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Norad Tracks a "Fast Walker"

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A UFO the military tracked

May 5, 1984; USDSP Satellite detects "fastwalker"

Article by Dave Kauble

(Based on the Discovery Channel Segment, "Fast Walker")

"MAY 5, 1984, an alert was triggered at the North America Air Defense Command. Moving at 22,000 miles per hour, it was heading toward Earth and had been determined to NOT be incoming ballistic missiles, or any other type of conventionally explainable object. Once tracked, it was code-named "Fast Walker".

http://www.nicap.org/walker.htm

FAST WALKER VIDEO

http://www.anomalies.net/ufo/gov/dsp/dsp-001.ram

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rapid7

A UFO the military tracked

May 5, 1984; USDSP Satellite detects "fastwalker"

Article by Dave Kauble

(Based on the Discovery Channel Segment, "Fast Walker")

"MAY 5, 1984, an alert was triggered at the North America Air Defense Command. Moving at 22,000 miles per hour, it was heading toward Earth and had been determined to NOT be incoming ballistic missiles, or any other type of conventionally explainable object. Once tracked, it was code-named "Fast Walker".

http://www.nicap.org/walker.htm

FAST WALKER VIDEO

http://www.anomalies.net/ufo/gov/dsp/dsp-001.ram

Again, good bit of research skyeagle. After 21 odd years, I wonder if NORAD has now implemented a classification for identifying these fast walkers? :innocent:

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skyeagle409

Again, good bit of research skyeagle. After 21 odd years, I wonder if NORAD has now implemented a classification for identifying these fast walkers? :innocent:

Sky---Thank you!

NORAD's DSP satellites capture UFOs on a regular basis in space, known as "Fast Walkers" and "Slow Walkers." NORAD's DSP satellites have been known to capture UFO encounters within Earth's atmosphere such as the encounter between UFOs and Iranian F-4 Phantoms over Iran in September 1976. In the following, I found Dr. Carl Sagan's comments interesting.

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SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED

FLYING OBJECTS

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETIETH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

JULY 29, 1968

Dr. Sagan: "Apparently what is now happening is that the Air Force surveillance radar is throwing away the data that is of relevance for this inquiry. In other words, if it sees something that is not on a ballistic trajectory, or not in orbit, it ignores it, it throws it in the garbage."

"Well, that garbage is just the area of our interest. So if some method could be devised by the Air Force to save the output that they are throwing away from these space surveillance radars, it might be the least expensive way to significantly improve our information about these phenomena."

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Stellar

These fast and slow walkers could not be meteors? WHy was it determined that it was not any other type of conventional object?

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Spunned

These fast and slow walkers could not be meteors? WHy was it determined that it was not any other type of conventional object?

my words exactly..

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The Skeptic Eric Raven

This is very old news.

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FireMoon

Because meteorites do not travel in on a certain vector and then vere off suddenly away from earth. The original Skywalker that was tracked shot off on a vector that could not have been a result of a *gravitational bounce*..

Secondly, the size these objects are , even given they would lose some mass during entry to earth's atmospehere, would constitute a *threat* to localised areas should they impact on dry land. It would be wholly cavalier to just ignore them.

You do realise that an object the size of a pea burning up in earth's atmoosphere generates enough light to illuminate the whole sky as it crashes into the atmosphere?

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supercar

'For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us'

Major Gordon Cooper,Mercury astronaut

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snuffypuffer

So, are these things considered threat or no threat? I guess no threat, since all information is discarded. Or we're told it's discarded. I dunno, not real big into conspiracy theories, myself.

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skyeagle409

These fast and slow walkers could not be meteors? WHy was it determined that it was not any other type of conventional object?

Sky---The following text and links will show that "Fast Walkers" do not behave as meteors and asteroids do and NORAD does not go on alert everytime a meteor appears on the scene. "Fast Walkers" are special because they tend to maneuver and at times, their velocities are too slow to be meteors and some are much slower and why they are classified as "Slow Walkers."

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NORAD'S DSP Satellites and "Fast Walkers"

"The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver. And there you have hard evidence. You have telemetry from that satellite, you have information, you have systems, you have data that you can go back and investigate and check and verify."

"That doesn't sound like a meteorite to me." Regehr agrees: "It was there too long. It was going too slow. It didn't have enough speed for escape velocity." But escape it did."

http://www.btinternet.com/~meirionhughes/P...es/p9trajec.jpg

http://members.fortunecity.com/prisyura1/dsp.html

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skyeagle409

So, are these things considered threat or no threat? I guess no threat, since all information is discarded. Or we're told it's discarded. I dunno, not real big into conspiracy theories, myself.

Sky---They are no threat but back in the 1950's Air Force pilots were given orders to shoot down UFOs. In one case, an F-86 Sabre Jet fired upon a "flying saucer" from 3000 feet behind the object but the UFO left him in the dust. Afterwards, that pilot was the focused of his squadron commander's fury for firing upon that UFO, so NORAD knows that UFOs are no threat to mankind even though they have dismantled our Minuteman missiles.

In fact, that account was published in the following text book and we can safely label that UFO as a "Slow Walker."

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INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II

CHAPTER XXXIII

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF

UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

"Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast. We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped."

" As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance."

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sidel

These fast and slow walkers could not be meteors? WHy was it determined that it was not any other type of conventional object?

In theory, meteors are dark invisible objects that you can't even see until they hit our atmosphere. even big ones burn up over a few kilometers. the ones that do hit, dont burn up like a fireball all the way to the ground

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Cinders

This is an interesting incident.. but I am still perplexed how "NORAD" could detect this WAY back in 1984 yet fail us during 9/11/2001.

OMG! did I just say something *UNAMERICAN* against NORAD?! Does that mean I've lost faith? Oh well- no matter and who cares...

But this is an interesting incident back in 1984. Thank you for sharing this with us skyeagle. :tu:

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Stellar

Because meteorites do not travel in on a certain vector and then vere off suddenly away from earth.

And where in this report does it say that the fast walkers have done such maneuvers? It simply says it curved upwards. It wasnt described as a maneuver impossible to achieve naturally...

Secondly, the size these objects are , even given they would lose some mass during entry to earth's atmospehere, would constitute a *threat* to localised areas should they impact on dry land. It would be wholly cavalier to just ignore them.

The size has nothing to do with it. A relatively small object could still be picked up on radar, or a large object which comes close but does not impact the Earth. Hell, a very large object could enter the atmosphere at such an angle that by the time it hits the surface, nothing is left of it.

You do realise that an object the size of a pea burning up in earth's atmoosphere generates enough light to illuminate the whole sky as it crashes into the atmosphere?

Anyone whos ever seen a meteor shower knows that thats an exaggeration... and what relevance does it have?

"The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver.

Fair enough.

And there you have hard evidence. You have telemetry from that satellite, you have information, you have systems, you have data that you can go back and investigate and check and verify."

I'd like to see this hard evidence...

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skyeagle409

And where in this report does it say that the fast walkers have done such maneuvers? It simply says it curved upwards. It wasnt described as a maneuver impossible to achieve naturally...

Sky---"Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver. And there you have hard evidence.

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skyeagle409

You're welcome!

I found that NORAD tracks UFOS ("Fast Walkers" and "Slow Walkers" regularly. Here is another case from the 24 NORAD Region Senior Director's Log.

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Malmstrom AFB, Montana

8 November 1975

7:45 P.M.

NORAD radar detected unknowns heading south-southwest at 1200 feet. Once again, two F-106s were scrambled. SAT teams at areas K-1, K-3, L-1, L-4, and L-6 reported visual sightings of objects at low altitudes. The SAT teams reported that, when the jets approached, the UFOs would turn off their lights and become invisible. Then, when the jets had gone, the UFOs would turn their lights back on. At 9:15 P.M., teams in four different locations could see both the F-106s and the UFOs. Again, at 9:35, area L-5 reported that the unknown rose rapidly until it could not be distinguished from the stars.

From the 24 NORAD Region Senior Director's Log:

8 NOV 75 (0635Z) - A security camper team at K-4 reported UFO with white lights, one red light 50 yards behind white light. Personnel at K-1 seeing same object.

8 NOV 75 (0645Z) - Height personnel picked up objects 10 - 13,000 feet, Track J330, EKLB 0648, 18 knots, 9,500 feet. Objects as many as seven, as few as two A/C.

8 NOV 75 (0745Z) - Conversation about the UFOs; Advised to go ahead and scramble; but be sure and brief pilots, FAA. Go easy and the pilots will not descend below 12,000 ft.

8 NOV 75 (0753Z) - J330 unknown 0753. Stationary/seven knots/12,000. One (varies to seven) object. None, no possibility, EKLB 3746, two F-106, GTF, SCR 0754. NCOC notified.

8 NOV 75 (0820Z) - Lost radar contact, fighters broken off at 0825, looking in area of J331 (another height finder contact).

8 NOV 75 (0850Z) - Directed ftrs to RTB (return to base).

8 NOV 75 (0905Z) - From SAC CP: L-sites had fighters and objects; fighters did not get down to objects.

8 NOV 75 (0915Z) - From SAC CP: From four different points: Observed objects and fighters; when fighters arrived in area, the lights went out; when fighters departed, the lights came back on; to NCOC.

8 NOV 75 (00953Z) - From SAC CP: L-5 reported object increased in speed - high velocity, raised in altitude and now cannot tell object from stars. To NCOC.

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FireMoon

And where in this report does it say that the fast walkers have done such maneuvers? It simply says it curved upwards. It wasnt described as a maneuver impossible to achieve naturally...

Simple mathematics... and ive seen the Brit version of this documentary in which it is stated that the angle the object exited at could not have consitutued a natural *bounce* The object slowed then travelled in an arc before heading off into space. A *natural object could not do this. If it were solely under the infuence of earth's gravity it would, infact, accelarate, certianly not slow until it actually hit the earth's atmosphere.

The size has nothing to do with it. A relatively small object could still be picked up on radar, or a large object which comes close but does not impact the Earth. Hell, a very large object could enter the atmosphere at such an angle that by the time it hits the surface, nothing is left of it.

Anyone whos ever seen a meteor shower knows that thats an exaggeration... and what relevance does it have?

The average *strike* in a meteor shower is about the size of a grain of sand. Sorry but learn your basic astronomy , i have been studying it for over 40 yrs that quote was taken almost word for word from a Patrick Moore book on the subject. The fast walker in this report was a *sizeable* object ,not a grain of sand.

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htrn3000

In theory, meteors are dark invisible objects that you can't even see until they hit our atmosphere. even big ones burn up over a few kilometers. the ones that do hit, dont burn up like a fireball all the way to the ground

Hi,Cinders No offense,but you need to pull your skirt down,your ignorance is showing!NORAD nor any other,military or civilian organization,could have stopped 9-11.I know that some people feel that they need someone to blame other than the true culprits---THE HI-JACKER'S.Especially if they can blame THE President.But no amount of finger pointing,nor playing the blame game,will change what happened on that horrific day.Again I must say I'm sorry,but I can't stand people that bring up things that are brought either out of ignoranceor being horribly ill informed.Especially when the comments aren't even remotely germain to the subject at hand. LOL HTRN 3000

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Stellar

Simple mathematics... and ive seen the Brit version of this documentary in which it is stated that the angle the object exited at could not have consitutued a natural *bounce* The object slowed then travelled in an arc before heading off into space. A *natural object could not do this. If it were solely under the infuence of earth's gravity it would, infact, accelarate, certianly not slow until it actually hit the earth's atmosphere.

Ahh, you were relying on something else. The article in question didnt give enough detail to be able to judge whether a natural external factor could have been responsible for its arcing or whether its maneuver was too sharp...

The average *strike* in a meteor shower is about the size of a grain of sand.

Anywhere from that to even a pea sized meteor. Nevertheless, it IS an exaggeration to say that the whole sky is lit up. Hell, when the MIR space station entered the atmosphere on its final stages, or when the space shuttle is doing a reentry, it doesnt light up the whole sky as you said. Of course, it also depends on the composition of the object aswell, but I rather doubt that it'd light up the whole sky as you said.

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Tokoyo

And where in this report does it say that the fast walkers have done such maneuvers? It simply says it curved upwards. It wasnt described as a maneuver impossible to achieve naturally...

I believe when it mentioned that the object didn't have enough speed to qualify as escape velocity, or however it was put... I do agree that I'd like to see hard evidence, but I think it's fairly obvious that if it's anything close to what's being described and not simply fake data, it's quite a bizarre phenomenon that's being propelled by quite a peculiar system, natural or artificial.

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Trader

Hi,Cinders No offense,but you need to pull your skirt down,your ignorance is showing!NORAD nor any other,military or civilian organization,could have stopped 9-11.I know that some people feel that they need someone to blame other than the true culprits---THE HI-JACKER'S.Especially if they can blame THE President.But no amount of finger pointing,nor playing the blame game,will change what happened on that horrific day.Again I must say I'm sorry,but I can't stand people that bring up things that are brought either out of ignoranceor being horribly ill informed.Especially when the comments aren't even remotely germain to the subject at hand. LOL HTRN 3000

Well said

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FireMoon

Actually i have personal experience of *Fireballs* one inparticular in 75/76. On a roughlty 80% occluded night (80% cloud cover) an object lit the whole sky mometarily over my home town of Nuneaton in Warwickhire England. When say lit, i mean as if the whole sky was a lightning flash, it was a blindingly brilliant white lit that lit the whole town as if someone had set off some huge photographic flash.

The object finally came to earth in Shropshire about 60 miles North West of my home town. it weighed less than 3 lbs if memory serves me right.

The point is that, that meteor hit the atmosphere at a certain angle, most of the space debris , such as MIR, came into the atmosphere at such an angle that it gradually burnt up not instantly vapourised it. Had that been the case it would have a far more spectacular visual display. Plus, the Mir object was already in earth orbit not an outside object *crashing* straight into another object, effectively, coming the other way. Mir was to the earth like two cars meeting at 70 miles an hour going the same way and touching eachother. Fireballs are usually the equivalent of a cosmic head on crash.

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skyeagle409

NORAD has not only tracked UFOs in space, but within Earth's atmosphere as well. One famous incident involved an America West B-757 and a gigantic UFO over New Mexico.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case225.htm

Sky---I cannot provide a direct link to the video because of Angelfire's policy but you can go to this website and scholl on down until you reach the title: "NORAD Tracks Large UFO Over New Mexico."

Video

http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/wizardfl/MainVideoPage2.html

Edited by skyeagle409

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FireMoon

BTW the fastwalker from 84 was tracked for 9 minutes and came to within 15 miles of the sattellite tracking it.....

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Cinders

Hi,Cinders No offense,but you need to pull your skirt down,your ignorance is showing!NORAD nor any other,military or civilian organization,could have stopped 9-11.I know that some people feel that they need someone to blame other than the true culprits---THE HI-JACKER'S.Especially if they can blame THE President.But no amount of finger pointing,nor playing the blame game,will change what happened on that horrific day.Again I must say I'm sorry,but I can't stand people that bring up things that are brought either out of ignoranceor being horribly ill informed.Especially when the comments aren't even remotely germain to the subject at hand. LOL HTRN 3000

You grabbed the wrong "quote" dude (you grabbed sidel's post not mine) .. and I said NOTHING about BushyPuss in my last post, nor did I mention who "caused" 9/11.

Pull your PANTS up YOUR ignorance is showing.

I just find it hard to believe they could track something way back in the 80's but did a miserable job in 2001

Edited by Cinders

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