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Pax Unum

the mother is the golden gate city in the east and the father is throne apon high in the west

on the capital island that is.

where did you get this idea from? what is the original source? maybe I can read the original source and get a idea what you're talking about... a link would be nice, but if it's a book maybe the library will have it :D

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

pax how do's the mother and father got to do with atlantis well ,well,well tree holes in the ground thats a deep subject bye lest not forget the son will were ater.

the mother in the east lets say she was the first big port city with all the bells and whisels to boot,

but plato talks about after the first fall from grace for they dranke the blood of bulls .

showing there pagan ways and the black magic flowed like water in the streets all thow

those streets were made of gold lets say.

the father in the west lets say he was the first holy city for he was apon high, city of gods (men and woman of most inlightment).

were they drank the divine liquid of life ,good chants it had water and herbs (pot).

i'm only gessing,but if those that were inlightened like moses rubbed anointing oil were it was mixed with 7qts of hient olive oil and pot to talk to god our father.

well they were in a desert right .

here is a picture the actual pic its only a portion because my scanner can't take all at once

so here is the first to me this is located at the foot of that that is the father the first.

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that that is above ground like the houses on the bottum cast a shadow,

were the road is bye the lakes.

now between those houses and the round lake which i'm prety shorw is an impack site is below ground but that is of a differant shadow one that is deep.

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

i was gonna talk about the son and what he has to do with atlantis and i know you herd of the son, but he is comming soon and you can ask your self when he do's.

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Lion of Judah

Atlantians were'nt all killed in the destruction of there home most were sent to different parts of the world to spread their knowledge they were advanced humans who new alot about plants species crossbreeding and their 1st landmark was the Sphinx in egypt which must be as old as 12000years bc

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

it had the head of a lion and it stood ground to all ,the last time leo was in the sunrise was atleast 10500 bc,but once cut off from the father they too fell into a forgetful fog generation to generation were there still linked to pagan gods and goddesses today.

and don't forget the summarieans some carred the truth but basterized it ,anyone can say the father son and holy spirit.

they say knowledge is king but i think that the controle of that knowledge is king ,you can give to whome ever you want and keep it from as well.

and once that downward spirile accers its hard to come back without complet destroction like with babalon and the tower and ever other time humanity screwed up in the past ever since.

even after 40 years in a desert yeah think one would learn

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Atlantians were'nt all killed in the destruction of there home most were sent to different parts of the world to spread their knowledge they were advanced humans who new alot about plants species crossbreeding and their 1st landmark was the Sphinx in egypt which must be as old as 12000years bc

No Civilization has been found to pre-exist the Sumerian Civilization which first began to emerge roughly 5500 B.C.E.. So no civilization could have built the sphinx before that time. The sphinx was built by the Egyptians and is far from 12,000 years old. As for Atlantis, I think Plato was exaggerating about a civilization that occured just before his time period like that of the Minoans or the people on the island of Santorini.

- Bokonon

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

No Civilization has been found to pre-exist the Sumerian Civilization which first began to emerge roughly 5500 B.C.E.. So no civilization could have built the sphinx before that time. The sphinx was built by the Egyptians and is far from 12,000 years old. As for Atlantis, I think Plato was exaggerating about a civilization that occured just before his time period like that of the Minoans or the people on the island of Santorini.

- Bokonon

then explean old wiseone that it showed weather errotion by rain and we both know that happened around 10500 bc in that airea (rain).

and what about the stars which hold time better then most people today do.

i mean just wondering, you know?

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I found this website which explains a bit about the erosion and weathering of the Sphinx. While it does not discount that erosion could have happened around 7000BCE if the Sphinx was present then it also states that the erosion could have been much more recent.

Basically they can't be absolutely certain but are guided by the age of the rest of the monuments around the Sphinx.

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No Civilization has been found to pre-exist the Sumerian Civilization which first began to emerge roughly 5500 B.C.E.. So no civilization could have built the sphinx before that time. The sphinx was built by the Egyptians and is far from 12,000 years old. As for Atlantis, I think Plato was exaggerating about a civilization that occured just before his time period like that of the Minoans or the people on the island of Santorini.

- Bokonon

If they have found evidence of woven clothing that dates back 27,000 years...where does your assumption come from???/

http://www.crystalinks.com/clothingold.html

June 14, 2000 - BBC

Woven clothing was being produced on looms 27,000 years ago, far earlier than had been thought, scientists say.

It had been thought that the first farmers developed weaving 5,000 to 10,000 years ago.

But Professor Olga Soffer of the University of Illinois, is about to publish details in the journal Current Anthropology of 90 fragments of clay that have impressions from woven fibres.

Prof Soffer first revealed her findings in previous research when she said that a 25,000 year old figurine was wearing a woven hat.

If confirmed, this work will change our understanding of distant ancestors, the so-called Ice Age hunters of the Upper Palaeolithic Stone Age.

Accidental imprint

The evidence was obtained from a number of sites in the Czech Republic.

They were the sporadic homes of the Gravettian people who roamed between Southern Russia and Spain between 22,000 and 29,000 years ago scratching out a living on a semi-frozen landscape.

:tu: Her credentials.....

http://www.anthro.uiuc.edu/faculty/soffer/

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crystal sage

Europeans Descended From Hunters, Not Farmers, Study Says

By James Owen

National Geohraphic

November 10, 2005

Europeans owe their ancestry mainly to Stone Age hunters, not to later migrants who brought farming to Europe from the Middle East, a new study suggests.

Based on DNA analysis of ancient skeletons from Germany, Austria, and Hungary, the study sways the debate over the origins of modern Europeans toward hunter-gatherers who colonized Europe some 40,000 years ago.

The DNA evidence suggests immigrant farmers who arrived tens of thousands of years later contributed little to the European gene pool.

Instead they left a cultural legacy by introducing agriculture some 7,500 years ago, the researchers say.

The study's findings, published this week in the journal Science, were a surprise to the study team, according to anthropologist Joachim Burger of Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, in Mainz, Germany.

"I expected the distribution of DNA in these early farmers to be more similar to the distribution we have today in Europe," he said.

"Our paper suggests that there is a good possibility that the contribution of early farmers could be close to zero," added co-author Peter Forster, an archaeology research fellow at Cambridge University, England.

"If the ancient DNA results turn out to be valid and reproducible, [they] are very exciting indeed," commented Alex Bentley, an anthropologist at Durham University, England.

Pottery Clues

The team investigated mitochondrial DNA—a permanent genetic marker passed from mothers to their offspring—recovered from the teeth and bones of 24 skeletons from 16 central European sites.

These ancient humans all belonged to cultures that can be linked to the introduction of farming practices that began in present-day Israel, Jordan, and Syria around 12,000 years ago.

The researchers identified which cultures the subjects belonged to by the decorations found on their pottery.

A quarter of the prehistoric farmers were found to share a mitochondrial DNA signature that is now extremely rare worldwide and has left virtually no trace on living Europeans.

The apparent failure of these people to make their genetic mark stands in stark contrast to farming itself, which spread rapidly across Europe.

A possible explanation, the researchers write in their study, is "that small pioneer groups carried farming into new areas of Europe, and that once the technique had taken root, the surrounding hunter-gatherers adopted the new culture and then outnumbered the original farmers."

Cambridge's Forster added, "It's interesting that a potentially minor migration of people into central Europe had such a huge cultural impact."

Archeologist Marek Zvelebil agrees, saying the DNA findings support evidence from pottery and other artifacts from the beginning of the Late Stone Age.

"This is one of the first studies to actually examine the bones of ancient human beings who lived 7,000 to 8,000 years ago," said Zvelebil, a professor at the University of Sheffield, England.

"Archaeological evidence indicates that what we had was cultural diffusion and a mixture of perhaps some immigration and local adoption of farming culture," he added. "There's been 30 years of debate about this point—how the farming way of life reached Europe and spread.

"Small groups of people migrated from the Near East into parts of the East Mediterranean and central Europe. But in most other parts of Europe you had local hunter-gathering people adopting farming."

Male Genes

Other researchers are less certain about this theory, saying the farmers' male genetic material—known as Y-chromosome sequences—needs to be established first.

They argue that colonizing male farmers might have taken up with indigenous European women, in which case mitochondrial DNA traces of their lineage could have been largely erased over time.

Bentley of Durham University says this theory may hold true in part.

"In many historical instances men in colonizing populations have intermarried with indigenous women," he said.

Yet evidence from elsewhere in Europe supports the idea that the introduction of farming represents a cultural rather than a genetic exchange, according to David Miles, research fellow at the Institute of Archaeology in Oxford, England, and author of the book, The Tribes of Britain.

"In northwest Europe the genetic evidence suggests [farming] came mainly as an idea and that the number of people moving was relatively small," Miles said.

Most of the farmers in Britain, for instance, would have been native descendents of the hunter-gatherers, he said.

"There's been a lot of arguing over the last ten years, but it's now more or less agreed that about 80 percent of [modern British] genes come from a very small number of hunter-gatherers who came in immediately after the Ice Age," he said.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...ge_faces_2.html

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

back to those shadows now heres the orig

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now here is after the shading of those shadows with a reainbow of color.

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have a look and see

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

in the middel of the snake in the river is one of the places i would like to dig ,

but to get the big picture the circle would extend to the bends on ether side.

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Bokonontheancient

then explean old wiseone that it showed weather errotion by rain and we both know that happened around 10500 bc in that airea (rain).

and what about the stars which hold time better then most people today do.

i mean just wondering, you know?

The neolithic revolution had not occured until 10,000 B.C.E. so a civilization could not have been fostered without the surplus of food, therefore it is impossible to have a civilization, when everyone has to obtain their own food.

- Bokonon

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If they have found evidence of woven clothing that dates back 27,000 years...where does your assumption come from???/

http://www.crystalinks.com/clothingold.html

June 14, 2000 - BBC

Woven clothing was being produced on looms 27,000 years ago, far earlier than had been thought, scientists say.

It had been thought that the first farmers developed weaving 5,000 to 10,000 years ago.

But Professor Olga Soffer of the University of Illinois, is about to publish details in the journal Current Anthropology of 90 fragments of clay that have impressions from woven fibres.

Prof Soffer first revealed her findings in previous research when she said that a 25,000 year old figurine was wearing a woven hat.

If confirmed, this work will change our understanding of distant ancestors, the so-called Ice Age hunters of the Upper Palaeolithic Stone Age.

Accidental imprint

The evidence was obtained from a number of sites in the Czech Republic.

They were the sporadic homes of the Gravettian people who roamed between Southern Russia and Spain between 22,000 and 29,000 years ago scratching out a living on a semi-frozen landscape.

:tu: Her credentials.....

http://www.anthro.uiuc.edu/faculty/soffer/

Cloth does not specifically show evidence of civilization. First off, the neolithic revolution, people had clothing, (animal furs, hides, ect..) Clothing does not show advancements in civilization, it only shows people were capable of tapestry and used sharp tools and flints, as well as small cutting blades to fashion clothing to wear, to SURVIVE. As well, many things can be misdated and the tampering of artifacts may also be key. Don't dive to conclusions before you analyze the whole situation.

Regards,

- Bokonon

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Europeans Descended From Hunters, Not Farmers, Study Says

The researchers identified which cultures the subjects belonged to by the decorations found on their pottery.

A quarter of the prehistoric farmers were found to share a mitochondrial DNA signature that is now extremely rare worldwide and has left virtually no trace on living Europeans.

The apparent failure of these people to make their genetic mark stands in stark contrast to farming itself, which spread rapidly across Europe.

A possible explanation, the researchers write in their study, is "that small pioneer groups carried farming into new areas of Europe, and that once the technique had taken root, the surrounding hunter-gatherers adopted the new culture and then outnumbered the original farmers."

Cambridge's Forster added, "It's interesting that a potentially minor migration of people into central Europe had such a huge cultural impact."

Archeologist Marek Zvelebil agrees, saying the DNA findings support evidence from pottery and other artifacts from the beginning of the Late Stone Age.

"This is one of the first studies to actually examine the bones of ancient human beings who lived 7,000 to 8,000 years ago," said Zvelebil, a professor at the University of Sheffield, England.

"Archaeological evidence indicates that what we had was cultural diffusion and a mixture of perhaps some immigration and local adoption of farming culture," he added. "There's been 30 years of debate about this point—how the farming way of life reached Europe and spread.

"Small groups of people migrated from the Near East into parts of the East Mediterranean and central Europe. But in most other parts of Europe you had local hunter-gathering people adopting farming."

Male Genes

Other researchers are less certain about this theory, saying the farmers' male genetic material—known as Y-chromosome sequences—needs to be established first.

They argue that colonizing male farmers might have taken up with indigenous European women, in which case mitochondrial DNA traces of their lineage could have been largely erased over time.

Bentley of Durham University says this theory may hold true in part.

"In many historical instances men in colonizing populations have intermarried with indigenous women," he said.

Yet evidence from elsewhere in Europe supports the idea that the introduction of farming represents a cultural rather than a genetic exchange, according to David Miles, research fellow at the Institute of Archaeology in Oxford, England, and author of the book, The Tribes of Britain.

"In northwest Europe the genetic evidence suggests [farming] came mainly as an idea and that the number of people moving was relatively small," Miles said.

Most of the farmers in Britain, for instance, would have been native descendents of the hunter-gatherers, he said.

"There's been a lot of arguing over the last ten years, but it's now more or less agreed that about 80 percent of [modern British] genes come from a very small number of hunter-gatherers who came in immediately after the Ice Age," he said.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...ge_faces_2.html

How does this have to do with civilizations occuring before 10,000 B.C.E.? The article states the argiculture was developed around 12,000 years ago, putting the date at 10,000 B.C.E.. So this supports my claim.

- Bokonon

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Bosanchero

The AGE of sphinx theory only came to be after the world known geologist mr.Schoch decided to say it is so hehehe so since mad requested from us an explenation here you go,

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Schoch saw two distinct weathering processes at the Sphinx enclosure: wind and rain erosion. He wrote:

The Sphinx showed some wind erosion, particularly on the head and upper back, which sit above the ground level of the plateau. However, the Sphinx also displayed obvious and extensive wear from precipitation. Rock worn away by rain has an undulating surface, often displaying distinct vertical crevices. This kind of erosion is well developed and prominent on the body of the Sphinx and within the Sphinx enclosure, where the weathering reaches from over three feet to more than six feet deep below the surface. Even though certain of the Giza structures are built from the same kind of limestone as the Sphinx, none of them show the same degree of precipitation-induced weathering. [p. 39]

What Schoch fails to mention is that the quality of the limestone in the area of the Sphinx varies. The Sphinx is carved out of limestone bedrock containing three strata: Members I, II, and III. Member I is very hard and comprises the lower portion of the Sphinx. The head of the Sphinx is carved from Member III which is also hard (it was quarried for the core blocks of the Giza pyramids). The middle stratum, Member II, is made up of poorly consolidated limestone that is easily erodable. The quality of the limestone is so poor that the body of the Sphinx had eroded significantly by the time of the New Kingdom, and has continued to erode since. Schoch is vague about the certain "Giza structures" cited above, but elsewhere he has mentioned that the Tomb of Debehen shows no such erosion though it was supposedly contemporary to the Sphinx. Unfortunately, Schoch ignores the fact that the tomb lies some 75-141 feet higher on the Giza Plateau and is carved from the more durable Member III limestone. More recently (in KMT 5:2, 6), Schoch uses the rock-cut tombs of the eastern escarpment as a similar example. Again, though the tombs may be at a like elevation, they are cut from a different layer of limestone and thus bear no valid comparison with the limestone of the Sphinx enclosure.

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

but still it don't prove right from wrong,this is what i think when looking at the sphinx like this , is like beetting a dead horse that been dead a long time and it die'd when they took the head that was of a lion .

and replaced it with that of a man.

which only proves to me how they lay clam to the truth as their own and not of the father.

remember moses had to take them out of eygpt for there pagan ways.

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

Cloth does not specifically show evidence of civilization. First off, the neolithic revolution, people had clothing, (animal furs, hides, ect..) Clothing does not show advancements in civilization, it only shows people were capable of tapestry and used sharp tools and flints, as well as small cutting blades to fashion clothing to wear, to SURVIVE. As well, many things can be misdated and the tampering of artifacts may also be key. Don't dive to conclusions before you analyze the whole situation.

Regards,

- Bokonon

but if one is getting their cloths from hemp that is grown along with the other side of that plant that which would be grown for spiritual matters and if you know how to grow pot you can grow any vegtable,

and not just cloths come from it but a whole lot more which i won't get into here ,but it does explain that if a people come a shore with the seed and knowledge of growing the seed, civil can spring forth quit quickly,quinda like it did.

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

back to this side of the atlantic for a bit,and what i'm trying to explaine.

how come the bedrock of the cape breton highlands are carved by hand.

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The neolithic revolution had not occured until 10,000 B.C.E. so a civilization could not have been fostered without the surplus of food, therefore it is impossible to have a civilization, when everyone has to obtain their own food.

- Bokonon

"Atlantis

The center of ancient trade routes.

Atlantis, the middle of an ancient trade route? Ancient Egypt's link to the Americas long before Columbus?

I have quietly proposed before that the Atlanteans knew of, traded with and influenced many ancient civilizations. Having maintained these ancient trade routes for hundreds of years, it is most likely that survivors of Atlantis migrated to these civilizations after their continent was destroyed. These immigrants then aided their hosting countries with various knowledge and technology. It is also in 3 of these ancient civilizations that the records will be found.

Ancient Egyptian mummies hold one of the best clues. It has been established that the Egyptian mummy Hanet Taui of 3000 B.C. consumed large amounts of cocaine and nicotine darning her life. Known as one of the Manchester mummies, strands of her hair tested positive for tobacco and cocaine use. Mummies from ancient China, Austria, Sudan and Germany (3700 B.C. - 1100 AD) have also tested positive for cocaine and nicotine.

How does this relate to Atlantis or ancient trade routes? Tobacco is native to the Americas and coco, Andes. It is firmly believed by scientists that tobacco arrived in the old world after Columbus and cocaine, the Victorian Era. So how was it consumed in the ancient civilizations 4000-5000 years before that time? By ancient trans-Atlantic trade routes, centralized around 1 large continent in the middle of the Atlantic - Atlantis.

Need more? Analyze these facts:

Egyptian mummies have also been found with silk in their wraps. Silk is native to China.

Jars from ancient Rome continue to wash up in the 'Bay of Jars' in Brazil. Stories of the jars washing up with the tide have been around since 100 B.C.

Also in Brazil, an ancient inscription set in stone. The mystery? The language is ancient Mediterranean.

In Mexico, 3000 year old stone figurines have been found. The figurines are carved with beards and appear African.

A ancient picture of a pineapple was found in Pompeii. The pineapple is native to the Americas.

Ancient China was fond of peanuts from the Americas. 2000 -3000 year old peanuts were discovered in a tomb in western China.

Mummies discovered in China hold another clue. The Cherchen Mummies of 2000 B.C. were European. With their narrow face, long nose, imposing height, fair skin and hair these families were not native to ancient China. Their clothes were of wool not silk. Sheep are not native to China. They were apparently traders traveling the 'Silk Road' trade route over 2000 years before current thinking allows.

The Ice Man Mummy found in the Ozatal Alps brings up another point. The Ice Man Mummy lived over 5000 years ago, yet he had with him a cast copper axe. Evidence obtained through hair samples indicates that he made the axe and other copper items. According to the scientific community, the Copper Age did not begin until 2000 B.C. Ice Man Mummy was using temperatures of over 1,100 degrees Celsius to melt the copper for casting more than 1000 years before that time.

http://seapyramid.org/rss/modules/zmagazin...hp?articleid=28 "

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crystal sage

:yes:B):tu: If you look at the evidence of ancient trade links...and the sea faring technology...(Humans reached New Guinea and Australia over 40,000 years ago. )

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/hum...rlysettlers.asp

They would have imported...exported plants for medicine... for trade etc..... ergo would have had to have farming skills...

http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=jbms&id=356

In addition to the organisms for which we have decisive proof of transoceanic distribution, for another 80 species of flora and fauna there is some evidence that they too may have crossed the oceans with boat travelers. More research is needed to determine which of those, if any, to add to our "decisive evidence" list. (For tables listing the additional candidate fauna and flora, along with full documentation and data supporting the historicity of these movements across the oceans, see the publications cited in notes 12 and 13.)

Ancient Seafaring Technology

A question naturally arises as to whether vessels and nautical skills were available to account for the early voyages. Contrary to the picture we were once taught about "primitive" sailors timidly avoiding the open sea until an intrepid Columbus made a breakthrough, evidence now clearly establishes that sailors long ago ventured widely. As long ago as 50,000 bp (before the present), Australia's first settlers reached that continent across as much as 95 miles (150 km) of open sea, and the Solomon Islands were populated from 105 miles (170 km) away by 29,000 years ago.62 Balsa-log rafts (functionally they were steerable "ships," not what we think of under the term rafts) like the Kon Tiki vessel of Thor Heyerdahl were preceded by early Ecuadoran craft that sailed up and down the Pacific coast of South and Middle America apparently from 2000 BC on.63 However, they, in turn, were modeled on rafts of unknown age from China and Southeast Asia.64 Three modern replicas of pre-Columbian rafts constructed in Ecuador in the traditional form were sailed in 1974 as a fleet over 9,000 miles to Australia.65 Many other craft, some of them remarkably small and "primitive,"66 have been sailed in modern times across various ocean routes; one veteran small-craft sailor reports that "it takes a damned fool to sink a boat on the high seas."67

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http://www.orkneydigs.org.uk/dhl/papers/cwj/index.html

One of the main limiting factors for settlement in Orkney is obviously the environment. When exactly did conditions after the last glaciation improve, and what was the climate like? When was the environment settled enough to support human settlement?

One of the main limiting factors for settlement in Orkney is obviously the environment. When exactly did conditions after the last glaciation improve, and what was the climate like? When was the environment settled enough to support human settlement?

Orkney offered a unique combination of instability within a rich environment which would act to catalyse the development of society. There are clear signs however that aspects of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle did not all disappear with the coming of the Neolithic. Indeed, some Mesolithic features acquired increased significance as the focus of everyday life shifted to a reliance on farming and domestication. So, for example, red deer came to be regarded as of such importance that whole animals were buried in multiple deposits at the Neolithic settlement site of Links of Noltland (Sharples 2000).

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M.A.D CapeBretoner

as any one can see there is alot of unanswerd questions out there that lead one to atlantis,

but i hope by providing a hiking trail among a beiatiful veiw of the cabot trail and with a look into the past like nothing else,past all the lies to the whole of the truth.

and this trail would be free to whom ever would want to walk and see for your self.

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