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The Looting in New Orleans

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Babs

Cops in New Orleans are turning in their badges, they can't take it anymore. The governor has declared war on the lawless and the looters.

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Disinterested

But what is going on down there? How many troops are down there now? You'd think that at this point we'd start to see some improvements.

It's terrible.

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Raptor

^Police are moving in, with a shoot to kill (looters) policy.

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Rhomphaia

About damn time.

With thugs shooting at helicopters trying to rescue people, armed *******s breaking into homes and robbing people at gunpoint, gangs cornering and raping women, I am tempted to go down there myself with some rations and a hunting rifle. When someone is sniping your ass, you tend to do a lot less law breaking.

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Mr Ed

Those stories of rape and shooting are sick, it is hard to believe that people will do that crap when people are dying.

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Wrighty

I know, it's been anounced that the estimate of people dead is 10,000.

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Faeden

So if a mother is watching her baby die and brakes into to a store to get baby food she deserves to be shot? no.gif You know you never saw this in Asia when the tsunami happened, and I thought Americans where supposed to be more civilised..... You know Bush was blabbing on a while back about how evil Saddam was for killing his own civilians.. Hypocrite.

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BurnSide
I know, it's been anounced that the estimate of people dead is 10,000.

No, it hasn't. Confirmed, it's been about 200. They're estimating maybe a thousand.

10,000 is ridiculous.

Faeden, who where when said anything about shooting people desperately in need looting food and water?

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Wrighty

Just heard it on the news.

Might have heard wrong.

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__Kratos__

Cnn.com

In one incident, the sergeant said gunmen fired rifles and AK-47s at the helicopters flying overhead.

He said he saw bodies riddled with bullet holes, and the top of one man's head completely shot off.

Good shootin boys. thumbsup.gif

Turn on the police scanner, their talking on it right now. Wish I understoond police talk. :S Thanks, Redneck for that link. original.gif

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Faeden
Faeden, who where when said anything about shooting people desperately in need looting food and water?

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I was replying to all the members that say shoot the looters.

Someone on here said that permission had been given for a shoot to kill policy on all looters.

By T_nemesis

^Police are moving in, with a shoot to kill (looters) policy.

I was responding to that.

All the best

Faeden

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BurnSide

Well even if it was not said, i don't think anyone here will back the shooting of innocent people taking food and supplies.

There are looters there who are stealing cars, tvs, expensive designer suits, and stepping over dead bodies to do it. They are criminals who put their own greed before the lives of children in this disaster, and those are the looters to which, as far as i took it, the members here are saying to go ahead and shoot.

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__Kratos__
I was replying to all the members that say shoot the looters.

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rolleyes.gif The lot of us all agreed looting for food was OK, and looting for TV's and crap wasn't! Stop trying to twist all our words. thumbsup.gif

It is because of the suffering the innocent are going through because of the rogue looters trying to make a buck or two in all of this. Not fair at all to the starving babies in their mothers arms. no.gif

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snuffypuffer

there is a big, big difference between looting an electronics store and raking grocery store shelves for vienna sausages and water. I'd hope folks would know the difference between someone foraging for food and someone raiding a Best Buy.

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Raptor
I know, it's been anounced that the estimate of people dead is 10,000.

No, it hasn't. Confirmed, it's been about 200. They're estimating maybe a thousand.

10,000 is ridiculous.

Faeden, who where when said anything about shooting people desperately in need looting food and water?

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Im positive I heard 10,000 also. While I believe looting is wrong; it most certainly doesnt deserve the death penalty, only in extremely rare circumstances should it be the case.

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Iilaa'mpuul'xem
I know, it's been anounced that the estimate of people dead is 10,000.

No, it hasn't. Confirmed, it's been about 200. They're estimating maybe a thousand.

10,000 is ridiculous.

Faeden, who where when said anything about shooting people desperately in need looting food and water?

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Burnsy, ridiculous or not that is what the news said here in the UK estimated death 10,000?

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BurnSide

Well, i most certainly haven't heard anything like that. Most i've heard is 'most likely hundreds, possibly a thousand'.

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Iilaa'mpuul'xem

No it came as a shock when we heard it, however they can't have any real idea as yet... too early.

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BurnSide

Best they've got confirmed is 200 or so.

But as Dis was saying, they're showing scenes on CNN of rescuers going from door to door, checking out homes and them marking the front of them with the number of dead inside. So no doubt it will climb very high.

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JayRob303

QUOTE(Cnn @ Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 2:59 p.m. EDT (18:59 GMT)

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Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses'

Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. (Listen to the mayor express his frustration in this video -- 12:09)

You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am p***ed.

WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.

WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

WWL: Did the governor do that, too?

NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.

WWL: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.

WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.

WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.

Source

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__Kratos__
Burnsy, ridiculous or not that is what the news said here in the UK estimated death 10,000?

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I just heard that number on the news. hmm.gif dang... no.gif

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

They honesly do... even common stuff they need it. They really do have nothing down there. hmm.gif

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Me_Again

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12:35 A.M. - AP: Harris County judge Robert Eckels said that the bus was driven by a young person who found it in New Orleans, picked up a bunch of others and drove it to Houston.

So this kid should be shot for looting a bus huh.gif Where is the line drawn ?

Black people loot, white people find?

Link

Looting is not the problem...why aren't we seeing pictures of people carring TV's , DVD's , etc. through the water wacko.gif

BTW does anyone else find it odd that this first hand account by a photographer, isn't working...Link

This one works though

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__Kratos__
Black people loot, white people find?

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Perhaps you missed this quote in the story:

The images were shot by different photographers, and captioned by different photo wire services.

Stop twisting this for a racial issue, cause it really isn't. There is nothing, but two views of the problem at hand. People "find" and people "loot" depending on the person at hand looking at it.

Like to me... people are "finding" food and there are people "looting" TVs.

Stories like this are nothing, but sick to me. Trying to take words out of context to fit their own needs, while so many are suffering.

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JayRob303

Was watching CNN last night...and it is just not right...the way these people have been living. Made me want to take the mini-van, and go pick up a family, then bring them home...and I'm not exaggerating... 3 day weekend coming up for Labor Day, could make the trip, and still make it back to work on Tuesday...and at least be able to sayI helped some family in need!!! I'm sure the wife would shoot it down though... I don't have a lot of money freed up to donate, so maybe this is the only way that I could help...argh...very emotional time for all!

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Mr Slayer

Regarding food I think it's a matter of survival. In a form that we, not being there, cannot understand one bit. It's desperation, anger, fear, panic and serious lack of prudence in a very hazardous mixture.

Stealing cars, Tv's, money and stereos can't be seen as "desperate" ways of making trade or something. Those people are scum. Just like looters in Thailand-Tsunami-disaster and the looting of the museum of Baghdad, for example.

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