Exorcism

[Azalin]

I really hate to do this to you, Azalin, and to everyone else like myself who enjoys a challenging riddle. And please, find it in your heart to forgive yourself for the way you've been frightening everyone.

Student = possession victim

Math professor = ill-intentioned spirit

School = house

Gym teacher = Devil

Athletic program = Hell

Im sorry FrankBlunt, I do not come to this site to decypher riddles. If you are a long time user on this site, you will notice a large number of threads are usually incomprehensible. I thought this was one of those responses that had no meaning, and Im not going to waste my time to try and find a meaning in something that may in fact, have no meaning on my thread what so ever.

You are accusing me of frightening everyone, Im am only here to inform. No-one should be frightened by the Devil, through God we are protected, and the belief in him can bring anyone salvation. If you do not believe in Demonic Possession, I will find that strange. In the Possession vs. Mental illness thread, you spoke of when you were sexually molested by 2 spirits.

In that period between the Fall of 1999 and the Spring of 2001 when I was battling to keep control of my own existence, in a colossal effort to avoid what you are now enduring, I was sexually molested by spirits on two occasions. The stabbing sensations you've described are all too familiar and I can remember them like they're yesterday. Choking was quite common, too. Literal wrestling matches would occur while I was out of body, struggling to regain control of my body.

Once again, im not frightening anyone, Im an educater, and Im helping people understand certain beliefs people may have around them. By the above symptoms, seems you had your own possession of some kind, so if anyone could understand where Im coming from, I hope it could be someone like you.

God Bless, Azalin

[HKCavalier]

- Perfect Possession ( other names as well ) , and Demonic Possession.

Perfect possession is someone that is not quite demonically possessed, because he does not need to be. A murderer, drug dealer, rapist, someone that that does not need a possessed spirit within them to partake in the blasphemies of the church. These people cannot be exorcised, but they can be taught, and can eventually change with the help of gods grace and forgiveness.

Hey, Azalin, I've read the Martin text too and I think you're a little confused about what he meant by "perfect possession." In these instances "perfect" means complete. The demon's will and the will of the host are in complete harmony, so there is no struggle and therefore no symptoms; the soul is completely overpowered.

The symptoms of "demonic possession" are what happen when possession is incomplete, when the soul of the host struggles against the control of the demon. The bizarre behavior of the classically possessed person is not, strictly speaking, intended by the demon at all. The demon is trying to program the mind of its host, trying to frighten it into total submission by taking control of whatever bodily and spiritual functioning it can. If the demon can turn its host's identity into a chaos, the demon can take real control of its victim.

Meanwhile, the host instinctively tries to expel the demon by whatever means present themselves. The possessed don't vomit because demons think vomiting is cool, it's simply that vomiting is one of the most effective ways for the body/mind to expel negative energy. The speaking of foreign languages is the result of the demon tampering directly with the ego/identity of the host. The foretellings and clairvoyance might be the demon trying to create fear and awe in the victim and any witnesses, but it might be genuine gifts of the spirit the soul can use to anchor itself to the mind of God.

The struggle between the demon and its host is also a struggle over what is and is not real; because at the highest level of reality, the demon does not exist, evil does not exist--evil is only a turning away, a denial--and the soul must remember these things. Reducing the demon to a mere psychological disturbance in the mind of the possessed sometimes destroys the demon. So sometimes drugs are perfectly effective. It's kind of an inverted placebo affect: the demon is expelled not because the patient believes the drugs will be effective against the demon, but because the body/mind resonates with the drug paradigm in which demons don't exist. At the level that demons function, reality is quite malleable.

Oh, and hey, Azalin, what's with this "professional opinion" stuff? You do this for a living?

[taustin]

Thank you for starting this thread, I believe its written with much Knowledge and I feel it will be helpful, and no matter what many think about Possessions not being real I think you and I and many others know that it is real, and if it wasn't the Vatican wouldn't have priests doint the Exorcisms if there wasn't a reason to do so.

I look forward to other things you write as a Former Priest, and while at times I disagree with some of the things you write especially, since you don't believe that I have a possession problem, I am still happy that you are writing like this because I feel with your background and knowledge it will be helpful to others.

Its very difficult for most people to believe in Possessions, and Exorcisms and unless they actually experience these things themselves, some people may never believe, but I know first hand they are true, and I encourage you to keep writing about your experiences because I find it very helpful.

Even as I write here the four Possessing Spirits try to prevent me from writing my thoughts smoothly and so even writing this much is a real Struggle for me especially when people keep reading my posts and telling me I am not possessed and I need a Therapist.

You can't judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes.

Rosemary, what are you talking about, are you documenting it and why do you not have help? Were you a former priest? I would think that if you were truly posessed it could be on your local news if you wanted the word to get out and people to truly be informed.

[NME_locus]

Rosemary, what are you talking about, are you documenting it and why do you not have help? Were you a former priest? I would think that if you were truly posessed it could be on your local news if you wanted the word to get out and people to truly be informed.

Whew... amen. Thank you Az!

ok...re-edit because that was confusing.

Amen to what Taustin' said, and thanks Azalin for this info.

I appreciate his time, and it is my decision on what I make of it.

Why do people accuse Azalin of frightening people. The devil can persuade, but don't blame him for your dumb doings.

If the article scares you, then simply don't read. If it is useful to you, then utilize it.

In the end, God does make the final call on the approval of what Satan can do.

Edited December 28, 2005 by NME_locus

[Azalin]

Hey, Azalin, I've read the Martin text too and I think you're a little confused about what he meant by "perfect possession." In these instances "perfect" means complete. The demon's will and the will of the host are in complete harmony, so there is no struggle and therefore no symptoms; the soul is completely overpowered.

The symptoms of "demonic possession" are what happen when possession is incomplete, when the soul of the host struggles against the control of the demon. The bizarre behavior of the classically possessed person is not, strictly speaking, intended by the demon at all. The demon is trying to program the mind of its host, trying to frighten it into total submission by taking control of whatever bodily and spiritual functioning it can. If the demon can turn its host's identity into a chaos, the demon can take real control of its victim.

Meanwhile, the host instinctively tries to expel the demon by whatever means present themselves. The possessed don't vomit because demons think vomiting is cool, it's simply that vomiting is one of the most effective ways for the body/mind to expel negative energy. The speaking of foreign languages is the result of the demon tampering directly with the ego/identity of the host. The foretellings and clairvoyance might be the demon trying to create fear and awe in the victim and any witnesses, but it might be genuine gifts of the spirit the soul can use to anchor itself to the mind of God.

The struggle between the demon and its host is also a struggle over what is and is not real; because at the highest level of reality, the demon does not exist, evil does not exist--evil is only a turning away, a denial--and the soul must remember these things. Reducing the demon to a mere psychological disturbance in the mind of the possessed sometimes destroys the demon. So sometimes drugs are perfectly effective. It's kind of an inverted placebo affect: the demon is expelled not because the patient believes the drugs will be effective against the demon, but because the body/mind resonates with the drug paradigm in which demons don't exist. At the level that demons function, reality is quite malleable.

Oh, and hey, Azalin, what's with this "professional opinion" stuff? You do this for a living?

No cavalier, I am not an exorcist, but in the church, I did a lot of my studying in the rite of exorcisms, demonology, and demonic possession.

What you are describing are your personal opinoins on demonic possession, I am describing the churchs beleifs. The church wrote the book of demonic possession, and it's symptoms, and what they mean. Are you saying the church did not know it's own symptoms, and the demons reason for doing so ?.

When these symptoms are given, the victim of course is trying to fight off the demon, thats why these symptoms are seen. The speaking of foreign languages, or clairvoyance, is actually a taunt by most demons. It is made to scare anyone around, even the exorcist to believe that the victim has succomb to the demons influence, and cannot be reached. It's a flaunt of there direct power to make anyone around seem inferior and helpless, and many times it has worked. Soon as an exorcist feels doubt, or questions his own abilities and faith, he can no longer win.

In the end of your post, your saying that demonic possession in fact is all in the mind, that there is no evil, no good, but you believe in spirits ?.

[taustin]

No cavalier, I am not an exorcist, but in the church, I did a lot of my studying in the rite of exorcisms, demonology, and demonic possession.

What you are describing are your personal opinoins on demonic possession, I am describing the churchs beleifs. The church wrote the book of demonic possession, and it's symptoms, and what they mean. Are you saying the church did not know it's own symptoms, and the demons reason for doing so ?.

When these symptoms are given, the victim of course is trying to fight off the demon, thats why these symptoms are seen. The speaking of foreign languages, or clairvoyance, is actually a taunt by most demons. It is made to scare anyone around, even the exorcist to believe that the victim has succomb to the demons influence, and cannot be reached. It's a flaunt of there direct power to make anyone around seem inferior and helpless, and many times it has worked. Soon as an exorcist feels doubt, or questions his own abilities and faith, he can no longer win.

In the end of your post, your saying that demonic possession in fact is all in the mind, that there is no evil, no good, but you believe in spirits ?.

Hey Azalin, why do they do it? Why do demons posess physical bodies? I would think it much more successful to not posess a body. They do not do much after they have taken posession (demonic possession) it seems. What is in it for them?

[Oubli]

Okay,

I gotta question. Why would a demon want to bring attention to itself during a possession? It would seem like they would want to do it with as little interruption as possible, so it could take hold. And what exactly is the demon trying to accomplish? I mean, what happens if the exorcism fails? Does it just stay w/i you forever? You couldn't function like that, you'd either end up in jail, an asylum or dead.

Guess that was more than one question.

Amy

[Rosemary Campbell]

Rosemary, what are you talking about, are you documenting it and why do you not have help? Were you a former priest? I would think that if you were truly posessed it could be on your local news if you wanted the word to get out and people to truly be informed.

Going on the Local news would not do anything as far as getting a Priest to believe and perform an Exorcism.

I have written to tabloids, and contacted all the Major News Stations and not one has responded to me although I have told them the entire Story and even told them I have been documenting the whole thing in my Journal.

As you can see on this Forum few people believe in Possessions and the ones who believe in Possessions don't believe they happen to ordinary people like me and they won't believe at all that I know the four Spirits who are sitting inside my body they believe possessions are carried out by Fire breathing demons when he fact is many Possessions are the result of relatives or co-workers and or just the Spirits of Acquaintences who do this possibly for vengance or for the fun of having you try to get someone to believe you and put you through the Exorcism and things like that then I think when they get the attention they want and get a Priest walking around with Holy Water and a Big Crucifix the Evil Spirits get the attention then want then they get out.

But don't get me wrong a Possession even by Relatives is not a cake walk because they can be mean and painful and when people don't believe they are beside themselves with happiness and each time a Priest turns you down they know they are on their way to success.

My Possessing Spirits are writing right along with me here through automatic writing, and when I get off the Computer after people don't believe they are beside themseloves with the feeling of successful then I am really in for some vicious attacks as I try to sleep at night.

I don't really expect anyone here to help me get them out unless of course some of the Vaticans Priests decide to Exorcise me or unless one of the people who document hauntings and things like who live in my Vicinity would like to visit my home with some of their Equipment and see if they can detect the presence of these Spirits.

If there are any takers I live in Toledo, Ohio.

I approached several priests and one was terrified and said he wanted nothing to do with Possessions and knows nothing about it and so I contacted another and he said the only way he would do an Exorcism is if I promised that I would never communicate with the Spirit World again and I said I can't do that because God and Jesus are in the Spirit World.

[FrankBlunt]

Im sorry FrankBlunt, I do not come to this site to decypher riddles. If you are a long time user on this site, you will notice a large number of threads are usually incomprehensible. I thought this was one of those responses that had no meaning, and Im not going to waste my time to try and find a meaning in something that may in fact, have no meaning on my thread what so ever.

You are accusing me of frightening everyone, Im am only here to inform. No-one should be frightened by the Devil, through God we are protected, and the belief in him can bring anyone salvation. If you do not believe in Demonic Possession, I will find that strange. In the Possession vs. Mental illness thread, you spoke of when you were sexually molested by 2 spirits.

Once again, im not frightening anyone, Im an educater, and Im helping people understand certain beliefs people may have around them. By the above symptoms, seems you had your own possession of some kind, so if anyone could understand where Im coming from, I hope it could be someone like you.

God Bless, Azalin

Azalin,

Thank you for your reply. I know there is such a phenomenon as possession, but you and I differ on belief in demons and Satan. I'm aware of simpler methods for ridding oneself of these mischievous entities that sometimes inhabit the body. Please see my explanation on possession and "imaginary friend" issues in the recent topic of haunting and puberty.

[NME_locus]

When these symptoms are given, the victim of course is trying to fight off the demon, thats why these symptoms are seen. The speaking of foreign languages, or clairvoyance, is actually a taunt by most demons. It is made to scare anyone around, even the exorcist to believe that the victim has succomb to the demons influence, and cannot be reached. It's a flaunt of there direct power to make anyone around seem inferior and helpless, and many times it has worked. Soon as an exorcist feels doubt, or questions his own abilities and faith, he can no longer win.

In the end of your post, your saying that demonic possession in fact is all in the mind, that there is no evil, no good, but you believe in spirits ?.

I personally don't know of any exorcisms, but have done some little study in the right to exorcism.

The Catholic Church still defines true signs of possession as displaying superhuman strength, often accompanied by fits and convulsions; changes in personality; having knowledge of the future or other secret information; and being able to understand and converse in languages not previously known to the victim, such as the phenomenon glossolalia.

Included in the list of other signs or symptoms for declaring demonic possession are: the practice of lewd and obscene acts, or even sexual thoughts; horrible smells of bodily ordors or of sulphur, associated with hell; distended stomachs; rapid weight loss where death seems inevitable; changes in the voice to a deep, rasping, menacing, guttural croak. Occasionally there may be signs of automatic writing or levitation.

Many of these signs or symptoms can be explained away by modern medical science. Seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy. Personality changes can indicate hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions. Lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Distended stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore.

[taustin]

Going on the Local news would not do anything as far as getting a Priest to believe and perform an Exorcism.

I have written to tabloids, and contacted all the Major News Stations and not one has responded to me although I have told them the entire Story and even told them I have been documenting the whole thing in my Journal.

As you can see on this Forum few people believe in Possessions and the ones who believe in Possessions don't believe they happen to ordinary people like me and they won't believe at all that I know the four Spirits who are sitting inside my body they believe possessions are carried out by Fire breathing demons when he fact is many Possessions are the result of relatives or co-workers and or just the Spirits of Acquaintences who do this possibly for vengance or for the fun of having you try to get someone to believe you and put you through the Exorcism and things like that then I think when they get the attention they want and get a Priest walking around with Holy Water and a Big Crucifix the Evil Spirits get the attention then want then they get out.

But don't get me wrong a Possession even by Relatives is not a cake walk because they can be mean and painful and when people don't believe they are beside themselves with happiness and each time a Priest turns you down they know they are on their way to success.

My Possessing Spirits are writing right along with me here through automatic writing, and when I get off the Computer after people don't believe they are beside themseloves with the feeling of successful then I am really in for some vicious attacks as I try to sleep at night.

I don't really expect anyone here to help me get them out unless of course some of the Vaticans Priests decide to Exorcise me or unless one of the people who document hauntings and things like who live in my Vicinity would like to visit my home with some of their Equipment and see if they can detect the presence of these Spirits.

If there are any takers I live in Toledo, Ohio.

I approached several priests and one was terrified and said he wanted nothing to do with Possessions and knows nothing about it and so I contacted another and he said the only way he would do an Exorcism is if I promised that I would never communicate with the Spirit World again and I said I can't do that because God and Jesus are in the Spirit World.

Hmmm, well I would have to say Rosemary that I have never heard of being posessed by spirits other than demonic. What exactly do they do to you? No offense but how do you know you are not schitzo (sp)? Is it just voices and is it only at night? Are you doing the vomiting? I would not even think you would really be functional. What the hell do they want? I find it partially unbelievable but am open to what you say. I am curious. They certainly could not be spirits of people already still alive. Who are they? Do you know?

[taustin]

Hmmm, well I would have to say Rosemary that I have never heard of being posessed by spirits other than demonic. What exactly do they do to you? No offense but how do you know you are not schitzo (sp)? Is it just voices and is it only at night? Are you doing the vomiting? I would not even think you would really be functional. What the hell do they want? I find it partially unbelievable but am open to what you say. I am curious. They certainly could not be spirits of people already still alive. Who are they? Do you know?

I also think you need to videotape all the incidents.

[Azalin]

Okay,

I gotta question. Why would a demon want to bring attention to itself during a possession? It would seem like they would want to do it with as little interruption as possible, so it could take hold. And what exactly is the demon trying to accomplish? I mean, what happens if the exorcism fails? Does it just stay w/i you forever? You couldn't function like that, you'd either end up in jail, an asylum or dead.

Guess that was more than one question.

Amy

Hey Azalin, why do they do it? Why do demons posess physical bodies? I would think it much more successful to not posess a body. They do not do much after they have taken posession (demonic possession) it seems. What is in it for them?

I will be as honest as I can on this issue Amy, and Taustin, I really do not know. Priests, Arch-Bishops and Demonologists all have their own reasons on why demons do it, but it was never mentioned in the bible, or any grimoire. With what knowledge I have, I would give 2 options.

1 ) Demons can inhabit us, as a vessel. This keeps them out of hell into the material plane, which is where we live. The material plane is a far better place then Hell. It does not matter whether your a demon, or a person, hell is torture, it's void of Gods Love, and is a prison for those that did not follow Gods laws. Demons will possess us whenever they get a chance, to try to escape, and live among us in our world as long as possible.

2 ) Demons will forever hate us for our abilities, such as repentance, and more importantly, the undying love God has for us. Out of pride, jealousy, and revenge they would rather ravage our bodies, and pervert god's teachings and have us sin to punish god into thinking they are the dominant beings, and they should instead have his love.

Now the symptoms of demonic possession are like what HKCavalier did describe at the beginning of his post. They are signs that the demon is trying to overcome the humans will, however, the majority of the symptoms come about DURING the exorcism, as this causes pain to the demon inside the body. Like I stated previously, some demons will flaunt their abilities, mainly once again out of their own pride, just to show themselves, how much more dominant they are compared to us. This is a scare tactic which is very useful actually.

If an exorcism fails ( I will get more into it on my next topic ) the demon continues to inhabit the body. The main instrument when doing an exorcism, is the possessed victim themself, they want to have to let the demon go, which can be very hard, especially if the demon has been sickening their mind over a number of years. If the victim dies, it's not known what happens with the victim. I would assume Jesus and God will judge them accordingly when the time comes.

[Rosemary Campbell]

Hmmm, well I would have to say Rosemary that I have never heard of being posessed by spirits other than demonic. What exactly do they do to you? No offense but how do you know you are not schitzo (sp)? Is it just voices and is it only at night? Are you doing the vomiting? I would not even think you would really be functional. What the hell do they want? I find it partially unbelievable but am open to what you say. I am curious. They certainly could not be spirits of people already still alive. Who are they? Do you know?

Well the real problem here is few people know the Truth about these things but thank God they are at least becoming more interested in these things and so there is hope for the future.

It is not just voice and it is not just at night and these are not the only spirits that I am in communication with.

These spirits climbed into my body because I would not send the others away that I want to write with.

Three of them are my Relatives who died in the fourties, fifties and sixties and the fourth is a man I knew when he walked the Earth and he said unless I send the others away he will sit inside my body until the day I die and the reason he gives for doing this is he doesn't want me to be working with the Male Spirits and I know this sound a little strange but we have to realize that one of the Possessing Spirits was one of Toledo, Ohio's most Prominent Psychiatrists when he walked the Earth and he rightly believes that no one will believe that he would sit inside my body but its all true.

When this man walked the Earth he took a liking to me and in the Seventies I left town with another man and he has never forgiven me for this and he said my leaving town with the other man caused him great stress which he believes led to his Heart Attack at the age of 59.

Now I don't feel this is true because he no right to feel this way because he had a wife and five children at home and he should have been paying less attention to me and more to them.

so I guess you could say this is one of those obsessive Love Stories that goes beyond the Veil of Death and I am not sure what i can do to get this Jackel out of my body because no one will believe this Story except some of my Relatives and they like many others make jokes about my Possessing Spirit and ask how he is and then they will say things like well just tell him to go away and he will.

But its not true he will not go away and I don't know what I am going to do about him except keep writing about him and hopefully son his wife and son who are both in the Spirit world will forgive him and come pick him up and take him with them soon.

Even as I write he is writing right along with me through Automatic Writing helping to tell this story.

So you see love and hate never dies.

[CharmedFan3]

You know what i dont understand is why do demons possess humans?

Edited December 28, 2005 by CharmedFan3

[NME_locus]

You know what i dont understand is why do demons possess humans?

I don't know either, but I do know some make claims to get attention...hehe

[HKCavalier]

No cavalier, I am not an exorcist, but in the church, I did a lot of my studying in the rite of exorcisms, demonology, and demonic possession.

What you are describing are your personal opinoins on demonic possession, I am describing the churchs beleifs. The church wrote the book of demonic possession, and it's symptoms, and what they mean. Are you saying the church did not know it's own symptoms, and the demons reason for doing so?

Azalin, I meant no offence. You seemed confused is all. I was giving you my understanding of Martin's text, colored by my memory of several interviews with Father Malachi on the Art Bell show, colored by my own experience with demonic possession, not as a member of the Catholic clergy but as one of these "witch doctors" you mentioned in your OP. Your description of "perfect possession" seemed confused on several points when compared with my recollection of Martin's explanation. I could be wrong, but your definition just didn't make sense.

In the end of your post, your saying that demonic possession in fact is all in the mind, that there is no evil, no good, but you believe in spirits?

Good gravy, why is this stuff so confusing to people? I did not say that "demonic possession in fact is all in the mind!" And I don't believe in spirits, I've seen the dang things--or more strictly, I've seen "things" that by all accounts behave and have existence exactly as spirits are said to do. Also, authorities whom I have no reason to distrust have confirmed that these were indeed spirits.

(I'm a little tired of having people with nothing but mystical "belief" and book learning to back up their claims, saying that my experiences are as baseless as theirs--merely reading up on "exorcism" and actually participating in one are very different things and will give you very different information--sorry, a pet peeve of mine )

I have also seen things that are not and do not behave as spirits, things which for a whole variety of reasons I would call "demons." In my experience, and according to my study, spirits and demons are not, strictly speaking, the same thing. "Spirits" are some species of "the dead." They were human once and have at least the memory of free will. Demons are an aspect of consciousness itself. Consciousness, as I understand it, is not limited to individual minds, but is an aspect of reality itself. Demons exist within our individual minds, but they also have existence within the One Mind as well. They themselves do not have individual identity or freewill, but are characteristic of certain areas of identity and intention common to all people. My experience has shown that they tend to dissipate when the spiritual vibration of an individual or location is brought above a certain threshold. From my reading of Catholic exorcism rites, this raising of the possessed person's vibration is central to the efficacy of such rites.

I'm curious, Azalin, to your mind is it Catholic doctrine that evil exists as a real and external threat to God's authority?

[Azalin]

I'm curious, Azalin, to your mind is it Catholic doctrine that evil exists as a real and external threat to God's authority?

Not at all, nothing is a threat to God. Although demons and Satan himself may uprise against God and try to overthrow him, it is, and never will be a threat to him.

And I have never heard of that concept or theory that you have when it comes to Demons being created, or are apart of consciousness.

Edited December 28, 2005 by Azalin

[Boltwave]

I really hate to do this to you, Azalin, and to everyone else like myself who enjoys a challenging riddle. And please, find it in your heart to forgive yourself for the way you've been frightening everyone.

Student = possession victim

Math professor = ill-intentioned spirit

School = house

Gym teacher = Devil

Athletic program = Hell

Okay, now I'm confused

[Boltwave]

You know what i dont understand is why do demons possess humans?

That's a simple question really, demons go after humans because we are the top prime, we are the ultimate likeness and satan does not like the fact that we are the center creation of the universe, therefore, he is the enemy of man, and goes out trying to possess and tempt the souls mainly by corrupting them with fear etc.

[Yelekiah]

All in all lol, the book is BS.

Haha, I was very close.

"perfect possession." In these instances "perfect" means complete. The demon's will and the will of the host are in complete harmony, so there is no struggle and therefore no symptoms; the soul is completely overpowered.

This was what I was thinking. But now I'm confused along with a lot of people in this thread. I think I'll check the book out at the library and get back to you on my opinion.

[Azalin]

Haha, I was very close.

This was what I was thinking. But now I'm confused along with a lot of people in this thread. I think I'll check the book out at the library and get back to you on my opinion.

That description of perfect possession is likewise the same as mine. Like stated, perfect possession is more or less a state of mind, in which a demonic influence is no longer needed, because the person is committing the acts voluntarily.

[Yelekiah]

Or...because they are perfectly possessed by the devil

In the book that you called BS, "Glimpses of the Devil", one woman was thought to be possessed by several entities, even though she was "perfectly possessed".

[Azalin]

Or...because they are perfectly possessed by the devil

In the book that you called BS, "Glimpses of the Devil", one woman was thought to be possessed by several entities, even though she was "perfectly possessed".

Scott Peck beleived she was perfectly possessed, but you cannot really believe him. That entire book is twisted, especially on how he became an exorcist overnight. After completing the book, anyone with any knowledge on exorcisms would know he had no idea what he was talking about. He beleived in the book that the 2 exorcisms he did on the 2 women were actually possessed by Satan himself. He had no faith in himself, and was constantly calling Father Malachi on the phone, asking him what he should do next. You seriously think a successful exorcists makes phone calls in the middle of an exorcism asking for advice?. Also the fact that he sits there with the possessed victim, eats breakfast with them, talk for about 30 minutes, then they decide to tie her up again, and give another try at her. Then all the sudden shes writhing around in agony again, when just 10 minutes ago she was laughing and eating sandwiches with everyone. A bunch of BS if you ask me.

[Yelekiah]

Scott Peck beleived she was perfectly possessed

Well I haven't seen a possession myself. But this doesn't mean that perfect possession in the way Malachi described it doesn't exist. We have no proof on whether or not it exists. This isn't about the credibility of Mr. Peck. I'll check out Hostage of the Devil while I'm at it.