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What has Bush done to make the world better?


Dowdy

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All i hear is negative comments about Bush and the pro-bush supporters just defend his actions. I haven't really heard and convincing facts as to how is Bush making this world better.

Terrorism is on the rise.

Non violent criminals are being tortured.

Thousands of civilians in Iraq have died.

Hundreds of allied soldiers have died.

There is no freedom in Iraq.

There is no democracy in Iraq.

There is no WMD in Iraq.

These are just problems outside the USA. I'm not worried about the USA, i want to know how is Bush making the WORLD better. And don't bother defending what i just wrote, it'll just prove my point.

If i sound ignorant or been brainwashed by the media because all i know about Bush is bad things, then please enlighten me....

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The War in Iraq- No more mad dicator.

(Therefore no more ethnic cleansing and mass murder)

Setting up of a democratic government in an area of the middle east where no one thought it could happen.

My mother talks to many, many, many Iraqi students at a nearby university as she counsells them. She says nearly all of them praise the war on Iraq because they believe the situation is better now than it was.

Yes, it could have gone better, many civilians have died, but now the future of Iraq has a better chance of being democratic.

I am not typing this for an argument and I don't want to be part of a thread that is just a place for bashing anyone who supported the war.

(Edit for spelling)

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of course terrorism was going to be on the rise lol

jesus how stupid are people

There is no freedom in Iraq.

There is no democracy in Iraq.

right, voting? i guess that never happened

no freedom in Iraq? how so? please qualify this statment

ok what has Bush done?

Removed Saddam from power

Removed the Taliban from power

Helping set up democratic governments in both of these countries

Ended Libya's WMD programs

Brought North Korea back to nuclear talks after Clinton screwed it up

Got north korea to say it was going to stop its nuclear weapons programs and allow inspectors into the country (whilst this may end up being another empty promise from the North Koreans, its very different rhetoric from a country that has been trying to appear all powerful)

Helped push unprecedented Israeli cooperation in trying to attain peace in the region (Gaza pullout?)

Indirectly aided in promoting democracy in Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia (limited elections, but its a start in a region which knows little)

Had the balls to take the fight to islamic jihadists by attempting to remove their support systems, infrastructure etc

Aided in ending the civil war in Liberia

Helped expose widespread curruption in the UN

Helped expose a global nuclear weapons black market

Convinced middle eastern allies to stop tolerating Islamofacism (notably Pakistan and Saudi Arabia)

thats off the top of my head

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of course terrorism was going to be on the rise lol

I meant since we invaded Iraq

no freedom in Iraq? how so? please qualify this statment

Well, the country is more in a military rule and in fear than it is in freedom

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I meant since we invaded Iraq

yes i know? and?

noone said acts of terrorism were going to go down lol if you think the war in Iraq was supposed to lower terrorism straight away you need your head checked. Not even Bush has stated anything daft like that.

Well, the country is more in a military rule and in fear than it is in freedom

of course, because as we all know, under Saddam it was better >.>

aside from the restrictions that come from being in a state of war against an unpopular insurgency, i would say they are little more free than they were under saddam.

But of course, thanks for responding to my nice list of things Bush has done that have benefitted the world.

Though i imagine the response will be somewhat similar to that seen in Life of Brian, "WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS DONE FOR US....LATELY?!"

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yes i know? and?

noone said acts of terrorism were going to go down lol if you think the war in Iraq was supposed to lower terrorism straight away you need your head checked. Not even Bush has stated anything daft like that.

of course, because as we all know, under Saddam it was better >.>

aside from the restrictions that come from being in a state of war against an unpopular insurgency, i would say they are little more free than they were under saddam.

But of course, thanks for responding to my nice list of things Bush has done that have benefitted the world.

Though i imagine the response will be somewhat similar to that seen in Life of Brian, "WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS DONE FOR US....LATELY?!"

That quote is a perfect example. I take my metaphorical hat off to you.

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Thank you Bathroy and Mr. Ed. It's nice to see some people who have the intelligence to draft their own thoughts, rather than imitate the media.

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of course terrorism was going to be on the rise lol

jesus how stupid are people

right, voting? i guess that never happened

no freedom in Iraq? how so? please qualify this statment

ok what has Bush done?

Removed Saddam from power

I agree, its a good thing.

Removed the Taliban from power

Again, the same thing that above.

Helping set up democratic governments in both of these countries

Well, this is an intersteting point. Democracy were formed in both countries, but the initials funcionaries were hand ipcket by the USA, and in some cases, they were of doubfull ethic stance. Now, altought there are elections in both countries, some "democratic" vices like demagogism and havey political presurre has begun to appear, has like the proscription of groups that the USA didnt like. At a resume...they are democracies, while it benefit the USA.

Ended Libya's WMD programs

Again, a very good thing.

Brought North Korea back to nuclear talks after Clinton screwed it up

NK will always whine and go and retreat from nuclear talks while it benefit their leaders. Be whit Clinton or Bush.

Got north korea to say it was going to stop its nuclear weapons programs and allow inspectors into the country (whilst this may end up being another empty promise from the North Koreans, its very different rhetoric from a country that has been trying to appear all powerful)

Read above.

Helped push unprecedented Israeli cooperation in trying to attain peace in the region (Gaza pullout?)

Also a good thing, altough i think that International presurre did it part.

Indirectly aided in promoting democracy in Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia (limited elections, but its a start in a region which knows little)

Plase, add more info in this.

Had the balls to take the fight to islamic jihadists by attempting to remove their support systems, infrastructure etc

And do nothing. The "Islamofacist" are still strong, has it infrastructure and every day more recruits.

Aided in ending the civil war in Liberia

PLase, more info about this.

Helped expose widespread curruption in the UN

Has any organization, corruption is always a danger. Even the USA gov had their share of corruption scandals.

Helped expose a global nuclear weapons black market

That almost all the inteligence agencies around the world had notice some few years ago. Even the SIDE had notice it, and they arent soo good.

Convinced middle eastern allies to stop tolerating Islamofacism (notably Pakistan and Saudi Arabia).

Both countries fight the terrorist organization by their own plans. SA to mantain their grip on the power in SA, and Pakistan to suport the military dictatorship.

thats off the top of my head

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right, voting? i guess that never happened

Actually if I recall correctly there were elections before the invasion of Iraq....it was a few years ago...People were allowed to vote whether they supported Saddam or not, and surpisingly he received 100% support from the citizens of Iraq.

See...there was democracy in Iraq before we even got there... :D

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^lol good point there Fluffy! I wonder why the they all said they supported him........it wouldn`t have anything to do with valuing their lives could it?! lol!

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But of course, thanks for responding to my nice list of things Bush has done that have benefitted the world.

I only responded to those comments because you misunderstood my comments. Apart from that i just want to HEAR what the Bush supporters have to say

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Here's a recent good thing Bush has done:

U.S. Sends Quake Recovery Aid to Pakistan

I am curious, Dowdy... why would an Australian care about what the US spends in Iraq? (referring to your sig)

now try and get him to be nicer and get rid of this gay free trade agreement so we dont get thrown around anymore

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The War in Iraq- No more mad dicator.

(Therefore no more ethnic cleansing and mass murder)

[/b] No, just the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians ("We don't take body counts") or more . . . . No more mad dictator? Of course there is -- China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, six African nations, etc. Why Iraq? Why Hussein?

Setting up of a democratic government in an area of the middle east where no one thought it could happen.

It hasn't happened. The government of Iraq is no more democratic than the "democratic" government established in Afghanistan. What's more, there are clear indications that it will not happen.

My mother talks to many, many, many Iraqi students at a nearby university as she counsells them. She says nearly all of them praise the war on Iraq because they believe the situation is better now than it was.

It would really be a smart thing to criticize a nation while you are in it, now wouldn't it. What's more, these students traveling and studying in the U.S. most likely represent the elite who sent their kids away to escape the terror of Bush's war. Their opinion can hardly reflect the common opinion of the average Iraqui citizen.

Yes, it could have gone better, many civilians have died, but now the future of Iraq has a better chance of being democratic.

How? How many appointed or elected officials have been killed by the Iraqui defenders? You see, I refuse to call them terrorists while they fight to defend their own nation from a foreign invader. This process will continue until no rational person will want to be a political figure in Iraq.

I am not typing this for an argument and I don't want to be part of a thread that is just a place for bashing anyone who supported the war.

I am not bashing those who support the war. I bash the war itself and those who masterminded it in opposition to world opinion and the best interests of the United States. These, of course, are my opinions but they are founded on many years of travel that have included Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.

(Edit for spelling)

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The War in Iraq- No more mad dicator.

(Therefore no more ethnic cleansing and mass murder)

No, just the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians ("We don't take body counts") or more . . . . No more mad dictator? Of course there is -- China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, six African nations, etc. Why Iraq? Why Hussein?

Obviously I meant no more mad dictator in Iraq, if you didn't see that I am quite shocked.

Yes, innocent civilians are dying. However at least they aren't being killed be a mad dictator through torture etc. At least the coalition forces have good intentions.

Don't forget that many of the civilians are killed by insurgents and suicide bombers.

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To answer the topics title thread: It's not Bush's job to make the world better, it's his job to lead America. Would you all rather we did nothing about the terrorsit attacks or potential threats from iraq? Just sit around and wait till it happens again? No you dont. We neutralized and cripple the infrastructure of al queda so their are now only in cells, we toppled a insane dictator and are now spreading freedom into the mideast. Yea bush has some faults and was wrong about some things, But hey not everyones perfect. Being president of the U.S is hard. Your constantly being analzyed and judged by everyone. If he cut a fart the wrong way you bet your ass its in the liberal papers and bush bashers all over it.

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Do Bush Supporters still really exist? Oh, god.

Terrisom will always exist no matter what! It will never end.

Terrisom is in every country not just the middle East. I wish Bush would leave

the country the way it was and they way they were used to living as a Country and stop molding it to be the U.S.! I love it when pro-bushers say Bush has got a backbone, last time I checked being a Cheerleader in School ment you were a big *****! ....Religion & Politics always a crazy topic that can never end....... :lol: Love reading this stuff :tu:

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Do Bush Supporters still really exist? Oh, god.

Terrisom will always exist no matter what! It will never end.

Terrisom is in every country not just the middle East. I wish Bush would leave

the country the way it was and they way they were used to living as a Country and stop molding it to be the U.S.! I love it when pro-bushers say Bush has got a backbone, last time I checked being a Cheerleader in School ment you were a big *****! ....Religion & Politics always a crazy topic that can never end....... :lol: Love reading this stuff :tu:

Yes, Bush supporters still exist. He isn't the best, but he is a hell of alot better than any of the weak willed democrats.

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Yes, Bush supporters still exist. He isn't the best, but he is a hell of alot better than any of the weak willed democrats.

UH RAH to that!

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He has managed to unify people that hate him. Terrorists, socialists, atheists can all come together as one and criticize. Gave them all a common enemy. (joke. I didn't vote for him, I voted for Alan Keyes.)

What has he really done to make the World better? Does refraining from nuking it into oblivion count? How about making people laugh? oo I know... he got Bolton into the UN, that's gotta make the world a better place! Some reason I keep thinking about Cuba...

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To answer the topics title thread: It's not Bush's job to make the world better, it's his job to lead America. Would you all rather we did nothing about the terrorsit attacks or potential threats from iraq? Just sit around and wait till it happens again? No you dont. We neutralized and cripple the infrastructure of al queda so their are now only in cells, we toppled a insane dictator and are now spreading freedom into the mideast. Yea bush has some faults and was wrong about some things, But hey not everyones perfect. Being president of the U.S is hard. Your constantly being analzyed and judged by everyone. If he cut a fart the wrong way you bet your ass its in the liberal papers and bush bashers all over it.

Very well said.

However..

Although he could have done worse, and there are definitely worse people out there, I still don't think he is a very fit president. Though, he hasn't gotten us killed yet, and he has obviously done what he thought to be right while in office, so I shouldn't complain.

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of course terrorism was going to be on the rise lol

jesus how stupid are people

right, voting? i guess that never happened

no freedom in Iraq? how so? please qualify this statment

ok what has Bush done?

Removed Saddam from power

Removed the Taliban from power

Helping set up democratic governments in both of these countries

Ended Libya's WMD programs

Brought North Korea back to nuclear talks after Clinton screwed it up

Got north korea to say it was going to stop its nuclear weapons programs and allow inspectors into the country (whilst this may end up being another empty promise from the North Koreans, its very different rhetoric from a country that has been trying to appear all powerful)

Helped push unprecedented Israeli cooperation in trying to attain peace in the region (Gaza pullout?)

Indirectly aided in promoting democracy in Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia (limited elections, but its a start in a region which knows little)

Had the balls to take the fight to islamic jihadists by attempting to remove their support systems, infrastructure etc

Aided in ending the civil war in Liberia

Helped expose widespread curruption in the UN

Helped expose a global nuclear weapons black market

Convinced middle eastern allies to stop tolerating Islamofacism (notably Pakistan and Saudi Arabia)

thats off the top of my head

there is a curfew in Iraq. they are forced to cary ID cards. there are many check points where you will be searched. the list goes on and on, but you call Iraq free? they may be free from sadam's rule, but are they or will they ever be free from USA rule, more than likely no. as for elections...that is a joke. democracy is one of the worst forms of government as all it is is mob rule. a country like iraq will not be able to function properly and will break out into a civil war...they are on the brink of one now. yes, there were elections durring sadam's regime. sadam was not elected though.

the taliban still rules most of Afghanistan. the president there is one that we pretty much appointed because of his strong support for allowing natural gas pipe lines to be run through the country into north india. well that and the fact that he is a puppet to the USA.

support for terrorists in the middle east has risen sharply because of bush's international policies.

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To answer the topics title thread: It's not Bush's job to make the world better, it's his job to lead America. Would you all rather we did nothing about the terrorsit attacks or potential threats from iraq? Just sit around and wait till it happens again? No you dont. We neutralized and cripple the infrastructure of al queda so their are now only in cells, we toppled a insane dictator and are now spreading freedom into the mideast. Yea bush has some faults and was wrong about some things, But hey not everyones perfect. Being president of the U.S is hard. Your constantly being analzyed and judged by everyone. If he cut a fart the wrong way you bet your ass its in the liberal papers and bush bashers all over it.

I agree Quantems statement. Bush isnt the best president we have had, but he is far from the worst imho.

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^^^it doesn't matter if he isn't the worst president we have ever had. the point is he's bad. and anyway it is all an opinion on who was the worst president to date. i think lincoln was one or the worst. wilson and rosevelt are up there with him.

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