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Proof 1:2Pac now calls himself Makaveli... Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist who advocated faking one's death to fool their enemies... 2Pac was a fan of his and had read his books several times. Perhaps 2Pac is taking his advice...

Disproof: Nicolo Machievelli never faked his death, all he did was teach that in order o win at war, you must learn to decieve. Although some of his soldiers did fake death, It was not under his orders.

Proof 2:2Pac was cremated the day after he died... Since when does some one get cremated the day after a murder? There was no Autopsy

Disproof: There was an autopsy and the autopsy certificate is on file in Las Vegas. They didnt need to keep the body and only needed a short autopsy since they already knew the cause of death

Proof 3: no one can ask to dig up his grave like they wanted to do with Elvis and like they did with Abraham Lincoln.

Disproof: They cant dig up his grave because there is no grave, The ***** was cremated.

Proof 4:The cover of 2Pac's latest album, Makaveli has 2Pac looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be planning a resurrection?

Disproof: 2pac had said in an interview that the album cover represented how the public had crucified him by labeling him as a killer and a gangsta when they didnt know him or anything about him.

Proof 5:2Pac has completed 2 movies, 3 LP's, and keeps on appearing on new artist's albums... (Two of the LP's are not released yet. The movie will be released sometime in '97.) With so many people upset about 2Pac's death, literally anything connected with him is bound to net a whole lot of cash..

Disproof: 2pac had been talking about the Don Killumanati, One Nation and The Outlaw Immortalz LPs amd the Gridlockd and Gang Related, (name was changed to Criminal Intent) movies being completed for over a year before he died. Plus, almost every musician who died had unreleased material that would sell more if he/she was dead. Does that mean that Elvis, Kurt Cobain, Eazy E, Janis Joplin, Jerry Garcia, Biggie, Jimi Hendrix etc all faked there deaths?

Proof 6: . Las Vegas is a payoff city, meaning all sorts of folks have been known to be on the take. That means doctors, press, lawyers, etc.

Disproof: In order to fake death, 2pac would have to bribe the whole LVPD, the ER and intensive care doctors at the hospital and at least some of the media. Noone would help him fake death for less than a million dollars, since if tehy were caught theyd be put away for life. That would be close to a billion dollars. 2Pac didnt have close to that much. He was almost broke from Legal fees when he died. Plus death Row said that there all time profit was slightly over 200 million, and thats the whole company and that wouldnt be enough. Pkus im sure taht theres at least one member of one of these orginizations taht is honest and wouldnt take the bribes, which would **** up the whole plan.

Proof 7:The producer on the new Makaveli album is simply "SIMON." This was the apostle who helped Jesus carry the cross and one of the first to witness his resurrection. Could Suge be SIMON?

Disproof: If you had read my theory, youd know that I think Suge set 2pac up. If he had, Suge could have done that to make the death look more suspicious, which would make the album sell more which would make Suge richer

Proof 8:There are many numerological coincidences. Tupac was gunned down exactly seven months after All Eyez On Me was released. The number seven keeps coming up too. He was shot on September 7th and survived on 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and died the 13th. This could explain the title of his new album.... "The Don Killuminati: The 7 day theory." 2pac was 25. His age adds up to 7 (2 + 5). Even his time of death, 4:03, adds up to 7 (4 + 0 + 3). Also, on track five on the Makaveli album the voice at the begining says "And if the Lord returns in the coming seven days, then we'll see ya next time." He even talks about the number 7 on his album! There are more 'coincidences' too..

Disproof:This proof is the hardest to disprove. Some of the 7s are lies, for example he died at 4:10 not 4:03 and Suge could have set some of them up. And on the song blasphemy when he talks about the lorsd returning in 7 days he is making fun of the weekly bible TV shows,but the rest i cant explain. But i dont think that one proof alone can prove that hes alive.

Proof 9:Inside the cover of 2Pac's newest album, it reads "Exit: 2pac, Enter: Makaveli" as if 2pac has died and Makaveli born.

Disproof: This has nothing to do with 2pac being reincarnated, it says Exit 2pac because his stage name was no longer 2pac and enter Makaveli because this was the first album where he raps under the name Makaveli.

Proof 10:2pacs music video I aint Mad At Cha foretold his death

Disproof: About the only thing his real death and the One in I aint Mad At Cha had in common was that he died. In I aint Mad At Cha he was walking out of a theater and was shot by a mysterious man while walking. In his real death he was shot at a light while in a car driving away from a boxing match and there were over 20 witnesses.

Proof 11:In the video "Toss It Up", 2Pac is supposedly wearing some Penny Hardaway sneakers which were not available at the time of his death!!!! Also, some say in the video "Live & Die In LA" when 2Pac jumps in the car you see that he is wearing some Michael Jordan sneakers which were not available at the time of his death!

Disproof: First of all, his shoes are not shown at any time during the To Live And Die In LA video, and also celebrities are given merchandise long before they are released. I have seen pictures of Wu Tang Clan where they are wearing the 1998 Jordans.

Proof 12: 2Pac always wore a bulletproof vest but for some strange reason he didn't wear one this time.. why not?

Disproof:2pac never wore his vest while performing since he almost always took his shirt off. He was on his way to perform at Suges club 662.Plus, how would anyone know if 2pac had been always wearing his vest, it was not visible in pictures. He could have stopped wearing it months before he died and noone would know

Proof 13:The memorial services that were open to the public were canceled in both Los Angeles and Atlanta...

Disproof: This proof doesnt prove anything. People would think that they cancelled the services because there wasnt a body and if they had the service everyone would see that. But noone was expecting to see a body at the services since he was creamated, so it was obviously cancelled for other reasons.

Proof 14:2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a bullet.. Why did 2Pac get shot all those times and Suge not get hit?

Disproof: Um that might be because the gunners were aiming for 2pac. Just a thought. The gunner was out of the car and standing at a diagonal angle from 2pac, is is not hard to aim at that position

Proof 15:The white Cadillac containing the assailants was never found... How could this be when Vegas is in the middle of a desert?

Disproof:There are roads that get out of Vegas, these things called interstate highways. They couldv'e taken one of those and dumped the car somewhere and there are junkyards in Vegas that will demolish the car.

Proof 16: Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert. How come there was no helicopter chase? If some one were to rob a casino, the LVPD would've chased you down with some helicopters.. . How come this didn't happen with 2Pac shooting?

Disproof: By the time that there was enought evidence to know who they were chasing, it was to late. They cant have a helicopter chase without knowing who they are going after, plus there are a lot of murders in this country and it is very rare that the killer is chased by helicopter

Proof 17:A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occurred close to the release of his album Doggystyle which made Snoop appear more "real" and showed that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platinum. Snoop is signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records.

Disproof: 2pac had already been shot and been to court on several cases. there was no doubt that he was real. He didnt need to prove anything. And his record sales were fine I dont think hed go through all this just to prove something that was already proved.

Proof 18: Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and they had a coherent conversation? How bad was 2Pac hit?

Disproof:He never said that he had a converation with 2pac he said that he told Pac he was gonna bring him to the hospital and 2pac said why are you worried about me, you got shot in the head, and thats it.

Proof 19: 2pac is shown rapping in the video for "Smile" by scarface.

Disproof: This is not 2pac, its a double who lip synchs. Youll see in the video that they never shopw his face, just his body and the top of his head. he is looking down while he raps. That because the face is not his.

Proof 20:_ In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "N*ggas Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that n*ggas' gonna get what they deserve." _This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released. _ Disproof: One question: If I died and i had said that I was gonna die would anyone think I was alive? Hell no

Proof 21:_In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?

Disproof: If you listened to this song, its obvious that he is not talking about himself, hes talking about the black race.

Proof 22:_In Tupac's song "Ambitionz az a Ridah" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says_"Blast me but they didn't finish, didn't diminish my powers so now I'm back to be a mutha****in' menace, they cowards thats why they tried to set me up, had b*tch *ss n*ggas on my team so indeed they wet me up, BUT I'M BACK REINCARNATED." _This implies that Tupac is reincarnated as Makaveli.

Disproof: 2pac is talking about the NY shooting in '94 and the ***** ass *****z were Biggie and Puffy. The reincarnation was him coming out of jail. he had often said that when he left jail he felt like he had a new life. he also said he felt like he was reincarnated because he should have died from the first shooting.

Proof:In Tupac's song "No More Pain" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation." Could this be a reference to Machievelli or Jesus?

Disproof: Could be, but what does that have to do with him being alive?

I wish he was still alive but he aint. Sorry also in order 4 da 7 day theory 2b true he would have come back last year 2003 september

how many times do i have to say it there was an autopsy look at my other post he is dead

i dont want it to be true but it is and you have to except it.

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kaknelson

R.I.P. Tupac Shakur and R.I.P. Notorious BIG.

Both of your Legonds live on. :innocent::innocent:

Those of you that don't know 2pac was a poetry. Look it up on the internet!

picture for pac fans <<>> and look biggie in the sandbox.

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mongoliandeathworm

well if he was alive dont u think he'd hit us with a little ghetto gospel??? :whistle:

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MID

R.I.P. Tupac Shakur and R.I.P. Notorious BIG.

Both of your Legonds live on. :innocent::innocent:

Those of you that don't know 2pac was a poetry. Look it up on the internet!

picture for pac fans <<>> and look biggie in the sandbox.

"Tupac was a poetry", huh?

Legends...poets? B.I.G. and Sahakur...?

Let's see...

Joni Mitchell. Yea, that's a poet, and an artist, and a musician, and a singer, and... a legend.

Tupac and B.I.G. were none of those things. They didn't live past their mid-20s. Can't be a legend with a 5 year "career" in Gangsta rap which glorifies violence and mysogyny.

These people were no strangers to legal troubles, spent time in prison, dealt and trafficked drugs, etc., etc., and were both "victims" of their own lifestyles.

It's amazing what we call legends anymore.

"I'm smokin' these niggas like they...

"2pac, 2pac.

"I's smokin' these niggas like they...

"2pac, 2pac, 2pack, go ahead and rock..."

"**** all you hoes. Get a grip Mutha ****er..."

Yea, the stuff of legends.

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Chaos18

Tupac is alive, there is no freakin way he is dead with this evidence i have.

Remember the album Makaveli: The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory? it was made in 7 days---and he was supposedly killed on September 7th,,,,,,

rearrange the letters of Makaveli: The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory and you can make the sentence "OK on tha 7th u think I'm dead, yet I'm really alive" ---don't you think that the title of that album looks extremely cryptic? and in the background at the beginning of one of the songs it sounds like he says "Suge shot me"--------you can look in the album for yourself------everything about that album is cryptic, especially the name- and especially since it was recorded right before he 'died' and released right after

His car was shot 7 times, and there was NO funeral, no one has even seen his body since the shooting, he was instantly cremated,,,,,and he always talks about leaving the game in his albums

For people who are so confident that he is dead and buried, there isn't much to be so sure about, there is a biiiig gap in that evidence of his death.

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Tupac is alive, there is no freakin way he is dead with this evidence i have.

Remember the album Makaveli: The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory? it was made in 7 days---and he was supposedly killed on September 7th,,,,,,

rearrange the letters of Makaveli: The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory and you can make the sentence "OK on tha 7th u think I'm dead, yet I'm really alive" ---don't you think that the title of that album looks extremely cryptic? and in the background at the beginning of one of the songs it sounds like he says "Suge shot me"--------you can look in the album for yourself------everything about that album is cryptic, especially the name- and especially since it was recorded right before he 'died' and released right after

His car was shot 7 times, and there was NO funeral, no one has even seen his body since the shooting, he was instantly cremated,,,,,and he always talks about leaving the game in his albums

For people who are so confident that he is dead and buried, there isn't much to be so sure about, there is a biiiig gap in that evidence of his death.

There is no gap in a perfectly adequate autopsy protocol. A coroner, and his or her staff, most certainly saw him after his death, as well a bunch of police officers.

There is also nothing unusual in the violent circumstances surrounding the deaths of people who were at one time (and in some cases certainly...at the times of their violent deaths), criminals, living in a culture which is largely spun around a paradigm of violence.

Some inept lyrical content to a rap "song" is not proof of anything, save that an entire culture has sprung up around this genre of urban rhyme set to innane machine drum tracks, and which has degraded the term "music" by a large degree.

How such people have been granted this mystical quality, as if they're prophets, or great philosophers, or poets (?) is a mystery of modern societal construction that needs some serious analysis.

Bottom line: if this guy were alive, it would be well known. People such as this couldn't possibly live with being out of the public eye. The guy is long dead.

Who cares, one way or the other?

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There is no gap in a perfectly adequate autopsy protocol. A coroner, and his or her staff, most certainly saw him after his death, as well a bunch of police officers.

There is also nothing unusual in the violent circumstances surrounding the deaths of people who were at one time (and in some cases certainly...at the times of their violent deaths), criminals, living in a culture which is largely spun around a paradigm of violence.

Some inept lyrical content to a rap "song" is not proof of anything, save that an entire culture has sprung up around this genre of urban rhyme set to innane machine drum tracks, and which has degraded the term "music" by a large degree.

How such people have been granted this mystical quality, as if they're prophets, or great philosophers, or poets (?) is a mystery of modern societal construction that needs some serious analysis.

Bottom line: if this guy were alive, it would be well known. People such as this couldn't possibly live with being out of the public eye. The guy is long dead.

Who cares, one way or the other?

if you were familiar with Tupac, then you would notice how strange and obscure his last album was, it was unlike any other of his albums, and he never had such a weird album name before, and the numbers that were layed out and coincidently happened in succession were so damn coincidental,,,,,,,

now, if you were going to disappear from fame, how else would you do it? it wouldn't be so different from Tupac's way, he just left out clues for his fans that payed close attention, and yet left it so people still assumed him dead,,,, would you have done it any different?

i keep hearing about how this person was at the autopsy, and yet there is no real evidence other than the person's word- all the evidence i need is in his final album he recorded before his death

if you guys actually listened to Tupac Shakur's music, then you'd know how poetic he is, rather than dismissing him as just another ghetto thug,,, this guy has never been attacked or arrested before he became famous, then after he's rich and famous he get's beaten by the cops, gets shot 5 times and beaten on the ground, and then the car shooting-----the first time being by policemen, which he tried to sue,, explaining why he hates the authorities so much,,, and he was completely betrayed by his friends, explaining why he keeps mentioning betrayal-- if that happened to you, you'd be pretty p***ed too

now if he didn't fake his death, he'd eventually get killed anyways, do you guys know how violent Suge Knight is? he hanged Vanilla Ice over a building edge------Tupac could foresee Suge assassinating him- because he was planning to leave DeathRow- and Tupac even says it at the beginning of his song in his final album, in the very first track, if you listen closely to the background in the first 3 seconds, you can hear something like "suge shot me"

now when Suge says he didn't kill Tupac, he could be telling the truth- he didn't get a chance to shoot him, Tupac was ahead of him

i mean, don't you think it's weird that he was shot on the 7th, and died on friday the 13th? especially right after recording The 7 Day Theory

now, all signs point towards this, what do you want to hear? you want him to freakin record on the track saying "everybody, i'm faking my death"- he's trying to cover it up, and leave clues at the same time, he can't leave anymore clues- or it'd be even more rough for him to hide from the public- he left the clues because he loves his fans

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scoobysnack

Come on MID these guys were great at what they did. Check out the lyrics from dead wrong

I’m shootin babies, no ifs ands or maybes

Hit mummy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy

Slit the wrist of little sis

After she sucked the dick, I stabbed her brother with the icepick

Because he wanted me to **** him from the back

But smalls don’t get down like that

Got your father hidin in a room; ****ed him with the broom

Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound

Who you think you’re dealin with?

Anybody step into my path is ****** feelin it!

Hardcore, I got it sucked like a *****

Stab ya til you’re gushy, so please don’t push.. me

I’m using rubbers so they won’t trace the semen

The black demon, got the little hookers screamin

Because you know I love it young, fresh and green

With no hair in between, know what I mean?

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/notorious-b.i.g./101836.html

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Chaos18

In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autopsy.

Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power.

i found that information elsewhere

and there's a new album by a new rapper called Blac Haze, on the cover it says Res-sa-rec-shun,,,,,,this guy sounds alot like Tupac to me-----and this one song, Exit Makaveli, Enter Blac Haze-------that is so suspicious

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MID

Come on MID these guys were great at what they did. Check out the lyrics from dead wrong

I’m shootin babies, no ifs ands or maybes

Hit mummy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy

Slit the wrist of little sis

After she sucked the dick, I stabbed her brother with the icepick

Because he wanted me to **** him from the back

But smalls don’t get down like that

Got your father hidin in a room; ****ed him with the broom

Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound

Who you think you’re dealin with?

Anybody step into my path is ****** feelin it!

Hardcore, I got it sucked like a *****

Stab ya til you’re gushy, so please don’t push.. me

I’m using rubbers so they won’t trace the semen

The black demon, got the little hookers screamin

Because you know I love it young, fresh and green

With no hair in between, know what I mean?

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/notorious-b.i.g./101836.html

Geez, Scoob...

I had no idea. Really!

How profound...how lyrical...how filled with metaphor and that subtle sense of spirit.

I stand corrected!

:wacko:

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MID

In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autopsy.

Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power.

i found that information elsewhere

and there's a new album by a new rapper called Blac Haze, on the cover it says Res-sa-rec-shun,,,,,,this guy sounds alot like Tupac to me-----and this one song, Exit Makaveli, Enter Blac Haze-------that is so suspicious

They don't cremate anyone the day after death when there's an autoposy. In a shooting, there must be one, and there was in this case, of course. That can be done in a matter of hours, which it was.

All this crazy numerological stuff...Friday the 13th, 7-Day Theory, etc....all typical mechanics utilized to sensationalize, popularize, and keep people in the public attention post-death. Elvis lives, etc. Silly stuff; coincidence that can be fabricated and derived surrounding the lives of almost anyone.

If one wants to disappear from fame, one simply quits and does something else. Many a famed artist has done that. Cat Stevens (a real artist) did that quite suddenly in 1978..simply quit.

Look, this guy grew up in impoverished inner-city circumstances. His Mother was in prison while pregnant with him, his step-father sold drugs. He sold drugs, he was involved with all sorts of violent incidents and was convicted of sexual assault and served prison time himself...all before he was 25 years old. Savory, indeed, but not all too unusual given his background, and the endeavor he was involved in.

Everyone posesses talent in some way. Everyone posesses intelligence in some way as well. This guy may have had some dreams, some intelligence, some drive, certainly. He spent long hours in the studio drinking and smoking dope. Dedication...

He chose rap, a bad deal. A criminally infested, bereft field of endeavor that has struggled to legitimize itself as music for years. He was provided a bullet proof vest BY HIS RECORD COMPANY, and carried guns.

What in hell does anyone need any of that for?

You said it all: "If he didn't fake his death, he'd get killed anyway."

Unfortunately, that's probably correct. Somewhat tragic, certainly, but it's the life he chose. It's also the death he chose.

I am certain his contributions will be remembered for centuries, like many other great musical minds. Bach, Beethoven, Motzart....2pac. yea, I can see that!

The guy's dead. If you want to occupy yourself with the silly notion that this guy was somehow prophetic, and that he did something other than get rich in a field of endeavor that is populated with some of the lowest of the low, be my guest. It's a waste of time, but that's your choice.

:wacko:

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"Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power"

Do i really have to say any more?

I just got done listening to one of his songs, he was rapping about how he wanted to retire, but it wasn't that easy---not only that song, but he constantly mentions it, constantly, what? do you think it's just background noise what he's talking about? And on the last album he recorded before his 'death' had him crucified like Jesus on the cross, think, Jesus died and was resurrected.

EDIT: not to mention, Makaveli: Don Killuminati 7 Day Theory is an anagram for "Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet I'm really alive"

and the night he was shot was the only night he never wore his bullet proof vest

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MID

Do i really have to say any more?

No, I don't think you have to say anything more.

I think you've said everything that needs to be said.

I believe you have painted a very clear picture of where you're at.

OK, he's alive!

I believe you...!

No point in arguing with an "expert"...

:wacko:

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Geez, Scoob...

I had no idea. Really!

How profound...how lyrical...how filled with metaphor and that subtle sense of spirit.

I stand corrected!

:wacko:

:lol: I thought you would get a kick out of that. it'a actually one of my favorite songs.

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:lol: I thought you would get a kick out of that. it'a actually one of my favorite songs.

:D

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if you were familiar with Tupac, then you would notice how strange and obscure his last album was, it was unlike any other of his albums, and he never had such a weird album name before, and the numbers that were layed out and coincidently happened in succession were so damn coincidental,,,,,,,

now, if you were going to disappear from fame, how else would you do it? it wouldn't be so different from Tupac's way, he just left out clues for his fans that payed close attention, and yet left it so people still assumed him dead,,,, would you have done it any different?

i keep hearing about how this person was at the autopsy, and yet there is no real evidence other than the person's word- all the evidence i need is in his final album he recorded before his death

if you guys actually listened to Tupac Shakur's music, then you'd know how poetic he is, rather than dismissing him as just another ghetto thug,,, this guy has never been attacked or arrested before he became famous, then after he's rich and famous he get's beaten by the cops, gets shot 5 times and beaten on the ground, and then the car shooting-----the first time being by policemen, which he tried to sue,, explaining why he hates the authorities so much,,, and he was completely betrayed by his friends, explaining why he keeps mentioning betrayal-- if that happened to you, you'd be pretty p***ed too

now if he didn't fake his death, he'd eventually get killed anyways, do you guys know how violent Suge Knight is? he hanged Vanilla Ice over a building edge------Tupac could foresee Suge assassinating him- because he was planning to leave DeathRow- and Tupac even says it at the beginning of his song in his final album, in the very first track, if you listen closely to the background in the first 3 seconds, you can hear something like "suge shot me"

now when Suge says he didn't kill Tupac, he could be telling the truth- he didn't get a chance to shoot him, Tupac was ahead of him

i mean, don't you think it's weird that he was shot on the 7th, and died on friday the 13th? especially right after recording The 7 Day Theory

now, all signs point towards this, what do you want to hear? you want him to freakin record on the track saying "everybody, i'm faking my death"- he's trying to cover it up, and leave clues at the same time, he can't leave anymore clues- or it'd be even more rough for him to hide from the public- he left the clues because he loves his fans

so its suge is the reason he faked his death emmm seems strange he got shot in suges car, it would have to be one hell of a make up job to pretend he's been shot, oh i've got a theory for u tupac and suge beat the crap out of a rival gang member at the tyson fight then the rival gang member goes and gets a gun comes back and shoots him outside

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Belive me. he is alive. If he doesn't come back in 2007 he is dead. Here me theory. Please take your time to read it. If you a real pac fan youll read it. After reading this, u will be convinced he is alive.

2pac’s Alive theory

Here is hard earned evidence NoGrapes Did. Its LONG as ****, but if your a true Pac fan, you'll read it.

This is three part theory .... if you read it all, you'll see things that will blow your mind..

here is the first three parts that were all started as seperate threads all rolled up in one for your reading pleasure: (It’s long so you might want to read it one part at a time but once you start I doubt you’ll be able to stop)

Part I:

For those who may not know, or may have forgotten my belief is simple [well not exactly ] I believe the attempted assassination of Tupac Shakur was apart of an on-going plot [set-up etc] that involves the following people: The New York Black Mafia[Puffy], Agents working both for the FBI and another "unknown" organization, and Marion "suge" Knight[and the various people who worked for him etc] But those three main people together. Whether directly or indirectly had apart in the "assassination" of Tupac.

Let me start off my "theory" with some very important quotes from the open letter, written by Dr. Mutulu Shakur.

"Surely, the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sept. 7, 1996"--Shakur

"AFENI and I have never supported a Crip vs Blood feud as presented by the Las Vegas Police concerning our son's assassination. And, I have always pushed the "Codes of the Thug Life"--Shakur

"If our familys'(SHAKURS) lack of response to rumors and allegations contributed to any confusion as to what principle we stand on; let it be known and clear!! We do not believe in COINCIDENCES."

"Tupac in his Makaveli record clearly changed his wrongful view of who shot him and who was heading it in New York, and why?"

For those who may have forgot, I asked many times "why do you guys think BIGGIE's name was not mentioned on the Makaveli album?"

"Tupac revised his wrongful(stance) against Biggies' involvement concerning his shooting in New York. And he wanted his "Fans" to know it."--Shakur

-But does Tupac mention the Black Mafia? YES KING TUT!

-But does Tupac mention Puffy? Yes he does!

-But does Tupac mention the Feds? Yes he does!

-But does Tupac mention Suge?...YES HE ****** DOES! "SUGE SHOT ME" IS WHAT YOU HEAR, DON'T LET SOMEONE FOOL YOU INTO THINKIN' OTHERWISE. To be continued...

Part II

I was planning to dive right into the "investigative" aspect of my theory, but I have decided to save it for the conclusion [parts 6 & 7]. Part II is going to explain: (1) How I think Tupac survived; (2) Whom I believe helped him do it (3) Why this is all necessary [motivation], and (4) What I think the last piece of the puzzle is.

I. The Black Liberation Army (BLA) helped Tupac "evade" death. I. BLA Commander & Chief John Thomas No Facts and No specific data is revealed regarding the activity of the BLA in order to protect people who are either functioning in the BLA [Tupac] or who have been apart of it. (The BLA is basically a secret underground, not many people believe they are still "active" "The Black Liberation Army is a politico-military organization, whose primary objective is to fight for the independence and self- determination of Afrikan, and other oppressed people in the United States."

"BPP-BLA, "comrade"Assata Shakur was liberated, and BLA soldiers were captured during Nyack Brinks armored car expropriation [Mutulu Shakur was one of them the "mastermind"]

I. Understand These terms: COMRADE, and MASTERMIND.

Definition of Mastermind : A highly intelligent person, especially one who plans and directs a complex or difficult project.

A. Know that Tupac is both a comrade and a mastermind. Take note of his only uses of the word came at the "end" in the Makaveli album etc...Various times he mentions "his" comrades, we also hear speeches from some mixed in with songs, he mentions Sekou Odinga [Yafeu Fulu's father], Geronimo Pratt, Mutulu, Mumia etc as his equals.

I. The Murder of BLA Commander John Thomas in September 1996 [in Las Vegas, NV] as well as Dr. Mutulu's statement from "part I" ["Surely, the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sept. 7, 1996"--] is more than enough "evidence" to me, that Agents were present. [Remember the MURDER TAPE? Well, it was

first introduced to you all as a "SURVEILLANCE VIDEO" How many times has Tupac stated that he was "under Surveillance" by the feds? About a dozen! [more on that later]

Tupac had a plan for that night, he knew going to Vegas was unavoidable [it is a common fact that he repeatedly told Suge he didn't want to go]. However he didn't go alone his Comrades [who waited anxiously to attack the first Agents they saw] were watching Tupac. Agents concerned with the assassination "stopped" the BMW [if you recall, the excuse was "loud music"] in order to create a change of plans, you see Tupac never expected to get shot that night, he planned to go to WAR! But something happened and I'm not sure what, but John Thomas ended up dead, and Tupac was successfully "shot 4x" [lord knows what else they did] ***warlike codes are dispatched to other comrades...MAU MAU UNTIS*** "RIDE OR DIE- RIDE OR DIE! Do you know what it means? It means: "the enemy is here kill or be killed" Javana Thomas : the 19-yr. old daughter of John and Ignae Thomas was "undercover" as a Paramedic. [Who called for an ambulance? They say it was metro bike cops, but they never identified those men so they are full of sh** in my opinion besides I like my theory much better, and I can prove half of it.] Javana arrived to the location with another comrade, no one suspected anything, and they took Tupac away in an ambulance! All I know is Tupac got to the hospital, and Javana was found dead in a medical uniform! [Fact or fiction? Go to your local library and look up old newspaper articles] it is my belief that the mystery "paramedics" were BLA souljahs.

Part II will be continued...

There are so many theories out there on who killed tupac. My theory is quite simple and to the point. Anyone who knows anything about COINTELPRO would easily see this as another one of the governments plots to create dissention amongst black people. See, I see it like this. The government at some level was involved in the death of our comrade. By assassinating Bro. Tupac, this would cause an all out war from east to west. They used tupacs anger towards east coast rappers as a stiulus to create a war amongst us. If the US can find a microchip in a truckload of sugar, surely they can find those responsible. There are cameras all over Las Vegas yet not one was in the vicinity of the shooting? Conviently all the evidence pointed to Orlando( the beating victim earlier that evening). And then he was killed.

Then we look at the murder of Yaki Khaddafi in New Jersey. You have to look at alot of things to understand what is going on. If this was all an operation to help tupac avoided prison in NEw york and to leave death row..The Black Liberation Army is the one group who could've made it happen.

I agree with you to a certain degree, but I think you are not

understanding that Tupac was very close to, and apart of the Black Liberation Army [the new generation, he is commander now. Code of Arms: THUG LIFE The BLA [Tupac] did make it happen. note: JohnThomas, and Ignae Thomas took care of Sekiyma Shakur [pac's lil sis] when Afeni started using drugs. Tupac went on about his career [early days Digital Underground etc] He went to Atlanta to get "Training" from Mr. John Thomas himself. They're all one big extended family of "souljahs" just want to make that clear, because sounds like your not sure if the "BLA" would have been involved, and Tupac is the BLA.

Part II continues now.... [investigative aspect].

"The day of his death, "I Ain't Mad at Cha" and "Life Goes On" are

released, both of which talk about his death. According to Chris Reid, "I

Ain't Mad at Cha" talks about forgiving a friend who was present at his

death, possibly set him up. Yeah, whassup Suge? Everybody know you killed

his ass, but only I know you just tried to."

A "drive by" is defined as: when shots are fired from a "moving" vehicle.

There was no drive by, because the vehicle was not moving, and the

assailant (s) got out of the vehicle. So why was the BMW shot so many times if the shooter had direct contact? Because it was suppose to look like a drive by. Why was Tupac found in the back seat? If he moved in the back seat and they sprayed the car that much with him and suge still in it, then how the **** was he hit only 4x and suge not at all? Common sense.

The shooter got out of the vehicle, the vehicle was not moving...[it is a fact, not a belief, that the shooter approached the car, suge said that himself [he slipped up].] Tupac got his finger shot or cut off [it was missing how exactly has not yet been determined] how do we know it's missing? Interview with rapper Yo-Yo Reports from David Pugh of UMC [newspaper articles from 1996 with comments from the director of media relations stated he had several wounds including a missing middle finger] His injuries imply that there was some type of struggle.

09/1996 Tupac stayed at the Luxor Hotel. After the incident with "Orlando

Anderson" he went back to his room, he was upset because he was suppose to meet up with the outlawz, but they didn't show!!!

How do we know this? A worker at the Luxor Hotel told reporters of Tupac's odd behavior, she said " he came to the front desk more than 5 times in 30 mins asking if his friends came looking for him or left a message, even after I told him no he said, "are you sure?" I would say he was a little paranoid or nervous about something."

Yassmyn Fulu on the [remaining] outlawz, "That's blood in my eye" shesays, "blood in my eye" If you don't know what it means, it means betrayal, but so deep that now she wants revenge, she sees only their blood.

Why didn't the outlawz meet Tupac at the MGM? LOL damn!!! Fear is stronger than love, however, comrade Kadafi is different, he was aware and was purposely held back from getting to where pac was. Even witness's say Kadafi was on the other side of the hospital lobby when the rest of the Outlawz were on the opposite, why did he keep his distance? He knew sh** was foul, guess what guys? THAT'S WHY HE IS DEAD! You think he was gonna be quiet? that's Tupac's family [the people involved in the movement considered themselves one big family, thats why yaki and pac grew up so close, plus for those who ain't knowin' SEKOU ODINGA, member of the BLA, in prison for life is yaki's father! so the feds wanted him too...

Tupac got ****ed over big time.

Suge Knight would have been clear if he wouldn't have got greedy, because of his greed tupac figured out what was really going on... Tupac made a call to Yassmyn Fulu to set up the down payment for the new building that was suppose to house Euthanasia records...Yassmyn calls pac back..

"There is no money in your account"

"what" Tupac is p***ed, REASON WHY THE CONTRACT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MOVIE [RESURRECTION] ...is because he was suppose to be paid "1 million advance for 3 albums, un-refundable and due upon signing [sept 16, 1995]

"1.5 million for publishing [Tupac wrote all his lyrics]

"$500,000 due upon receiving "R U still down"

"$500,000 due upon receiving "untitled final album" [which of course was later called Makaveli: the don killuminati 7 day theory]

"For Tupac A. Shakur Total amounts paid shall be $4.75 million for 3 albums [2.25 refundable] with the following projects add 1 million each: "Live to Tell" [screenplay]

"Before I sign these things must be included and the changes must be made. The option clause must be voluntary" [all figures from actual contract] Tupac FIRED David Kenner...and then he thought! He thought long and hard...

Suge is my friend why would he not pay me? etc etc etc," Tupac started putting sh** together thinking about everything...he tested suge...

"I think im gonna go to Atlanta work things out with my family..."

"No you have to come to Vegas man...."

Something else to ponder: the reason why Tupac stayed "alive" so long is because Suge is greedy, he liked the money Tupac was making for him, but he was suppose to get rid of him ASAP [ha! That' why it didn't work, he took to long] Everything got rushed, because pac fired david kenner and officially LEFT death row, Suge knew he had to hurry up and do it while people assumed they were so "close" that way most people wouldn't think of him as a suspect because he was a "friend" but if this would have went down... say in September of 1997 and pac had his own company up and running with no more ties to death row...he would be looked at differently..don't even let me get started on Travon Lane he really ****ed up by going to club 662 [ which is really derived from the California penal code for death row [662], not the letters m.o.b from the telephone key pad ] tray got to the club and told people "pac just got shot by that crip we jumped earlier at the MGM, baby lane [orlando anderson] hence, he began spreading their "alibi"

lol someone please explain how in the hell Tray knew that? When #1 they said they didn't see the shooters [they lied] #2 Suge lied because he said he didn't know who shot pac or have any idea, #3 plus everyone who was following behind the BMW was held at the scene by the police..so how did tray, buntry, neckbone, and heron [who just so happened to be riding all in one car together [ 4 men!!] get away?

How did they get away? why weren't they held? how? why? impossible! They did it! thats how they got away!, Tupac was caught off guard cos the people who pulled up next to him were familiar faces!!! BUNTRY is no blood he is a member of the BOUNTY KILLAS they are known for killing anyone for a price!!!

**** That was just a couple of key points I wanted to make before continuing on with my "theory" it is important that you keep the above information in mind while i continue on with my theory, otherwise you will get confused. This is a very complex theory and im doing my best to explain it as clear as possible.

“One person's theory is another's statement of the facts”

I put a lot of time into the theories I write. I spend countless hours gathering correct dates, and specific facts to back up the majority of what I say, and for that reason I tend to be extremely sensitive to any opposition that is not also supported with substantial evidence. My theory differs from that of others because I believe it 100%. I really cannot stress the amount of appreciation I have for you all that take the time to read my thoughts, findings, and facts.

Part III of my theory continues

“To go underground is very difficult. Whatever made you unique as a person, you have to change all of that and become somebody totally different you are out of contact with your family.” —Former BLA member.

As I have stated in part II of my theory I believe Tupac Shakur has gone “underground” that does not imply going under the earth or anything of that nature. The meaning of going underground is what the above ^ quote suggests: that a person must change himself or herself, physically, mentally, and emotionally including the use of false identification, however, one may suggest it may be a lot easier to just “fake your death.”

Was Tupac shot 9/7/96?

Yes.

Did Tupac die 9/13/96?

No.

In his song “Hold Ya Head” from the DK7 album He says, “…Running from the authorities until they capture me... and my aim is to spread more smiles than tears, utilize lessons learned from my childhood years.” [Note: Every BLA member who has been underground has stayed put until they were captured. But this doesn't mean we wont ever see Tupac again. i.e. Mutulu Shakur [stepfather of Tupac] underground for 5yrs until captured in 1985, Sekou Odinga [father of Yafeu Fula] underground for 12yrs until he was captured…] In that quote did Tupac not say that he was going to “utilize lessons learned from his childhood?” If you recall during his childhood he was around members of the BLA, BPP, and RNA (Black Liberation Army, Black Panther Party, and Republic of New Afrikans)

Another thing, Tupac often mentions in his songs: “...Conversations with comrades kicking [speaking] Swahili” Does he really know how to speak Swahili? It is possible, not to mention the likeliness of him being in Africa is very high considering comrade Geronimo Pratt [his god father and once minister of defense for the BPP] now lives there; or how about Cuba with comrade Assata Shakur? But then again that is where everyone would expect him to be. More than likely Tupac is here in the “Good ol’ USA”

Many things were reported about Tupac’s “death” something’s true and the rest, of course, false. Tupac Shakur was shot four times in Las Vegas, NV on September 7, 1996 and died seven days later on September 13th. Part of that sentence was correct, Tupac was shot, but it wasn’t Tupac who died. The media failed, like usual to report the more important findings surrounding this assassination attempt. How many people are aware of the “plot” to rid the world of Tupac Shakur? Not many. This plot was executed by Marion “suge” Knight, and financed and arranged by the highest-ranking socialites of corporate and political America (not to mention the aid of Government Agents, Informants, and the leeway of the Mafia).

Tupac Shakur has always been active politically. Other than his art (acting and rapping) he was planning the rebirth of all the “underdogs” in America. He devised a plan to transform the street thug into a street soldier. He notice that no one in government wanted to deal with the problems in the urban ghettos. He realized the potential in the young men society had thrown away.

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He knew there was a way to change the mentality of those involved in the street hustle. “I think gangs can be positive, it just has to be organized and without violence.” He developed a code of ethics for all people engaged in criminal activity (drug dealers, gang banger’s etc) to live by with hopes of rebuilding urban communities, eliminating black on black and all racial motivated violence, provide strength and economic stability into the community by maintaining black owned business’ instead of drug dealing, and he made plans to reform the education system. Tupac would frequently invoke the names of Mutulu, Geronimo, and other "political prisoners" in his lyrics. "It was like their words with my voice," he said. "I just continued where they left off. I tried to add spark to it, I tried to be the new breed, the new generation. I tried to make them proud of me." But, at the same time, he did not want to be them. Their revolution, and in most cases their lives, too, were ashes. Tupac saw a problem plaguing his generation: self-destruction. In order to CHANGE the future he needed a movement that would focus on some sort of law or codes people involved in crime could live by in order to eventually turn them into productive citizens in their communities. His movement was [is] called “T.H.U.G L.I.F.E” (The Hate You Gave Little Infants ****s Everyone)

He believed with all his heart this movement called “ THUG LIFE” had a chance. When the top Gangster’s began listening and telling Tupac they would follow his lead-this scared various parties of government; they saw in Tupac what they feared in Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton and others-they saw a Revolutionary. Seeing how Tupac outlasted the Media Assault waged against him, and how he was having a positive and powerful effect on inner cities all around America they became intent on eliminating him. They wanted to do a way with Tupac in a fashion that was old-fashion [assassination] and guaranteed to work without any connection to them and the crime. That is were the Entertainment Industry comes in. The “establishment” or “powers that be” have more ties to the entertainment business than anyone. This plot involved Agents, Gangster’s, CEOs, Informants, Politicians, and crooked Cops all working in conjunction to assassinate Tupac Shakur. The establishment all the way down to the actual triggermen underestimated Tupac Shakur’s intelligence, prophetic instincts, and determination. Since the first shooting in 1994 Tupac received death threats, after discovering money owed to him was not paid by Suge Knight [Death Row Records] the connection between his known enemies and those he did not know was realized.

I KNOW YOU ALL ARE CURIOUS AS TO HOW TUPAC SHAKUR “FOOLED HIS ENEMIES”

THE FOLLOWING IS A SECTION OF THE “ALIVE ASPECT” PORTION OF THE THEORY

While researching his role [Tupac plays a heroin attack] for the movie Gridlock’d, Tupac spent a lot of time in hospitals visiting heroin addicts. It was at Bellflower Medical Center [9542 E Artesia Blvd, Bellflower, CA Los Angeles county] that Tupac met Devan Clark a young man addicted to heroin and slowly dying of Aids. Tupac as well as other people at the center were surprised at the strong resemblance the two of them shared. Tupac spoke with Devan who admitted to being a long time fan he promised Devan he would return at a later date to listen to his story. Tupac would keep his promise as he returned to Devan, but this time he was aware of the plot on his life and wanted to include Devan in his plan to evade death. He asked Devan if he ever heard of a medical procedure called Euthanasia [Euthanasia is defined as the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy] Tupac then offered Devan a proposition: “Give your life, which is gone already, for your family to have as much money as they need for the rest of their lives.” At that point Tupac told Devan about the plot on his life and who he believed was behind it, he explained that he wasn’t exactly sure when the attempt would take place, but if he survived he planned to go away, to fake his death and he wanted to use his body to represent his own knowing there would be no way to avoid the police from wanting to see his dead body. He told Devan he would be cremated so that after the initial finger printing they could never view the body again (It is my belief that Devan Clark accepted Tupac’s proposition).

Now understand the clue on the inside of the Makaveli DK7 cover with the 3 fingerprints. The coroner takes a minimum of 3 of the deceased fingers and fingerprints for identification. You also see a fingerprint in the album R U Still Down Remember Me. This is also a clue to let us know he has gone underground. “false identification”

How did Tupac get his fingerprints on Devon Clark? it was not as hard as it may sound, actually the task was probably as easy as an egg of Silly Putty. Silly Putty is a combination of boric acid and silicone oil, and can be used to lift fingerprints. If you put silly putty onto your fingers and then carefully peel the mold and replace it on the hand of another person, it is possible for you to successfully plant your fingerprints onto them. [Try it! Its kind of fun, you also need a ink pad]

For Tupac they used something very similar a combination of boric acid, silicone oil, and liquid latex to form a very light clear mold in which his fingerprints were transferred onto Devon Clark [the mold has to be burned or melted onto the flesh.

The BLA is more than capable of assisting Tupac [their prince] I’ve already proved that Commander John Thomas was in Las Vegas during that time, as well as many other underground comrades.

The End

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MID

Thank God it's "The End"..

The plot to rid the world of Tupac Shakur?

FBI, Agents, CEOs, Politicians involved?

You equate this guy to Dr. King?

Where does this stuff come from? As if anyone cared (beyond the people in the rap world) about Tupak Shakur! The guy grew up in a violent, nasty urban environment, got involved in an "entertainment" field spawned by that environment and which feeds that enviornment, and, like so many other members of that particular group of people, made lots of money with little talent, got in trouble, and died violently as a result of that involvement.

How anyone can equate someone like this to artists, poets, prophets, musicians (?) or anyone of any real influence is beyond me, and thinking that the FBI, "agents" (CIA no doubt), politicians, or CEOs gave a hoot about him is just ludicrous.

He was a flash in the pan. A few years, said **** alot, and got killed.

Must have been a plot...and the world no doubt would've been a better place if he had lived...

:wacko:

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arkland

It is possible for Tupac to still be alive, but faking his own death is possible because he may of been sick of the the life he lived and he would always live that life if he was alive. If he faked his death and went somewere in peace he could live how he wanted.

Plus theres actually no real proof the body in the morgue was actually him

GOD FINALY THANK YOU these people dont belive cause they havent researched it like me just look up tupac and there will be tuns of stuff like videos that give ALOT of proof hes alive

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arkland

I know Tupac is working at Burger King in Chitown, cooking fries while Elvis works the grill. The mgr. is Jim Morrison, and its owned by JFK.

lol :rofl::rofl:

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mypaddedroom

OH Man GOOD THING I FOUND THIS THREAD!!!

TUPAC IS ALIVE I THINK NOT! I mean I hate to debate on this I honestly wish people would just let him rest in peace for once and stop questioning this. If he was alive today music would be so different.

If you listen to rap you know what I mean.

Tuapac would tell so many rappers off today for their actions if he were alive he could not just sit back and watch the music industry.

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There is no gap in a perfectly adequate autopsy protocol. A coroner, and his or her staff, most certainly saw him after his death, as well a bunch of police officers.

There is also nothing unusual in the violent circumstances surrounding the deaths of people who were at one time (and in some cases certainly...at the times of their violent deaths), criminals, living in a culture which is largely spun around a paradigm of violence.

Some inept lyrical content to a rap "song" is not proof of anything, save that an entire culture has sprung up around this genre of urban rhyme set to innane machine drum tracks, and which has degraded the term "music" by a large degree.

How such people have been granted this mystical quality, as if they're prophets, or great philosophers, or poets (?) is a mystery of modern societal construction that needs some serious analysis.

Bottom line: if this guy were alive, it would be well known. People such as this couldn't possibly live with being out of the public eye. The guy is long dead.

Who cares, one way or the other?

Edit to remove profanities.

You have been suspended for this post, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such an outburst. You are no longer welcome at this forum.

Edited by Fluffybunny

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MID

MID you're a ****ing retard son of a b$tch. Get the **** out of this discussion. We are not discussing if Tupac was a good rapper or not so get you're f**got nerd ass out of here and go listen to your "yuppy" music...and go **** yourself too. AMEN everyone!

:wacko:

Ah, another example of keen intelligence...and verbal skills too!

No one is discussing whether Mr. Tupac was a "good" rapper or not. I thought we were discussing whether he was dead or not. Somehow the discussion gravitated into his status as some sort of prophetically wise man...which of course is silliness.

But the real issue is that you've made 1 post, and will probably be banned for it...should a moderator get a load of your colorful, inept, and cowardly tirade.

What is "yuppy music" anyway?

:wacko:

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:wacko:

Ah, another example of keen intelligence...and verbal skills too!

No one is discussing whether Mr. Tupac was a "good" rapper or not. I thought we were discussing whether he was dead or not. Somehow the discussion gravitated into his status as some sort of prophetically wise man...which of course is silliness.

But the real issue is that you've made 1 post, and will probably be banned for it...should a moderator get a load of your colorful, inept, and cowardly tirade.

What is "yuppy music" anyway?

:wacko:

i think he loves tupac

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The Doctor

i think he loves tupac

Really? lol :P

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