[Merged] The Bosnian Pyramid Thread

[gre]

Other interpretations

According to one source, on May 8, 2006, members of the Geological team investigating Visočica on behalf of the Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation held a press conference in Tuzla to present the results of their research. The academics, from the Faculty of Mining and Geology at the University of Tuzla and led by Professor Dr. Sejfudin Vrabac, concluded that the hill is a natural geological formation, made of classic sediments of layered composition and varying thickness, and that its shape is a consequence of endodynamical and egsodynamical processes in post-Miocene era.

According to Professor Vrabac, who specializes in paleogeology, there are dozens of like morphological formations in the Sarajevo-Zenica mining basin alone. The Geological team report on Visocica, based on the data collected in six drill holes at 3 to 17 metre depths, is supported by the Research and Teaching Council of the Faculty of Mining and Geology, as well as the Association of Geologists of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[9]

This is simple to belive profesour Vrabac. He can show to us some more natural structure like this and I will belive him.

Of course it is not posible.

[Essan]

gre - those photos are brilliant far better than any I've seen on the official website! Thanks for sharing them with us.

(Unfortunately they don't change my opinion that they're just natural hills on which Roman period and Medieval buildings have been built but I can see why many people would be persuaded that the hills themselves are manmade )

[gre]

gre - those photos are brilliant far better than any I've seen on the official website! Thanks for sharing them with us.

(Unfortunately they don't change my opinion that they're just natural hills on which Roman period and Medieval buildings have been built but I can see why many people would be persuaded that the hills themselves are manmade )

Ok, some people have opinion that is unchangeable whatever happend

If this is roman structure, than it is biger than Coloseum in Rome. is it normal? And if this is roman raod, just explain us who made roads that follow uphill angle of 53 degrees?

My opinion is this is build a lot before 12 000 years, and this is manmade structure. For now sceptic claim this is work of nature, they refuse even discusiion about roman period. Interesting!

Edited June 28, 2006 by gre

[Pax Unum]

gre - those photos are brilliant far better than any I've seen on the official website! Thanks for sharing them with us.

(Unfortunately they don't change my opinion that they're just natural hills on which Roman period and Medieval buildings have been built but I can see why many people would be persuaded that the hills themselves are manmade )

is it my imagination, or does the surface pattern cross from one 'paving stone' to the next? just wondering...

[Essan]

is it my imagination, or does the surface pattern cross from one 'paving stone' to the next? just wondering...

Yes, it does - it's what is known as ripple marks and shows it to be natural rock strata, probably a mudstone.

On a seperate issue, much has been made of the presence of Egyptian geologist Barakat at the dig, and the fact that he was supposedly sent their by none other than Zahi Hawass.

However, in response to this, Mr Hawass has written to Mark Rose, Editor of Archaeology Magazine, saying that:-

This “pyramid” is actually a sloping hill near a village. This was famous in the Middle

Ages as a meeting place for merchants. What was found there is really just a mass of huge

stones, evidently a natural geologic formation. The stones do not match, and there is no

evidence that they were put together to form a solid structure. No one can say that these

stones were transported by human beings since each weighs approximately 40 tons. Apart

from its general outline, this hill bears absolutely no resemblance to the Egyptian pyramids.

Mr. Barakat, the Egyptian geologist working with Mr. Osmanagic, knows nothing about

Egyptian pyramids. He was not sent by the SCA, and we do not support or concur with his

statements.

Other archaeologists, such as a specialist in Prehistory at the National Museum in

Sarajevo named Zellika, have stated that Mr. Osmanagic is giving out false information.

What can Mr. Osmanagic use to show the age of the “pyramid?” No archaeological materials

have been found near the pyramid. Mr. Osmanic’s theories are purely hallucinations on his

part, with no scientific backing.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features...zahi_hawass.pdf

[gre]

Yes, it does - it's what is known as ripple marks and shows it to be natural rock strata, probably a mudstone.

On a seperate issue, much has been made of the presence of Egyptian geologist Barakat at the dig, and the fact that he was supposedly sent their by none other than Zahi Hawass.

However, in response to this, Mr Hawass has written to Mark Rose, Editor of Archaeology Magazine, saying that:-

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features...zahi_hawass.pdf

Of course. Mr. Berekat was sent by Egypt government and it is checkable on Egybt Embassy in Sarajevo.

BTW type in Google Hawass and bosnian pyramid or bosanska piramida and you will find his statement that it is posible that thee is pyramid in Bosnia but not old as egyptian are.

Do not forget influence people who are leaded by some, for most of you here, strange and notunderstandable interests.

And btw2 I really do not care who say what, I saw it with my own eyes, and I do not need any other opinion. It is manmade structure as photos on previous page shows. What else proof people needs? TV clip from the time it was made?? Or original enginering drawing? Or AutoCAD files of original desiner-constructor? Perhaps 3d model in 3D Studio Max? People with memories old 12 or ven more years?? What?

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[dmurdock36]

I am sorry, I looked at all the pictures that have been posted on this pyramid and these structures that you claim have to be man made just dont look man made to me, there are a couple of pictures one looks like a pathway of some sort but nothing like a pyriamid and the one picture of the rectangular hole looks man made but once again nothing like a pyriamid. I keep coming here hoping to find something concrete to say yes this is a pyramid but I still have seen nothing that looks anything like its part of a pyramid other than the shape of the hill. I sure hope they find something soon because this is starting to look like the scientists are correct and this osmanagic is trying to scam us.

[louie]

I am sorry, I looked at all the pictures that have been posted on this pyramid and these structures that you claim have to be man made just dont look man made to me, there are a couple of pictures one looks like a pathway of some sort but nothing like a pyriamid and the one picture of the rectangular hole looks man made but once again nothing like a pyriamid. I keep coming here hoping to find something concrete to say yes this is a pyramid but I still have seen nothing that looks anything like its part of a pyramid other than the shape of the hill. I sure hope they find something soon because this is starting to look like the scientists are correct and this osmanagic is trying to scam us.

looks like someone is looking for an argument and have the thread closed down.

please dont use words like scam you know itll flame people up..

if you have something to say choose your words carefully,

thanks

[dmurdock36]

sorry about the scam thing not looking for a fight just looking for a pyramid

[Feanor]

I think we are making a storm inside a cup of water.

Everyone here, beside thos who went there can say something more concrete.

I think we should all wait and see what will be discovered. Its too soon to say it is a pyramid or just a hill or even a roman building long forgotten and ruined by time.

[Aragon]

Gre can you show us where those stone where on this image, all those sonds, can you show us where all those stone blocks are on moon pyramid

it would be nice to compare all those stone blocks and this photo

[odas]

Tropical Stonehenge may have been found

Posted on June 28, 2006 | 12:24 | Comments: 6

A grouping of granite blocks along a grassy Amazon hilltop may be the vestiges of a centuries-old astronomical observatory — a find archaeologists say indicates early rainforest inhabitants were more sophisticated than previously believed. The 127 blocks, some as high as 9 feet tall, are spaced at regular intervals around the hill, like a crown 100 feet in diameter.On the shortest day of the year — Dec. 21 — the shadow of one of the blocks, which is set at an angle, disappears."It is this b... (Read more

This is from the UM Front page, and it is not off Topic.

What I want to say is that, just like the bosnian pyramids, those stoneblocks look different than the ones in England. But, yet again, they call it the tropical ''stonehenge''. Why?

Because of the similaritis between them yet so different.

Contrary to some posts, the more I watch the pictures, the more I believe it is very very old.

Some say it looks "Roman". So there is absolutely no chance that Romans learned from others????

The problem with knowledge is that it is someone elses knowledge that you ( we ) take for granted and say - Yes, I know. BS

At least Mr. Osmanagic takes a chance and goes where nobody went before and I am absolutely sure he will take the blame if he is wrong. But will Harding and Vrabac and other Birds will stick to their diplomas if Mr. Osmanagic is right??? We will see, we will see.

[beowulf]

people,, here we go again those who dont belive seem to want to pull us in to arguments,, dont fall for it, itll end in insults and the mods will shut the thread down like the last one, ignore them this thread is far more important than thier negative opnions, lets keep this thread going and lets not let them win.

In other words the story is an unsubstantiated rumour that the unschooled used to point the finger at the evil scientists that want to keep the "truth" from us all. Typical!

[Stardrive]

And btw2 I really do not care who say what, I saw it with my own eyes, and I do not need any other opinion. It is manmade structure as photos on previous page shows. What else proof people needs? TV clip from the time it was made?? Or original enginering drawing? Or AutoCAD files of original desiner-constructor? Perhaps 3d model in 3D Studio Max? People with memories old 12 or ven more years?? What?

Welcome back!!! I had a thought today I want to share with you. This is actually a win, win situation. Here is why. If what they uncover is a natural formation, then it's a geological wonder that alot of people will want to see. If it a man made structure, it's an archaelogical wonder that alot of people will want to see. Google natural pyramid and see what you get.

Thanks for the great pics mate and keep up the good work.

[odas]

MR. STARDIVE, YOU ARE A GENIUS. AND I MEAN IT.

[intrepid]

sorry about the scam thing not looking for a fight just looking for a pyramid

I don't think it's a Scam, but like dmurdock36 - I need more than stones and shapes. Isn't there some geometric-radar-scanning-laser-guided-infrared-heatseaking-x-ray-machine that can be used in order to accurately guage whats under the hill? Maybe an ultrasound thingo like they use after earthquakes or in mine collapses.

And two more questions:

- Why are these pyramids not in any historical texts?

- How did they become completely covered in dirt, shrubs and trees?

[Yrjö]

I saw Osmanic in the telly the other day here where I live, and I have to say, it wasn´t very convincing what came out of his mouth. Based on some of the pictures I have seen of him, he seems like a decent fella (besides of that hat ) but now that I have actually seen him saying something, I think that he is like someone from the Shop-TV, trying to sell something that just doesn´t make any sense.

But as the saying goes (don´t know if you have heard it); Even a blind chicken can find a grain sometimes. So we´ll reserve our judgement for awhile, Ok

[Aragon]

Radar image

this is possible tunels trough the sun pyramid

sun pyramid stone walls

[louie]

In other words the story is an unsubstantiated rumour that the unschooled used to point the finger at the evil scientists that want to keep the "truth" from us all. Typical!

Not at all your way off track. its important to keep the thread open as there is so much being learned by all here, so when somebody is trying to pick an argument, normally coming from people whom dont think its a pyramid it ends in slagging matches and the mods intervine and like the last thread it was shut down . there is so much swapping of information in here that it would be a great loss to lose the thread.

now do you understand.

also on finnish tv they had a 10 minute piece about viscova and sam at the end of the news. they showed the piece from 2 sides wich is fair, sam said his bit and then a female archelogist gave her opnion as to why it was not a pyramid then they interviewed a finnish volunteer at the site and she is convinced its a pyramid, wich is fair, but only thing i noticed was the archelogist was giving her opnion from her office somewhere in the states and the volunteer who thinks it is a pyramid was actually on site, i find that humerous.

[intrepid]

also on finnish tv they had a 10 minute piece about viscova and sam at the end of the news. they showed the piece from 2 sides wich is fair, sam said his bit and then a female archelogist gave her opnion as to why it was not a pyramid then they interviewed a finnish volunteer at the site and she is convinced its a pyramid, wich is fair, but only thing i noticed was the archelogist was giving her opnion from her office somewhere in the states and the volunteer who thinks it is a pyramid was actually on site, i find that humerous.

Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? Could you tell me what the two arguments were?

[Yrjö]

"Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? "

Earth grows.

Maybe not in australia, but one could imagine that in bosnia there is a climate where rocks start to grow moss first, then grass and after a while (few thousand years) there is a thick layer of turf covering them.

dunno

[louie]

Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? Could you tell me what the two arguments were?

it was only a 10 minute news piece. baiscally the archelogist in the states says its not man made, and the finnish volunteer on the site says she thinks it is. thats all it was.

[Feanor]

Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? Could you tell me what the two arguments were?

Maybe the same way the egyptian pyramids got coverd by sand before.

Things change with time, including landscape.

[louie]

"Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? "

Earth grows.

Maybe not in australia, but one could imagine that in bosnia there is a climate where rocks start to grow moss first, then grass and after a while (few thousand years) there is a thick layer of turf covering them.

dunno

there is also a theory that the south american pyramids and cities were covered on puropse, but dont ask cos everything ive read they have no definite proof and dont know for sure. but its a theory,

[Aragon]

Did anyone explain why it's covered in sooo much dirt? Could you tell me what the two arguments were?

and if you tell me why is so much dirt on latin america pyramids then we can talk about bosnian pyramid

San Andres, el salvador pyramid

Cihuatan, El Salvador

Mexico , cholula pyramid covered with dirt as bosnian pyramids

and then a female archelogist gave her opnion as to why it was not a pyramid

hahah that is zilka, a bitter enemy to osmanagich and bosnian pyramids, actually she never visited all sonds , so how can anyone ask her opinion about this