23 and the occult

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what does the number 23 mean to the occult?

[Yelekiah]

Some of this is related to the Mayan calendar. I don't think it is the apocalypse or anything. Imo 23 is a lucky number. It ties into the Law of Fives because 2+3=5, etc.

Somehow it is related to the 322 Skull and Bones, but I forget. Also I think the Knights Templar had 23 Grand Masters.

Not sure.

Edited April 18, 2006 by Yelekiah

[metacast]

Some of this is related to the Mayan calendar. I don't think it is the apocalypse or anything. Imo 23 is a lucky number. It ties into the Law of Fives because 2+3=5, etc.

Somehow it is related to the 322 Skull and Bones, but I forget. Also I think the Knights Templar had 23 Grand Masters.

Not sure.

this is a good start. the last track on tool's new album (10,000) days is viginti tres which means 23 in latin. it is track number 11. i love tool! they are always leaving occult clues to their listeners.

[Yelekiah]

Right I have to get some of their albums because some of it ties into the Bible or Fibonacci, etc.

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BOOM. FAT LEAD!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_23_enigma

23 (numerology)

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The number 23 appears in many mysterious coincidences but only to those who notice it.The 23 Enigma is a belief that the number 23 is of particular or unusual significance, especially in relation to disasters.

Unusual circumstances being linked to 23 are mentioned by William S. Burroughs. He tells the story of meeting a ferry captain named Clark who claimed to have sailed the same route without an accident for 23 years. That very day, however, the ferry sank. Later that day, Burroughs writes, he was thinking about Clark's ferry accident when he heard that a Flight 23 on a New York-Miami route had crashed. According to Burroughs, the pilot's name for the flight had also been Clark. Burroughs began collecting incidences of the number 23 in a scrapbook and referred to them in his writings.

The 23 Enigma can also be traced to Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The Illuminatus Trilogy (there called the "23/17 phenomenon"), Wilson's Cosmic Trigger I: Final Secret of the Illuminati (there called "The Law of 23s"), as well as to the Principia Discordia. In these works, 23 is considered to be alternately lucky, sacred to the goddess Eris, or just plain weird. The Principia quotes "The Law of Fives" in explaining this, as 2+3=5. The electronica group The KLF, who referenced The Illuminatus Trilogy extensively, also contrived the appearance of the number 23 throughout their work, in promotional material and in the cataloguing of their releases.

The link to disasters also corresponds with hexagram 23 of the "I Ching", P'o, translated as "Splitting Apart." The hexagram pictures a time in which inferior people surreptitiously overthrow the superior.

Though certain numbers have long been linked to unusual coincidences (13 and 17 also being favorites), the 23 Enigma could be just an example of apophenia. There is also the fact that 23, being a fairly low number, occurs often in the media, current events, and daily life. Skeptics point out that it appears probably no more often in conjunction with catastrophe or coincidence than 22 or 24, while believers often enjoy hunting for ways in which 23 is "revealed."

A 23 enigma list

This is a list of unusual happenings or circumstances commonly brought up as instances of the 23 enigma. It should be pointed out that some entries on this list are of dubious accuracy or verification. Others are the result of stretched applicability, such as when decimals or remainders are ignored, or when modern calendars are used to synch up to ancient ones.

True

Each parent contributes 23 chromosomes to the DNA of a child.

In humans the 23rd chromosome determines biological sex. True by convention; the numbering of chromosomes is actually arbitrary.

December 23, 2012 is the date the Mayan calendar ends, predicting an apocalyptic event. The Mayan calendar's "Long Count" does indeed end on either the 21st or 23rd of December of 2012, depending on calculation (see Maya calendar#End of the world?).

Both the ancient Egyptian and Sumerian calendars begin on 23 July. Both calendars were apparently calculated from the date of the heliacal rising of Sirius, which does occur at that latitude around that time of year.

Julius Caesar was stabbed 23 times when he was assassinated.

The Knights Templar had 23 Grand Masters, the last being Jacques de Molay.

John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and his supposed assassin -- Lee Harvey Oswald -- was assassinated on November 24, 1963, the 23rd being in between.

Twenty-two organizations merged to create the "Department of Homeland Security". This makes the DHS the twenty-third.

On a normal modern Latin alphabet, QWERTY keyboard, the 23rd letter W is right below and between 2 and 3.

"Franklin Delano Roosevelt" contains 23 letters.

Volkswagen's VW logo contains the roman numeral V (2 + 3 = 5) and the 23rd letter W. Volkswagen is based in Wolfsburg which starts with the 23rd letter.

The Salt March, initiated by Mohandas Gandhi to protest the Salt tax, lasted 23 days.

On Microsoft Windows computers, a line break is stored as ASCII code 13, then ASCII code 10. On Apple Macintosh computers running Mac OS 9 or earlier, a line break is stored as ASCII code 13. On Linux and Unix systems, a line break is stored as ASCII code 10. Supposedly, in telegraphy a line break is or was transmitted as a 23, as referred to in the article 23.

23 is the smallest number of integer-sided boxes that tile a box so that no two boxes share a common length.[1]

Benjamin Harrison, the 23rd President of the United States, served between Grover Cleveland's two non-consecutive terms.

Psalms, the longest book of the Bible, is the 23rd book of the Old Testament, and the famous "Divine Shepherd" psalm is Psalm 23.

Hurricane Katrina, considered to be the costliest and one of the five deadliest hurricanes to ever strike the United States, was declared an official hurricane by the National Hurricane Center on August 23, 2005. August is the 8th month, and 8 = 23.

The first Morse Code transmission - "What hath God wrought?" - was from the Bible passage Numbers 23:23.

W, the 23rd letter of the Latin alphabet has 2 points down, 3 points up.

Vanadium, the 23rd element is represented by the symbol V. In Roman numerals, V = 5 = 2 + 3.

It is believed that Adam and Eve had 23 daughters

It is believed that the verses of the Qur'an were revealed over a period of 23 years

Film references

In addition to the films 23 and The Number 23, references or usage of the number in movies include:

Serendipity: Sarah & Jonathan 'randomly' select floor 23 in the Waldorf Astoria elevators.

Kate & Leopold: Kate has 23 minutes to jump into a time vortex before it closes.

The Matrix Reloaded: in the opening code sequence, the final, most prominent number is 23, reversed as if looking from inside a mirror. The film was also released 5/2003.

The Fifth Element: A references to five (5 = 2 + 3), and the story is set in the year 2263, the 23rd century.

Television references

23 is one of "the numbers" on ABC's television show Lost. The series is 4 8 15 16 23 42. 8 + 15 = 23. 42 - 23 + 4 = 23. 42 + 4 = 46, which is double 23. However, these numbers form a spanning set of integers, and as such, any number can be obtained with some combination of these numbers.

In episode 4 of Life On Mars (BBC, 2006), Detective Sam Tyler (who finds himself transported back in time to 1973), goes to the house where he lived as a child, which is number 23.

Purple 23 is the location where Kramer sets the air conditioner in the parking garage episode of Seinfeld.

True with stretched applicability

Earth's period of rotation (sidereal day) is really 23 hours and 56 minutes, not exactly 24 hours. (That's 4 minutes shorter than a solar day since a day is defined as the time between two noons on the same meridian, which is slightly longer than the period of rotation because meanwhile the Earth is revolving around the Sun.) However, 24 hours is an arbitrary measurment of a day.

The first Moon landing, Apollo 11 was in the Sea of Tranquility at 23.63 degrees East. The second landing, Apollo 12, was in the Ocean of Storms, 23.42 degrees West. Also, 11 + 12, the numbers of the missions, add up to 23. Also, 42 + 63 = 105, 10 being a multiple of 5 and 5 = 2 + 3. Again, this is stretched as far as the degrees, and there are at least 11 pairs of integers that add to 23, not counting negative integers or zero.

Earth's axis is off by 23.5 degrees. This is a case of stretched applicability, and it depends on using the arbitrary figure of a circle having 360 degrees to come up with an answer near 23.

If you add up all the digits in 9/11/2001 you get 23. To make 23, you must add "11" as normal, but "2001" must be added as the numbers "2" and "1". Also arbitrarily implies decimal numerals.

Pi's first six digits (3.14159) added together equal 23. True, however arbitrarily implies decimal numerals. Also arbitrarily selects six digits.

The plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper (The Day the Music Died) occurred on February 3 (2/3), 1959. MM/DD date format is an arbitrary convention of American English; in most other countries, DD/MM is the date format convention.

Dubious

The human biorhythm is 23 days long. Though Hermann Swoboda and Wilhelm Fliess, the two doctors who first posited biorhythm, did determine that a human's 'physical cycle' was 23 days long, biorhythmics is at best a highly speculative and subjective area of study.

It takes 23 seconds for blood to circulate throughout the entire body. Blood is a suspension and does not flow at the same rate for all of its components. Furthermore, there is no single path blood takes when it circulates. For both these reasons, verification is both difficult and meaningless. In any case, the "second" is an arbitrary fraction of 1/86400 of a solar day.

The human arm has 23 joints in it. Unconfirmed, and confirmation depends on the definition of joint.

William Shakespeare was born on 23 April, died on 23 April and had his first portfolio published in 1623. His first play Titus Andronicus was performed January 23rd 1594. Shakespeare's actual date of birth remains unconfirmed, and the chronology of his plays is still uncertain (see his article for more information). The Comedy of Errors may have been performed before Titus, for example.

The Prophet Muhammad taught and received the wisdom of God for 23 years. There exist hadith that support this figure, but many more that give other lengths of time.

Hagbard (Karl Koch), German hacker and inventor of the Trojan horse spyware, died on 23 May. Probable, but not definite. Further, his death was most likely a suicide, with the date chosen intentionally to fit this numerology, since Koch was an avid fan of Robert Anton Wilson's trilogy.

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False

On average, every 23rd wave on a beach will be twice the size of the average wave. False. This idea exists in many parts of the world, with varying numbers of waves.

The first song on the first side of the first Beatles album took 23 takes. That would be "I Saw Her Standing There" from Please Please Me, but in reality, the song that took the most takes was "Love Me Do," at fifteen.

666 is said to be taken from 2/3 = 0.666. Very unlikely; see Number of the Beast for its history. Besides, 2/3 is 0.6 periodic or 0.667 by approximation. Actually, 333/500=0.666.

[Hermetic Hermit]

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23 Skidoo - wiki

23 skidoo (sometimes 23 skiddoo) is an American slang phrase popularized in the early Twentieth Century (first appearing before World War I and becoming popular in the Roaring Twenties). It generally refers to leaving quickly.

Book of Lies - Aleister Crowley

Chapter 23

SKIDOO

What man is at ease in his Inn?

Get out.

Thou hast become an in-itiate.

Get out.

But thou canst not get out by the way thou camest

in. The Way out is THE WAY.

Get out.

For OUT is Love and Wisdom and Power.

Get OUT.

If thou hast T already, first get UT.

Then get O.

And so at last get OUT.

COMMENTARY

Both "23" and "Skidoo" are American words meaning "Get out". This chapter describes the Great Work under the figure of a man ridding himself of all his accidents.

He first leaves the life of comfort; then the world at large; and, lastly, even the initiates.

In the fourth section it is shown that there is no return for one that has started on this path.

The word OUT is then analysed, and treated as a noun.

Besides the explanation in the note, O is the Yoni; T, the Lingus; and U, the Hierophant; the 5th card of the Tarot, the Pentagram. It is thus practically identical with IAO.

The rest of the chapter is clear, from the note.

NOTES

O = "The Devil of the Sabbath".

U = 8, the Hierophant or Redeemer.

T = Strength, the Lion.

T, manhood, the sign of the cross or phallus.

UT, the Holy Guardian Angel; UT, the first syllable of Udgita, see the Upanishads.

O, Nothing or Nuit.

23 the Magick Number

32 is the number of total manifestation. It is Ichid - ego/self - the prism through which is projected phenomenal manifestation on the obverse of the Tree. 32 is of the Tree of Life (obverse / manifestation / being / phenomena).

23 is the reverse of 32. Hence, 23 is the number emblematic of the other or reverse side of the Tree. 23 is the essence of the Tree of Death (reverse / non-manifestation / non-being / noumena). 23 'manifests' by dividing itself (into being): 2 ÷ 3 = .666 (the Beast). As 666 is to 32, so 23 is to the reverse of 666 that is 999. - The Beast 'made flesh' is a reflection or ingress of 23 / 999 (noumena) into phenomena as 32 / 666.

On another level, 23 signals the chaotic state between two stable states. As such, it fits into the category of 'in-between-ness'. It is therefore one of those things which is Not. 23 is one from the demonic hosts of Non-being about to invade Being.

The 93 Current will split apart the unconsciously created world we inhabit. 23 is not identical with 93, but an emanation from it.

23 -The Number of Physical Immortality

Each of the prime numbers has its own identity. 23 is the number for physical immortality, everlasting life, eternal youth, and the secret of the Holy Grail. Prime numbers are those numbers that can not be divided by any other number. Other primes: 11 is the number of magick, 13 is feminine unity, 17 is masculine unity.

The association of 23 with physical immortality has been developed in the writings of Aleister Crowley, Robert Anton Wilson, and myself. Crowley gave meaning to all the primes between 11 and 100. He felt that 23 was the frequency of the life force at its highest in nature, at the spring equinox. For mystics, immortal life is present in nature, and to find life at its highest vibration anywhere is to touch the secret of the Grail. Wilson, who is greatly influenced by Crowley, made 23 into his supreme number for synchronicity. Be aware of 23 as it appears in your life, and it will guide you along your pathway of magick and greater life.

It seems as if the universe has mysteriously placed 23 in many locations to act as signposts for the journey. Thankfulness is the quality of physical immortality. Try to generate this virtue in every environment in which you notice the magickal prime, 23.

http://pi.twentythree.us/23enigma/magick23.htm

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why strive for immortality in this world? noone else will have it. i wouldnt do it unless it was a trend.

but why... in these occult circles.. is immortality the goal?

[Hermetic Hermit]

why strive for immortality in this world? noone else will have it. i wouldnt do it unless it was a trend.

but why... in these occult circles.. is immortality the goal?

Many occultists aren't striving for immortality in the physical world but are striving to achieve immortality while in the physical world. Many see this world as the land of the dead because after one dies they are reborn only to die again and again. To escape that cycle is to achieve immortality, 23 Skidoo get out of here. Immortality isn't only an occult "goal". Taoists have long sought immortality and they saw working in harmony with Tao as the way to achieve this.

Does it sound as weird and creepy when it involves Taoism?

Bottom line, the occult isn't to be taken literally.

Jesus said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

He died, didn't he?

You would think if he meant literal physical death he would still be alive or it would mean that he hadn't found the meaning to his own sayings.

Edited April 19, 2006 by Hermetic Hermit

[mklsgl]

So that's why Michael Jordan chose it.

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[GIDEON MAGE]

for those who read the illuminatus trilogy, you need to read the appendix, where they explain everthing, and one of the main characters is shown a six-fingered infant. read it again to understand.

[Infrazael]

Interesting, but I'd say that 23 has no inherent meaning to "The Occult."

By "Occult" you are making a reference to a VERY VAST world of sorcery, magick, philosophy, theology, mythology, history, etc.

If you would narrow your topic, that would be great.