KAOSInc Posted January 6, 2006 #1 Share Posted January 6, 2006 (edited) I did not post this for a discussion on 911. There are threads relating to this topic in the Current Affairs and Conspiracies Forum already, so please post there! Examples: The 9/11 conspiracy theory., Debunking The Myths the Controled Demolition of WTC 1,2,7 and the pent, evidence in video and stills 911 In Plane Site Directors Cut (1.1GB, DivX codec, English) http://thetruthseeker.org/ http://media.thetruthseeker.org/911/v/911_...rectors_Cut.avi Mirrors http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/08-media/A..._Plane_Site.zip Part 1 http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/qu...%20Part%201.wmv Part 2 http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/qu...%20Part%202.wmv Here are some issues about the September 11th attacks to consider: World Trade Center Towers Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Footage shows explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust. The towers fell exactly into their footprint, taking the path of most resistance in about 10 seconds, the same amount of time it takes an object to fall that distance in a vacuum. The towers tossed massive steel beams 200 feet in each direction, too far to be explained by a gravity collapse. Survivors and firefighters report explosions at the BASE of the WTC towers at the same time as the planes hit it - how did Osama do this? Pools of molten metal were found 7 stories under the towers 6 weeks after the attack. It takes 5000+ degrees Fahrenheit to turn steel into liquid. Where did this energy come from? The top of the south tower began to collapse sideways, then righted itself, falling into it's footprint. This is impossible with only gravity working to collapse the tower. Building 7 It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. It was not hit by any planes. How did Osama pull this one off? The 23rd floor was the Mayor’s "Emergency Command Center," a reinforced bunker which had its own air and water supply. Could this have been the command center for destroying the towers? Pentagon How does a 65 ton Boeing 767 with a 125 foot wingspan fit through a single 16 foot hole in the side of the Pentagon leaving virtually no wreckage? There is no evidence of a Boeing 767, seats, wings, engines, luggage or the dead passengers at the Pentagon. The Pentagon security video suggests a missile explosion rather than a jet fuel explosion. The Planes The planes that hit the WTC towers, from viewing the footage in slow motion, do not appear to be standard passenger jets. What is the explosive flash on the side of the towers just before the planes penetrate the buildings? With Flight 93, the reported flight of the "Lets Roll" hero's, wreckage was strewn 8 miles from the crash sight when this plane was reported to be "ditched" in Pennsylvania. How is that possible? At least 8 of the reported 19 "hijackers" are still alive, as reported by the UK Guardian Newspaper. There are no Arab names on ANY of the passenger lists for the 4 hijacked flights. There is no video showing the "hijackers" boarding any of the planes, only fuzzy security footage from Logan Airport for a connecting flight. Cellular phone calls are nearly impossible in flight above 8000 feet as cell phones have low power and cell towers point downwards. Source: http://thetruthseeker.org/ http://question911.com/ @ http://thetruthseeker.org/ there are 2 more videos Loose Change 2nd Edition (699MB, XviD codec, English) -> "The most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government. Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day." 911 Eyewitness (679MB, XviD codec, English) -> "Prepare yourself for the shocking reality of raw digital video that was removed from the Internet when all the OnlineTV computers were seized. Despite legal attempts to recover them, they remain locked away to this day..." My only Comment I watched this Documentary on TV last night and was fascinated by the Pentagon attack in which it showed visual evidence that something was just not quite right! Sorry if this is a re-post! I have searched over 40 pages and tried unsuccessfully to use the search function on this site! Edited January 6, 2006 by KAOSInc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conspiracy Posted January 12, 2006 #2 Share Posted January 12, 2006 alot of that has good points, espeacially building 47 and the pentagon. those 2 show no absolute signs of planes hitting them or debris taking down building 47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAOSInc Posted January 12, 2006 Author #3 Share Posted January 12, 2006 (edited) The Pentagon part had me wondering as well! Not one piece of plane debris was to be seen or when they showed where the tail fin should have gone through the building before it had collapsed, also had me puzzled! If it was a missile that had hit the Pentagon, why would they lie when their soldiers have been bombarded by missiles in Iraq? Perhaps they were too embarrased that the Pentagon was not as secure as they had first thought! Edited January 12, 2006 by KAOSInc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conspiracy Posted January 12, 2006 #4 Share Posted January 12, 2006 The Pentagon part had me wondering as well! Not one piece of plane debris was to be seen or when they showed where the tail fin should have gone through the building before it had collapsed, also had me puzzled! If it was a missile that had hit the Pentagon, why would they lie when their soldiers have been bombarded by missiles in Iraq? Perhaps they were too embarrased that the Pentagon was not as secure as they had first thought! theres also a conspiracy going around that the higher ups in the American government planned it to give themselves excuses to go to war in the middle east etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted January 12, 2006 #5 Share Posted January 12, 2006 theres also a conspiracy going around that the higher ups in the American government planned it to give themselves excuses to go to war in the middle east etc.. do you honestly believe they would plan there own destruction? to go to war...wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shigeru Posted January 12, 2006 #6 Share Posted January 12, 2006 do you honestly believe they would plan there own destruction? to go to war...wow Perhaps it had much to do with the "Patriot Act", which was a mean to enter some insidious underwritten allowances into the Constitution. Such as allowing wiretaps and spying on US citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinders Posted January 13, 2006 #7 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) do you honestly believe they would plan there own destruction? to go to war...wow I've always thought that long before I saw the "Loose Change" vids but I've never said anything about that - I am positive there are many that think the same thing but don't do or say anything about it. We will probably NEVER know the real truth about it all.. makes me wonder if that is "partly" why we've never caught Bin Ladin yet as well. Or have we?? Edited January 13, 2006 by Cinders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted January 13, 2006 #8 Share Posted January 13, 2006 We will probably NEVER know the real truth about it all.. makes me wonder if that is "partly" why we've never caught Bin Ladin yet as well. Or have we?? no we havent caught bin laden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted January 13, 2006 #9 Share Posted January 13, 2006 theres also a conspiracy going around that the higher ups in the American government planned it to give themselves excuses to go to war in the middle east etc.. scary thought but i have heard it before. whats that sh** they say abou sacraficing a few to save millions. but regardless there is something not quite right about the whole thing( 911 and iraq) bush bush bush oh lordy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunZero Posted January 13, 2006 #10 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I never trust government. They have the ability to lie so well due to their power. They can basically feed us anything and convince the world to believe it. What's sad is the people who don't question their government's truthfulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visceral Posted January 13, 2006 #11 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Operation Northwoods http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadlizard Posted January 13, 2006 #12 Share Posted January 13, 2006 many times in history the goverment self destructs its self to blame it to the others. ex hitler iam not exactly sure what he did (burn buildings) and than blamed it to the jews. even in ancient times this strategy was used. i wish i knew more and give more examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visceral Posted January 13, 2006 #13 Share Posted January 13, 2006 you're talking about the reichstag fire. The 9/11 Reichstag Fire http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_reichstag.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadlizard Posted January 13, 2006 #14 Share Posted January 13, 2006 i guess so, thanks Visceral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub_x0ne Posted January 13, 2006 #15 Share Posted January 13, 2006 That documentary does point out some good theories. I already disliked Bush and this gives even more reason to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Anne Posted January 15, 2006 #16 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I did not post this for a discussion on 911. There are threads relating to this topic in the Current Affairs and Conspiracies Forum already, so please post there! Examples: The 9/11 conspiracy theory., Debunking The Myths the Controled Demolition of WTC 1,2,7 and the pent, evidence in video and stills 911 In Plane Site Directors Cut (1.1GB, DivX codec, English) http://thetruthseeker.org/ http://media.thetruthseeker.org/911/v/911_...rectors_Cut.avi Mirrors http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/08-media/A..._Plane_Site.zip Part 1 http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/qu...%20Part%201.wmv Part 2 http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/qu...%20Part%202.wmv Here are some issues about the September 11th attacks to consider: World Trade Center Towers Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Footage shows explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust. The towers fell exactly into their footprint, taking the path of most resistance in about 10 seconds, the same amount of time it takes an object to fall that distance in a vacuum. The towers tossed massive steel beams 200 feet in each direction, too far to be explained by a gravity collapse. Survivors and firefighters report explosions at the BASE of the WTC towers at the same time as the planes hit it - how did Osama do this? Pools of molten metal were found 7 stories under the towers 6 weeks after the attack. It takes 5000+ degrees Fahrenheit to turn steel into liquid. Where did this energy come from? The top of the south tower began to collapse sideways, then righted itself, falling into it's footprint. This is impossible with only gravity working to collapse the tower. Building 7 It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. It was not hit by any planes. How did Osama pull this one off? The 23rd floor was the Mayor’s "Emergency Command Center," a reinforced bunker which had its own air and water supply. Could this have been the command center for destroying the towers? Pentagon How does a 65 ton Boeing 767 with a 125 foot wingspan fit through a single 16 foot hole in the side of the Pentagon leaving virtually no wreckage? There is no evidence of a Boeing 767, seats, wings, engines, luggage or the dead passengers at the Pentagon. The Pentagon security video suggests a missile explosion rather than a jet fuel explosion. The Planes The planes that hit the WTC towers, from viewing the footage in slow motion, do not appear to be standard passenger jets. What is the explosive flash on the side of the towers just before the planes penetrate the buildings? With Flight 93, the reported flight of the "Lets Roll" hero's, wreckage was strewn 8 miles from the crash sight when this plane was reported to be "ditched" in Pennsylvania. How is that possible? At least 8 of the reported 19 "hijackers" are still alive, as reported by the UK Guardian Newspaper. There are no Arab names on ANY of the passenger lists for the 4 hijacked flights. There is no video showing the "hijackers" boarding any of the planes, only fuzzy security footage from Logan Airport for a connecting flight. Cellular phone calls are nearly impossible in flight above 8000 feet as cell phones have low power and cell towers point downwards. Source: http://thetruthseeker.org/ http://question911.com/ @ http://thetruthseeker.org/ there are 2 more videos Loose Change 2nd Edition (699MB, XviD codec, English) -> "The most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government. Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day." 911 Eyewitness (679MB, XviD codec, English) -> "Prepare yourself for the shocking reality of raw digital video that was removed from the Internet when all the OnlineTV computers were seized. Despite legal attempts to recover them, they remain locked away to this day..." My only Comment I watched this Documentary on TV last night and was fascinated by the Pentagon attack in which it showed visual evidence that something was just not quite right! Sorry if this is a re-post! I have searched over 40 pages and tried unsuccessfully to use the search function on this site! This is a very frightening reality to even consider. If it is true, we are in serious trouble. I feel sorry for my children if our government could really do something this horrible. I don't know enough about explosions and steel melting, etc to really form an opinion on this. What was the name of this show again, and what station was it on? I will keep my eyes peeled for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacca Posted January 20, 2006 #17 Share Posted January 20, 2006 well unless you guys are experts in things like this all of those examples are pointless. But let me say this. If you really think that the Republicans could have gotten away with this with the Democrats not knowing your crazy especially if any of this info is true,then if you think that the dems would just sit back and not use it then you don't know anything about the government and the basic disdain one party feels for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashigaru Posted January 23, 2006 #18 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The government controls the media and the "official story" has been pounded down our throats that the majority believe it. If the democrats even tried using it they would be laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacca Posted January 24, 2006 #19 Share Posted January 24, 2006 sure because everyone wants bush to be right? that's laughable at best. The simple fact is there are enough people in washigton and around the world that if any of that info was true would make it known in full force. As for your idea that the media is controlled by the government if that were true then half of the stories you see that are negative would not ever be shown. Now I don't buy into everything I hear or read but something this huge with information that easily available would not be ignored. It's insane to think that it would be. The problem is that you are taking basic facts with no knowledge of what would happen except perhaps for the talkings of people who have an agenda of their own. It would be a great idea if there was anything behind it. but alas there most certainly is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted January 24, 2006 #20 Share Posted January 24, 2006 theres also a conspiracy going around that the higher ups in the American government planned it to give themselves excuses to go to war in the middle east etc.. Bull....Gasoline isnt worth american lives. Even they know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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