Documents Expose British Police!

[Bone_Collector]

* De Menezes was not wearing a belt or jacket that could have concealed weapons—he was wearing a denim jacket.

* At no point was he challenged by the police, all of whom were in plain clothes. This flatly contradicts the statement made by Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair that he refused to obey police instructions.

* De Menezes did not leap over the ticket barrier to the underground station where the shooting took place but entered normally. He did not run away from the police, as he was completely unaware he was being followed. Rather, he picked up a free newspaper as he slowly descended the elevator to the platform.

* De Menezes did not trip or stumble as he ran on to the train in an attempt to evade arrest, thus allowing police to “capture” him. Instead he had boarded the train and was seated when he was shot through the head.

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So, they have been lying after all. SHOCKING!

[__Kratos__]

Look at the source...

[Subtemperate]

I have seen the same thing on nightly news here though, which was backed by the ex-chief of police as the so called leak document is in fact very real.....

[Bone_Collector]

Look at the source...

Would this convince you?

BBC

[__Kratos__]

Look at the source...

Would this convince you?

BBC

797159[/snapback]

That just messed up your first post... of not wearing a belt! Look at the leaked photo of his corpse! He is clearly wearing a belt!

Thanks for the link though.

[Bone_Collector]

The News site in my first post said: de Menezes was not wearing a belt or jacket that could have concealed weapons. Now, a belt needn't NECESSARILY mean a waist belt right?

Edited August 18, 2005 by Bone_Collector

[Commander CMG]

I never realised a weapon could not be conceiled under a denim jacket? I wonder who is paying for the legal fee's as an illegal immigrant he should not qualify for legal Aid... but I bet he does?

[__Kratos__]

The News site in my first post said e Menezes was not wearing a belt or jacket that could have concealed weapons. Now, a belt need NOT always mean a waist belt right?

797175[/snapback]

So... your telling me a weapon can't be small and well placed?

If you didn't mean a WAIST belt then why didn't you say so, instead of just saying a weapons belt?

[Bone_Collector]

I never realised a weapon could not be conceiled under a denim jacket?

So... your telling me a weapon can't be small and well placed? 

A small weapon could be concealed ANYWHERE, leave alone a denim jacket which is quite commonly worn, that would make everybody a suspect, even you guys, wouldn't it? Would it give the police a right to kill absolutely anyone who wears common clothing, huh? What about all the talk of the police saying that he was wearing a heavy padded leather jacket in warm weather?

I wonder who is paying for the legal fee's as an illegal immigrant he should not qualify for legal Aid... but I bet he does?

Are you trying to say that the whole thing should be snubbed and his case shouldn't be investigated just because he is an immigrant? Gosh!

If you didn't mean a WAIST belt then why didn't you say so, instead of just saying a weapons belt?

I just posted what was there on the site, it wasn't I who wrote it all up and it was you who perceived things differently, not I.

Anyways, aren't you guys just deviating from the central idea of the main topic : The British Police LIED to cover their you know what .

Edited August 19, 2005 by Bone_Collector

[__Kratos__]

A small weapon could be concealed ANYWHERE, leave alone a denim jacket which is quite commonly worn, that would make everybody a suspect, even you guys, wouldn't it? Would it give the police a right to kill absolutely anyone whole wears common clothing, huh? What about all the talk of the police saying that he was wearing a heavy padded leather jacket in warm weather?

He was also acting funny. Just didn't shoot at him because of his clothing... jeez...

Anyways, aren't you guys just deviating from the central idea of the main topic : The British Police LIED to cover their you know what .

They might have...

Still the witnesses there...

[Bone_Collector]

He was also acting funny. Just didn't shoot at him because of his clothing... jeez...

He didn't act funny or anything, they killed him because he came out of a building which was under surveillance, they thought that was good enough reason to kill him. They could have confirmed his identity when they rounded him up before taking such a drastic and irresponsible step. It looks as if they WANTED to kill and make a statement.

Edited August 19, 2005 by Bone_Collector

[bathory]

howabout instead of jumping to conclusions and throwing wild accusations around, we wait for the actual report.

[Commander CMG]

^

Exactly, lets wait for the final report, the Police are not going pin someone down and put half a dozen rounds into his head without reason, especially here in the UK.

[wunarmdscissor]

it is begginning to look bad for the police but it must be taken in context.

[Commander CMG]

15K offered to the Menendez family for the shooting and only 11k offered to the family's of the victims of the suicide bombers.

His lawyer and family shoulting how our police are acting like 3rd World officers... how many innocent people do teh Brazilian police shoot on a regular basis? how many street children have to hide after dark in sorm drains in fear of the Brazilian police force?

An illegal immigrant was shot in London during one of the highest Threat levels yet... if it was an accident then it is nothing but accident of War.

They demand the sacking of our senior officer??? becasue some scraot kid working illegally here in the UK and not paying Tax, trying to earn money to invest back in a farm in Brazil was shot.

Send his family the tax bill and ship him home.

[bathory]

Exactly, lets wait for the final report, the Police are not going pin someone down and put half a dozen rounds into his head without reason, especially here in the UK.

that only happens with the Victorian police force in australia:P

[dmgspycat]

Symantics over a belt and jacket is nothing compared to the real story of how the police knew better but killed this man to create a patsy out of him. Now they have been caught red-handed, they knew this wasn't the guy. Those b******* killed an innocent man.

[Nirwana]

That killing wasn't really necessary, even if he was a suspect they NEED TO MAKE SURE before they kill someone, are they amateurs or what? I surely wouldn't be happy if this happened to someone in my family.

[Commander CMG]

He is a casualty of war, last time I looked we were at was against Terrorism.. Nirwana how do you confirm he is not a suicide bomber before you shoot him?

[Bone_Collector]

it is begginning to look bad for the police but it must be taken in context.

802020[/snapback]

Yes, it must be taken in context: I agree. I was completely with the police and felt that they didn't have any other option other than killing the guy, I too thought that the risk of letting him go was too great when they said that the guy came out of a building which was under surveilance, wore a heavy padded leather jacket in warm weather, was acting suspicious and ran when he was confronted, jumped a railing and tried to get into a train, though it sounded funny why any innocent guy would do that. Now that it's been shown that the british police have been lying all the while about the circumstances under which the killing took place and their intent to cover the whole thing up, it doesn't leave me thinking deep on which side to take.

15K offered to the Menendez family for the shooting and only 11k offered to the family's of the victims of the suicide bombers.

His lawyer and family shoulting how our police are acting like 3rd World officers... how many innocent people do teh Brazilian police shoot on a regular basis? how many street children have to hide after dark in sorm drains in fear of the Brazilian police force?

An illegal immigrant was shot in London during one of the highest Threat levels yet... if it was an accident then it is nothing but accident of War.

They demand the sacking of our senior officer??? becasue some scraot kid working illegally here in the UK and not paying Tax, trying to earn money to invest back in a farm in Brazil was shot.

Send his family the tax bill and ship him home.

802246[/snapback]

XSAS, nobody is saying that this guy's life is more important than all the other victims of the suicide bombers, EVERY life is important. The suicide bombings are acts of terrorists, this killing of an innocent man is by the police from whom we expect much better judgement, isn't it?

I din't make this thread to say that an innocent BRAZILIAN was killed, I made this thread to say that an innocent man was killed. It's not Brazilian Police Vs British Police, please...

Bombings happen all the time in several countries, scores of people lose their lives, threat levels in such places are much much greater than what you might have ever seen or imagined in UK. It's just that incidents such as these don't get as much publicity as incidents in the more developed countries.

You are saying that this guy is an illegal immigrant, not paying his taxes, so his killing is justified and his tax bill along with his body should be shipped home.

Apparently every single citizen of UK pays his tax promptly, and every illegal non-tax paying immigrant should be given to British police as target practice right?

[girty1600]

All governments are evil and policemen are bad; lets get rid of all of them.

[thebarman]

and every illegal non-tax paying immigrant should be given to British police as target practice right?

803342[/snapback]

Maybe a death sentence is a little harsh, but when you've got the problem in the UK that we have with illegal immigrants you can understand that some of us will have little sympathy for someone who gets caught in the crossfire (so to speak) and shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Granted it shouldn't have happened, but no one should have to resign over it, especially when we need all the police we can get.

[Commander CMG]

He was a casualty of war, I don't see any family members of all the other innocent shooting victims by the Police getting the same publicity.

Individuals that have been shot because they were holding a chair leg, mistaken for a gun?

During the highest threat level this country has seen, menendez was shot?

My point about him being an illegal was to highlite the fact that this government protects the wrong people, the offer of 15k to menendez's family and the offer of 11k to the victims family proves this?

I am justifying the shooting because he was an illegal immigrant, I don't care if he was an High powered judge, the police have a duty to carry out, what if this guy had been involved with terrorists and was wearing a belt or indeed had a grenade in his pocket and then detonated it on a tube, the Police would have been flamed for not doing their job? If an illegal immgrant has rights in our legal system then it will open the floodgates.

As for the comparison of Brazilian police to UK police, this is still on topic as the family and their legal team are using that for defence, I would have loved to seen how the Brazilian police had dealt with this? they use street children for target practice.

If it was an accident it is tragic but no more tragic than any other shooting?

It is is ashame that this 1 death over shadows the death of all the innocent victims of the bombings.

He is dead send his body home along with his family instead of trying to bleed more money out of our country.

[girty1600]

I don't know about everyone else but I get a bit tired of the "criminals have rights too" speech. I have no respect for people that break laws for personal gain. Period. So forgive me if I can't feel sorry for this guy. I hope his family receives no money and gets deported.

[Bone_Collector]

Maybe a death sentence is a little harsh, but when you've got the problem in the UK that we have with illegal immigrants you can understand that some of us will have little sympathy for someone who gets caught in the crossfire (so to speak) and shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Granted it shouldn't have happened, but no one should have to resign over it, especially when we need all the police we can get.

Yeah, I do understand the problem you have with the illegal immigrants there in UK. Catch the damn people, deport them back and enforce strict immigration laws.

I know there is such a thing as 'too much tolerance'.

It's sad to hear that you people have little sympathy for such people but let me tell you one thing : many immigrants come to more developed countries to earn a

living, they come to developed countries because their counries don't have enough jobs for them, they come to support their families and to basically survive. They would do any menial job and strive very hard to survive, some immigrants stay on illegally out of desperation, need and having nowhere else to go. Believe me, some of the countries from which these illegal immigrants come from, don't even have enough to eat, decent shelter to stay, leave alone jobs. The governments of such underdeveloped countries don't have enough to support their citizens.Unfortunately, most people from developed countries don't really understand the word 'desperation'.