Kinetic Energy or Paranormal Evidence?

[dsmith1405]

I would be grateful for comments or opinions on the piece of footage on the link below.

Scottish Paranormal Investigations (S.P.I) conducted an investigation of Inverary Jail in Scotland a few weeks ago and we had a comm circle/board at the end of the evening.On 3 seperate occasions the planchet moved on its own as we insisted on the members NOT touching the board to rule out conscious or sub conscious movement by the members.

As you can see the 3 people participating have their fingers hovering ABOVE the board yet you can clearly see it move.

I must stress we were in a secure environment with no draughts.All members were NOT touching the board so i am wondering if this is evidence of Kinetic energy or Paranormal??

You decide.

David

SPI

http://media.putfile.com/Board-movement

[mariposa26]

Thank you for posting the link. Very interesting. I have a few comments/questions.

1. This video could easily be hoaxed. Not saying you are, just pointing out that the responses you receive on this site will likely be from people who have seen many many hoaxed videos so that is the first thing we look for.

2. If it isn't a hoax, I would ask about the integrity of those using the board. Are they people you trust are not trying to pull one over on you?

3. Assuming they are not those sort of people, I believe it would be evidence of the paranormal. However, all things that move have kinetic energy. Kinetic energy can be caused by vibrations. That said, if paranormal events caused the movement of the object because of vibrations, the paranormal then led to the kinetic energy. You follow that?

Most of us are a skeptic first and then a believer. If you got yourself some authentic footage there then it's extremely interesting and exiting for those interested in the paranormal.

[dsmith1405]

No problem with the comments or the nature of them as that is the reason i posted this piece of footage.

Point 1. i can categorically state this is not a hoax and i have the raw footage if anyone wanted to analyse it in more detail.

Point 2. The integrity of the people involved is beyond reproach and i say that without the slightest doubt in my head as i was the one observing and filming to make sure no one influenced the movement deliberately.Ther are 6 members in our team and we have been together nearly 4 years now and i trust them implicitly.

Point 3. The kinetic movement was merely one theory as well as paranormal.The other could be kinesis and the power to move objects purely by our minds which cannot be discounted as well before we rush to call it Paranormal.

I hope that explanation would clear up a few points.

If you want to see further examples of the group at work our web address is

www.spi-web.co.uk

Best Regards

David

[Lonecat]

Greetings dsmith1405,

Personally I would say that this very brief video is INTERESTING in any sense of the word. Very well, we have established as far as can be expected that there is no hoax involved. The fingers of the the participants admittedly are VERY close to the planchette though, I think, not actually touching it. We can see the nervous movement backwards and forwards of the different sets of fingers which I believe would make it highly unlikely that one individual could cause the object to move in any set direction. Assuming that all this is truly (forgive the pun) "above board", I would say that the observed effect is similar to that seen when one is using the pendulum, in which the unconscious part of the brain is actually tapping some energy which is not yet fully understood and the resulting output moves the planchette for a very brief moment. While it lasts, the movement seems to be very assertive. That is all I can say for the moment. I should dearly like to be present at such an experiment. I really feel that if some people cannot accept this tiny piece of evidence as being significant at the very least, they should give up trying to de-bunk everything and instead take a lively and objective interest in what might lie behind these phenomena. When oh when are we going to be able to see a full 120 minute in-depth documentary on this subject? Thanks for the posting. Lonecat

[mariposa26]

More questions...

Can you tell us a bit more about that evening?

How many people present?

Were there any other events that could have been considered paranormal?

What do the participants think happened?

Were any photos taken or any other video? The tape is quite short. Was it edited just to show the interesting part or is there more footage which might be helpful?

[dsmith1405]

Hi lonecat and thanks for the comments.I can assure everyone that this footage was posted purely to gauge what could have made the object move.I know for a fact that no one touched it as i was watching them intently as i filmed it.I also have 2 other pieces of footage which show similar movements but were taken from above.After getting the first 2 i changed angles to try and make sure the viewer can see we have taken steps to try and show that we are not manipulating the footage..

In answer to Mariposa26 i can tell you that we conducted a full investigation in to Inverary Jail in Scotland and the 6 original core members of SPI were present.No casual members or guests except for our guide who did NOT participate in any experiments.The 6 members i trust implicitly and i would not have posted this footage if even the tiniest doubt existed in my mind that anyone may have tampered with the planchet deliberately.

As for other incidents that can be classed as Paranormal i would say no purely because we heard doors bang and the odd noise etc but nothing that may not have been natural.We have 1 or 2 EVP's at such low frequency that intrigue us but nothing more.Mind you we still have some more footage to analyse.

As for the group no one can say for certain they know the cause of the movement.All i do know is that all 6 of us witnessed it moving first time round and the 2nd and finally on the clip you have viewed.The piece i posted was simply cut and pasted on to the web.The full video is still in DV format for analysis by any one who wishes to view it in its entirety

[mariposa26]

It is fascinating video. Obviously no one can tell you for sure what happened but it's always neat when we see a video that we can't explain

Assuming for a moment that you are dealing with something paranormal (i.e. Ghosts), my personal feeling is that they don't just present themselves to anyone. In other words, in order for a spirit to make itself known in any way, there must be someone present who is like a medium. I don't mean that person can talk to the dead. Think of it like a conductor of electricity. This person is your lightning rod. Somebody in your group may have that gift and be unaware of it. Do any of them claim to have such a gift?

Are there any return trips in the works? Perhaps you could learn more if you revisted the site.

BTW, are you aware the working with Quija boards is extremely dangerous? You let things out that you might not want following you around. Since you were using it in an abandoned building, it's arguably safer than doing it in your home but I would still use caution.

[dsmith1405]

Our main controlling medium was in charge of the communication baord.Not strictly a Ouija board but more a means of communication just like a comm circle.She is very knowledgeable about these things and always always invokes protection before any communication vigil and always closes it down properly as well.One thing in our favour is that our average age is in our late 30's to early 40's so we have no kids larking around if you know what i mean.Of the 3 people in the video 1 of them has been this conduit that you speak of and he has had a few unnerving incidents in the group and we were already aware that he may be the conductor/catalyst you speak of.

The jail we investigated will (if allowed) be given a 2nd investigation as we do not draw final conclusions on any property until we visit it at least twice (hopefully more again if allowed).

The footage is interesting but no way conclusive proof of anyhting paranormal or otherwise.I was curious to see if any other people or groups had caught similar footage and had come up with a plausable explanation that's all.However thanks for your comments again and it's great to get other peoples thoughts to see if people agree or disagree with what we are doing etc.

Speak to you again hopefully

David

SPI

[broken_inside]

Interesting =/

[The Silver Thong]

this is not proof, someone could have poked it from behind with a pencil, or what I think it is probably a magnet under the board/table. Need a better video where you can't hide someone under a table.

[jonb]

much more intreguing than when the fingers are on a glass and it moves (hmm i wonder why)

[dsmith1405]

If you read my post carefully you will see that i did not put this forward as proof.I merely wanted opinions on what could have made the board move that's all.However the mention of magnets is possible but rather ridiculous for me to post this on the net to be caught out so easily if we were up to no good on our investigations.Wouldn't do me the group or investigators in general any good by producing fake proof.However it is an explanation which is what i asked for but it's wrong.

[dsmith1405]

much more intreguing than when the fingers are on a glass and it moves (hmm i wonder why)

Hence the reason we tried it with NO contact to see if it would still move and it did 3 times

[Tia]

Were you communicating with an entity at the time? ( As in was something already replying while the fingers were on the planchette)

Edited October 1, 2005 by Tia

[jonb]

i think youve gotten somthing great here, on film too. the thing with not actually being there, or knowing who everyone is personally on the tape is that its easily succeptable to scepticism, but i get the impression you wouldnt bother to do anything dodgy.

so nice capture!

[dsmith1405]

Couldn't agree more.I can understand the scepticism and i am not going to ignore it or run away from it.That was the whole point of posting it to see if someone has had similar footage or an experience and if so what conclusions they came to.

I and the group would never post anything we knew to be fake.What is the point? The footage may not reveal anything Paranormal and there may be a simple explanation for it but at this moment in time we don't have an answer hence the reason i hought i would post it and ask for some help.

In relation to communicating with an entity/spirit i was not aware of any connection being made at that time although our 2 mediums were picking up on general images and people rather than 1 specific spirit.

I hope that helps clear up a few points raised.

On the same theme we have a piece of footage which in my opinion is more spectacular but we are having problems capturing it on to our PC/Laptops as it was caught on analogue and so far our conversion software can only handle digital or Mini DV.Once we have rectified this problem i can promise you something which has baffled us and many other more expereinced people in this field.

Talk to you soon

David

SPI

[dsmith1405]

This footage is being transferred next week by a specialist company in to DVD format.Once we are in posession of it i will upload it for your comments.Very strange pulsating light show which moves across a room directly at the time our medium sees a child running.This was seen by the naked eye then filmed which is even better.

[pallidin]

Very interesting, though I concurr that the original footage described does lend itself wide open to debate.

Looking forward to your upcoming release.

[The_Lan]

I've watched that video about 9 times. It took 4 times to realize it as a board, 6 times to realize it moved, and 9 times to realize that it looks like one of them pushed it. You gotta remember there are magicians out there that get paid on the game of illusion. Oh and I never understood the two people requirement for these things, I get better results by myself. Course, the planchette is broken now and that past time is gone. I've seen and experienced bigger and better things, such as a planchette flipping onto it's side. (No hands at all were even near it. )

[moe eubleck]

Wow, they can move something that weighs a few grams like...a half a centimeter.

pshh... keep practicing.

[dsmith1405]

Wow, they can move something that weighs a few grams like...a half a centimeter.

pshh... keep practicing.

And you at sarcasm cause you've got a lot of practicing to do to become funny!!!!!!!!

[dsmith1405]

I've watched that video about 9 times. It took 4 times to realize it as a board, 6 times to realize it moved, and 9 times to realize that it looks like one of them pushed it. You gotta remember there are magicians out there that get paid on the game of illusion. Oh and I never understood the two people requirement for these things, I get better results by myself. Course, the planchette is broken now and that past time is gone. I've seen and experienced bigger and better things, such as a planchette flipping onto it's side. (No hands at all were even near it. )

Not in this game to be the next David Copperfield just posting what i thought was an interesting piece of footage which i am not claiming as Paranormal or evidence of a "ghost".The board moved on 3 seperate occasions and this was the most obvious piece of footage.However it just goes to show you that if someone ever does get the most startling piece of "evidence" on camera it will still be debunked as magic no matter how genuine and convincing it is?????????????

[Anakim]

Well im a believer in TK but i dont know about that video clip. If u notice, above the hand on the right there's a shadow of what looks like a hand or arm. The shadow moves just as the object does, leading me to think that something was done, off screen, to move the object rather than the use of TK

[dsmith1405]

only 3 people took part and again i can categorically state on my daughters life no trickery was used.We merely caught something unusual and i posted it to see if anyone else had encountered something similar.If they had then it was to see what people thought could have made the board move because i can assure you it was none of the team members as i took the footage and made sure no one moved it directly or indirectly.

The one true fact i do know is the board moved without our help that i can state.

David

[Eternal Light]

Not in this game to be the next David Copperfield just posting what i thought was an interesting piece of footage which i am not claiming as Paranormal or evidence of a "ghost".The board moved on 3 seperate occasions and this was the most obvious piece of footage.However it just goes to show you that if someone ever does get the most startling piece of "evidence" on camera it will still be debunked as magic no matter how genuine and convincing it is?????????????

But dsmith1405, be reasonable...you asked for opinions and comments; and to be fair, not everyone will see this footage as 'the most startling piece of evidence!'

I am extremely open minded about these topics, but even I counted the middle finger of the person on the right of the video touch the disc..admittedly very very lightly, eleven times! I actually only saw it move once, at the end, when the pressure of the finger seemed more intense!

You cannot seriously expect people to take this at face value; the video is so condensed to the disc and hands, nothing else in the room can be seen! You are going to get adverse opinions on this, but it does'nt mean that the writer is a skeptic!

I sometimes wonder who are the real skeptics and debunkers; you yourself have just debunked someone simply because their opinion did not agree with yours.

Edited October 6, 2005 by Lauren