Ben Rich, Former Head of Lockheed Skunk Works

[amehrich]

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”

Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

I actually have the entire speech on video....very....interesting, he died shortly after...imagine that

Have you been able to put the video into digital format (ie mpeg, avi)?

[Twitch98]

I research and write stories about historical aerial combat and in one of my books about Lockheed someone, I forget who from Lockheed, is quoted as casually mentioning the company's "experience with Mach 7 flight." Of course unless the fabled Aurora, the alleged successor to the SR-71, exists the fastest plane in atmospheric flight is the Mach 3 Lockheed SR-71. Huh?

I have spent countless hours interviewing pilots and a couple have been told by close friends with clearance on black projects simply that "we have things that are 50 years ahead of what you see now," to paraphrase.

[contactismade]

That philips guy looks like Spicoli's teacher from fast times.

Edited September 21, 2006 by contactismade

[Mr. Schwabe]

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”

Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

I actually have the entire speech on video....very....interesting, he died shortly after...imagine that

Yeah, Dr. Greer has mentioned this quote a few times on radio shows. An extroadinary quote from an extraordinary man indeed.

And yes- stop teasing us - you should get your VHS converted to a digital file format. Or find someone who can do this for you and upload it asap !

[Colbert Nation]

The guy who claims to have the tape has been "banned"....maybe this should thread should move to the conspiracy section.

[amehrich]

The guy who claims to have the tape has been "banned"....maybe this should thread should move to the conspiracy section.

On top of that the email he setup his account with is no longer valid. I got that bit of information from the webmaster of the site. Talk about being erased.

[xstortionist]

he got banned because he said he'd send someone a copy of the VHS he has. That is against the law and I'm sure that's the reason behind him getting the Boot.

[dmurdock36]

I can imagine some pretty crazy stuff...usually envolves cheerleaders and midgets...but still...they must know EVERYTHING

I wanna hear more about the cheerleaders and midgets wonder how much funding that gets

[John Q Conundrum]

Well, all funnies aside, there remains one true fact in all this that we can infer is amazing at least.

The SR-71. The only aircraft we know of that can sustain self-powered speeds of Mach 3+, which is amazing to ponder- was conceived in the EARLY 1950's!! It was built and could do that way back then and we never even knew a thing until to 1980's.

Imagine what they have now, which we won't know about for 30-50 years! Keep in mind that technology has advanced exponentially in the last 50 years to boot.

[wbones1]

I believe him, because if anyone knows what they government has in regards to technology he would.

[RabidCat]

I did work (as R&D engineer, through a company I worked at) for Lockheed. They had rather extreme conditions, unheard of at that time, such as a 1/2 cubic inch power supply that was tested -50 C to 120 C and required no greater than 5mV drift; another was a PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) device capable of handling far greater analog data than any current A-D converter, and it was required to withstand 20,000g 3 axis. Other devices have yet to be declassified, and so I can't describe those. This was 1972-1974.

Later, through other companies, I worked on other super hi tech stuff, most of which I cannot describe due to classification.

Trust me, there were devices we had access to from the time I started (1972) that are still not seen in the commercial sector. Some of the computers, for instance, utilized clock speeds so far above standard logic we had to design translation boards to use these in high end military craft such as the F16. Some of the logic we used was capable of clock rates in the microwave range of frequency (10.2 GHz), 35 years ago.

In the 1990s, the Works was still demanding extraordinary specifications. I haven't worked in that part of the field since 1996, but I'm absolutely certain that they still do the same type of operation.

This computer I'm on is one of the faster ones available, but it can't hold a candle to some of the stuff I've used. Orders of magnitude faster and more capable.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised at finding the man's statement to be true.

[wbones1]

from "Area 51 - the Dreamland Chronicles" by David Darlington

[ Jim Goodall : ] "Ben Rich told me twice before he died: 'We have things at Area 51 that you and the best

minds in the world won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years, and won't be made

public for another 50.' A friend of mine at Lockheed told me: 'We have things in the Nevada desert that

are alien to your way of thinking -- far beyond anything you see on Star Trek.' One time I

interviewed a retired senior master sergeant who had been at Groom Lake three different times as an Air

Force safety specialist. ... At first he was real nervous, but when he warmed up he told me: 'We have things

that would make George Lucas envious.' I know one retired guy who worked at Lockheed for 30

years, most of the time at Area 51 ; he's very proud of what he's done, and he wants the story of the place

to be told so that his grandchildren will have some idea of what he was involved in. In the summer of '86 I

asked him if he believes in UFOs. He said, 'They absolutely, positively do exist !' I said, 'Can you

expand on that?' And he said, 'No, I've said too much as it is.' "

[tested1]

See, these are the things that make me wonder... When I read of confirmation (Even as vague and/or unverifiable as some of these quotes) that our military is involved in projects decades beyond what we currently see on the market, I cannot help but wonder if all the ufo's and sightings are not really just military projects.

Sure, I know this has probably been beat to death i nthese forums, but it really is frustrating not knowing what to believe. Part of me reads the reports (I do my best to stick to the accounts that have multiple reputable witnesses) and thinks "Wow, these craft are far beyond anything man could design!" But then when I hear of quotes referencing vehicles that would put modern sci fi to shame, I have to wonder just how far we've really progressed?

Someone made the comment earlier about the SR-71 Blackbird being designed in the 50's.... Ok guys, tack on another 50 years of product evolution and breakthroughs, and you have to wonder what we are flying around in...

Overall, I am a person who absolutely despises not knowing the truth about something. I love a good mystery, but I very quickly get to the point where I am downright frustrated and want answers. I find questions such as these to be the most viscous circle of all, as I genuinely fear that we will never know the full truth.

What I wouldn't give for 10 minutes of honesty from someone in the know!

from "Area 51 - the Dreamland Chronicles" by David Darlington

[ Jim Goodall : ] "Ben Rich told me twice before he died: 'We have things at Area 51 that you and the best

minds in the world won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years, and won't be made

public for another 50.' A friend of mine at Lockheed told me: 'We have things in the Nevada desert that

are alien to your way of thinking -- far beyond anything you see on Star Trek.' One time I

interviewed a retired senior master sergeant who had been at Groom Lake three different times as an Air

Force safety specialist. ... At first he was real nervous, but when he warmed up he told me: 'We have things

that would make George Lucas envious.' I know one retired guy who worked at Lockheed for 30

years, most of the time at Area 51 ; he's very proud of what he's done, and he wants the story of the place

to be told so that his grandchildren will have some idea of what he was involved in. In the summer of '86 I

asked him if he believes in UFOs. He said, 'They absolutely, positively do exist !' I said, 'Can you

expand on that?' And he said, 'No, I've said too much as it is.' "

Edited July 6, 2007 by tested1

[RabidCat]

Har!! Fat chance you'll ever get those 10 minutes. I'd love to sit with you and tell you about some of the stuff I've worked on, but... I did sign agreements, and have that clearance. Talking about that stuff can cause a person a lot of trouble, among other things.

Things I mentioned in my previous post are items that were unheard of then, and I still haven't seen, for instance, any supply that can do anything like what we were spec'd in '72. Any electronics engineer now would most likely sneer at you if you said "I need a power supply that is 1 inch by 1 inch by 1/2 inch. This supply must be stable to within +-5 mV over the temperature range of -50 c to +120 c, and no load to full load." I suspect the engineer would walk away laughing before you finished telling him there had to be 2 mV ripple or less.

Yet it's common for the detractors to deny by saying either it's all nonsense, or man's technology doesn't exist to do such things. The above supply was delivered (at a high cost per unit, about as much as a fully equipped Cadillac), but it is unknown to me what the usage was. I'd like to know. But I doubt I ever will.

During the 'Star Wars' thing Reagan had, I had questions about that too. Detractors of that said it would never work, too many variables. However, under contract I worked for a company that had developed a laser weapon for the program. It was still in their basement, and I was escorted through the thing (sort of 'bragging rights' for them, I guess). This device wasn't particularly massive, and it was operational at the time I saw it. It was being used to fabricate metallic forms, such as cutting 1 inch steel plate patterns. According to the engineer I was with (and he showed me the doors), it had been used to target satellites placed in orbit as test targets. I probably shouldn't be saying this.

I'd say most UFOs are man made. Have for a long time.

[wbones1]

Har!! Fat chance you'll ever get those 10 minutes. I'd love to sit with you and tell you about some of the stuff I've worked on, but... I did sign agreements, and have that clearance. Talking about that stuff can cause a person a lot of trouble, among other things.

Things I mentioned in my previous post are items that were unheard of then, and I still haven't seen, for instance, any supply that can do anything like what we were spec'd in '72. Any electronics engineer now would most likely sneer at you if you said "I need a power supply that is 1 inch by 1 inch by 1/2 inch. This supply must be stable to within +-5 mV over the temperature range of -50 c to +120 c, and no load to full load." I suspect the engineer would walk away laughing before you finished telling him there had to be 2 mV ripple or less.

Yet it's common for the detractors to deny by saying either it's all nonsense, or man's technology doesn't exist to do such things. The above supply was delivered (at a high cost per unit, about as much as a fully equipped Cadillac), but it is unknown to me what the usage was. I'd like to know. But I doubt I ever will.

During the 'Star Wars' thing Reagan had, I had questions about that too. Detractors of that said it would never work, too many variables. However, under contract I worked for a company that had developed a laser weapon for the program. It was still in their basement, and I was escorted through the thing (sort of 'bragging rights' for them, I guess). This device wasn't particularly massive, and it was operational at the time I saw it. It was being used to fabricate metallic forms, such as cutting 1 inch steel plate patterns. According to the engineer I was with (and he showed me the doors), it had been used to target satellites placed in orbit as test targets. I probably shouldn't be saying this.

I'd say most UFOs are man made. Have for a long ti

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did you ever work with Boyd Bushman as he also worked at Lockheed? I know the company was working on many different projects. Just a question as he does hold U.S. Patent No. 5,384,802 for a laser apparatus.

[Feanor]

I saw a show on the History Channel a few months ago where they had some guy, (I guess that it's this one), saying something along the lines of "All the stuff that you see in the science fiction movies, we already know how to do and have better". I may not be quoting it exactly but, it was supposedly a real interview with someone supposedly really in the know.

I don't think that we have a Death Star out there though.

Well, I am not saying that we have, but who knows. We only know what they LET us know. We are remote controlled by the TV and know very little about what is actually happening. I don’t have a doubt that the super powers has some neat toys hidden somewhere that we never imagine or saw only in sci-fi movies…

[RabidCat]

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did you ever work with Boyd Bushman as he also worked at Lockheed? I know the company was working on many different projects. Just a question as he does hold U.S. Patent No. 5,384,802 for a laser apparatus.

Hell, I don't know who we worked for, to tell the truth. For instance, Lockheed contracted with a motor/controller company where I was working. The motors were ring motors (not unusual) of the two phase variety (nearly unheard of, seldom, if ever used). I won't say the power of these things, but they were ring motors, very lightweight, with many poles, and the peak torque was more than 25 ft/lb. The torque ripple spec was terrible to attain. The Lockheed people visiting were never the same, and each time anyone asked after the usage, we got different stories, so I doubt if the interface people even knew the purpose of the things.

The same is true with all the other stuff that was classified. If you have a very high tech classified project, it only makes sense to let parts of the whole out to various contractors. Since there are many projects on at any time, the odds of anyone ever finding out what went to what, who the principles were, and what the project was (is) are very small. It's a primary goal of the secrecy business.

As a Russian friend (a Russian educated electronics engineer, very good, I might add) said about communist secrecy: The people working on the floor above or below you don't know what you're doing; the people working next door don't know what you're doing; the person working next to you doesn't know what you're doing, and half the time, you don't know what you're doing.

That's the way it goes. So I could have done something for Boyd Bushman. I just don't know.

[dcman]

I did work (as R&D engineer, through a company I worked at) for Lockheed. They had rather extreme conditions, unheard of at that time, such as a 1/2 cubic inch power supply that was tested -50 C to 120 C and required no greater than 5mV drift; another was a PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) device capable of handling far greater analog data than any current A-D converter, and it was required to withstand 20,000g 3 axis. Other devices have yet to be declassified, and so I can't describe those. This was 1972-1974.

Later, through other companies, I worked on other super hi tech stuff, most of which I cannot describe due to classification.

Trust me, there were devices we had access to from the time I started (1972) that are still not seen in the commercial sector. Some of the computers, for instance, utilized clock speeds so far above standard logic we had to design translation boards to use these in high end military craft such as the F16. Some of the logic we used was capable of clock rates in the microwave range of frequency (10.2 GHz), 35 years ago.

In the 1990s, the Works was still demanding extraordinary specifications. I haven't worked in that part of the field since 1996, but I'm absolutely certain that they still do the same type of operation.

This computer I'm on is one of the faster ones available, but it can't hold a candle to some of the stuff I've used. Orders of magnitude faster and more capable.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised at finding the man's statement to be true.

Truly fascinating!

[DigitalSentinal]

If you look at the stuff we currently take for granted: internet, lasers, etc. Most of that stuff was considered to be extremely high tech and probably incomprehensible to people fifty years ago, but the military had it all much sooner than the masses ever found out about it.

[mrchill8888]

If you look at the stuff we currently take for granted: internet, lasers, etc. Most of that stuff was considered to be extremely high tech and probably incomprehensible to people fifty years ago, but the military had it all much sooner than the masses ever found out about it.

I have a somewhat revealing (if not interesting) story to add....You should note that I have neither a military, nor engineering/scientific research background whatsoever. And I have never had or currently hold any type government super, secret clearance of any kind.

...Flash back to 1983 during the Reagan administration, which also happened to be my high school years. During which time President Reagan formally announced his concept for the "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). ...Fast forward 20 years (and 20 pounds later) to about 2003, I was employed at the time in a job requiring frequent overnight travel. During one of my many overnight stays in a small town in rural Indiana, I was waiting for dinner at the hotel restaurant. As I sat alone in my booth, seated directly behind me were a small, group of gentlemen having casual conversation. I had no idea what line of work they were in; but from the scope of their conversation contract engineers of some type was there likely profession. In there discourse they seem to be sharing "horror stories" about previous jobs/projects. And in an open restaurant they definitely were not discussing anything of a classified nature.

I don't remember much of there conversation, because I was not really paying all that much attention, but being a "techno-phille" when I overheard the conversation turn to the "Star Wars Strategic Missile Defense System" my attention perked up!

...Plainly, I recall one of the members of the group commenting in a jovial manner related to the SDI project (and I am paraphrasing) "...We all laughed when President Reagan came TV, and announced his proposal for the US to and build a Strategic Missile Defense System. Our team had already developed AND BUILT what he was proposing!

...And that's my story, sorry no drama, no intrigue, and no yarn of little green men coming to steal our women, and take over our planet. But what I believe is that unless the man was over exaggerating his previous work experience, so that he could feel self-important amongst his peers. Then this is yet further proof that the government has a tendency to hide technology secrets from the public for years before they become public.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Hell, I don't know who we worked for, to tell the truth. For instance, Lockheed contracted with a motor/controller company where I was working. The motors were ring motors (not unusual) of the two phase variety (nearly unheard of, seldom, if ever used). I won't say the power of these things, but they were ring motors, very lightweight, with many poles, and the peak torque was more than 25 ft/lb. The torque ripple spec was terrible to attain. The Lockheed people visiting were never the same, and each time anyone asked after the usage, we got different stories, so I doubt if the interface people even knew the purpose of the things.

The same is true with all the other stuff that was classified. If you have a very high tech classified project, it only makes sense to let parts of the whole out to various contractors. Since there are many projects on at any time, the odds of anyone ever finding out what went to what, who the principles were, and what the project was (is) are very small. It's a primary goal of the secrecy business.

As a Russian friend (a Russian educated electronics engineer, very good, I might add) said about communist secrecy: The people working on the floor above or below you don't know what you're doing; the people working next door don't know what you're doing; the person working next to you doesn't know what you're doing, and half the time, you don't know what you're doing.

That's the way it goes. So I could have done something for Boyd Bushman. I just don't know.

I wish you lived close to me. I would take you out for beer to listen to you talk. Its good stuff.

[Frozenthought]

That quote is also featured in the following interview between Lockheed Martin Senior Scientist Boyd Bushman and David Sereda

Part 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=92_KmTkbfqM

and part 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pZMzHTERr-E&feature=related

Edited November 30, 2007 by Frozenthought

[Caana]

I worked for a lockheed/martin plant in new england putting parts together, and pasting powdered metal along the seams, getting it ready for the oven. I only worked on mostly manifolds, and the other parts for jet engines. But twice in the year i stayed there, i saw a big metallic golden sphere gleaming in the setting sun, hovering over it.About twelve hundred feet or so.

My temp female from after my marriage, saw it with me both times. As it was after six oclock each time, and i was at her place, which was right next to the industrial park the plant was located in. About 1998 it was, summertime.

I knew a few yrs before that, that they had been manmade, and are flown by humans. If they can do that, then it would be no problem for them to have developed the small probelike thing's, that are responsable for some of the crop circles. And the other object's seen that are to small for passangers.

They have technology that has the same affect as having four camera's on every street, and in your home. We mostly don't see them the same way we don't see u.f.o's daily, they are stealthed, and make no sound. They have come a very long way since i was seven yrs old, and had my first encounter with their secret agenda's.

They are not revealing it, because to many would know what they must have done with it, before that revealation. What they are going to do, is allow the rest of us to use older tech that would seem new to us, but still far below par with what is current for them. Why they are working at total control in the world picture the way we know it.

Their goading all these people who are not our friend's, into doing rash thing's, so they can get rid of them before they stage another illusion of belief for reasons why. As human being go, the one's who do have what the thread is about, can be considered monster's, that we should fight, however hopeless, for their form of control is based on the facism of religion, where it comes from. However peaceful it's being sold as.

I believe the words of the poor man who did die, no doubt just another of the millions of victim's they already have noched on their belt's.

Good subject.

[Zorgon]

Har!! Fat chance you'll ever get those 10 minutes. I'd love to sit with you and tell you about some of the stuff I've worked on, but...

I disagree... I have had more than 10 minutes with many insiders.. Ron Blackburn from Lockheed being one... The thing is people like this are not interested in talking to just anyone to appease their curiosity... but once you build their trust and they understand you are serious and will work to 'get the word out' things change...

However there IS a catch... it can be frustrating at times... What happens is they will give you info, but a lot of it you cannot repeat or quote them... you have to use the info to dig up more yourself... and IF you break that trust... you will never again get ANY inside info...

So you have to ask yourself... Why do you need to know... and what will you do with the info when you get it.... and are you willing to pay the price of being 'watched' and 'might' get a knock on the door from the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel.

And then there is one more catch... when someone comes along and gives you a hint or a clue or outright tells you something like RabidCat here... what do you do?

Say "Wow man that's cool" and go back to you video games?

Ridicule the info?

Ridicule the poster?

Both of the above?

Work hard like you were getting a paycheck to debunk it?

ARE you getting a paycheck to debunk it?

Use the clue and/or hint to research further on your own to find answers?

Do you ever follow links provided to back a claim?

The above list has been collected from the forum posting habits of 95% of people. IF you are really interested in getting answers and spending time getting those 10 minutes.. you have to be willing to do the leg work... I started this research a little over a year ago... and my list of contacts would make your jaws drag on the floor...

People can ridicule me all they want... but I have the security of REAL knowledge

Did you know that John Lear's father worked on Anti Gravity devices for TT Brown under official contract to the DoD in the FIFTIES?

Project Winterhaven

I'd say most UFOs are man made. Have for a long time.

yes I agree 'most' but not 'all'

Personally I am interested in finding out more about the robotic space plane that is air launched 'one stage to orbit' and has a special 'coating' to make it 'invisible' And before you say it ain't so... I know the patent holder on the 'coating' and the 'painter' who 'applies' it

Got anything for me on that?

I will leave ya with a little something

Think Plasma

AFRL PLASMA ACTUATORS

[Zorgon]

he got banned because he said he'd send someone a copy of the VHS he has.

If that is true... how stupid is that? Someone has the proof everyone in the world involved in CT is looking for and the guy who has it an wants to share it is BANNED?

No wonder the government keeps its secrets so easily

That is against the law and I'm sure that's the reason behind him getting the Boot.

How is that against the law? How do you know it wasn't a personal recording of the speech? As far as I know it was not covered by the media so it would have to be taken by someone who was there... ergo a private film... one that he can distribute to anyone he wants

And IF it was copied of a news cast... as long as he is not selling it it falls under 'fair use' the same way as ALL the youtube videos do

So now are you SURE that is why he was banned?

Pity I could have really used that tape...