Saru Posted August 26, 2003 #1 Share Posted August 26, 2003 A nightmarish US super weapon reportedly was employed by American ground forces during chaotic street fighting in Baghdad. The secret tank-mounted weapon was witnessed in all its frightening power by Majid al-Ghazali, a seasoned Iraqi infantryman who described the device and its gruesome effects as unlike anything he had ever encountered in his lengthy military service. The disturbing revelation is yet another piece of cinematic evidence brought back from postwar Iraq by intrepid filmmaker Patrick Dillon. In the film, al-Ghazali, whose english is less than fluent, describes the weapon as reminiscent of a flame thrower, only immensely more powerful. It is unclear what principle the weapon is based on. Searching for a description, al-Ghazali said it appeared to be shooting concentrated lightning bolts rather than just ordinary flames. Drawing on his many years as a professional engineer, al-Ghazali speculates that radiation of some kind probably figures into the weapon's hideous capabilities. Like all men in Saddam's Iraq, al-Ghazali was compelled to serve in the Iraqi equivalent of the Army National Guard and fought in three wars over the past thirty-odd years. Via email, he told me he has seen virtually every type of conventional weapon employed in battle, and is well acquainted with their effects on people and machines, but nothing in his extensive combat experience prepared him for the shock of what he saw in Baghdad on April 12th. Source: Rense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro Posted August 26, 2003 #2 Share Posted August 26, 2003 seems a bit like overkill, eh? where is the source of this news? i don't know if i trust this article one bit. i mean, why mount some super atomic flame thrower gadget on a tank? what purpose would that have? maybe just for melting buses and creating atrocities that would shock the world. ya, that's the kind of thing we want. not to mention we send this uber weapon to the front lines where it could be captured and used against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dust19 Posted August 26, 2003 #3 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I read this article a while ago on rense.com I usually visit that site a lot throughout the day, but I must admit that most of the articles available on it seem a little outlandish at times. It entertains me though. I have to laugh at that darn picture too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaj Posted August 26, 2003 #4 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Would not surprise me if the US army uses the war to test new weapons. Great opportunity to test them in "action" Has been done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Posted August 26, 2003 #5 Share Posted August 26, 2003 lightning and fire? melted cars and soldiers?, maybe some kind of microwave weapon (hence the radiation and lightning) or a plasma based weapon (fire?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro Posted August 26, 2003 #6 Share Posted August 26, 2003 yes, we wanted to find a bus full of people to turn into little burned corpses. maybe some women and children would be even better! we could make little cookie sized corpses. you Europeans astound me sometimes. so insulting. its like Americans are nothing more than wannabe nazis to you all. we are just itching to commit atrocities and you have to check up on us to keep us in line. hell, we do it all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaj Posted August 26, 2003 #7 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I don´t dislike Americans... Americans are Paranoid sometimes maybe but not evil. And US army does test new weapons at war....then if it misses it´s target it is a different story. Lots and lots of wonderful things comes from USA and I don´t know what the world would look like if USA didn´t exist.. I glad that Saddam and Usama didn´t/don´t have that kind of firepower at their hands. But still I don´t agree with everything that the US gov does...no reason to loose your temper over that. Hell I don´t agree fully with any gov. There are good and bad people in every single country in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeter Posted August 26, 2003 #8 Share Posted August 26, 2003 This story does have a Weekly World News ring to it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro Posted August 26, 2003 #9 Share Posted August 26, 2003 lose my temper? how would you feel if i dug some crap up about Sweden doing some horrible thing to civilians and then agreed that it might be true? paranoid? well damn right im paranoid. im paranoid that there are actually a lot of Europeans who would believe this without hesitation because they think we are capable of this type of thing. i don't care if i was in the army and my superior officer told me to fry a bus full of people with our special weapon, i would tell him to go to hell and get his superior on the phone. any reasonable American soldier would do the same thing, im certain of it. we don't go around frying buses filled with civilians, regardless of whatever psycho propaganda you people read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaj Posted August 26, 2003 #10 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Thats not true....There is lots of people over here that support Americans (In Sweden anyway) And most seem tired of the terror acts in Iraq and Israel too....Many of those who criticizesed Americans heavy is now quiet when the UN was blown up. And they understand the situation better. And we all know, if we think about it, that we don´t want to know what would have happened if Saddam still was running that country. But I understand where you are coming from. At the same time you too only have medias reports from which to build an opinion of the europeans, and what they/we think about USA and the war. ( and then maybe a few nutcases on the net ) Must goto sleep now..it´s 15 past midnight over here. Nice talking to you Bizarro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Posted August 26, 2003 #11 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Dude bizarro, all governments test weapons at battle, but in any conflict theres going to be civilian casualties, i doubt anyone was ordered to fire on a bus, maybe the man was lieing,but its a story none the less, and it still has to be proven to be true, just take it with a pinch of salt dude, and i'm sorry if any of my comments offend you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro Posted August 26, 2003 #12 Share Posted August 26, 2003 im sorry. im totally appalled. take it with a pinch of salt? maybe the man is lying? this story is total nonsense. all it is doing is playing on fears of American militarism, that some people will eat up. tell me, what purpose would destroying a bus full of civilians have for testing this weapon? none of those targets listed were military targets at all. couldn't we test our weapon back here in the good ole USA on our own buses or mock towns (or heaven forbid animals)? why risk word of such a dastardly act getting out? oh, we rushed bulldozers in to cover our tracks(that ought to foil anyone looking for proof!) we would be war criminals if word of this horror got out. that would go against everything we stand for and also hinder us building this into an international effort (which we try to do more everyday). did you notice that the Iraqi who told this story is going to visit the US? we must have paid him off to shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystify Posted August 29, 2003 #13 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Well.... rense.com's disclaimer proves their stories aren't always accurate "The materials comprising the Rense.com news service (the "Website") are provided by Rense.com as a service to its readers on an "as-is, as-available" basis for informational purposes only. Rense.com assumes no responsibility for any errors or omissions in these materials. Rense.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. Further, Rense.com cannot edit, control, review for truth or accuracy, or screen for defamation or obscenity any content provided to the Website by a third party through postings, uploaded files, or any other form of communication, nor can the Rense.com ensure prompt removal of defamatory, obscene, inappropriate or unlawful content after transmission." I don't think anyone really knows what goes on within governements except those who run it. But i won't believe anything myself based solely on something someone somewhere said... To many some's I take the probabilities into factor and take out the improbabilities.... and that's what most likely happened. Not worth getting worked up over though .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odinsupreme Posted August 29, 2003 #14 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Every nation did things wrong.. the Dutch liked to trade slaves and we did some massacres in the past when we where at the top of our power. The probabaly are testing weapons in this war, but I doubt they used it on a bus with civilians. But accidents happen, they did shoot that cameraman last week, didn't they.. But those are the things that can happen in a war. Odin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepsychoticseaotter Posted August 29, 2003 #15 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I'll be the first to admit that the US has done some things wrong before. But this whole Iraq thing gives me bad feelings. Not the kind you'd think Either. I personally think the UN and countries such as france have hid the wmd's for Saddam during the initial investigation and allowed false intellegence to the Wars supporters. Given we had been pressing teh UN hard since 9-11 i think they have tired of us and are trying to Discredit the US and UK (as seen by PM Blairs unfortuante resignation). I may not always trust my gov. but I have learned never to trust thr UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndycurry Posted August 31, 2003 #16 Share Posted August 31, 2003 This story is true!! I've seen an article on this subject in a poplar science magazine. It's a huge dish with very large tubes, commanded by 3 soldiers. It shoots out an invisible high intensity heat ray, which burns people as far as 1 mile away. Wendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Posted August 31, 2003 #17 Share Posted August 31, 2003 any chance you could post the full article for all to see or at least the interesting parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uranium_235 Posted September 2, 2003 #18 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Bizarro yes, we wanted to find a bus full of people to turn into little burned corpses. maybe some women and children would be even better! we could make little cookie sized corpses. you Europeans astound me sometimes. so insulting. its like Americans are nothing more than wannabe nazis to you all. we are just itching to commit atrocities and you have to check up on us to keep us in line. hell, we do it all the time! dude settle down, no one was commenting on americans in general, learn to make fun of your self sometimes... anyway, about the story, i aswell find it hard to believe, you arent just going to bring out some hightech weapon where it could easly be captured, and if it was some sort of high energy radiation weapon, would it not pose a threat to allied forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted September 2, 2003 #19 Share Posted September 2, 2003 It shoots out an invisible high intensity heat ray, which burns people as far as 1 mile away. Wendy Hi Wendy, are you sure you're talking about the same thing here. I'm not sure how a weapon can shoot out "invisible high intensity heat rays" and be described as a flame-thrower type device belting out bolts of lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cufflink Posted September 7, 2003 #20 Share Posted September 7, 2003 I suspect the witness has let his understandable panic, and the ever-present fog of war cloud his judgement. If the US army had a new super weapon, they'd more than likely show it off to the press, as usual. No? Remember all the `sexy' hardware we are always shown before every campaign? And stop the Yank bashing. Very student politics, very cliched liberal, very tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepsychoticseaotter Posted September 7, 2003 #21 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Thank You cufflink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cufflink Posted September 7, 2003 #22 Share Posted September 7, 2003 You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro Posted September 7, 2003 #23 Share Posted September 7, 2003 you want to know the funny thing, Odin? i can interact with you without always putting something about the Dutch being slaverunners somewhere in my post... or how i dislike your idiotic Dutch leader. wouldn't it be nice if you could do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gario Posted September 7, 2003 #24 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Blair didn't resign, his cheif advisor did... You shouldn't believe this story, it's probably just some anti-American propaganda - to get the masses against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepsychoticseaotter Posted September 7, 2003 #25 Share Posted September 7, 2003 (edited) One thing also: YOU try being the country that the UN calls on when something goes wrong in one of a gazillion countries then have something like 9-11 happen, and try NOT to punch the lights out of some imbicile who says we deserved it. Yeah we're the UN police force and when we try to defend OUR country everyone is against us. Real intellegent guys, real intellegent. The phrase I want to use would get me kicked of so I'll use this one to all of the US bashers.....[edited out] Edit: PSO, don't do this, please. Thank you. Edited September 8, 2003 by Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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