7 Percent Posted May 14, 2006 #1 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Brit hacker faces ending his life jailed in Guanatamo bay for showing how easy it is to crack American computers. I think this guy ought to be given a medal for showing how inept you are but you like punishing people over there.He wasnt in it for the money , just wanted info on UFO,s. Me i support him , i know its wrong to hack computers, but if you are inept enough to let it happen , thats your fault, let this guy go with a warning not a jail for life sentance. Story here http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/articl...2174677,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuahji Posted May 14, 2006 #2 Share Posted May 14, 2006 rofl you just had to add "how inept" we are... btw I posted this over in the conspiracy forum the other week. Good job though on making sure you threw in an anti-America comments. Seems everyone can take an article & throw in anti-America rubbish. Your idea about you support him... well... it's like saying you'd support a thief as well. After all, if the person doesn't have the security, then obiviously he/she deserves to have their items stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #3 Share Posted May 14, 2006 "Seems everyone can take an article & throw in anti-America rubbish" well the point is if we has tried in our law courts he would be free by now. Not being charged as a terrorist and thrown into gauntanamo. Which is stupid and illogical, no matter what way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #4 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Using your thread of logic, if you are inept enough to allow my country to invade you then you deserve what you get. If you are inept enough that you can't stop me, I can lift your wallet and you would deserve it. That makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like the bush logic you argue against so often What he did was illegal. Does he deserve to go to Guantanamo? no, but he does deserve the jail time that is set by law for the crime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #5 Share Posted May 14, 2006 which is about 2 years under the Missuse of Computers Act, dont think sentencing laws apply much in america though, its basicaly up to the judge to make it up as he goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuahji Posted May 14, 2006 #6 Share Posted May 14, 2006 That makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like the bush logic you argue against so often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted May 14, 2006 #7 Share Posted May 14, 2006 He hacked military computers in the hunt for classified infomation he probably saw. For the sake of national security, lock him up and toss away the key. That's what you get when you play with the NSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #8 Share Posted May 14, 2006 which is about 2 years under the Missuse of Computers Act, dont think sentencing laws apply much in america though, its basicaly up to the judge to make it up as he goes along. No there are set guidelines for each crime, but there is a range. Let's say that robbing a liquer store gets you 2-4 years. If it is your first crime and no gun was used you'd probably get the minimum sentence, but if you used a gun and beatup the clerk, and you had a long record, you'd get the maximum sentence... It is up to the judge to balance all of the details and come up with a just punishment as set by the law. In the case of breaking into military computers, it carries a much stiffer sentence than if he'd hacked into the local coffee shop rental computer...it is a crime against national security at that point. Off the top of my head I don't know the numbers, but it will be decades as far as I know...The law does not tolerate that at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #9 Share Posted May 14, 2006 he should have just raped or killed someone, he would get out of jail a lot earlier. Odd that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #10 Share Posted May 14, 2006 he should have just raped or killed someone, he would get out of jail a lot earlier. Odd that. Not really if you consider that if he were to give out the secured information that he could have come across it could very well expose thousands or even millions of people to security risks...It effects much more than just a single person...Not to minimize murder or rape at all, it is just that the scope of the crime is huge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #11 Share Posted May 14, 2006 (edited) wasnt really though was it. It would have been if he had actually used his knowledge of your defence systems adversly, but he didnt. So he isnt guilty of potential crimes, thats like me buying a gun and the copper sayin "AHA!, you could have killed six people sonny jim, off to jail" Edited May 14, 2006 by PLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogfish Posted May 14, 2006 #12 Share Posted May 14, 2006 it is just that the scope of the crime is huge It's called National Security PLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #13 Share Posted May 14, 2006 and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #14 Share Posted May 14, 2006 wasnt really though was it. It would have been if he had actually used his knowledge of your defence systems adversly, but he didnt. So he isnt guilty of potential crimes, thats like me buying a gun and the copper sayin "AHA!, you could have killed six people sonny jim, off to jail" Well actually I think it would be more akin to using the gun to shoot at the cop, but missing him... It is still a crime by definition and something that is vry serious business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #15 Share Posted May 14, 2006 yes that is punishable for up to two years imprisonment. But ah, you always gotta make an example dont ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #16 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Your country only charges 2 years for attempted murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #17 Share Posted May 14, 2006 attempted?, probably, well youd be out in two anyway, you only get 9 years for rape, out in less. No but in this country 2 years, that is the term he would have served. If tried by our law courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted May 14, 2006 #18 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Well the same kind of thing happens here, it is just the offence of hacking into government computers is much more; national security is serious business especially considering how much is at stake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercar Posted May 14, 2006 #19 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Hahahahahaha! There is NO CHANCE this guy will go to Guantanamo. You think everyone convicted of a crime in the United States automatically goes to Guatanamo? Now that is just FUNNY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted May 14, 2006 #20 Share Posted May 14, 2006 they do if they get convicted of being a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Percent Posted May 15, 2006 Author #21 Share Posted May 15, 2006 If Americans dont password protect their computers when dealing with national security i would call that inept , not American bashing. I will post a link with a video interview with this guy , watch it and then see if you want him to rot in jail. Link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/clic...ine/4977134.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogfish Posted May 15, 2006 #22 Share Posted May 15, 2006 If Americans dont password protect their computers when dealing with national security i would call that inept No, its called hacking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted May 15, 2006 #23 Share Posted May 15, 2006 If Americans dont password protect their computers when dealing with national security i would call that inept , not American bashing. I will post a link with a video interview with this guy , watch it and then see if you want him to rot in jail. Link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/clic...ine/4977134.stm Hmm... So if you have a loaded gun in a street, shoot someone to death with it... It was their fault for being in the way of your bullet and you shouldn't be in trouble? I mean...come on...you didn't mean to kill them. You just were shooting them to see if it would make them bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Percent Posted May 15, 2006 Author #24 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Hmm... So if you have a loaded gun in a street, shoot someone to death with it... It was their fault for being in the way of your bullet and you shouldn't be in trouble? I mean...come on...you didn't mean to kill them. You just were shooting them to see if it would make them bleed. What this has to do with anything i don't know, the hacker is no threat to anybody all he did was make Americans look stupid because they cant be bothered to protect their computers in a basic way. If this is a life sentence you Americans need to lighten up , your becoming the new Gestapo in the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted May 15, 2006 #25 Share Posted May 15, 2006 What this has to do with anything i don't know, the hacker is no threat to anybody all he did was make Americans look stupid because they cant be bothered to protect their computers in a basic way. If this is a life sentence you Americans need to lighten up , your becoming the new Gestapo in the World. Doesn't matter if there wasn't protections on there, his actions where still illegal and are a threat to national security. He wanted to play with the big boys and now he can't handle the heat. He's going to get screwed pretty bad in all of this as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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