Exorcism

[Bebi]

....I would rather explain how Automatic Writing is done because who knows you might be writing on a writing pad or typewriter one day and suddenly it feels like you are off and running faster than you can even think and this is because sometimes four or more Spirits both good and bad are trying to get conrol over the Typewriter so they can get their own ideas across.

But really I can't expect someone like you without any experience whatsoever in these things to understand where I'm coming from but perhaps you will learn more as time goes along.

I have experienced this effect of your brain running along and the thoughts come so fast you can't decipher them properly. I hate to tell you this; but it is actually a very common symptom of schizophrenia (which I am medicated for).

[EDW74]

EDITED BY EDW 74 FOR SPELLING

Yes, but not exactly, you have to look at it more as opression with schizophrenics, basically where Satan can control the human mind, like a pest breaking into a group of cords and wires to some high power facility, dis-connecting and re-assembling wires all in the wrong place.

Ah yes, it is possible that demons act crazy inside a person when confronted by a person, compelling them in the name of God, there are many explanations, in some areas, the film was weak because there are so many people that would just sit there and laugh most likely at the scene of the exorcism, and the out of body experience was not neccesary, they could have easily told the story and left that out.

But I look for the message, not the entertainment value, point being, the devil can act strange and crazy mostly to get attention out of that person's equal peers, it's best to avoid engaging or conversating with one, they are nothing but trouble

Would it mattet to say that the movie is based on and though off on some points still fairly accurate to a true story?

Probably not, I don't know why I try, you have your opinions.

You know what we say about opinions? they're like (expletive deleted)holes, everyone's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

Edited January 4, 2006 by EDW74

[Bebi]

You know what we say about opinions? they're like (expletive deleted)holes, everyone's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

I'll agree with that, too often we're clouded by the belief that "we" are right and "they" are wrong.

"there is no truth only personal opinion"

And just for the record, yes, I am schizophrenic, and I have never been visited by "demons" or possessed at any point in my life... I've had a few strange experiences but these have been few and far between, and nine times out of ten validated by other people.

Edited January 4, 2006 by Bebi

[BuyMeAPony]

but it was my understanding that people with Schizophrenia are not aware of the other personality unless someone else takes them to the doctor, and the doctor tells them this is the case.

Schizophrenia and Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) are two different disorders. They both however affect about 1% of the population. If I remember correctly in DID there is a central personality that governs the rest and that alternate personalities are aware of one another. The person themselves may be unaware of the other personalities.

People with some forms schizophrenia are not 'crazy' all the time. They can experience long time frames in which they are very lucid. It is all dependant on the severity of their disorder.

[dreamhunter]

so you like demons?

[BuyMeAPony]

If that was directed at me demonhunter, Id have a problem answering you. I don’t believe in demons so there is nothing to like or dislike.

[dreamhunter]

oh ok.

[Rosemary Campbell]

Schizophrenia and Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) are two different disorders. They both however affect about 1% of the population. If I remember correctly in DID there is a central personality that governs the rest and that alternate personalities are aware of one another. The person themselves may be unaware of the other personalities.

People with some forms schizophrenia are not 'crazy' all the time. They can experience long time frames in which they are very lucid. It is all dependant on the severity of their disorder.

Psychics are not Schizophrenics.

They are called psychics, or Channelllers for Spirits and sometimes they are called mediums, and this is so because they are able to communicate with Enities in the World Beyond where we all go after we shed our Earthly Bodies and when the Spirit Leaves the body all the intelligence of the Brain goes with them and the physical brain in the Head is just an empty casing which holds the Intelligence part of the Brain and when the Spirit wishes to it can speak back to Earth through those who are able to do this and they can appear to Humans in any Form they wish to.

Sometimes the Spirits who speak back are nice and sometimes they are not because depending on how they died dictates the way they feel in the Spirit World and sometimes it takes them a long time to get over their death and work through all the feelings they have when they arrive in the after Life.

I am not trying to be mean here its just that when I read some of these boards I realize that its hard to get this experience but I do believe that anyone who wants to can see and Communicate with Spirits.

But you're right lots of times Psychiatrists and Therapists who have no knowledge or understanding of these things don't understand what is going on when some patient begins to hear and see things that they don't understand and some of those people may not understand about the voices and seeing things and they might also mistakenly not know what is happening to them.

I do however believe that people can learn to tell the difference and i believe one day in the future some of the people who thought they were hearing voices and seeing things will come to understand they are just seeing Spirits of the Dead who have returned to visit them.

Locked doors can't keep Spirits out because once they shed their Earthly body they can go anywhere they want to and enter any house or building they choose to because doors and locks can't keep them out.

Edited January 4, 2006 by Rosemary Campbell

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Psychics are not Schizophrenics.

They are called psychics, or Channelllers for Spirits and sometimes they are called mediums, and this is so because they are able to communicate with Enities in the World Beyond where we all go after we shed our Earthly Bodies and when the Spirit Leaves the body all the intelligence of the Brain goes with them and the physical brain in the Head is just an empty casing which holds the Intelligence part of the Brain and when the Spirit wishes to it can speak back to Earth through those who are able to do this and they can appear to Humans in any Form they wish to.

Sometimes the Spirits who speak back are nice and sometimes they are not because depending on how they died dictates the way they feel in the Spirit World and sometimes it takes them a long time to get over their death and work through all the feelings they have when they arrive in the after Life.

I am not trying to be mean here its just that when I read some of these boards I realize that its hard to get this experience but I do believe that anyone who wants to can see and Communicate with Spirits.

But you're right lots of times Psychiatrists and Therapists who have no knowledge or understanding of these things don't understand what is going on when some patient begins to hear and see things that they don't understand and some of those people may not understand about the voices and seeing things and they might also mistakenly not know what is happening to them.

I do however believe that people can learn to tell the difference and i believe one day in the future some of the people who thought they were hearing voices and seeing things will come to understand they are just seeing Spirits of the Dead who have returned to visit them.

Locked doors can't keep Spirits out because once they shed their Earthly body they can go anywhere they want to and enter any house or building they choose to because doors and locks can't keep them out.

This is all your opinion and should be taken as that. An opinion.If someone is hearing and seeing things, they should see a doctor. Something is medically wrong.

Edited January 4, 2006 by ericraven2003

[Rosemary Campbell]

This is all your opinion and should be taken as that. An opinion.If someone is hearing and seeing things, they should see a doctor. Something is medically wrong.

Or they could choose friends who have their Psychic Gift who know the Truth.

Choosing a doctor who thinks like some of the Non-believers would not be the answer because that doctor too would no doubt make a Diagnosis and fill the person full of pills instead of becoming informed so that he or she would know how to deal with people who are psychic and don't understand that is why they are seeing Spirits and hearing voice speaking to them from beyond the Veil of Death.

Uninformed people who respond to psychics like me, Sylvia Brown, John Edwards and others and make remarks like they do could actually be setting Paranormal Research back to the Dark Ages instead of moving it forward into the new Millinium where it is headed.

Edited January 5, 2006 by Rosemary Campbell

[Paranormalcy]

"Paranormal Research", like all other endeavors for the discovery of new information on the frontier of the unknown, falls under the jurisdiction of "Science" - "Doctors" are medical scientists.

Acceptance of a new discpline or "fact" requires, in science, a number of criteria to be met (aka the Scientific Method). One of these is repeatability. You must demonstrably be able to reproduce the event or activity in a laboratory or other environment, or have equally solid facts indicating why this is not possible (such as altitude, etc).

Science will never accept "Paranormal Research" or Parapsychology as long as either the phenomenae remain resistant to repeatability, or until the requirements for scientific acceptance change to account for some things which cannot always be reproduced. Psychology and some areas of physics and even mathematics are scientific yet are not always repeatable, but solid explanations or evidence or reasoning is given in place of this lack of criteria.

"Believing" that you are in communication with an entity is not acceptable. Producing pages of written material "given" to you "from the spirit world" is not acceptable.

So it depends. If you mean the objectively valid, yet frustrating and elusive "Paranormal Research", such as that conducted by J.B. Rhine and other real scientists, no, I do not believe that having a rational and skeptical outlook and requiring substantial supporting evidence will "set it back". If you mean the "Paranormal Research" that has people wandering around in graveyards with dowsing rods, wearing crystal pendants to boost their psionics, and conducting seances for $150/hour, yes, I think a scientific mindset is a detriment to that.

Edited January 5, 2006 by jpatt

[rickfury188]

Since one of the symptoms is speaking/understanding unkown languages, does this mean that people who start speaking in tongues are possessed? I always thought that speaking in tongues meant that they had a very powerful spiritual connection with God.

[Boltwave]

Since one of the symptoms is speaking/understanding unkown languages, does this mean that people who start speaking in tongues are possessed? I always thought that speaking in tongues meant that they had a very powerful spiritual connection with God.

It really depends, there are dark and evil tongues which the devil uses fluently through those he possesses, the holy language of tongues is more of a inner communication with God.

[Paranormalcy]

Thats also a point of contention among religious types, scientists and paranormal investigators - a sort of three way disagreement. Some "demons" can also speak a number of languages, just to muddy the issue even further.

Being able to speak unknown and/or dead languages, or languages you don't know is categorized by parapsychologists - amusingly, their case studies include BOTH possessions AND religious meetings.

And I won't go into the misinterpretation of "tongues", which actually means that the speaker is able to speak in any of the "normal" human languages - not some special "divine" language.

Edited January 5, 2006 by jpatt

[Bebi]

Since one of the symptoms is speaking/understanding unkown languages, does this mean that people who start speaking in tongues are possessed? I always thought that speaking in tongues meant that they had a very powerful spiritual connection with God.

I had a bad migraine once, and every time I tried to say something it came out as gobbledegook, I went to see my GP the following day and was told that although this is not a common occurrance with migraines it is known to happen, and also with some head injuries.

[EDW74]

My wife's grandmother used to speak in tongues. She said that it was the holy spirit communicating with her. I believed her, no reason not to.

[Azalin]

Due to the topics on demonic possession, I thought I would bump this thread.

[CharmedFan3]

Why are there two identical topics on the Ghost & Paranormal Forum.

[Azalin]

I bumped this thread because dancin'hamster's topic more or less talks about demonic possession as a myth, while I fight for it's realism.

[Rosemary Campbell]

I bumped this thread because dancin'hamster's topic more or less talks about demonic possession as a myth, while I fight for it's realism.

Thank you for continuing to write about Demonic Possessions.

I recently logged onto a website where they have two priests talking about their Experiences with Possessions on a Talk Show in Ireland.

One of the Priests is a Psychiatrist and the two of them talk about their work with the Possessed and about performing exorcisms.

I listened to the 20 minute Video which I think is very enlightening and I believe you might find it interesting.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/

[r u crazy?]

I am currently researching demonic possession for a school research paper and so far i have found that everything can be proven scientifically. Having personality disfunctions can be hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions, seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy, lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Small, unhealthy stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In the rare case of supernatural strength, possible loved one being in danger. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore. Also the ways to cure demonic possession seems ridiculous. One way i found was to get yourself a Super Soaker, fill it with holy water and blast the Satanic squatter in the noodle. I also found if you just mix daily Tang with the holy water in the Super Soaker, it might prevent demonic possession altogether, like birth control pills or regular flossing.

Go Buckeyes!!!

[GodofFire]

My wife's grandmother used to speak in tongues. She said that it was the holy spirit communicating with her. I believed her, no reason not to.

I don't mean to insulting... OK maybe I do, but anyone that believes in such things as demonic or holy posession is off their friggin rocker! You are simply a bunch of silly little ninnies! Why can you people not accept the fact that there is no such thing as the "supernatural?" There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural that cannot be proven to have a scientific explanation. Simple as that. And how stuck up and self-important would someone have to be in order to believe that they are important enough to be directly communicating with the holy spirit? That's just my little rant for today...

[FrankBlunt]

I am currently researching demonic possession for a school research paper and so far i have found that everything can be proven scientifically...

One way i found was to get yourself a Super Soaker, fill it with holy water and blast the Satanic squatter in the noodle. I also found if you just mix daily Tang with the holy water in the Super Soaker, it might prevent demonic possession altogether, like birth control pills or regular flossing.

LOL! Great sense of humor. Be sure to include that wit in your research paper; and try your best to make it research, not regurgitation. So little of what's printed in "research" papers and theses is genuine. For example, all Civil War historians are dead. Anyone claiming to be a historian on that subject this very day is a regurgitating scholar. Some of them make big money collaborating with Hollywood, but they haven't done any research.

The most troubling aspect of your proposal is that not even the brightest minds in the medical community have a firm grasp on the nature of the illnesses you've listed, nor their root causes. It's quite lofty for one still in school to tackle a subject with which you appear to have no professional experience, using medical and scientific references as a guide.

I've spoken with people diagnosed bipolar and schizophrenic, in person and on this site. The doctors increase the doses of medication without any benefit. Sometimes, the side effects are worse than the conditions. Why do the conditions worsen or remain stationary? They're not organic in nature and the soul cannot be drugged.

Strive for a "Well, now!" response from your professor, not "Oh, yeah. I know that.

[r u crazy?]

Well GodofFire,u certainly r an angry person, i wonder if u evr had a gf in ur life? Anyway, thanx for the good feedback FrankBlunt, i really have an iq of genius lvl and i was in the IB programme in middle and high school. I have also been researching this topic a while, so i know what im talking about.

[Azalin]

Well GodofFire,u certainly r an angry person, i wonder if u evr had a gf in ur life? Anyway, thanx for the good feedback FrankBlunt, i really have an iq of genius lvl and i was in the IB programme in middle and high school. I have also been researching this topic a while, so i know what im talking about.

I don't mean to poke fun what so ever, but I have never met a genuis that uses bad english abbreviations.