i Believe race played a part in

[caffene]

thatvideosite.com/view/629.html

i also support kanye west with his expression on live tv, and agree with his opinion, he is correct.

if this will be deleted, please explain to me why.

[Mr Ed]

If it is deleted it might be because it isn't suitable or because there was already a clampdown on Hurricane Katrina threads.

Edited September 5, 2005 by Mr Ed

[Richdog]

thatvideosite.com/view/629.html

i also support kanye west with his expression on live tv, and agree with his opinion, he is correct.

if this will be deleted, please explain to me why.

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A) You can't even hyperlink properly.

B ) It's a racial thread that will likely escalate out of control very soon... i bet it ends up locked.

Edited September 5, 2005 by Richdog

[+joc]

I personally see no reason to make a big deal out of it. Those covering the news had been up for hours with no sleep and I don't see it as a racist comment.

I think the whole 'race' issue has been beat to death already. It had nothing to do with anything. All of these 'race' threads only resort to flaming anyway.

[caffene]

^^ well i think it exposes that unconcious racism is real, excuses, denial or what ever, race did have its hand in this dissaster thats obvious and this needs to be out in the open even more so that it can be addresed and not ignored.

[+joc]

well i think it exposes that unconcious racism is real, excuses, denial or what ever, race did have its hand in this dissaster thats obvious and this needs to be out in the open even more so that it can be addresed and not ignored.

There is no such thing as 'unconcious racism'. You are making race an issue...not anyone else...

...and as my grandmother was fond of saying...the guilty dog always barks first.

[__Kratos__]

If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing.

[Mr Ed]

There is such a thing as natural prejudices, but I highly doubt opinions of race has affected the way people acted in this incident.

[Erikl]

There is such a thing as natural prejudices, but I highly doubt opinions of race has affected the way people acted in this incident.

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Aye, natural prejudice probably exists even among people who consider themselves non-racist...

It's when people don't know people of other races personally, and so learn most of the things about them through streotypes.

Natural prejudice also played a major role in the holocaust in europe, where many who didn't even reaslise they are anti-semitic, deep down inside were heavily affected by centuries old tradition of anti-semitism in their country's religion.

On the other hand, I don't think Katrina wasn't about racism, not directly anyhow.

It is more about social injustice, and alot of mocking to nature's power.

However, past racism did play heavy parts in the results we see today - New Orleans was poor because in the past blacks suffered centuries long racism, which only recently in the last 3 decades they are starting to recover from, hence why many african-americans are still in the lower levels of the social and economical ladder.

The fact that New Orleans had a black majority is linked to the above fact, and so together, past racism caused the city to have a large population of poor people, mainly of african-american background.

Past racism also enabled the majority of survivals to be white - because like it or not, white people still are statistically richer than minority races and ethnicities in America.

On the other hand, what people seem to ignore, is that "only" 60% of the casualties and people left behind are "minorities" in a city that was majority black!

That means that 40% of the casualties and refugees who remain in the city are white - a huge part if you'll ask me, considering the fact that New Orleans had black majority.

[logicpolice]

I don’t think anyone could argue that the oppression imposed on black Americans in the past has left a mental scare on that culture. It is also understandable that this kind of thing is largely handed down from parent to child for many generations. Yes the rules have changed. You can no longer be held down in this country because of race and many blacks have risen to the challenge. But overcoming a mentality of being inferior or oppressed can only be achieved by the person who is afflicted by it. It is time to forget about blame and move on to recovery. In-spite of the white racist that still remain in this country….long live Bill Cosby!

[__Kratos__]

^ "white-racism" ...ANYBODY can be racist. Just not whites. People love to forget that.

[logicpolice]

^ "white-racism" ...ANYBODY can be racist. Just not whites. People love to forget that.

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No one has forgotten -maybe I should have said"in-spite of the racism that still remains"

[Kismit]

So caffeen, are you saying it's Whitee's fault?

I can't see why we wouldn't want to keep a thread like this one going...

[Nxt2Hvn]

Hey.. aren't you guys tired of beating that dead horse???

[lowbro]

I agree with Erikl.

On the other hand, I don't think Katrina wasn't about racism, not directly anyhow.

It is more about social injustice, and alot of mocking to nature's power.

However, past racism did play heavy parts in the results we see today - New Orleans was poor because in the past blacks suffered centuries long racism, which only recently in the last 3 decades they are starting to recover from, hence why many african-americans are still in the lower levels of the social and economical ladder.

The fact that New Orleans had a black majority is linked to the above fact, and so together, past racism caused the city to have a large population of poor people, mainly of african-american background.

Past racism also enabled the majority of survivals to be white - because like it or not, white people still are statistically richer than minority races and ethnicities in America.

So very true coz it happens in alot of countries.

South Africa is a typical example. The whites took the wealth of the country during the apartied, therfore leaving the majority of blacks with no wealth and no scope for a better future coz they wern't any black schools.

This happened along long time ago, but still ripples of it can go along way and there is still ALOT of people in poverty and i would say the majority would be black.

BOTTOM LINE, no matter the race, HUMANS need help in these times.

But i think the problem is more than "skin" deep now, coz there is gangs gettin involved and i think the flood problem is put on hold.

I dont blame the military being scared...

[Kismit]

Low Bro, have you seen what is going on in Zimbabwe at the moment?

Racism has become less of an issue and is being used more as an excuse.

[LarryOldtimer]

Katrina was just a really big natural disaster, the biggest to ever strike the US. What I see is people of all races working together to aid people in trouble regardless of what race they are. Anyone seeing different has blinders on their eyes!

[TraJikMaJik]

Agreed, people are so ignorant to make this into a race thing.

First of all, there is only 3 reasons why someone would have stayed behind.

1: They are too poor, and can not evacuate, so they stay in N.Orleans.

2:They said hey, With this hurricane, everyone is going to be out of the city!! This gives us a chance to be the scum of the human nature, and we can loot things while everyone is gone..

3:They are stupid, and decided they wanted to ride out a catagory 5 hurricane, that luckily turned into a catagory 4 hurricane before it hit landfall.

Im racist.. Im racist against white trash, black trash, mexican trash, asian trash, and so on. We all have our black sheep in our race, that gives us all a terrible name. Just so happens that alot of the best of the best trash stayed behind in New Orleans. No im not saying everyone that stayed is trash, so dont try to turn that around on me, which lots of people love to do here. What im saying is that what these criminals are doing, hindered the actual rescue process. So what the scandalous criminals did probably killed thousands of people. Shooting at helicopters, no matter what CNN says, I guarantee you they stopped rescuing that moment, and went more visual/ food aid.

I have no idea what kanye west said, but im sure it had something to do with kill whitey propoganda, and also Rev. Jessie Jackson decided to come out of the woodwork cause that parasite seen that there was something he could benifit off of exploiting.. Even if it causes a race war, hey his name looks good..

Now as far as the response.. IT WAS PATHETIC.. I, and probably any other member of the UM forums could have organized a better response time then that to get relief to the people. But hey, Bush came off of his vacation 2 days after the hurricane hit, guess it took our president 2 days to realize that this was something that would affect peoples outlook on him.. As Rick James would say, Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

I have edited your post, i realise that this is a highly emotive subject, but swearing is still against forum rules.

Edited September 6, 2005 by Kismit

[Kismit]

Remeber Burnside's help the victims thread is still available in the General discussions section.