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Intensity21

Damn, I'm trying to find those Edit pics...

But they don't seem to be online. How's that possible?

How can anything exist and be in the media, but no on the net?

Well, I'm working on it... You're gonna be the first to know guys... :)

Ease up on the curse words, if you please.

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Wolfen

Well i hope you find something.... But if not then its no fault of yours :D

So good luck in finding them and what your doin is appreciated

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Capeta Brazil

There are a lot of things about Annelise Michel (including the trial and the exorcism) in german wikipedia, realy cool stuff.

the bad thing about this is that is in german. :hmm: ... in english just the comments about the movie.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

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gollo

Someone brought up the fact that the tapes played in the movie are in English and the girl whom the movie was based on, Anneliese Michel, was German , which could mean it's a hoax or a scare tactic, which I hadn't thought about so for a second I was like, "Yea, this movie is B.S. like Blair Witch."

Then I got to thinking about it... One of the elements that must be met for a person to be recognized by the Catholic Church as being Demonically Possessed, is speaking in tounges. I think generally it means speaking in Latin, or some dead Babylonian language or something, but who's to say it can't be contemporary languages. Like me speaking Farsi or French outta no where.

the actual qualification is not speaking in "tongues" (which is supposed to be a sign of religious ecstasy) but speaking in a language which the person has never learned.

Considering she was German, there is probably a good chance that she will have learned English or at least some of it, just because of her geographical location.

If i remember correctley, in the EXORCIST, the girl was speaking English, but backwards which would be a very hard thing to learn. :tu:

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Wolfen

There are a lot of things about Annelise Michel (including the trial and the exorcism) in german wikipedia, realy cool stuff.

the bad thing about this is that is in german. :hmm: ... in english just the comments about the movie.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

Its simple, for people who cant read german use google go language tools and paste the link in translate website..Or use this link which will skip that process

http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie.../language_tools

And there we have it in English! :tu:BUT! some words will translate a bit wrong or not at all and some parts will be hard ot understand but in my opinion its better than nothing

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BETO

Its simple, for people who cant read german use google go language tools and paste the link in translate website..Or use this link which will skip that process

http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie.../language_tools

And there we have it in English! :tu:BUT! some words will translate a bit wrong or not at all and some parts will be hard ot understand but in my opinion its better than nothing

Yesterday saw the Emili Rose movie.

So i have a question about the movie, if a normal person has contact with other hypersensible person is there a chance the normal person to be possesed.

Same question but if a normal person see and listen and exorcism?????????

And same question if this person see a exorcism video?????????

And with all this facts can induce to a normal person be hypersensible.???????????

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freaky

Someone brought up the fact that the tapes played in the movie are in English and the girl whom the movie was based on, Anneliese Michel, was German , which could mean it's a hoax or a scare tactic, which I hadn't thought about so for a second I was like, "Yea, this movie is B.S. like Blair Witch."

Then I got to thinking about it... One of the elements that must be met for a person to be recognized by the Catholic Church as being Demonically Possessed, is speaking in tounges. I think generally it means speaking in Latin, or some dead Babylonian language or something, but who's to say it can't be contemporary languages. Like me speaking Farsi or French outta no where.

I think one of the biggest things that would discredit Demonic Possession to me, would be, whats the point? What is to gain from possessing a person at all? If the Devil where all powerful and as all knowing as God, why waste time playing T-Ball if you have to power to be in the world series? I guess maybe it could be to remind people your there, but 80% person of people are just going the be like, "Yea whatever, that was fake." I know first hand from that.

Back in 1996 I went with some friends to a church thing (I'm not to much of a religious person by the way, Agnostic), anyway... Everyone's singing and having a good time, then all of a sudden this girl falls to the floor, starts screaming gibberish, and then the lights start flickering and the fire alarm goes on and off. I'm not going to lie, it scared the sh** out of me, but even being that close to a supposed Demonic Possession, after the shock, reason and logic sets in. It could be orchestrated; a way to get more people to come to the church and donate money. But then again everyone has defense mechanisms when it comes to confronting "life altering experiences," and I'm probably not exempt either. Who knows...?

Maybe, she was schizophrenic. I have an Aunt that does the same type of stuff when her condition gets to her really bad. Maybe Anneliese Michel developed schizophrenia, and with her deep religious up bringing, I think, it could easily explain why she acted the way she did.

By the way, that audio clip someone posted, scared the sh** out of me I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Anyway, enough ranting from me, just some food for thought. Anyone else got Possession stories to share so that I don't look like a lunatic? See ya!

hi just watched that film and i really dont know what to think, to be honest i cant truley beliveve anything unless experience it myself. xx Edited by freaky

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Tory

I loved the movie, I saw it in Theaters and rented it when it came out yestorday, im ganna buy it sometime and another thing, I want to find pictures of the real girl and see a picture of her gravesite but I dont know where to look. -sighs- :cry:

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*HAMMER*

I picked up the DVD last night because the theater movie intrigued me so much. I have always been fascinated by the supernatural. My whole life I have sought answers to the questions that surround these types of events. As is my habit when stories like this come out, I did some research on the subject of Anneliese Michel and her supposed demonic possession. Once again I find myself in a familiar place. Where the hell is the EVIDENCE that any of this is true at all? It seems to me that it would be in the church's best interest to release evidence that supports demonic possession if they support the rites to remove said demons by way of exorcism. Especially intriguing is the factor of the priest who was put on trial and ultimately found guilty of criminal negligance in this case. Where was the evidence? Anybody? Anybody???

I have read some short works from a couple of different paranormal investigators who both have said that although they hunger to do so, have NEVER found any stinking case of possession that wasnt surrounding somebody that would have done much better with about 400mg's of Wellbutrin! These people are ****ed up. They are horribly insecure and feel the need to writhe around and convince the people around them that they are "possessed" by supernatural forces.

There have been countless stories about chairs, beds, bookcases and various trinkits "floating" across the room or being thrown by some force during a possession, which I might add, is ALWAYS and WITHOUT EXCEPTION, recorded from beginning to end in both video and audio. Every stinking exorcism since 1960 has been recorded, and never once has any true levitation been captured. Police files of actual officers that were present during such procedures always include some statement like "I was trying not to laugh at this crap, because this kid was simply acting like a freak"

I've seen movie recordings of actual exorcisms with warnings like "not for the feint of heart" and "be careful these images are disturbing". Yeah? looks like an idiot acting like an idiot. Can I perform the exorcism? Give me an hour with this ding-dong, and I'll convince him that he's really Shirley Temple.

I have no doubt in my mind that there is no such thing whatsoever of demonic possession. I would love to someday see some type of proof to the contrary, but until they come out with that, I will continue to laugh at the mere concept of it.

I noticed in some of the articles about the Anneliese Michel exorcism, the fact that the family had no proof whatsoever of supernatural occurrences whatsoever, and the priest performed an exorcism anyway. The church specifically requires some type of supernatural evidence before approving an exorcism. What happened in Anneliese Michel's case? No supernatural strength, only spoke in languages she was KNOWN to have studied, no voices from "beyond", no nothing. Anneliese Michel died because her parents and her priest were retards. Nothing more, nothing less.

She was kinda cute too...shame :) I like those brunettes :)

I have no fear whatsoever of ghosts or demons. I am a Christian, but have my doubts as to the traditional belief of the presence of these manifestations. I think the more likely explanation to their presence is simply to say that our demons live within us. Maybe we're all possessed? :)

I watched a show on the Discovery Channel a while back about true exorcisms and thought it was more of a comedy show.

With all of this having been said tho...I did buy the DVD and am glad, because it's really entertaining :) I saw it in the theater, and will probably watch it a few more times before I get bored of it, because it's fun to pretend anyway :)

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*HAMMER*

It was mentioned two things that I thought I'd comment on. First of all, you said that the devil was powerful, and why would he need to possess?

Well...if I was a demon, and I wanted to scare people, I think I probably wouldn't introduce myself as "Rudy". See? Rudy the demon just doesn't scare people right? The fact that a possessed person claims to be possessed by "Rudy" just doesn't bring that umph you know? Now...listen to this: "I am Lucifer in the flesshhhhshshshhh!" See? You fear me now right? If there are demons, then I would assume that by process of elimination there are those demons that are weaker and just plain not that scary, so they would need to enhance a bit wouldn't they? Why not claim yourself to be the demon spirit of Hitler? Brings a little more punch that way :) Whether it's a demonlet that is trying to be a big boy, or a freaked out person pretending to be possessed, it just makes sense to play big :)

Another thing you mentioned was the languages thing. Any part of any language that this girl spoke was KNOWN to have been studied by her to some extent. There was no evidence of any languages that were not known.

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shawnwells

one thing i can say for sure is that I examined a section of audio supposedly being that of the exorcism of the real emily rose in the 70's, and i thoroughly examined the audio, from convulsing to resonating a's, a long list of tests, all customly reviewed and calculated...this sh** scared the hell out of me, it made my eyes water and hair stand up when doing these tests, i examined much more than that of what you can hear in the original recording, see, there is many gaps in audio, many gaps you can sometimes even renovate like an old house, i heard things like the breathing pattern of the man or woman that was holding the recording device in his/her hands or the one nearest recording the event, very very scary sh**, believe whichever but that is not falsified.

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ShaunZero

The demon may have been speaking english [if the priest was english] to communicate with the priest.

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dungslinger

one thing i can say for sure is that I examined a section of audio supposedly being that of the exorcism of the real emily rose in the 70's, and i thoroughly examined the audio, from convulsing to resonating a's, a long list of tests, all customly reviewed and calculated...this sh** scared the hell out of me, it made my eyes water and hair stand up when doing these tests, i examined much more than that of what you can hear in the original recording, see, there is many gaps in audio, many gaps you can sometimes even renovate like an old house, i heard things like the breathing pattern of the man or woman that was holding the recording device in his/her hands or the one nearest recording the event, very very scary sh**, believe whichever but that is not falsified.

Would you happen to have a way we can hear this recording?

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stuporstishisbrunette

Ok, personally I believe all the exorcism stories, or at least most of them until they are proven otherwise. I can see both sides of how a mental disorder could hurt someone in the same way HOWEVER, I cannot see how it can suddenly change someone w/o a real explination. I do believe they have the real tapes from the exorcism of Anneliese, BUT I doubt they'd be aloud to play them on the movie.... However, it was very convincing. Now, the only reason I believe in possession is b/c my best friend's uncle is. Now, he is not as extreme as most of the cases I hear, but he is pretty bad. For the most part, no one will notice anything different about him. HOWEVER, the minute you say the Lord's name, he goes into a rage much like Emily in the movie. Speaking in tongues.... I have no idea if he does that, but he does hurt himself and scream and throw things and yell "It burns!" Now u can choose to believe me or not, but that is all I know about it.

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christy the christian

I just rented and watched The Exorcism of Emily Rose and naturally, I just had to do a web search to see what part of the movie contained the "true" part of the story. That's how I found this forum.

I haven't been able to find the tapes or transcript of the tape. One site did have a link for the transcript of some or all of the tapes, but the link was broken. Go figure.

Even so, on one page, I found this:

Sometimes the demons identified themselves -- as Cain, Nero, Judas, Lucifer, Hitler and others -- and even answered the exorcists' questions, explaining what was wrong with the church or why they were in Hell. "People are stupid as pigs," spat Hitler. "They think it's all over after death. It goes on." Judas said Hitler was nothing but a "big mouth" and had "no real say" in Hell.

That did ring true to me, because demons are often quite amusing in their fussing among themselves. Some demons actually fancy themselves comedians. Notwithstanding, demon possession is no laughing matter, but those reported statements did ring true to me.

Someone here asked:

So i have a question about the movie, if a normal person has contact with other hypersensible person is there a chance the normal person to be possesed.

My reply to that is that I have never heard of a "hypersensible person". What I have always heard is that a demon must have a legal right to dwell within a body. Openings to demonic possession include use of a Ouiji board, as was the case with the boy who The Exorcist was based on, practicing witchcraft, pornography, learning all that philosophy used in karate/judo/jujitsu/etc., worshipping the devil, participating in seances, playing "bloody mary", practicing levitation (remember that "light as a feather" stuff you played as a kid, where everyone put two fingers under a kid who laid down?), transendental meditaion, generational curses, etc.

Demonic possession is real, the Bible tells us so in no uncertain terms, in several different accounts. And, like all criminals, a demon may break the law and enter into a body when it has no spiritual right to do so. They often lie about who they are and how many of them inhabit a body. No one should attempt to perform an exorcism without proper training, but any Christian can perform one, no big deal. Paul performs one on a slave girl whose master used her psychic powers as a source of personal income. He simply ordered it cast out. Other exorcisms require much prayer and fasting, but all can be done by any true Christian, just like faith healing, speaking in tongues, and all the miracles Jesus performed in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Why would a demon want to possess a person? Because, they have nothing better to do than spread mayhem upon the earth, that's why. They have no other past-time and it's their job to wreak havoc upon the inhabitants of the earth.

No exorcism can be successful if the possessed person does not want the demon to leave them.

I didn't think The Exorcism of Emily Rose was scary, I thought it was more analytical, but the part about 3 a.m. is true, for sure. It's common knowledge and you'll see it used in several movies, such as The Amnityville Horror (spelling may not be correct). In my web search, I didn't see any comparisons between the movie and what really happened. I guess we'll have to wait for someone to do it on History Vs. Hollywood, or some other TV show like that, although many of the reports I read said that she really did eat bugs & the demons would not let her eat. Nothing was said about anything taking place on Halloween, so I'm guessing that was just Hollywood hype, as everything I read said the exorcism went on for several weeks, if not days (my memory fails me), when in the movie, they only tried it once, on Halloween night, which I thought might be fake because everyone knows that the devil's power is stronger on that night. There are two other dates that it's stronger. One is April Fool's Day and I can't recall the other one.

I did see an exorcism a few years ago. The guy was possessed by some sort of sex spirit and as it turned out, he was the guy who sang that song, I wanna sex you up, from several years ago. His wife and two small children were present with him and before you go thinking it was a publicity stunt, no press was present.

I don't understand Catholic exorcisms at all. For one thing, it's practically impossible to get them to do one. For another thing, they don't believe in talking to the demon, but if you don't ask it what legal right it has to be there, you can't get the possessed person to renounce the sin to force it to leave, which makes getting it out much harder, which might explain why so many Catholic exorcisms we hear about take so darn long and are often unsussessful. They certainly bear zero resemblance to any Biblical exorcism. And, I don't understand why the Catholic religeon hides exorcism when if they didn't hide it, more people would come to Christ. Maybe they think that if they didn't hide exorcisms like shameful skeletons in the Catholic closet, more people would think they were possessed and more Catholic exorcism failures would result? I don't know. Makes no sense to me to hide that stuff when God certainly made no attempt to hide it in the Bible.

Christians can be possesed by demons, especially if they were present before the Christian got 'born again'. Being possed by a demon does not make you go to hell, but you will go there if you're not a Christian, so that's where the final result will lay. Which reminds me, I saw nothing in my brief research to imply that Anneleise was ever told by a godly spirit that it was her choice to stay possessed or die immediately, nor that she had any wish for her story to be told after she accepted her possession so that she could die a martyr. What she supposedly said before she died was that she told her mother that she was scared. Reports I read did also say that she refused medical treatment and that she spent 2 years in a mental hospital when the events first began to occur. One account says that the Catholic Church denied exorcism to her several times, but over time, as her symptoms worsened, they finally did grant permission for it. Reports also said no medical doctor was present, so I guess the doctor who attended the exorcism in the movie was a movie prop.

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CharrsKliathe

Then I got to thinking about it... One of the elements that must be met for a person to be recognized by the Catholic Church as being Demonically Possessed, is speaking in tounges. I think generally it means speaking in Latin, or some dead Babylonian language or something, but who's to say it can't be contemporary languages. Like me speaking Farsi or French outta no where.

I think one of the biggest things that would discredit Demonic Possession to me, would be, whats the point? What is to gain from possessing a person at all? If the Devil where all powerful and as all knowing as God, why waste time playing T-Ball if you have to power to be in the world series?

Usually if someone is speaking in tongues it means that they are speaking in languages that they don't actually know or ever learned. Kind of like you mentioned, if you all of a sudden started speaking in Farsi or French.

(I know you're agnostic, so bear with me)

And as far as the whole devil thing. Satan has limited power. He is not nearly as powerful as God. I don't believe that he is all-knowing (though I have not been able to find scripture to either back me up or discredit me), I do think, however, that he is quite intelligent. Possesion may very well be like you said, just to remind people he's there, or it could be for other reasons he might have...

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May you go with God's Protection

Peace, Love and Hope

~Charrs

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SweetJersey

>'christy the christian' date='Dec 29 2005, 12:46 AM' post='996833'

>Someone here asked:

>So i have a question about the movie, if a normal person has contact with other >hypersensible person is there a chance the normal person to be possesed.

>My reply to that is that I have never heard of a "hypersensible person". What I have >always heard is that a demon must have a legal right to dwell within a body. Openings to >demonic possession include use of a Ouiji board, as was the case with the boy who The >Exorcist was based on, practicing witchcraft, pornography, learning all that philosophy >used in karate/judo/jujitsu/etc., worshipping the devil, participating in seances, >playing "bloody mary", practicing levitation (remember that "light as a feather" stuff you >played as a kid, where everyone put two fingers under a kid who laid down?), >transendental meditaion, generational curses, etc.

First off, no. Just because a person has 'contact' with a hypersensitive doesn't mean they will become possessed or hypersensitive themselves. Hypersensitives are BORN that way.

Asking a spirit/demon to TAKE possession of you is openly inviting an entity to possess you.

And you'd have to be a big time martyr to actually do that- or pretty crazy... or really, really dumb. :o

A 'Hypersensitive' is exactly what the word implies. Hypersensitive. We are 'hypersensitive' to aspects of the spiritual realm. While it is true that everyone possesses some psychic ability and can 'train' themselves to become more in-tune with their psychic abilities to an extent- not something I would recommend to anyone... The hypersensitive person is more in-tune and sensitive to the spiritual and psychic aspects whereas most people are not. A hypersensitive can be more vulnerable to possession because we are more 'open' than the typical person. It's like having a back door that has no lock. I'm also a B.A. Christian and my understanding is this:

We are all sinners- I don't care how 'good' you try to be, how much you repent and ask forgiveness- we are in a constant state of perpetual sin. There is not one person on earth that can say they don't have at least one sinful thought a day! And I don't care how good of a Christian you are. And that is all the licence a spirit/demon needs to take possession- sin. Of course, just because you have a sinful thought does not imply you'll become possessed. All it implies is that sin is 'A' doorway. When a person is hypersensitive they are even MORE susceptible than the average person to possession. Fortunately, I believe that most hypersensitives realize that they ARE hypersensitive which helps. But if a person, especially younger people, who don't actually know what is going on and are confused with what they're experiencing because they don't understand about hypersensitivity, that's where the real vulnerability is. Also, when a person is experiencing a stressful/emotional period, such as a death of a loved one, a relocation, fear, sadness, depression, anxiety... these things also make a person more vulnerable to possession. So does mental illness- which includes but is not limited to the above references to depression and anxiety.

Yes, messing with anything to do with the occult is very dangerous and is an open invitation. I also believe that us hypersensitives, while in our teens and even into our 20's, we don't KNOW what's going on, just that we're different in some way and it's very confusing for us and I believe that during those years hypers tend to, well... experiment. Whether we admit to it or not. I know I did and I also know I witnessed some things that scared the nuts out of me. If I talk about these few incidence, or think about them for too long I still get freaked out. I messed with crystals, home made ouija boards, etc. and any time I was involved, the people I was involved doing 'whatever' with would always say that they'd never, ever seen or experienced anything so freaky and scarey. I had no idea back then WHY I seemed a magnet, nor did I realize what caused me to be so drawn to all that stuff. Later in life my aunt began talking to me about 'things' and it was only then that I began to have an idea. I say 'began' because even though my aunt KNEW and was telling me, I still thought it was a kind of joke. So it took quite a long time for me to accept the reality and only then did I actually start really learning just what kind of fire I had been playing with.

>Nothing was said about anything taking place on Halloween, so I'm guessing that was just >Hollywood hype, as everything I read said the exorcism went on for several weeks, if not >days (my memory fails me), when in the movie, they only tried it once, on Halloween >night, which I thought might be fake because everyone knows that the devil's power is >stronger on that night. There are two other dates that it's stronger. One is April Fool's >Day and I can't recall the other one.

The actual exorcism on Anneliese Michel (the bases of the Emily Rose movie) actually lasted I believe 10 months- or about that. Obviously Hollywood is going to squeeze everything down and compact it into a shorter time for added 'punch' so to say.

>I don't understand Catholic exorcisms at all. For one thing, it's practically impossible to >get them to do one. For another thing, they don't believe in talking to the demon, but if >you don't ask it what legal right it has to be there, you can't get the possessed person to >renounce the sin to force it to leave, which makes getting it out much harder, which >might explain why so many Catholic exorcisms we hear about take so darn long and are >often unsussessful. They certainly bear zero resemblance to any Biblical exorcism. And, >I don't understand why the Catholic religeon hides exorcism when if they didn't hide it, >more people would come to Christ. Maybe they think that if they didn't hide exorcisms >like shameful skeletons in the Catholic closet, more people would think they were >possessed and more Catholic exorcism failures would result? I don't know. Makes no >sense to me to hide that stuff when God certainly made no attempt to hide it in the Bible.

And not to be rude- because I certainly don't mean to be (and I was raised Catholic)- but not much of what Catholic's practice has any Biblical resemblance. Really. But I do still enjoy a good Catholic mass! :) I just do not believe in most of the Catholic ways because 'I' feel they take some things a bit too far. Catholic-ism to me is an attempt at combining religion and politics. Not saying that to be negative about the Catholic church, only that this is how 'I' feel personally.

I also heard a small- (very small) portion of the actual exorcism of Anneliese Michel and it was terrifying. And yes, it was in German not english- at least the part I heard. And after hearing that I have no doubt at all to the validity of her possession. The little bit I heard, well, it wasn't anything I've ever heard before. Yes, it was similar to Blatty's Exorcist, but crank it about 8 times more and you have the real thing. It was inhuman what I heard. And more chilling than the Exorcist. At least in my opinion. Just listening to that short bite of it- you just KNEW it wasn't a put on. You KNEW it was real. At least I did. Just the feelings it invoked -still invokes.... It was definitely the real deal, I have no doubts about it.

And I'm actually feeling a bit ill because I'm torn between wanting to hear more and not knowing if I could handle it even if I was able to. I'm also a bit sickened that I would want to hear more in any way, shape or form. Yet I have to be honest even if I am ashamed. Even knowing that I'm a hyper and I know that is contributing to the sick desire/need to hear more. It's scares the nuts out of me. And I don't know if it's because I'm a hyper or just sick human nature- but I tend to feel it's because I'm a hyper, and like when I was younger, I'm drawn to it because I hope to find answers to questions I'm not even sure of yet. I have no idea if anyone will even understand what I just said- sorry!

Anyhoo- that's just my 2 cents worth!

Take care and God Bless!

JD

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Carrie Anne

If you would like to hear a small clip of ONE of the 43 exorcisms of Anneliese Michel (AKA Emily Rose) , go here (You need Real Player to play it): http://www.br-online.de/cgi-bin/ravi.pl?v=...erg1976der_a.rm

Unless you understand German, you won't have a clue what the guy starts out saying, but soon after he gets done, you can hear the priest talking, and the most horrible sounds coming from that poor little girl. Clearly something was VERY wrong with her. Now I cannot say if she was possessed or not...what I CAN tell you is that the sound coming from her doesn't sound very human. She isn't speaking in any language at all, but making this low growling sound that turns into a scream.

I have heard many theories of how the vocal cords can make various sounds, and it still baffles me to hear this clip as to how it could possibly be coming from the girl they show on the website ( http://www.br-online.de/land-und-leute/art...nberg/index.xml ). If you would like to see the website in english, go here: http://world.altavista.com/ and close to the bottom you will see a place to enter a web address and select from what language to what language (German to English is what you want).

If you would like to read about what really happened to the little girl (of course you have to read several sites really and draw your own conclusions), here is a very detailed report of what was said regarding the girl and the history of what happened:

http://www.fotofetch.com/

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Carrie Anne

I just rented and watched The Exorcism of Emily Rose and naturally, I just had to do a web search to see what part of the movie contained the "true" part of the story. That's how I found this forum.

I haven't been able to find the tapes or transcript of the tape. One site did have a link for the transcript of some or all of the tapes, but the link was broken. Go figure.

I just wanted to elaborate on this a bit. It isn't like someone just says "ok, you can take over now". There is the constant oppression of the demon before the actual possession. Like the wearing away caused by erosion, making the person weak and unable to fight it off. This is why it is believed that weaker people are more prone to possession than the strong.

Also, keep in mind that those you think are strongest are often the most weak of all.

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Carrie Anne

Usually if someone is speaking in tongues it means that they are speaking in languages that they don't actually know or ever learned. Kind of like you mentioned, if you all of a sudden started speaking in Farsi or French.

(I know you're agnostic, so bear with me)

And as far as the whole devil thing. Satan has limited power. He is not nearly as powerful as God. I don't believe that he is all-knowing (though I have not been able to find scripture to either back me up or discredit me), I do think, however, that he is quite intelligent. Possesion may very well be like you said, just to remind people he's there, or it could be for other reasons he might have...

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May you go with God's Protection

Peace, Love and Hope

~Charrs

Regardless of what you think of Satan, you have to consider that he is old. Ancient in fact. Think about it...the older you are, the wiser you are. I personally believe that God is the only all knowing being, but the devil certainly must have learned much in his time in the ways of trickery and deceit.

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blkadr

The tapes featured a priest (or several) chanting and a woman screaming, that's all. It is very, very creepy, but not indicative of anything. It did set my 6th sense on fire and prevent me from sleeping though.....

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Imaginary Friend

If that is a legitimate recording, that is quite an sound. I can't say I've heard anything quite like it. Definitely not something to listen to in a dark room , right before bed! :wacko:

I wonder about the video technology of 1972. When this whole thing is alleged to have taken place. If a fraud, as some purport the tape to be, perhaps a video would show something amiss between the audio and the visual.

However , if this were in fact a possession, why wouldn't the church want it to be known?! And pull out all stops so as to record it in every medium. Audio/video. After all, what an advertisement for the necessity of the church, to show a young woman possessed by the very entity they are charged to save the world from!?

And since we're on the subject of video's of exorcism; *edit* Just realized I double posted a link to this.* :no:

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Someone back there said that a demon can possess you if you're a Christian. That's wrong. If you're a Christian, you're already possessed by the Spirit of Jehovah (the Holy Spirit). God does not share real estate with demons. The differences between the two kinds of possession are obvious - one is destructive and eliminates free will, the other is constructive and allows free will.

Someone else asked why a demon would want to possess a human being. Here is one theory, which I find convincing, but definitely cannot prove:

A lot of different ancient cultures have stories (including Jewish culture in the Torah/Old Testament) about supernatural or "alien" beings who mate with humans. We have those stories today with the "alien abduction" phenomena. The offspring of those matings were half-breeds: Part fallen angel and part human. Early documents describe them as "giants" and they are definitely NOT nice. Their fathers are fallen angels. They are so big that they eventually run out of things to eat, so they start eating human beings.

This is the real cause of the flood of Noah. Almost every ancient culture also has a story of a worldwide flood, which is a pretty odd co-incidence. God intended the human race to be just that - purely human - and the disasterous corruption of the fallen angels and their offspring was destroying the world. In the Torah, Noah is described as "perfect in his generations", which is a very odd phrase. I think it means that he didn't have any genetic heritage from the fallen angels, and that's why God chose him to survive the flood.

Also according to the Torah, Noah saved his three sons and their wives. I believe that one of those daughter-in-laws (a wife of his son) carried the genetic heritage of the fallen angels, because the history of the Middle East, plus a lot of other ancient cultures, includes giants after the worldwide flood.

Anyway, these half-breed giants were all drowned in the flood, but they have no spiritual destiny. They can't go to judgement because they're not human, and they can't leave the Earth because they're not angels. So they're "stuck", their spiritual half doesn't "move on" and their bodies are long gone.

I believe these are the demons that possess people. They long for a physical existance, for their old, destroyed bodies. When they take control fo a person, they do so for the same reason that you would want a lost arm replaced. You wouldn't cut off someone else's arm to replace your own - but you're not totally evil, either. They are, and they do.

This also explains all the mystic power of "Holy Water". There's nothing special about this water, demons hate ALL water. Later Jewish prophets (Old Testament) describe the demons as inhabiting "dry, desolate" places. They remember their drowning, how they lost their physical halves, and they hate water.

One of the very best techniques for excorcism is to put the possessed person in a life-preserver and sit them in the shallow end of a swimming pool or spa or something. Demons do not like water at all, and this definitely encourages them to leave.

I also believe, despite the scraps of stories we get about Annaliese Michel, that no demon is granted the power to kill, no matter what the possessed person did to invite that demon inside. They are tormentors, they are not allowed to be killers. This may not have been true before Christ's resurrection, but I believe it's true today.

Of course, the possessed person may be so overwhelmed or evil that they choose death while possessed. That's a different issue, and yes, there are evil people who very much enjoy being possessed by demons, and view it as a great priviledge. There's no point in doing exorcisms on them.

I don't know what happened to Annaliese, but I do know that there is no excuse for her death, possessed or just crazy.

As for the demons naming themselves as Nero, Hitler, etc., it's incredibly dangerous to listen to anything a demon says. No conversations. Yes, some demons are peons and smart-alecks and they will not trick you into doing something evil. But some are NOT peons and if they talk to you for three minutes they can convince you to kill everyone you love and as many strangers as possible, and you will feel GREAT about it. It's not supernatural, it's just the effect of arguing with a 5,000 year-old meta-genius who is pure evil.

Given that caveat, it's actually possible that many of the names which Annaliese' demons gave were accurate - there is a lot of historical and prophetic material to indicate that those "big names" were able to accomplish their catastrophic evil because they were possessed by demons who are very, very high in the chain of command.

I mean, you look at Hitler killing 6 million of Jehovah's chosen people in only 4 years - is it so hard to believe he was being driven by a demon? Likewise, look what Nero did to the first Christians. I'm not saying those names are correct, but it's possible.

The promise of Christ is that we are placed *above* the angels, fallen or othewise. We are given power over all of creation on a level with Christ himself. IF Annaliese was possessed by the same demon who was in Nero or Hitler, or by Satan himself, it doesn't matter. We are possessed by the Spirit of Jehovah, and He is the one who has power over all. The death and resurrection of Christ gave us all the power to be called "sons [daughters] of God", just as Jesus was. We're made of pure human flesh, unlike Jesus, so we can't be perfect in our bodies. But the Holy Spirit inside us is perfect, and that makes all the difference when confronting any kind of evil.

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Bluefinger

The movie trailer of Emily Rose has parts of this exorcism in it.....

Russian girl exorcism recording....

Becareful....not for th easily spooked!

I know, isn't that wicked? Its frickin creepy. Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. This is what comes to mind when I hear this.

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