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There is no god!

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Jodie.Lynne

gee zero, if you feel that way, you should quit now, before you too become an 'unsocial geek'.

As for 'socially adapt' (do you mean 'adept'?), one could say the same about 17 y/o's debating serious tpics, no?

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seanph
Not downing on anyone, but are you only social with people who study the same things as you? That group of people isn't really.....socially adapt. In my opinion of course XD...

I'm very sociable, enjoy discussing various subjects--that's why I enjoy UM. That said, I could ask the same of you. You spend quite a bit of time here. Are you sociably adept?

Scientists aren't the best people to look at and "chill" with. =P

Not a scientist. And how do you know? I have a good friend who is a physicist and absolutely great fun.

I was just saying that it seems like these people are constantly studying or debating, that they never seem to have time to 1. Be social, 2. Not be what society calls a "geek".

Well, it's enjoyable--at least for me--to study, learn, and debate. I find learning something new on a daily basis very exciting. And, again, I could ask the same of you. You frequent this site--and I'm sure others--quite often. Are you sociable, a "geek"?

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zandore

zero, People have studied these things over many years. The years you haven't lived yet. You are curious though, so one day you will have the knowledge that we have. Be patient, listen and continue asking questions.

So I WILL have the knowledge you have? Depends on wich subject you're talking about. I have a few in mine I'm quite educated in.

Also to learn you must keep in mind that things other that what you believe in might be possible.

1) If G-d is All Things (omnipresent), then doesn't G-d already know who trusts him?

This is the same as the old "Why give us free will if he already knows who will obey him and who won't"

Same thing just put in a different way.

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Yes learning everday and studying- reading etc. Is awesome. I might be a geek or whatever but I have always been. But I do have friends to that do not like the same things. They think I am eccentric. But I just do the things they like. Then I talk to older people about the more educational topics. Sometimes talking about the same things gets old. So you talk about other things- evolution, spirituality, ghosts, loch ness monster. Even if we cannot prove them we can still try. :w00t:

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Tornado

Not downing on anyone, but are you only social with people who study the same things as you? That group of people isn't really.....socially adapt. In my opinion of course XD...

Scientists aren't the best people to look at and "chill" with. =P

I was just saying that it seems like these people are constantly studying or debating, that they never seem to have time to 1. Be social, 2. Not be what society calls a "geek".

I know we need to accept people more, but come on now. >.>

o0o0o ... Hey!!! :blink: I study Meteorology and I am so0o0o far from being a geek - I took the "Nerd Test" and got 4, lol. :P I have lots of friends whom I socialise with - none are into the same thing (Meteorologically speaking) but we share loads of other interests. I'm fun to be around and I love to have a good time. I don't spend all hours indoors studying.

Yes learning everday and studying- reading etc. Is awesome. I might be a geek or whatever but I have always been. But I do have friends to that do not like the same things. They think I am eccentric. But I just do the things they like. Then I talk to older people about the more educational topics. Sometimes talking about the same things gets old. So you talk about other things- evolution, spirituality, ghosts, loch ness monster. Even if we cannot prove them we can still try. :w00t:

^ Yes, that's right. I love to learn, but it's good to be into things that include your friends too, even if it's not your thing. Just because I have a big interest in something, doesn't mean that I can't learn/investigate theories and answers to other things.

You may have noticed that I don't believe in God, lol, :D but I still have an interest in other peoples' thoughts on this subject and have friends who DO believe - YES! I can involve myself in other things too.

But I'm NOT A GEEK!!!!!!!!<333 :no:<_<:geek::D:P

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ShaunZero

Nah I'm kool with "geeks". My best friend is a geek. I'm just saying most Scientists are what most people call "geeks".

Think about this. Is it really wrong to think "BLAH!" when you see a man in a thong? Of course it is!

Now, I said that because "geeks" can be more social if they tried. That's all. And I know alot of you will defend the geeks, and I have no problem with that because my best friend is what I call a geek. He even admits to bein a geek, lol. He has a hard time with girls because of it also, and he tries to be social but it just doesn't work. Sometimes it depresses him so I try to help'em out and make him feel better by teaching him to be more social and teach him the things he shouldn't be talking to girls about. Well, at least the girls he goes after. He'll have to settle for a geek girlfriend if he doesn't let me help'em.

I have nothing against geeks, I just feel bad for those who try to be social and can't be. And they're not all that fun to be around. Constant big words gets annoying -_-.

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hyperactive

how entertaining that this topic went from gods to geeks. particularily amusing is the similarities in the statements about both. perhaps that in itself is the most revealling since it is the geeks that inherit the earth (ok, that was a poor play on that old christian saying).

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Sherapy

hyper I liked it the play on words lol Namaste Sheri

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RedRaider9981

I must say that I used to believe in God and all that stuff when I was a kid, but the older I get and the more I look around, I'm slowly starting to lose my faith and steer more towards Agnostic.

I do believe in an afterlife, but not like it talks about in the bible. I don't believe in heaven or hell like it's described in there. Some place with fire and brimstone, or paved with gold. Nah, because what about the people who could care less about gold? I personally would rather "heaven" be paved in platinum and diamonds or something like that. :D

My house is haunted with 2 ghosts, so over the years I've decided that when we die, we all just go into a sort of "spirit world" or something. Kinda like we're just on another plane or dimension, that sometimes intersects with the world of the living (i.e. haunting). I believe our life in the flesh is just the tip of the iceberg.

I also believe in reincarnation (not every time... just certain people and certain instances), although human into human only, not human into insect or any of that other crap like some religions believe. I seriously doubt great grandma would come back as a louse on some monkey's head.

As far as organized religion and stuff goes, I don't really go for that anymore. It's cool to be "spiritual" (as I am) and I definately believe in Karma, but I will tell yall one thing, that whole Noah's Ark and David & Goliath thing were just stories they made up to sell bibles. The fact of the matter is in the real world, sometimes Goliath kicks the holy sh** out of David. :rofl::D:lol:

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hyperactive

welcome redraider,

what led you to decide a human could not reincarnate into a worm (or something else non-human)? Usually people are either yes or no to reincarnation, not yes with restrictions.

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PLO

well i got a theory about, i beleive only the one species can reincarnate into itself again, in order to maintane a balance of nature. So for every one that dies, a new life in case of humans a child is conceived for their sole and vice versa.

Cuase if not, then the billions of tons of plankton that get gulpd a year from those sneaky pyscic whales what bring an immense disruption if a few billion humans were to appear every year.

so its basicaly tit for tat, one dies, ones born, ones born, one dies.

Maybe if we achieve a truly fulfild life though are souls can get reincarted to something better, or if were bad somethign worse. But that i think is inherintly flawed and is a subtle and extremely cunning way for bhuddists to create a system of morality that should be adhered to through fear, and as we all know thats a bad thing, so that bit of it cant be true, sneaky bhudists.

theres also the question that why would aworm be considered lower than a seagul

D'YARRR BY JONATHAN LIVINSTONE SEAGULL!!!!!!

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RedRaider9981

Thanks Hyperactive.

Yes, I agree with you PLO.

I don't believe cold-blooded creatures like bugs and snakes, etc. have souls. I do believe people, as well as a lot of warm-blooded animals (i.e. many people have seen ghosts of cats, dogs, horses, etc.) have souls. I don't know of any reports of people ever seeing ghosts of lizards, frogs, worms, etc.

But as far as reincarnation goes, I think that a human soul can only fit with a human body, and the same for animals. I myself have been told i'm an "old soul" by at least 10 different people throughout my life. I seriously wouldn't doubt it if I am.

But my theory is, when you die your soul goes into like a pool (spirit world) and either you stay there forever, or, after x amount of time, your number is up and you get sent back into earth to start a new life. But with the birthrate ever surpassing the death rate, new souls still need to be manufactured to keep the balance in check.

Some people live just the one life and that's it. But others (myself included) keep on going 'till we get it right (whatever the hell that may be). The soul is the original factory material (OEM), and all the bodies you go through are aftermarket modifications. [sorry, i'm a car nut]

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RedRaider9981

I once saw a funny t-shirt that said "I'm an atheist because it's God's plan."

It reminds me of what someone on here said about "Why give us free will if God already knows who will trust him and who won't" lol. If yall ever want to hear something really funny and interesting on the perspective of religion, just download a piece by my hero George Carlin entitled "There is no God," and "Religion." They are both also towards the end of the "You're All Diseased" HBO special. Also, check out his "Ten Commandments" bit, at the end of the "Complaints and Grievances" HBO special.

Meanwhile, I understand that we as a society must have law and order if our civilization is ever going to make it beyond the animal kingdom, but I don't think we should have so many laws derived from biblical text.

For example: Prostitution. Having sex is perfectly legal, so why in the hell is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away!? That would be like telling somebody they can give drugs to the kid on the corner, they just can't SELL the drugs to him. I can't follow the logic on that at all. But it's a very old law that's been on the books probably since the 1700's and it's derived from the bible. What ever happend to separation of church and state!?

And I would bet dollars to donuts that those little grey alien b******* have had at least some influence on the shaping and development of our world over the last 10,000+ years. I think they look at us like we look at animals. For all we know, we may be just some big development project of theirs on a cosmic scale (far fetched I know, but possible nonetheless). :mellow:

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ShaunZero

how entertaining that this topic went from gods to geeks. particularily amusing is the similarities in the statements about both. perhaps that in itself is the most revealling since it is the geeks that inherit the earth (ok, that was a poor play on that old christian saying).

The reason I started talking about geeks was because of you. :w00t: Just kiddin' ole buddy ole pal.

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Tornado

Nah I'm kool with "geeks". My best friend is a geek. I'm just saying most Scientists are what most people call "geeks".

Oh noooooooooooo!!! I told you "I'm NOT a geek". Please believe me. I've never ever, ever been called one either. I drink Budweiser, damn it, not tomato juice! :P I didn't even know how spell the word "geek" until yesterday - that's a point - I don't even own a dictionary. Ha!!! I don't know any long words ... :P:geek:

I don't believe cold-blooded creatures like bugs and snakes, etc. have souls.

They do have souls. I told my friend's pet Python that she looked terrible in that dress and you know what? she cried like a baby! With a soul comes feelings, and believe me, that girly snake has feelings alright! She didn't slither near me for weeks. :D

Seriously though, I hadn't thought about any limits to reincarnation before.

*Starts thinking* ... Hmm ... ??? :huh::blink:

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Yelekiah

reincarnation

^Long word. What a dork, I bet she drinks tomato juice. :geek:

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Tornado

As far as organized religion and stuff goes, I don't really go for that anymore. It's cool to be "spiritual" (as I am) and I definately believe in Karma, but I will tell yall one thing, that whole Noah's Ark and David & Goliath thing were just stories they made up to sell bibles. The fact of the matter is in the real world, sometimes Goliath kicks the holy sh** out of David. :rofl::D:lol:

Who's David and Goliath? :ph34r:

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Tornado

^Long word. What a dork, I bet she drinks tomato juice. :geek:

*Gasps* Take that back!!! :angry2: :)

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Yelekiah

LOL, those smileys are amusing.

I'll retract it though.

Cheers. To beer...

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hyperactive

:D @ yele....

so dorks are geeks in denial? or in tornado's case would that be a dorkette? :rofl::rolleyes:

cheers to tomato-carrot-wheatgrass juice!

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ghostbuster_3

Ok, before any of you religious people come in here and start saying how I'm going to go to hell, and turned into salt or whatever, read this WHOLE thing.

(Some of the things I say here may have been posted in replies to other topics)

I believe that God is completely made up. Throughout many thousands of years and civilizations all over the globe, societies have had a God or gods. This is because they have no better explanation for misunderstood things. "There was an earthquake!!! God is angry!" "Our crops grew tall this year!!! God is pleased!" "This lady woke up from a coma!!! It's a miracle, God saved her!" And so with the common belief that god controls everything we have accepted his rule and everything he does is right. "My grandma dies!!! God did that for a reason!" and so on.

The reason that civilization made God or gods was to keep everyone in line. So many more people would resist stealing and murdering if they thought they would go to hell if they did so. Everyone would be a better person if they thought they would go to heaven for it. God was created to help people stick together and prosper. And I don't think it was a bad thing! Society might not have advanced past what middle eastern poor people have now if they didn't make it, so it was a great idea to conjure that illusion up!

And isn't it convenient that there is no way of proving any of this stuff. Is there a heaven, only the dead know. Is there a god, same answer. How do I know there is a God? You just have to believe....... That last remark is what really bugs me about religion. You just have to believe. What are we believing in? are we believing the priest that there is a God? How does HE know?? He believed a different priest and here is how the telephone game starts. You start out saying "oh Ted has a funny face", and it ends up as "Green books taste like toe jam!" There is no credibility. Religion is worse! It has gone on for thousands of years!

The ancient greeks would have sworn on their lives that there were really manticores, cyclopses and chimeras, but no we know they don't exist. And the same thing happens with christians and angels. maybe they don't see them as frequently, but they believe. If there really is a god, then the bibles MUST be false. This is a quote I got off of comedy central (tv) and i think it is true while funny. I'm not sure it is really a quote though because I don't remember it word for word. "The bible says God doesn't want me to do my sister, but it also says that adam and eve created all humanity and if they had kids, there would be no one else for them to do! Someone had to bang their sister."

I might have forgotten some stuff, but I am tired and it's like midnight here so if you Christians want to attack me now, go ahead, I'm sure there is plenty of stuff in there for you to find holes in, but once you point them out to me, I WILL fill them in.

ok every one that is geting up in his face shut the hell up hes just sayin what he belives like me i belive god is real but i dont like him.

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gGuardian

Well one things for sure. When our time comes to die. The real truth will be known if God is real or not. Believer or not.

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Tornado

:D @ yele....

so dorks are geeks in denial? or in tornado's case would that be a dorkette? :rofl::rolleyes:

cheers to tomato-carrot-wheatgrass juice!

Lmao :w00t: I hate you all! :P

*Buys a dictionary and looks-up a long, insulting word* Eh, you're not worth it!!! <_<

*opens a bottle of tomato juice*

*Then reads "Physics Monthly" while listening to "Classical FM"*

:P

Anyway, back to the toipc <=== Ha! Can't spell it! ... See, not a :geek:

*Drinks the tomato juice* *Gags*

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Tornado

Well one things for sure. When our time comes to die. The real truth will be known if God is real or not. Believer or not.

Yep. I'm either gonna laugh and say "I told you so" or put my head down in shame. I guess if God does exist, I'll be in Hell for not believing?

Wow! I hope, for my sake, that he doesn't! :cry:

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