anything else than ourselves. if he did wed all be skizos.

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maryjo1975
And isn't it sexually immoral for the woman to be on top??? I don't see how any of these things are worthy of...er, ingeritance. wtf does that mean anyway O.o. Inherit the Kingdom of God? Heaven right?[/size]

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Uh oh.....I'm in trouble now! LOL!!

Actually, coming from a southern baptist background....my mother always told me that (in the context of sex in a marriage of course...) whatever you wanted to do is fine so long as both people are comfortable with it.

I have never, ever heard that it is immoral for the woman to be on top. Where did you hear that?

And why am I the only person to notice this? LOL!

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Azalin

Im not sure how they can do a study on Homosexuality, I still believe it's a preference, not something you are born with. Retardation is something that can be born with, but growing up who you are attracted too. I push that upon the environement on how you were rasied, who you interact with, how your parents were, and the like.

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Watzel
I have been killing myself looking for the part in the bible that says it is wrong for women to be with women. Lesbians. I've found the whole thing on unlawful sexual relations and still haven't seen anything saying being a lesbian is sin.

Am I just missing it???

I found the part where it says it's a sin to have sex with a girl when they're on their period and I found the part where it says it's a sin to have sex with animals but still nothing concerning women having sex with women.

Anybody know?

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You really have to step back and think about what the Bible is saying and how it is so illogical.

If you believe in the Bible then you must believe that God created us just as we are. Well, funny thing, God created us to have sexual desire about the time we hit puberty. He also created people that have unusual sexual preferences as in liking the same gender. Then the Bible comes along and says sex is nasty and dirty and if you even have sexual thoughts you are comminting a sin. This is obviously a contradicition to our God given, created bodies.

Ever wonder why sex is considered so dirty in the Bible and is of so much concern? How can sex be dirty? When two people have sex they become closer to each other, they pass the emotion of love toward one another, they enjoy something that is not causing harm to either of them. Therefore, the Bible is directly opposed to a human capability that is natural and promotes positive human emotions.

Don't take the Bible too seriously when in regard to sex. It was most likely put there by humans to further enhance control. thumbsup.gif

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