supercar Posted June 2, 2006 #1 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) By Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAY Olympic Stadium in Berlin, where African-American sprinter Jesse Owens famously won four gold medals in the 1936 Olympics in front of Adolf Hitler, will host six matches of the World Cup soccer finals, including the championship July 9. The stadium has been renovated with a stunning steel-and-glass roof and luxury suites, with one VIP lounge bearing Owens' name. Despite the new look, the stadium might have a hard time escaping its history as a symbol of racial intolerance. Seventy years after what became known as the Nazi Olympics, increasingly menacing racism within Europe is a major story line for this edition of soccer's quadrennial showcase. In Germany and several other European nations, crowds shower minority players with racial insults at times. Several of the U.S. team's African-American players who compete professionally in European leagues say they have been targets of discrimination and verbal and even physical abuse because of their race — on and off the field. There are concerns about how racial incidents might affect the World Cup in Germany, where the 32-team tournament begins June 9 and will be held in 12 cities. An anti-racism group in Germany is so concerned that it has warned non-white World Cup visitors to avoid rural towns and villages outside Berlin, in the formerly communist eastern part of the country. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worl...rance-cup_x.htm There must be an econmic recession in Germany. That's the only explanation I can think of to explain this behaviour. Edited June 2, 2006 by supercar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallheru Posted June 2, 2006 #2 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Sorry, but one would be naive to think that racism is a european fenomenon. And I seriously believe that there won't be many incidents of racism in the world cup. If you exclude of course the neo-nazis, which I personally believe should be banned from....existence. Anyhow, racism is a global problem, I don't think the world cup will add anything to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarman Posted June 2, 2006 #3 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Odd that they decided to use a photo of the crowd from an Italian football match rather than a German one which is what the article refers to. ....and what exactly does an economic recession have to do with explaining racism? People are racist usually because of a lack of understanding, it is unfortunate that racism plays such a big part in football culture, one of the reasons I hate football culture so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Black Posted June 2, 2006 #4 Share Posted June 2, 2006 If England were to put out a warning like this then the world would be calling for the world cup to be postponed and moved! There will enevitibly be a lot of trouble that comes with football, i find it terrible! The only good thing is at least they put the warning out (they could of not)! These Racists are just narrow minded plonkers! Unfortunatly any country you go to will have its fair share........ :angry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie_Dwarf Posted June 2, 2006 #5 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Odd that they decided to use a photo of the crowd from an Italian football match rather than a German one which is what the article refers to. You would not be able to get such a photo at a German match. It is illegal in Germany to display Nazi insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Black Posted June 2, 2006 #6 Share Posted June 2, 2006 You would not be able to get such a photo at a German match. It is illegal in Germany to display Nazi insignia. So it should be , should be illegal world wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarman Posted June 2, 2006 #7 Share Posted June 2, 2006 You would not be able to get such a photo at a German match. It is illegal in Germany to display Nazi insignia. Well yes that's my point, the article creates a false impression that Germany is more racist than it is. It seems to be stirring up a fear of racist violence without any real evidence other than the opinion of an anti-racist group (which doesn't even get named) and vague reports from African-American players in "several countries in Europe". I see no reason why racism would play any bigger or smaller part in the world cup than in previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 2, 2006 #8 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Sorry, but one would be naive to think that racism is a european fenomenon. And I seriously believe that there won't be many incidents of racism in the world cup. If you exclude of course the neo-nazis, which I personally believe should be banned from....existence. Anyhow, racism is a global problem, I don't think the world cup will add anything to it. true... racism exists everywhere... and towards all nationalities.. which is saddening, i think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted June 2, 2006 #9 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) So it should be , should be illegal world wide What about freedom of expression in the US? I know it isn't right to hang a swastika around and you'd never see me with one, but if you start taking our rights away were not that great of a country anymore. These are the rights are grandfathers, fathers, sons and daughters fought for. The right for you to hang or fly any flag you want be it the Mexican flag to the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag. If you start small by saying we can't fly one flag, then I can see in the future how easily it will be to start saying how many other flags aren't acceptable to fly.... Edited June 2, 2006 by Otacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 2, 2006 #10 Share Posted June 2, 2006 What about freedom of expression in the US? I know it isn't right to hang a swastika around and you'd never see me with one, but if you start taking our rights away were not that great of a country anymore. well, as far as I know, the skins in LA don't get arrested for having swatstika tattos on their forheads... you have to be careful though, because the swatstika is also attributed toward other religions, and was around a long time before the Nazi party... The thing is, a lot of people say "oh, man in German history, there is a huge gap between 1939 and 1945 because the Germans want to cover it up" which isn't true... The reason that there used to be a large gap in German history is because the German government were so embarrased and disgusted; that they really were ashaed to bring the holocaust up... however, as far as I know, it is mandatory to teach school children about WW2 especially the holocaust... which is good BTW, is it true that Hitler was part Jewish? And for all you neo-nazis out there... You disgust me... Hitler was a madman and a monster. Neo-nazis have no right to live... i'm part jewish, but even if i wasn't i'd still be horrified... :angry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Black Posted June 2, 2006 #11 Share Posted June 2, 2006 What about freedom of expression in the US? I know it isn't right to hang a swastika around and you'd never see me with one, but if you start taking our rights away were not that great of a country anymore. These are the rights are grandfathers, fathers, sons and daughters fought for. The right for you to hang or fly any flag you want be it the Mexican flag to the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag. If you start small by saying we can't fly one flag, then I can see in the future how easily it will be to start saying how many other flags aren't acceptable to fly.... Freedom of speech i absolutly agree with I dont necesarilly believe you should compare the Swastika emblem(which isnt a recognised flag anyway) to flags from any other nations.... its not the same thing. its the swastika emblem that should be ban! Purely for what it stands for. People that use that emblem should not have a right to freedom of speech (but thats my opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjuro Posted June 2, 2006 #12 Share Posted June 2, 2006 What about freedom of expression in the US? I know it isn't right to hang a swastika around and you'd never see me with one, but if you start taking our rights away were not that great of a country anymore. These are the rights are grandfathers, fathers, sons and daughters fought for. The right for you to hang or fly any flag you want be it the Mexican flag to the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag. If you start small by saying we can't fly one flag, then I can see in the future how easily it will be to start saying how many other flags aren't acceptable to fly.... So you say that everyone has freedom to be a racist and praise Hitler? Racism and Nazi is one thing, but flags is another, Mexican flag isnt a sign of horrible crimes against humanity, nazi flag is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 2, 2006 #13 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Freedom of speech i absolutly agree with I dont necesarilly believe you should compare the Swastika emblem(which isnt a recognised flag anyway) to flags from any other nations.... its not the same thing. its the swastika emblem that should be ban! Purely for what it stands for. People that use that emblem should not have a right to freedom of speech (but thats my opinion). aaahhh... but as I said, the swatstika is used in a religious sense as well... in Hindu religion, buddism... so it is outlawed in a strictly nazi sense... but not in a religious sense... check this link out about the swatstika.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Rhy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted June 2, 2006 #14 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'm glad they do it in the open where the public can see and learn from it instead of behind the scenes subversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 2, 2006 #15 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) So because Germany had a bad past they are going to keep blaming the people in and around Berlin for racism? Pretty stupid. So it should be , should be illegal world wide *takes deep breath* Ahh... The sweet sweet fresh air of freedom. [edit - removed image] Edited June 3, 2006 by Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 2, 2006 #16 Share Posted June 2, 2006 So because Germany had a bad past they are going to keep blaming the people in and around Berlin for racism? Pretty stupid. *takes deep breath* Ahh... The sweet sweet fresh air of freedom. please... don't even joke about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie_Dwarf Posted June 3, 2006 #17 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) So because Germany had a bad past they are going to keep blaming the people in and around Berlin for racism? Pretty stupid. *takes deep breath* Ahh... The sweet sweet fresh air of freedom. Try burning the Stars and Stripes in your country Kratos and see where that gets you. Your Congress has realised the power of insignia as has the German government. Edited June 3, 2006 by Waspie_Dwarf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 3, 2006 #18 Share Posted June 3, 2006 please... don't even joke about it Free speech and expression is something we should all hold dear regardless of your opinions on the matter. Freedom is disagree is still always there as well. Try burning the Stars and Stripes in your country Kratos and see where that gets you. Your Congress has realised the power of insignia as has the German government. Last time I checked that was still legal, Waspie Dwarf. I don't agree with it, but they can still do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomania Posted June 3, 2006 #19 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I think that banning Nazi reference in Germany is lame. Seriously... It's pretty much just trying to act like it didn't happen, from what I gather - which is also influenced by my opinion. And remember, denying that the holocaust happened is illegal too. I'm just critical of the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 3, 2006 #20 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Free speech and expression is something we should all hold dear regardless of your opinions on the matter. Freedom is disagree is still always there as well. Still, you can understand why i'd find it offensive what with you posting the nazi flag up on the forums, and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomania Posted June 3, 2006 #21 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I don't know, Why would anyone be offended? It's a cross on a flag. Who cares? I have to say, people are too touchy these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 3, 2006 #22 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) Still, you can understand why i'd find it offensive what with you posting the nazi flag up on the forums, and all... And it's not offensive to me? My grandpa was shelled more then once during WW2 and nearly died floating in the sea for days during the winter because of the Nazis. Just proving my point that free speech is something to be valued regardless of who disagrees with it. Edited June 3, 2006 by __Kratos__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyknow Posted June 3, 2006 #23 Share Posted June 3, 2006 And it's not offensive to me? My grandpa was shelled more then once during WW2 and nearly died floating in the sea for days during the winter because of the Nazis. Just proving my point that free speech is something to be valued regardless of who disagrees with it. true... and sorry about your gpops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted June 3, 2006 #24 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Why would anyone be offended? It's a cross on a flag. Who cares? I have to say, people are too touchy these days. Why is it you think people fly flags from their houses, or flags from their work, or flags anywhere for that matter? Is it because a flag is just a cross/stripe/splash of color on a piece of cloth? No. It is because people ascribe certain values to that flag. As Waspie said earlier, try going into any city and burn the Country flag and see what reaction you get. While it may or maybe not be legal, try justifying it with cries of ‘its only a flag, who cares’? I’m pretty sure that many people will seem to care enough to inflict pain to compensate for the attack on their personal beliefs. But don't feel you have to take my word for that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Absurdity Posted June 3, 2006 #25 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Free speech and expression is something we should all hold dear regardless of your opinions on the matter. Freedom is disagree is still always there as well. ah, but you know as well as anone else freedom of speech dosent fly everywhere. Pity really, but words can be harsh. Beliefs, ideals, opinions, everyone has em. Not everyone agrees. It is nice to have the freedom if you have it. Its needed as a power keeping tool if you dont. Politics gets on my nerves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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