Trouble in the UK?

[Kuahji]

I was listening to an interesting show on the radio today. I heard things are out of control over in the UK. It's like people can't say anything about Muslims, but Muslims can take to the streats with slogans like "here comes your 9/11," "death to the west," etc without being punished. I also heard the mayor of London got suspended for being politcally incorrect. Then there was a thing where politicians can't use the word homosexual anymore because it offends the "people sexually orientated to the same sex." Lastly, all the known terrorists in London & the police can't do anything about it because of the new EU human rights laws (the terrorists can't be arrested do to lack of evidence & can't be sent back to their home country because they'll be killed... so the government is "forced" to even pay for their housing & food or it'd be against the EU human rights laws). Once the terrorists sneak in there is no getting rid of them...

So is all of this true??? It's sad to see the UK having so many problems trying to be "politcally correct." The show also outlined how the US & the UK are drifting apart because of all the EU laws & regulations...

[HurtingSpirit]

I was listening to an interesting show on the radio today. I heard things are out of control over in the UK. It's like people can't say anything about Muslims, but Muslims can take to the streats with slogans like "here comes your 9/11," "death to the west," etc without being punished. I also heard the mayor of London got suspended for being politcally incorrect. Then there was a thing where politicians can't use the word homosexual anymore because it offends the "people sexually orientated to the same sex." Lastly, all the known terrorists in London & the police can't do anything about it because of the new EU human rights laws (the terrorists can't be arrested do to lack of evidence & can't be sent back to their home country because they'll be killed... so the government is "forced" to even pay for their housing & food or it'd be against the EU human rights laws). Once the terrorists sneak in there is no getting rid of them...

So is all of this true??? It's sad to see the UK having so many problems trying to be "politcally correct." The show also outlined how the US & the UK are drifting apart because of all the EU laws & regulations...

Its no different then here in the US.

Being White of any nation takes away your right to say anything about any ethnic group without being racist. However every other ethnic group has the right to say whatever they like about white people. I also find it amusing that some white people feel they have to take the side of other ethnic group in the matter, so they feel, or so they look, like they are not racist. Its really quite amusing watching a white person try to make himself out to not be a racist.

Edited May 30, 2006 by HurtingSpirit

[Tommy]

Hi Kuahji, I am against this level of political correctness that is being imposed on the UK, but I wouldn’t ascribe that all to the influence of the EU per se.

The idea behind political correctness I think is to be equally tolerant and respectable to everyone. Now, while this sounds like a great idea, it has been taken to absurd lengths where everything is now deemed to cause offense to someone or another. Therefore terms and phrases are renamed but not redefined. It’s really a rather pointless exercise that results in confusion above anything else. Instead of calling a spade a spade, let’s call it something else….

Political correctness tries to force civility on the public through degrees of censorship, when in reality it can only come through understanding. Ideally no one would negatively discriminate against anyone because they would know it is wrong, rather than having to be told by the government. Once you accept that some people will always be offended by any actions taken, you realize how ridiculous this PC culture has become.

Anyone for vegelate?

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Edited May 30, 2006 by Tommy

[Talon]

It's like people can't say anything about Muslims, but Muslims can take to the streats with slogans like "here comes your 9/11," "death to the west," etc without being punished.

Yep, that’s true. In fact they had a ‘death to all white people’ parade only a month or so ago.

Then there was a thing where politicians can't use the word homosexual anymore because it offends the "people sexually orientated to the same sex."

I haven't heard anything about that. I didn’t see how gays would find 'homosexual' insulting since it’s the formal/scientific name for their sexual preference. I don't see heterosexuals getting upset about being call that.

Lastly, all the known terrorists in London & the police can't do anything about it because of the new EU human rights laws (the terrorists can't be arrested do to lack of evidence & can't be sent back to their home country because they'll be killed... so the government is "forced" to even pay for their housing & food or it'd be against the EU human rights laws). Once the terrorists sneak in there is no getting rid of them...

Yep, that’s pretty much true as well. We're not allowed to deport people to countries they might face arrest or poor standards of living in. Which means we're pretty much stuck with any potential terrorist who decides to come here, while his housing, health, bank-account are all funded by the tax-payers.

So is all of this true??? It's sad to see the UK having so many problems trying to be "politcally correct." The show also outlined how the US & the UK are drifting apart because of all the EU laws & regulations...

For the record not all of the UK population are in favour of this. Most think its mince. I know dozens of people who would happily deport or shoot all possible terrorist suspects. I know only 2 who argue that their human rights are too important blah blah blah. In the aftermath of the Beslan attacks almost everyone I know agreed the terrorists were evil and the one who lived should be killed. But one of my friends argued that he had ‘human rights’, and ‘he had his reasons for doing what he did’, and society should be judged by how it treats its dissidents and a civilised society would always treat them well. . . . bullsh*t. Scr*w their human rights! I don’t give a **** what his reasons where for killing children, blowing up schools is never justified! And I believe a society should be judged on how it protects its innocents!

Now, as for the EU. While they have all these ridiculous PC laws. The courts are also to blame. The judges in the country as insanely soft on criminals. E.g. Judges love handing out only 2 years for raping children nowadays in the UK… they could had out more, but they don’t because they think the ‘poor’ rapist might not like jail, so best not put him away for too long.

The government could also ignore the EU. Several European states tell the EU to get lost over certain issues. After 7/7 tons of European states deported all their terrorist suspects. The UK was the only one that said it couldn’t because of the terrorists’ human rights.

Thirdly, lawyers make a lot of money giving scum endless appeals at tax-payers expense. If someone blows up a building, but the lawyers can make tons of money getting him off after a few years then it will happen.

Fourthly the bleeding heart pressure groups are more vocal than the sane members of society.

So the problem is multi-fold. The EU is a problem, but our leaders could ignore it if they wanted too. The courts are far too soft. The lawyers make a lot of money defending these people, and along with the soft judges and obscure EU laws getting them set free. And the bleeding hearts who make up 20% of the population, make enough noise to make people think they are 90%.

The main problem is with our leaders being from the middle-classes. They middle classes sit in their big houses, behind big walls, in the nicest parts of the country and are completely oblivious to how normal people suffer under crime. Lets face it if a bomb goes off it’s the working classes who will lose most people in the blast. So basically the middle-classes who run the courts and government, run them according to their fuzzy-wuzzy views on how the world works.

[Mr Black]

How about this then.......................

In america people hang their flag with pride, everyone does this shops homes even randomly on the street! This i respect greatly

In the uk with the world cup up and coming people like to support thier country! Which is good right? Wrong...........people in the public eye in four or five English cities are not allowed to fly or even wear something with Englands colours on! :angry2: taxi drivers for example are not allowed to wear england football tops :angry2: etc etc etc.........................all so as not to offend people of an ethnic minority. Admittedly i do not want to offend anyone but this is ridiculous!

But if people live in England then they have to accept the way we do things, this is our country afterall..........its a little thing called NATIONAL PRIDE!

Im glad i got that off my chest cheers UM

[Talon]

In the uk with the world cup up and coming people like to support thier country! Which is good right? Wrong...........people in the public eye in four or five English cities are not allowed to fly or even wear something with Englands colours on! taxi drivers for example are not allowed to wear england football tops etc etc etc.........................all so as not to offend people of an ethnic minority. Admittedly i do not want to offend anyone but this is ridiculous!

But if people live in England then they have to accept the way we do things, this is our country afterall..........its a little thing called NATIONAL PRIDE!

Just so you know, England and the UK are not one and the same.

[glenndo4000]

basically our government (englands) is completely screwed up in my opinion, and your'e pretty much right kuahji, we can't talk about muslims at all but they can say what they like about us. the government is to blame and all the politicians are useless!

[Mr Black]

Just so you know, England and the UK are not one and the same.

it was a mistake dude. No need to be condersending.

[Mr Black]

Whats with your signature Talon? Its interesting. Are you a person that despises the English? Im not asking to cause confrontation, just curious

[Talon]

basically our government (englands) is completely screwed up in my opinion, and your'e pretty much right kuahji, we can't talk about muslims at all but they can say what they like about us. the government is to blame and all the politicians are useless!

Actually the government (Westminster) is the government for the entire UK, not just England. And as the topic states its a UK wide problem.

Just so you know, England and the UK are not one and the same.

it was a mistake dude. No need to be condersending.

I wasn’t being condescending, I was just pointing out the error in saying ‘In the uk’ only to start talking about England. It made it appear as if they were one in the same. And trust me, I know a few English people who think Scotland is just North England and Wales just West England without realising we’re different countries. So I was just pointing it out that we were.

Whats with your signature Talon? Its interesting. Are you a person that despises the English? Im not asking to cause confrontation, just curious

I don't see how signature having a map of all the Celtic states on it mean I might despise the English. By that same logic it means I despise the French, Germans, Danish, Polish, Russians etc because I haven’t got them highlighted either. And just for the record I don’t. My signature no more implies racism against the English, than your signature of the Federation Starship Enterprise insinuates that you are a person who despises Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians.

I simply have a map of the Celtic States as my signature, there is nothing anti-English about it.

[Kuahji]

Here is the article about the London mayor being suspended http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...don/4746016.stm

Aparrently he made a remark comparing a journalist to a concentration camp guard (or something like that, a bit hard to tell what exactly happened).

[Talon]

Here is the article about the London mayor being suspended http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...don/4746016.stm

Aparrently he made a remark comparing a journalist to a concentration camp guard (or something like that, a bit hard to tell what exactly happened).

Thats really old news but yeah, Ken Livingstone said to a journalist who kept hounding him that it was like they were in a consentration camp and the journalists was the guard. The PC brigade went insane, claiming it was racist and Livingstone had to apologise. It was mad, he was just calling the guys beviour like that of a fascist. The racists were the PC brigade because they wouldn't have batted an eyelid if he'd called a non-Jew a concentration camp guard, since the term is not racist, its insulting the person's behaviour not their race. Its just typical PC brigade moaning.

Hell, I've got a friend called Livingstone at work and he's black. If I said 'Yo Stone, I'm going to the venting machine for some chocolate, want some?" I bet the PC brigade would claim that was racist and I was making some reference to his skin colour. Thats the kind of crap political correctness is coming out with nowadays.

Edited May 30, 2006 by Talon

[Mr Black]

Actually the government (Westminster) is the government for the entire UK, not just England. And as the topic states its a UK wide problem.

it was a mistake dude. No need to be condersending.

I wasn’t being condescending, I was just pointing out the error in saying ‘In the uk’ only to start talking about England. It made it appear as if they were one in the same. And trust me, I know a few English people who think Scotland is just North England and Wales just West England without realising we’re different countries. So I was just pointing it out that we were.

I don't see how signature having a map of all the Celtic states on it mean I might despise the English. By that same logic it means I despise the French, Germans, Danish, Polish, Russians etc because I haven’t got them highlighted either. And just for the record I don’t. My signature no more implies racism against the English, than your signature of the Federation Starship Enterprise insinuates that you are a person who despises Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians.

I simply have a map of the Celtic States as my signature, there is nothing anti-English about it.

Fair do's Talon, i did not mean the question to sound confrontational, i was just curious, Thanks for the explaination. It is a nice signiture as well.

[Talon]

Fair do's Talon, i did not mean the question to sound confrontational, i was just curious, Thanks for the explaination. It is a nice signiture as well.

Thankyou And I like you're moving Enterprise also (although I think Dominion ships and the movie Enterprises look cooler )

Edited May 31, 2006 by Talon

[Mr Black]

Thankyou And I like you're moving Enterprise also (although I think Dominion ships and the movie Enterprises look cooler )

Yeah i like my Avatar (Thanks Barman ).

My fav is the defiant on DS9

[Talon]

My fav is the defiant on DS9

Defiant was indeed cool. Both because it looked like the Millenuim Falcon, but also because captained by Sisko (coolest captain ever) and kicked Dominion a$$

Enterprise was my favourite series though, the DS9 being my second.

[Mr Black]

Defiant was indeed cool. Both because it looked like the Millenuim Falcon, but also because captained by Sisko (coolest captain ever) and kicked Dominion a$$

Enterprise was my favourite series though, the DS9 being my second.

I know its a bit off the topic of the thread but i have all the Next generation episodes on vid Im proud of that Picards my fav

Its my fav aswell, second voyager but some of the charactrhers were a bit lame.

[thebarman]

My fav is the defiant on DS9

You should have said I'd of animated that one for you, well.....maybe next time

Getting back on topic, does anybody know anyone who is actually offended by a flag flying in the country to which it belongs?

You here about these people all the time but I've never actually met any. I'd really like to, not just so I could slap them round the chops for being so stupid but also so I know what kind of absolute plonker it takes to complain about such a trivial thing.

Still, I cant say I've ever been affected by the flag ban in my area, the council here are Tory and the neighbouring one is BNP, plenty of flag waiving around here.

[Mr Black]

You should have said I'd of animated that one for you, well.....maybe next time

Getting back on topic, does anybody know anyone who is actually offended by a flag flying in the country to which it belongs?

You here about these people all the time but I've never actually met any. I'd really like to, not just so I could slap them round the chops for being so stupid but also so I know what kind of absolute plonker it takes to complain about such a trivial thing.

Still, I cant say I've ever been affected by the flag ban in my area, the council here are Tory and the neighbouring one is BNP, plenty of flag waiving around here.

Cheers Barman, my Avatar is peachy as it is thanks dude

I know of no one who opposess the flag flying and if i did i slap them in the chops as you stated.

WB Barman, you been away for awhile

[soonerlover]

basically our government (englands) is completely screwed up in my opinion, and your'e pretty much right kuahji, we can't talk about muslims at all but they can say what they like about us. the government is to blame and all the politicians are useless!

I really fell for our English and UK brothers and sisters. It is not right what is happening in your area and it should'nt be tolerated. It is slowly becoming the same way here. Actually it pretty much already has. We need to get the right people in office to stop this PC madness.

[Talon]

Getting back on topic, does anybody know anyone who is actually offended by a flag flying in the country to which it belongs?

No. But I know a Muslim who is offended by Kilts. Says its ‘not relevant to modern Scotland’. Like what the h*ll would he know about modern Scotland he only moved here from Tunisia 4 years ago.

Although flying Scottish flags (the Saltire and Rampant) without local authority permission was illegal until New Labour came into power as it was seen as ‘treason against the crown’. I don’t know if the law was ever enforced, but removing it was one of the first things Hollyrood did.

[thebarman]

No. But I know a Muslim who is offended by Kilts. Says its ‘not relevant to modern Scotland’.

You should tell him by that rational Mohammad isn't relevant to modern Islam, what a stupid thing to say.

[Essan]

Getting back on topic, does anybody know anyone who is actually offended by a flag flying in the country to which it belongs?

As far as I know, no-one.

Although I understand a lot of people get offended by the insinuation that they might get offended by something totally inoffensive....

(Hope that makes sense)

We actually have a govt sponsored organisation called the Commission for Racial Equality (or, as I prefer, the Commission for the Perpetuation of Racism) whose sole job seems to be to invent new things that anyone who isn't white, english and middle class might be offended by. This is the sort of activity it's involved in:-

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1786853,00.html

In other words, we have to employ people according to colour of skin or ethnic origin, and not by qualifications and suitabilty for the job!

Apparently the Commission's chairman (whom I personally consider to be extremely racist, btw) has said he expects me to riot this summer because of the number of foreigners coming to my town to work on the local fruit farms.....

There is absolutely no question that, in many cities in this country, and indeed some small towns, both settled immigrant communities and also new immigrant communities – Portuguese agricultural workers, Poles and so forth – are changing the landscape.

"Some people are anxious about this and the way they respond is sometimes governed by what the far right will do, because they will exploit it.

"So – anywhere in this country – it is possible that we might see what happened in Oldham once again.

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticl...ticleID=1527630

We have a lot of Poles, South Africans and even Iraqis in my town. They work hard, are well behaved and contribute to the local economy. They have changed my town. For the better.

We won't be rioting over them. But we may be marching on the racist bigot Trevor Phillips if he's not careful though......

[Talon]

We actually have a govt sponsored organisation called the Commission for Racial Equality (or, as I prefer, the Commission for the Perpetuation of Racism) whose sole job seems to be to invent new things that anyone who isn't white, english and middle class might be offended by. This is the sort of activity it's involved in:-

I think you can stop at 'white', since the CRE hates all of them, whether your English, Middle class or otherwise. We’re talking about a bunch of people who released a 2001 report stating all white people were racist against blacks. Anyone else see the irony of this group of black-supremacists calling other people (especially an entire race!) racist?!

The Commission for Racial Equality should pick a new name for itself, like the Commission for Racial Inequality or the Commission for Racial Supremacy that more accurately shows its function. The biggest jokes is these fascists are funded by the tax-payer.

[Erikl]

It's the same here... I think it's a problem of all democratic western states...