insane_potatoes Posted December 20, 2005 #526 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I am too lazy to go into details. This is the reason. Christians are stupid God is a pathetic concept. GROW UP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 20, 2005 #527 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Wow...lazy, insulting, derogatory, AND condescending, all before his tenth post... Reach for the stars, Insane Potatoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandore Posted December 20, 2005 #528 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I am too lazy to go into details. This is the reason. Christians are stupid God is a pathetic concept. GROW UP! PSST.....Insane I agree with what you are saying but this is not the right section to be posting like that and besides the MOD's might not like what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_potatoes Posted December 21, 2005 #529 Share Posted December 21, 2005 This is up for debate is it not? Should I not post my answer for the question asked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_potatoes Posted December 21, 2005 #530 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Wow...lazy, insulting, derogatory, AND condescending, all before his tenth post... Reach for the stars, Insane Potatoes! 1. Her, I am a chick. 2. My amount of post has nothing to do with this. 3. Why would I reach for burning balls of fire? Now that's just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 21, 2005 #531 Share Posted December 21, 2005 1. A chick you are. So noted. 2. First impressions, girl. That's what the amount of posts has to do with this. 3. Experience is never dumb, no matter how foolish it may seem at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit_prophet Posted December 21, 2005 #532 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I am too lazy to go into details. This is the reason. Christians are stupid God is a pathetic concept. GROW UP! You sound like you are a troubled teenager who just doesn't believe in God because nothing goes your way. By the way who are you telling to grow up and why are you judging like that. Hsst athiest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_potatoes Posted December 21, 2005 #533 Share Posted December 21, 2005 So many aspects of christianity heve been proven wrong! Jesus WAS NOT born on Dec. 25! that was a holiday stolen from the pagans! How could Mary be a virgin?! THERE IS NO GOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted December 21, 2005 #534 Share Posted December 21, 2005 This is up for debate is it not? Should I not post my answer for the question asked? You can debate without stepping out of the parameters of forum rules. Calling Christians stupid is flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueryAnalyzer Posted December 21, 2005 #535 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I am too lazy to go into details. This is the reason. Christians are stupid God is a pathetic concept. GROW UP! <sarcasm ON>always refreshing hearing a future noble-prize winner</sarcasm OFF> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 21, 2005 #536 Share Posted December 21, 2005 So many aspects of christianity heve been proven wrong! Jesus WAS NOT born on Dec. 25! that was a holiday stolen from the pagans! How could Mary be a virgin?! THERE IS NO GOD! Yeah, we know (most of us). About Christmas, about Mary (although there are a few quite secular ways in which it could have happened). The last part is strictly your opinion, which I happen to share, but your opinion, my opinion, and ten bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Doesn't mean that we refer to people who haven't learned this yet as stupid. No one should expect you to know something that you haven't been taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted December 21, 2005 #537 Share Posted December 21, 2005 You can debate without stepping out of the parameters of forum rules. Calling Christians stupid is flaming. EXACTLY...but some don't just get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandore Posted December 21, 2005 #538 Share Posted December 21, 2005 This is up for debate is it not? Should I not post my answer for the question asked? Not in this section. This is the "Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs" you want the "Spirituality vs Skepticism". OK my friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micah-el Posted December 21, 2005 #539 Share Posted December 21, 2005 to answer the question in the title; Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated. Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts, and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia. Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 21, 2005 #540 Share Posted December 21, 2005 to answer the question in the title; Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated. Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts, and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia. Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore. Then maybe you are a deist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micah-el Posted December 21, 2005 #541 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Then maybe you are a deist? i know not, what they would call me, but i prefer; like my two buddies DemonWatcher and DarkLordOfHELL; to be called a Watcher (not in the biblical sense though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 21, 2005 #542 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Oh I never heard of a watcher. Sounds neat. The deists believe in a loving creator that no longer interacts with the creations.. they also do not believe in hell. \ This is an interesting religion. If I were not Christian I would be a deist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micah-el Posted December 21, 2005 #543 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I prefer to do what The One True God's non-corporeal creations do, Watch and wait. Hence i am a Watcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted December 21, 2005 #544 Share Posted December 21, 2005 To answer the original question I will use a couple of quotes that make a lot of sense to me. C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity makes the best one I have ever read. In the end though, one must have faith that God exists and that faith should be grounded in logic and reason so that it is not simply blind faith. If you want to convince an agnostic of the existence of God, then do so by showing him or her he fruits of that faith. Most people I know that are agnostic are not agnostic because they have a hard time logically concluding that a higher power exists, but rather because of the actions of the people who claim to follow that higher power. I think this point is best illustrated by the following quote: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mohandas Gandhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baastetnoir Posted December 21, 2005 #545 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I would say the answer to that question is sad and simple. Jesus in the Bible said : "if you follow me you will be hated and persecuted"...so thats a given the otehr part is, so much eveil, so many wrongs have been donne in the name of christianity that people have become saturated. also nowadays, most famous people connected in some way to christianity are so arrogant, self-righteous, hypocritical, judgemental, pig-headed and narrow-minded that it ends up reflecting on everyone else..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_potatoes Posted December 22, 2005 #546 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yeah, we know (most of us). About Christmas, about Mary (although there are a few quite secular ways in which it could have happened). The last part is strictly your opinion, which I happen to share, but your opinion, my opinion, and ten bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Doesn't mean that we refer to people who haven't learned this yet as stupid. No one should expect you to know something that you haven't been taught. No, my friend, You opinion, my opinion and ten bucks, will give 2 cups of coffee, a couple of granola bars, and a really nice conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_potatoes Posted December 22, 2005 #547 Share Posted December 22, 2005 I am on my way to the Sprituality vs. Skeptism fourm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777MileStare Posted December 23, 2005 #548 Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) to answer the question in the title; Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated. Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts, and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia. Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore. Warning: not sarcasm. How many pictures/paintings of Jesus are there? Which one is actually a true depiction of what he really really looks like? I don't know, dammit I hate Jesus. Which one? I don't know I hate them all. Wait till one day I die, and I find out what he really really looks like and he actually speaks to me. Or am I WAITING and WATCHING for ressurection??? Dammit I hate that, no one has been ressurected yet, I hate that unressurected Jesus. Wait a second how come I hate Jesus? I don't even know him. I can't hate anyone I don't know. Dammit I hate that. I hate it when that happens. I don't know- maybe it's my internal primitive instinct, but I just hate the people who made me worship an invisible higher power when I was a child, whom created a son named Jesus Christ- whom has probably millions of depictions of himself in an artistic view, whom I never met before as a child. Then ( InsanePotatoes ) I grew up, looked back and tried to figure out if I lost something (FAITH) that I couldn't have ever possibly gained in the first place unless I could touch it. Pretty pathetic unless you could prove it through a miracle. There is a balance-of the ego: no miracles, no accidents. So today I don't hate anyone, anything, anyplace, anywhere, for whatever reason, why ever, however, if ever, UNLESS I know first. If I know, then I can love. If I don't know, I can't love, and I can't hate. It, I can hate. DAMN IT. * A MESSAGE TO IT - YOU ARE NOT HIGHER THAN ME - DO YOU GOT THAT? * * probably not reading this anyway - dammit I knew it - it just doesn't care anymore does it. I hate it * I hate it, because it doesn't make sense being something I can't hate if I don't know what it is, then I hate it when that happens. Then I end up hating it, and then it goes away. So there is skepticism of why Jesus is hated in the first place, before Christianity is going to get full definition of hate - I think. Edited December 27, 2005 by PFlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777MileStare Posted December 23, 2005 #549 Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) To "InsanePotatoes", from my friend, "Desypher". "If there is no creater, ( or what some people would call God because of that reason of being created ), there must have been something whether God/creater/machine- or higher power that made this besides ourselves because no one being can create themselves. So, what does that leave 'us'? It leaves us in a place of awe of present creation, past creation, and future creation. -"Desypher" A.K.A- asdf/// P.S. Lack of belief if anything leads to Hell. Without that belief, we are left alone." P.P.S.- To one pleasure there is a lifetime of suffering.. to one instance of suffering there is a lifetime of pleasure compared to that suffuring. -Again, not necessarily my words, but I agree. -PFlack. There is the possibility of skepticism of the hatred for God/Jesus Christ and Christianity. Maybe it is a question that should be rephrazed? Edited December 27, 2005 by PFlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:rollseyes: Posted December 23, 2005 #550 Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) To answer the original question I will use a couple of quotes that make a lot of sense to me. C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity makes the best one I have ever read. In the end though, one must have faith that God exists and that faith should be grounded in logic and reason so that it is not simply blind faith. If you want to convince an agnostic of the existence of God, then do so by showing him or her he fruits of that faith. Most people I know that are agnostic are not agnostic because they have a hard time logically concluding that a higher power exists, but rather because of the actions of the people who claim to follow that higher power. I think this point is best illustrated by the following quote: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mohandas Gandhi good post (btw, did you know Ghandi believed in the ressurection of christ?) However, I'm tired of people confunding one or two Christians with christianity. If it is legitime to blame christianism for the despicable acts of a insignificant minority of christians who, in fact have for sure an higher amount of good, honest, holy people amongst their ranks than any other institucion in the world (only rivalising with buddhism perhaps ), then it also legitime to condemn the whole human race, or the whole America, or all sausage makers (I know of one who cheated in the casino, that's bad! ) Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated. so, you are against his teachings, not his person? you are against a message of forgiveness and love? Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts, indeed, their own and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia. rofl - I think that was Indiana Jones actually or maybe you're reading too many templar/graal/masonry books, no? Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore. that's dumb friend. so, when you are having dinner you don't care what you are actually eating? when you are having sex you don't care who is in the other side of the bed? you also don't mind which party governs your country? really, that such a wise and mature way of living keep on Edited December 23, 2005 by :rollseyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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