Illuminati, Freemasons, Skull and Bones, etc

[Raphiem]

I do not wish to spread disinformation, so a lot of my thoughts and research on topics I keep to myself, until I feel comfortable enough for others to read them. I think it is careless and unwise to post what ever one finds before they have a firm belief in it themselves that the information is true.

A quote by myself that I strongly believe and stand by.

With that said, I know this is going to be a topic that has harsh realities if accepted by those who choose to listen. It will also be a topic of harsh sentiment by those who choose not to research it for themselves or simply don’t think there is any substance. This is however a topic above all topics which needs to be brought out into the open. At the very least, I hope it will cause an interest in further research to find answers for oneself. What I have found on the many secret societies, is that they are all in relation. I can put on a mask and look and act different, but the person behind the mask is still me. The same holds true for the secret orders to which we are all impacted by. The societies themselves different, but the overall goal the same. All of them answering to the very same “beast” behind the mask.

Before I go on, let me first quote influential men of Americas past. America after all, was viewed by the early masonic order, as the New Atlantis (Francis Bacon) or the new Jerusalem to which they would be able to set up “The New World Oder” aka “One world Order”.

“You are a Den of vipers I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning” ~President Andrew Jackson

“I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working form within.”~ General Douglas MacArthur

“The Order’s working and involvement in America is immense. The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” ~Felix Frankfurter us supreme court

“I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington, they would not wait for an election.... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the Untied states” ~ George W. Malone, US Senator (Nevada)

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson”

“In Politics nothing happens by accident, if it happens, you can be sure we planned it that way” ~President Franklin Roosevelt

“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” ~President Woodrow Wilson

(Reflecting on the Federal Reserve Act he signs into law)

“I am a most unhappy man, I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all of our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” ~President Woodrow Wilson

“It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact that I am.” ~George Washington.

These are but a few quotes by the men in the know. There are many more, if you seek them out you will find them. Going back to Roosevelt’s comment, “In Politics nothing happens by accident, if it happens, you can be sure we planned it that way”. Roosevelt (a high ranking 32 degree mason) is speaking from first hand knowledge here. It is now known that he had previous knowledge of Pearl Harbor. We cracked the Japanese code, using a machine code named PURPLE which told of the event of Pearl Harbor weeks in advance. I could go in detail of past events all planed out by the order such as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, the sinking of the Titanic (which insured the events of WWI with the deaths of three of the wealthiest men alive that would try and stop it, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor), WWII, the Kennedy assassination, the war on terror and many, many more events in between. However, I will leave those events up to the reader to research, as this is already a long topic without documenting them all step by step. I say this, please research them, and try to prove them wrong. Sadly, I wasn’t able to prove them wrong, but found information to the contrary. What you’ll find in researching these events will shake you and shock you, as they also have me.

In today’s Governmental structure, you’ll find the same positions of power with ties to secret orders that they have sworn an oath to. Tony Blair a Bilderberger, former president Bill Clinton bilderberger, former prime minister Margaret Thatcher Bilderberger, leader of the UK conservative party David Cameron Bilderberger, President George W Bush Skull and Bones, presidential candidate John Kerry Skull and Bones. The list goes on and on. Again, research persons of political and economical power across the world and you will find them. Also while your at it, research the dollar bill. It is littered with masonic symbolism. You might be surprised to find that the phrase at the bottom of the pyramid that reads “NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM” actually means “New Order of the Ages”. Washington DC is also filled with these symbols, including a statue of George Washington in the same pose as Baphomet and even lady liberty herself is the Goddess Isis holding the Torch of Enlightenment.

Lets look at American presidents and see if any of them had ties to secret societies.

1.George Washington, Confirmed Mason.

2. John Adams Unknown Mason Status

3.Thomas Jefferson, Confirmed Illuminati & Mason.

4.James Madison, Confirmed Mason

5.James Monroe, Confirmed Mason.

6.John Quincy Adams, Unknown Mason status.

7.Andrew Jackson, Confirmed Mason.

8.Martin Van Buren, Confirmed Mason.

9.William Henry Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

10.John Tyler, Confirmed Mason.

11.James K. Polk, Confirmed Mason.

12.Zachary Taylor, Confirmed Mason.

13.Millard Fillmore, Unknown Mason status.

14.Franklin Pierce, Confirmed Mason.

15.James Buchanan, Confirmed Mason.

16.Abraham Lincoln, Unknown Mason status .

17.Andrew Johnson, Confirmed Mason.

18.Ulysses S. Grant, Unknown Mason status .

19.Rutherford B. Hayes, Unknown Mason status .

20.James A. Garfield, Confirmed Mason.

21.Chester A. Arthur, Unknown Mason status.

22.Grover Cleveland, Confirmed Mason.

23.Benjamin Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

24.Grover Cleveland, Confirmed Mason.

25.William McKinley, Confirmed Mason.

26.Theodore Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason.

27.William Howard Taft, Confirmed Mason.

28.Woodrow Wilson, Unknown Mason status.

29.Warren G. Harding, Confirmed Mason.

30. Calvin Coolidge, Unknown Mason Status

31.Herbert Hoover, Unknown Mason status.

32.Franklin D. Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason

33.Harry S. Truman, Confirmed Mason.

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Unknown Mason Status.

35.John F. Kennedy, Unknown Mason status.

36. Lyndon B. Johnson, Confirmed Mason.

37.Richard M. Nixon, Unknown Mason status.

38.Leslie Lynch King, Jr. aka. Gerald R. Ford. Confirmed Mason.

39.James E. Carter, Unknown Mason status.

40.Ronald Reagan, Confirmed Mason.

41.George H. W. Bush, Confirmed Mason

42.William J. Clinton, Confirmed Mason.

43. George Bush Jr. Confirmed member Skull and Bones, member of the Council On Foreign Relations. Confirmed Mason.

The title “The many masks of a single beast.” is more than just a catchy phrase I came up with. The tie that bonds all these groups together is what is known as “the black nobility” and their relationship with the Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuits. One such example of the Roman Catholic Jesuits with blood on their hands is a quote from Abraham Lincoln himself, “So many plots have already been made against my life, that it is a real miracle that they have all failed, when we consider that the great majority of them were in the hands of the skillful Roman Catholic murderers, evidently trained by Jesuits. But can we expect that God will make a perpetual miracle to save my life? I believe not. The Jesuits are so expert in those deeds of blood that Henry IV said it was impossible to escape them, and he became their victim, though he did all that could be done to protect himself. My escape from their hands, since the letter of the Pope to Jeff Davis has sharpened the million of daggers to pierce my breast, would be more than a miracle.” Researching the Jesuits and the Vatican assassins will bring up much of history that is surprisingly not lost. The one world order it seems, is setting up for power not to unify under God, but to unify under the Papacy just as things once were in the dark ages.

Due to recent events, our constitution is being chipped away at. Because of these horrific events, we willingly sacrifice freedoms we have in order to assure peace. This isn’t assuring peace as much as it is insuring the coming of the “New world Order” and the anti Christ from Rome. Instead of continuing on, I will conclude with various videos I found interesting while researching the topic. There is more to this topic than I can possibly post, so I ask that you research this and find out the truth.

The illuminati 1/4

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...mp;q=illuminati

The illuminat 3/4

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...mp;q=illuminati

The lightbringers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=12...mp;q=illuminati

History of freemasonry

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...mp;q=illuminati

Who infiltrated America?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...mp;q=illuminati

The Onslaught 1, In depth look into the books of Daniel and Revelations, and the legacy of Rome

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...total+onslaught

The Total Onslaught series

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=total+onslaught

[scoobysnack]

Nice post.

I would agree were fu*ked.

Those who refuse to evolve, will be destroyed in the birth pains.

[kaknelson]

Brilliant. Your title says it all.

I would call these wickedmen and evilness: Babylon.

[Travelling Man]

The list you have of Presidential Freemasons is only a little off... like by almost 100%. There are 15 Freemasons that have been elected President, and one of those doesn't truly count, as Lyndon Johnson didn't complete the three degrees.

Try this list: http://www.calodges.org/no406/FAMASONS.HTM

Word of warning... horrible MIDI file embedded - so turn your speakers down.

And one question... why would General MacArthur say what you quoted - when he was a Freemason?? Oh, yeah, now I remember! He is being quoted OUT OF CONTEXT!!

[Raphiem]

I’m glade to see that someone is attempting to research this information. First let me say, I have no agenda and am only in search of the truth of these societies and how they impact us. If you have information that proves what I found to be false, please by all means post it. Or if anyone has information to further the research of these societies, let them be heard. This topic needs to be brought out into the open and discussed.

With that being said, I’m not sure how you can so easily say its 100% wrong when there is much history about these individuals that states other wise. I’ll agree that pinning the earlier presidential masonic connections are more difficult to find, do to fires reportedly destroying many of the documents. We do still however, have much of their writings in agreement or sympathizing with the teachings of the illuminati or masonic doctrine. Their agreements alone with the doctrine can’t prove that they were members, but it does prove they had a knowledge and understanding on something that was and still is very secretive.

Here is the link were I found the information on the presidents. Again, if this information can be proven wrong, please post any information. This is not a post meant to place an already shrouded topic in more darkness, but to expose it to light so that truth may be known.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...entasmasons.htm

As far as the quote goes on General MacArthur, can you elaborate on how he is being quoted out of context? I posted his comment because it seems to me he very much meant that comment as what it says. I tried looking up how it was taking out of context but haven’t had any luck. Could you please post a link to this?

[Travelling Man]

Okay, I misstated the percentage... the count of presidential Freemasons above is at 28. However, there were only 15 Freemasons in the Whitehouse... the number is almost 100% over the accurate total.

Just because I point at you and say you are a member of the Fluffy-Bunny Club doesn't mean that you are... especially when the Fluffy-Bunnies say there's no record of your membership. Same goes for almost half of the names on your list.

“I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working form within.”~ General Douglas MacArthur

This comes from his autobiography, and he is addressing the political powers that forced him to retire and not continue in his plan of world domination. He saw more enemies than Bush does... Also, being a Freemason, he always saw the organization as a wonderful thing, and is never credited as talking bad about it - except for your out of context quote...

The Forbiddenknowledge site is rife with misspellings, and the outside links are so damaged that most of the "references" are gone... which leads me to believe that they are wrong. Sorry.

[Raphiem]

Looks like that link has been moved since I bookmarked it and posted it. Here it is again in not so broken form http://www.heart7.net/uspresidentasmasons.htm

For the moment, lets assume that the link I originally posted is being too loose with whom they connect with secret societies and orders. The site you posted as the correct source however, is being way to generous in who they point out as having connections to secret societies. The list is missing presidents with well known and easily recognized ties to secret societies. I’ll make a new list with information that can be easily proven as FACT and rule out any that don’t have DIRECT ties to secret sociteits. I will post the link to the source beneath every president that I was able to prove with factual documentation.

1.George Washington, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/washington.html

2. John Adams Unknown Mason Status

3.Thomas Jefferson, Confirmed member of the Lodge of the Nine Muses in Paris and the Beenan Order (Order of the Bees) known outside Bavaria as the Illuminati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Med...rson_a_Mason%3F

4.James Madison, Mason? I found a lot of information that says “some evidence showing that he’s a mason”, it can’t be totally proven so I’ll rule him out http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/mashist.htm

5.James Monroe, Confirmed Mason and Original Member of The Order Of The Garter

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/monroe.html

6.John Quincy Adams, Unknown Mason status.

7.Andrew Jackson, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/jackson.html

8.Martin Van Buren, Mason? I didn’t find where he was a mason but I did find that he was hand picked to be the next president http://ce.missouristate.edu/tcsupport/HST1...s/HST121L23.pdf

9.William Henry Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

10.John Tyler, Mason? I couldn’t find much on him other than him knowing masons and illuminatists

11.James K. Polk, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/polk.html

12.Zachary Taylor, Confirmed hereditary member of The Order Of The Garter & The Society Of The Cincinnati

http://redpill.cocoalounge.org/2006/02/05/...-the-cincinnati

13.Millard Fillmore, Unknown Mason status.

14.Franklin Pierce, Confirmed hereditary member of The Order Of The Garter & The Society Of The Cincinnati http://redpill.cocoalounge.org/2006/02/05/...the-cincinnati/

15.James Buchanan, Confirmed Mason. (master of a Masonic Lodge in Lancaster and a District)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania. http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/buchanan.html

16.Abraham Lincoln, Unknown Mason status .

17.Andrew Johnson, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/johnson.html

18.Ulysses S. Grant, Unknown Mason status .

19.Rutherford B. Hayes, Unknown Mason status .

20.James A. Garfield, Confirmed Mason. http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/garfield.html

21.Chester A. Arthur, Unknown Mason status.

22.Grover Cleveland, Mason? Related to President Franklin Pierce and President James Garfield both of whom are masons but i didn't find his direct ties so hes ruled out

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/.../masonpres.html

23.Benjamin Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

24.Grover Cleveland, Mason?

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/.../masonpres.html

25.William McKinley, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/mckinley.html

26.Theodore Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/troosevelt.html

27.William Howard Taft, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/taft.html

28.Woodrow Wilson, Unknown Mason status.

29.Warren G. Harding, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/harding.html

30. Calvin Coolidge, Unknown Mason Status

31.Herbert Hoover, Unknown Mason status.

32.Franklin D. Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/froosevelt.html

33.Harry S. Truman, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/truman.html

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Unknown Mason Status.

35.John F. Kennedy, Unknown Mason status.

36. Lyndon B. Johnson, Confirmed apprentice Mason. As pointed out earlier, he was only entry level so I'll rule him out

http://www.mastermason.com/willisstewart224/famous.htm

37.Richard M. Nixon, Unknown Mason status.

38.Leslie Lynch King, Jr. aka. Gerald R. Ford. Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/ford.html

39.James E. Carter, Unknown Mason status.

40.Ronald Reagan, Confirmed Honorary Scottish Rite Mason.

http://www.bessel.org/reagan.htm

41.George H. W. Bush Confirmed member Skull and Bones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

42.William J. Clinton, Confirmed Bilderberg group member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

43. George Bush Jr. Confirmed member Skull and Bones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

"My senior year, I joined Skull & Bones, a secret

society, so secret, I can't say anything more."

George W. Bush, President of the United States

Ignoring what the original link stated and researching them all individually, there are clearly more than 15 presidents that were involved with factual ties to secret societies. Something I found more interesting while researching this however, was that there is a shocking relationship between all of these presidential families. I’ll have to research these bloodlines further before I make concrete conclusions, but it seems that nearly all of the presidents come from only a FEW bloodlines.

[Hermetic Hermit]

“You are a Den of vipers I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning” ~President Andrew Jackson

“I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working form within.”~ General Douglas MacArthur

“The Order’s working and involvement in America is immense. The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” ~Felix Frankfurter us supreme court

“I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington, they would not wait for an election.... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the Untied states” ~ George W. Malone, US Senator (Nevada)

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson”

“In Politics nothing happens by accident, if it happens, you can be sure we planned it that way” ~President Franklin Roosevelt

“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” ~President Woodrow Wilson

(Reflecting on the Federal Reserve Act he signs into law)

“I am a most unhappy man, I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all of our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” ~President Woodrow Wilson

Hello Raphiem, the quotes are very interesting. However it sounds more to me that these individuals, whether Freemasons etc. or not, are trying to warn people.

If so and these individuals are indeed Freemasons or members of another Secret Society, wouldn't they be warning the people of a different group?

[Travelling Man]

Raphiem, the linky for the Pennsylvania Grand Lodge (pagrandlodge.org) is broken... and you'd better check your wiki link on Thomas Jefferson... it clearly says that he WASN'T a Freemason or anything else. A Deist, perhaps, but not a Freemason.

I was running under the opinion that you were linking all those presidents as being Freemasons - BECAUSE YOU POSTED IT IN YOUR FIRST POST! When you say the Bushes were Freemasons when they weren't, then your point gets cloudy.

[Raphiem]

O.o I’m not sure what’s up with these links. They work fine when I post them ><;; I am well aware of what the wiki link on Jefferson said about his mason status. What I was actually referring to was were it brought up his other ties.

“Following is what I would like to have listed for Thomas Jefferson on the list of freemasons page

* Thomas Jefferson, 2nd U.S. Vice President, Served under Adams, Charlottesville Lodge No. 90, Charlottesville, VA : Jefferson was also a member of the Lodge of the Nine Muses in Paris and the Beenan Order (Order of the Bees) known outside Bavaria as the Illuminati.”

I found this information brought up on him many times. But this was one of the more reputable sites that brought these points up so I posted it instead.

The list of presidents associated with masonry wasn’t meant to be a main focus of this topic. I thought it would be interesting to see how many were involved in secret societies. I was never concerned with obtaining a large amount of presidents with ties to societies. But since it was pointed out that the list I found might be wrong, I wanted to make sure to get this information correct. When I began researching them all on what sources I could find, it did seem that the initial list may be too lenient, but the others were too loose. That is why I re-posted the list with what I could verify and what orders I could find them being related to. I appreciate your help in pointing out what very well could be errors in that initial list so that it would be researched further.

The main point I wanted to get across with this topic, was that there are many seemingly different societies working towards a similar goal, and answering to the same power.

[Raphiem]

Hello Raphiem, the quotes are very interesting. However it sounds more to me that these individuals, whether Freemasons etc. or not, are trying to warn people.

If so and these individuals are indeed Freemasons or members of another Secret Society, wouldn't they be warning the people of a different group?

In all honesty hermet, I don’t know the answer to that question. It could be very possible. It is also very possible that they are trying to keep us guessing at their intentions. I’m positive they have covered there trails well. I know when I think I’m on to something, a curve ball is thrown at me and I have to start researching again from another angle. One thing I am for certain though, is these societies are intricately woven into the very foundation of America, and much of, if not the whole world is impacted by it.

I'm glade you saw this topic. If you have anything to add, or can answer the question you posed to me, i'd love to hear it. Judging by some of your posts you seem to have a bit more insight on these topics than most.

[Hermetic Hermit]

In all honesty hermet, I don’t know the answer to that question. It could be very possible. It is also very possible that they are trying to keep us guessing at their intentions. I’m positive they have covered there trails well. I know when I think I’m on to something, a curve ball is thrown at me and I have to start researching again from another angle. One thing I am for certain though, is these societies are intricately woven into the very foundation of America, and much of, if not the whole world is impacted by it.

I'm glade you saw this topic. If you have anything to add, or can answer the question you posed to me, i'd love to hear it. Judging by some of your posts you seem to have a bit more insight on these topics than most.

Take this quote from a Freemason....

"You are a Den of vipers I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning" -President Andrew Jackson

Den of vipers, eternal god, the injustice. Sounds like a believer in God trying warn people of the money and banking system.

If you go to war with a country bomb their infrastructure, after give them loans to rebuild, force them to privatize their assets for pennies as a stipulation for the loans and bam you own them. They will be stuck paying the loans plus interest and have no government owned assets to generate money to pay off these loans with. Then give them more loans to pay for state services which have no funding because of the loans they are trying to pay off, more debt piles upon more debt. If you own a country economically there is no need to own their government.

Do as much research as you can on the World Bank, IMF, WTO, "Free" Trade. Take individual cases of countries and see how they are doing after the IMF comes in to "help" them. There are some very telling cases out there such as Argentina - Link - Link.

Look at the World Bank and who the current president is - Link. A man with little or no banking, economic development experience only war planning and he was instrumental in the current war in Iraq. They go hand in hand.

Here is a good article, long but informative about the Iraq privatizations - Link - and the effect this had on the resistance to the occupation.

Here is a link to a good documentary on the IMF and Jamaica - Link. I love Jamaica, beautiful country.

A link on the Zapatistas of Mexico who rose up to fight NAFTA - Link

When is the last time images like this have been seen from protests against secret societies? - Link - Link

Whether the heads of the world's financial institutions are Christians, Jews, Atheists or Occultists is of little importance, money comes first in their minds. Sure some of these people get invloved with "occult" groups, that's because people with power want a belief that reflects that power not some "average joe's" religion. Their beliefs come second to money, their groups don't reflect on all groups and never have I seen any sign of Illumination from any of them except in their insight into making more money, which isn't a sign of knowledge or hidden knowledge for that matter.

Raphiem I hope this is some helpful information to you. Ask, discuss, argue any point you have I won't lash out only try and clarify, explain better. Perhaps I will further explain the relatonship between these groups they belong to and the amateurish, frat-party, rich boy clubs they are in comparison to other groups. As I have said before it is very easy to copy or borrow from one group but to truly know whta it all means is a much different story.

[Travelling Man]

Andrew Jackson said that in 1836... and when you look at the entirety of the speech, was very clearly talking about the horridly inequitable banking system in place at the time... a single, privately owned, central bank which was owned by 80% private investors and 20% by the US Government. He was speaking about the HUGE amount of foreign investment in the US, and wanted it stopped immediately. Also, this bank (privately owned!!) made its own money...

One site I found discusses it thusly:

In 1811-Hamilton's bank charter expired and the international bankers precipitated the war of 1812. By 1816 another privately-owned U.S. bank was started up...When the 1816 charter expired in 1836 - President Andrew Jackson VETOED IT! It was at this time that Jackson made this speech:

"If Congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations….The bold efforts that the present bank has made to control the government and the distress it has wantonly caused, are but premonitions of the fate which awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it...If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system there would be a revolution before morning." "It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government. More than eight millions of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners... is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country?... Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence... would be more formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy. If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favour alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the act before me there seems to be a wide and unnecessary departure from these just principles."

Taken out of context again...

Edited July 20, 2006 by Malruhn

[Hermetic Hermit]

Andrew Jackson said that in 1836... and when you look at the entirety of the speech, was very clearly talking about the horridly inequitable banking system in place at the time... a single, privately owned, central bank which was owned by 80% private investors and 20% by the US Government. He was speaking about the HUGE amount of foreign investment in the US, and wanted it stopped immediately. Also, this bank (privately owned!!) made its own money...

One site I found discusses it thusly:

Taken out of context again...

Hello Malruhn, taken out of context to what exactly?

If your post was related to my position, I don't see how a President's harsh words of warning to a corrupt bank is out of context with the current state of the global banking. Both steal a country's sovereignty.

the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that the "the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA [Federal Tort Claims Act], but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."

Link

[Raphiem]

Thanks for the informative links Hermit. They went hand in hand with much of the information I have also found on these topics. Nothing there that i can say i disagree with. Much of the information I’ve read seems to indicate that our money system heavily revolves around debt. Debt = dependency, dependency = control.

With researching the World Bank further ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank ), I found another interesting fact. The head of the World Bank, Paul Wolfowitz is also a member of the Bilderberg Group

( http://www.crystalinks.com/bilderberg.html ). Again we have another important position of power, held by a member of a highly secretive group. There are no coincidences at this level of power. These individuals are hand picked just as Paul Wolfowitz was by President Bush (a member of skull and bones).

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the bank and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered” ~Thomas Jefferson

[Raphiem]

In my original post I said I wouldn’t go into detail on certain events. To shed some light on just how corrupt our banking system is and how much blood has been spilt to insure it’s existence, an understanding of these histories are on a NEED TO KNOW basis. The federal Reserve is the tainted black heart that feeds the veins of The Beast that seeks to prey on us all.

First, let me start by reiterating part of Thomas Jefferson’s quote in my above post and then further tie them in with other related quotes.

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency...”

“I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies" ~Thomas Jefferson

A Privately Owned bank is exactly what the Federal Reserve is. The privately owned Federal Reserve is the bank that creates and issues our money. There is NO GOLD or SILVER to back it up! The U.S Government receives this currency from the fed with an interest rate so high, National Debt is assured. (Debt = dependancy, dependancy = control)

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning". ~Henry Ford

Our currency creation should be in the hands of the U.S Treasury and NOT a privately owned for- profit institution. If this were the case, we would be debt free. This fact is no secret and the very reason why Woodrow Wilson stated the quote I posted earlier. “I am a most unhappy man, I have unwittingly ruined my country.” Acknowledging the guilt he bore for signing the federal reserve act into law.

There were those before Wilson and after, that sought to garnish the control the illuminati Jesuits had on our banking system. Lets start with before.

President Lincoln was a marked man by the Roman Catholic Jesuits even before he gained office. As a lawyer he defended Charles Chiniquy a Catholic priest of Kankakee, Illinois, and won. This case exposed much corruptness at the hands of the Roman Catholic church. In the conclusion of that case Lincoln said. “As long as God gives me a heart to feel, a brain to think, or a hand to execute my will, I shall devote it against that power which has attempted to use the machinery of the courts to destroy the rights and character of an American citizen.” There were several attempts at his life that he was very much aware of. This is again the reason for his quote that I posted earlier. “So many plots have already been made against my life, that it is a real miracle that they have all failed, when we consider that the great majority of them were in the hands of the skillful Roman Catholic murderers, evidently trained by Jesuits.” After obtaining Presidential office, Lincoln took on the bankers, which caused a quickened and fierce retaliation.

*“During the Civil War (from 1861-1865), President Lincoln needed money to finance the War for the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and greatly distressed, and he would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back.

So Lincoln advised Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote: "... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..."

The Treasury notes were printed with green ink on the back, so the people called them "Greenbacks". Lincoln had printed 400 million dollars worth of Greenbacks (the exact amount being $449,338,902), money that he delegated to be created, a debt-free and interest-free money to finance the War. It served as legal tender for all debts, public and private. He printed it, paid it to the soldiers, to the U.S. Civil Service empoyees, and bought supplies for the war.

Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the war and Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted, in its place, the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.”*

And after,

*“On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. President Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. In less than five months after signing that executive order President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.

The United States Notes (silver certificates) he had issued were taken out of circulation immediately. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of this nation. It is estimated that 99% of all U.S. paper currency circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.”*

In both instances where we had a president that sought to take away power from these private Jesuit controlled banks and give it where it properly belongs, they are silenced. Any counter measures that successfully took place were erased, and all power given back to the bankers.

*“The Federal Reserve, United Nations, Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers and other elites of the hidden government are leading us into The New World Order and they are leading us fast.”*

"Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I care not who writes its laws" ~Mayer Amchel Rothchild (1743-1812)

“If Congress has a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”~Andrew Jackson (speaking against the renewal of Rothschilds Bank Charter)

Nathan Mayer Rothschild (an Illuminati Jesuit) replies, “Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.”

Andrew Jackson’s reply to this was the very factual in-text quote, that I stated in my original post. A quote not aged, but even more true to our current state of banking. “You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.”

"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." ~Andrew Jackson (The Federal Reserve bank is the very bank the American people were warned about.)

Rothschild’s reply to this was, “Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status.”(In 1812, Backed by Rothschild money, the British declare war on the United States. The plan was to cause the U.S to amass such a debt in fighting this war that they would have to surrender and allow the charter for the Rothschild owned Bank of the United States to be reinstated.)

President Andrew Jackson succeeds in throwing the Rothschilds central bank out of America. He admit tingly declares that he knows the assassination attempts on his life were in the hands of the Rothschilds. When Andrew Jackson dies in 1845 he leaves instructions in his will to have, “I Killed The Bank,” inscribed on his headstone, a reference to the fact he banished the Rothschilds second Central bank in the United States from the US in 1837. It would not be until 1913 that the Rothschilds would be able to set up their third central bank in America, the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is a long blood stained Act that was hundreds of years in the making.

In 1540 the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) grew within the Catholic Church. They were confessors to the ruling families of Europe (Black nobility). They defend the Pope and Catholicism around the world in nearly every country. Jesuits are dedicated to furthering the power of the Pope.

Nelson Aldrich, Frank Valderclip, Henry Davidson, Charles Norton, Benjamin Strong, and Paul Warberg met on Jekyll Island to plan the Federal Reserve Bank. These men all represented renown Illuminati bloodlines. The Rockefeller financial empire, J.P. Morgan, and the Rothschilds Banking dynasty of Europe. The Rothschilds were the banking agents for the Jesuits and hold 'the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church.' Though the Morgan’s, Rothschilds’ and the Rockefeller’s were all fierce competitors they entered joint ventures. They established the national banking cartel called the Federal Reserve System. (G. Edward Griffin in 'The Creature From Jekyll Island (American Opinion Publishing P. 209).

**“The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellers are controlled by the Jesuit Order. The most powerful of families 'do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and bring the Pope to world domination.' Construction of the Titanic began in 1909; at a shipyard in Belfast, Ireland. Belfast was Protestant and hated by the Jesuits. Morgan took control of the White Star Lines. The Jesuits ordered J.P. Morgan to build the Titanic. From the very beginning of the luxury liner, the Titanic was destined for doom.

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a F.R.S. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits' plan. 'These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace.' Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits against a Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.

This was the 'maiden' voyage of the greatest ship ever built. The 'unsinkable' campaign assured passengers of comfortable safety. Many Irish, French and Italian Catholics were on board. Protestants from Belfast were also encouraged to immigrate to the United States on the Titanic. These were 'expendable' people; for the most part. But, the real reason for the ship's destruction was a game between the super rich whereby Guggenheim-Strauss-Astor could be eliminated. 'They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect they were murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits.'

Edward Smith the Captain of the Titanic. He was a Jesuit and worked for J.P. Morgan. Anyone could be a Jesuit and their identity not be known. >From National Geographic 'The Secrets of the Titanic,' (1986):

When the ship departed southern England, on board was Francis Browne. He was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and the 'Jesuit Master of Edward Smith.' 'Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The provincial Father Francis Browne boards the Titanic, photographs the victims, most assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell...' Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins Halcon Unified Services. P. 247.

Captain Smith believed this high-ranking 'Jesuit General' was God. Browne instructed him on what to do in the North Atlantic waters. 'Edward Smith was given orders to sink the Titanic and that's exactly what he did.' According to Jesuit secret philosophy: The innocent can be massacred for the greater good; the ends justifies the means.

Captain Smith had been traveling the North Atlantic for 26 years. He was the 'world's most experienced master' in these cold waters. The Captain knew all along that his ship was built for the enemies of the Jesuits. Its purpose was always to be a 'deathship' and sink on its first voyage. Captain Smith also knew exactly where the icebergs were. Under secret orders, he propelled the Titanic full speed at 22 knots on a moonless night and through a huge ice field 80 square miles in area! He had been 'given orders from his God in the Vatican, and nothing would turn him from his course.'

Captain Smith's actions in his last hours were not those of a strong leader. He seemed as if he was wrestling with his conscience. Should he be the brave sea captain or obey his master and sink the ship?

There were purposely not enough lifeboats. Many of the lifeboats only had a few passengers of women and children during the emergency. White distress flares were jettisoned. Passing ships thought those aboard the Titanic were having a party. The distress flares should have been red. These examples were not because of an arrogant crew who believed the Titanic was unsinkable. These shortcomings were planned.

Those richest of men, who opposed the Federal Reserve System, were killed along with the middle and lower classes. John Jacob Astor's wife was rescued. Molly Brown was also saved. The sinking of the Titanic was possibly the greatest disaster of the 20th Century outside of the World Wars. According to 'The Secret Terrorists,' the cause of this tragedy was the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church.

'The unsinkable ship, the floating palace was created to be a tomb for the wealthy, who opposed the Federal Reserve System. On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated. In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve Bank to begin World War I.' Notice the F.R.S. was established soon after the disaster of the Titanic.”**

With the Federal Reserve soundly in place, the Roman Catholic Jesuit control of this nation began and has thus been so since. The Fed forced an income tax on us which there was never a need for what so ever until they took control. The income tax was only needed to pay interest to the bankers for our money that they loan to our government. The Federal Reserve creates money and then loans it to the U.S government. Our taxes pay interest on this loan that cost the FEDS nothing to create.

*“As of March 6, 2006, the national debt stands at 8.2 trillion dollars. The American taxpayers have paid the FED banking system $173,875,979,369.66 in interest on that debt in just five short months, from October, 2005, through February, 2006.”* The saddest part is how easy it would be for America to regain control and eliminate her debt. According to Congressional record the U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million. That's about half the amount of money we pay them daily.

Sadly, I fear the day we are free from the chains of deceit will never come. The true rulers too powerful, the truth too well hidden that we are on a crash course with whatever destiny these powers have in store. Soon I fear America will collapse its boarders with Mexico, Canada and swallow S. America to create a Super State (North American Union) the very makings of a One World Order. The Roman Catholic Jesuits are behind this Order of the ages. Forming many secret societies to mask themselves from being identified as the true evil. After obtaining power, they then created the Federal Reserve, the very heart that gives it life. This life takes form as a parasitic body sprawled out over this country like the tentacles of an octopus that slowly but surly causes the U.S to wither and decay.

* = information taken word for word directly from http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/FEDERALRESERVE.HTML -titled the biggest scam in history. It’s not long. I fully recommend the reading of it in it’s entirety.

** = http://www.illuminati-news.com/who-sunk-the-titanic.htm 1 of many sources on the information on the titanic and the truth behind her sinking.

after writing this I googled videos on this topic and found that there are many interesting videos that tell the history of the Federal reserves. No surprises here, most of the information i brought up in this post was present in the videos. Here is a quick link to all the videos.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=federal+reserve+

Edited July 23, 2006 by Raphiem

[Travelling Man]

Here's a website that will tell more about Chiniquy, who seems a bit twisted and I personally wouldn't trust anything he says.

Regarding the Titanic, this is exactly part of my career - and the whacked theory above is as far from any flavor of truth as physically possible without saying that space aliens came down and melted the metal to make her sink.

There was no standard for flare color in 1912. There was no full mapping of idea of where icebergs were, as the International Ice Patrol wasn't created until 1914. The Titanic travelled outside of the normal travel lanes to make better time - and this took her north of the lanes - closer to any possible bergs. There was no standard for how many lifeboats were supposed to be on a vessel - and having enough for 50% wasn't different than the average of the time. The attitude of "women and children first" explains why the lifeboats had only women and children - but the reason that many of the very few boats that were successfully lowered was attributed to a VERY junior and inexperienced crew. Sure, the Captain had a long history, but the crew didn't. Also, there was no lifeboat drill for the passengers to practice what to do - but then they weren't mandatory at the time.

There are a LOT of accusations about the Catholic church and the Jesuits, but no references to cite to provide any support for any of the accusations.

[Hermetic Hermit]

Raphiem I would seriously question any site that has information on a Jesuit conspiracy for world domination. It is so easy to come up with a story and use it to blame group X for it and play off of people's stereotypes. It is no different than saying it is a Mason conspiracy or a Jewish conspiracy.

It is a money conspiracy. People with money conspiring to make more money, with a Jewish, Masonic or Jesuit smokescreen. Is it possible that the goals and strategy aren't as fantastic as many people believe/hope it is?

I am not saying you are totally wrong and should give up looking, only to question the connection made between all of this and the Jesuits.

For example, why would the Jesuits be in league with the Illuminati? Sure Weishaupt was educated by Jesuits but he later offended them and broke with them and joined humanist/freethinker movements. His goal, like many secret societies in that time, was to reduce, eliminate the power of the Church over government and scientific advancement. Whereas the Jesuits are part of that very institution.

Same as the Masons, they were originally a cover for freethinking intellectuals to get together, the purposes varied. Advancement was always a goal and the Church at the time stood in the way.

So naturally we are going to have a record of both sides flinging sh!@ at each other. The Church by means of the Jesuits are trying to take over the world, no the freethinkers are behind it and they are called the Illuminati. Both biased, both unsubstantiated.

Personally I don't really care except when the Freemasons, being a part of a long tradition and history of humanist advancement, are pinned with the blame. Many of the Founding Fathers of the US were Masons but was the founding of America a bad thing? Or was it one of the best experiments in human history in terms of government and state even if today it doesn't resemble the intial experiment? Many sciences today, whether we know it or not, owe a lot to the "alchemists" of centuries past. These alchemists and general "occultists" poured into Masonic Lodges for the opportunity to advance intellectually and scientifically yet they get the blame for the woes of the world.

Perhaps it as easy and unfantastic to explain as those with money want to make more money and will do anything to get it. Like they say follow the money.

There is no one person or one group pulling all of the strings but money talks however. If a major media outlet decided to break with "tradition" and tell the people something contrary to what those with money want us to hear, they pull funding, pull advertisements which kills the station. No secret handshakes, no secret ritual, just cut the cash end of story.

[scoobysnack]

Here's some good stuff

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol...inati_svali.htm

Edited July 25, 2006 by scoobysnack

[War Eagle]

Looks like that link has been moved since I bookmarked it and posted it. Here it is again in not so broken form http://www.heart7.net/uspresidentasmasons.htm

For the moment, lets assume that the link I originally posted is being too loose with whom they connect with secret societies and orders. The site you posted as the correct source however, is being way to generous in who they point out as having connections to secret societies. The list is missing presidents with well known and easily recognized ties to secret societies. I’ll make a new list with information that can be easily proven as FACT and rule out any that don’t have DIRECT ties to secret sociteits. I will post the link to the source beneath every president that I was able to prove with factual documentation.

1.George Washington, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/washington.html

2. John Adams Unknown Mason Status

3.Thomas Jefferson, Confirmed member of the Lodge of the Nine Muses in Paris and the Beenan Order (Order of the Bees) known outside Bavaria as the Illuminati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Med...rson_a_Mason%3F

4.James Madison, Mason? I found a lot of information that says “some evidence showing that he’s a mason”, it can’t be totally proven so I’ll rule him out http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/mashist.htm

5.James Monroe, Confirmed Mason and Original Member of The Order Of The Garter

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/monroe.html

6.John Quincy Adams, Unknown Mason status.

7.Andrew Jackson, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/jackson.html

8.Martin Van Buren, Mason? I didn’t find where he was a mason but I did find that he was hand picked to be the next president http://ce.missouristate.edu/tcsupport/HST1...s/HST121L23.pdf

9.William Henry Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

10.John Tyler, Mason? I couldn’t find much on him other than him knowing masons and illuminatists

11.James K. Polk, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/polk.html

12.Zachary Taylor, Confirmed hereditary member of The Order Of The Garter & The Society Of The Cincinnati

http://redpill.cocoalounge.org/2006/02/05/...-the-cincinnati

13.Millard Fillmore, Unknown Mason status.

14.Franklin Pierce, Confirmed hereditary member of The Order Of The Garter & The Society Of The Cincinnati http://redpill.cocoalounge.org/2006/02/05/...the-cincinnati/

15.James Buchanan, Confirmed Mason. (master of a Masonic Lodge in Lancaster and a District)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania. http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/buchanan.html

16.Abraham Lincoln, Unknown Mason status .

17.Andrew Johnson, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/johnson.html

18.Ulysses S. Grant, Unknown Mason status .

19.Rutherford B. Hayes, Unknown Mason status .

20.James A. Garfield, Confirmed Mason. http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/garfield.html

21.Chester A. Arthur, Unknown Mason status.

22.Grover Cleveland, Mason? Related to President Franklin Pierce and President James Garfield both of whom are masons but i didn't find his direct ties so hes ruled out

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/.../masonpres.html

23.Benjamin Harrison, Unknown Mason status.

24.Grover Cleveland, Mason?

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/.../masonpres.html

25.William McKinley, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/mckinley.html

26.Theodore Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/troosevelt.html

27.William Howard Taft, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/taft.html

28.Woodrow Wilson, Unknown Mason status.

29.Warren G. Harding, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/harding.html

30. Calvin Coolidge, Unknown Mason Status

31.Herbert Hoover, Unknown Mason status.

32.Franklin D. Roosevelt, Confirmed Mason

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/froosevelt.html

33.Harry S. Truman, Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/truman.html

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Unknown Mason Status.

35.John F. Kennedy, Unknown Mason status.

36. Lyndon B. Johnson, Confirmed apprentice Mason. As pointed out earlier, he was only entry level so I'll rule him out

http://www.mastermason.com/willisstewart224/famous.htm

37.Richard M. Nixon, Unknown Mason status.

38.Leslie Lynch King, Jr. aka. Gerald R. Ford. Confirmed Mason.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/ford.html

39.James E. Carter, Unknown Mason status.

40.Ronald Reagan, Confirmed Honorary Scottish Rite Mason.

http://www.bessel.org/reagan.htm

41.George H. W. Bush Confirmed member Skull and Bones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

42.William J. Clinton, Confirmed Bilderberg group member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

43. George Bush Jr. Confirmed member Skull and Bones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

"My senior year, I joined Skull & Bones, a secret

society, so secret, I can't say anything more."

George W. Bush, President of the United States

Ignoring what the original link stated and researching them all individually, there are clearly more than 15 presidents that were involved with factual ties to secret societies. Something I found more interesting while researching this however, was that there is a shocking relationship between all of these presidential families. I’ll have to research these bloodlines further before I make concrete conclusions, but it seems that nearly all of the presidents come from only a FEW bloodlines.

And i thought the 'elite'were try'n to take over and enslave humanity,.. with G.W.B on the list, & last at that,.. there may be hope for us yet.

Kick ass post'n, keep it up.

[Raphiem]

I appreciate your responses to the post. Any information that can be shared on this topic can only lead to more insight. The link that scoobysnack posted is very interesting, thanks scoob!

The link to Chiniquy was also a good addition for further research. I make no claims to know his personal character. I do however know that it is a fact that Abe Lincoln defended him and won the case against him. He is much more qualified then you or I to relate topics and letters of conversation he had with President Lincoln.

If for some reason his reference is not enough, there are other individuals of higher significance that affiliate the assassination of Lincoln to these known illuminati bankers. One such person is Otto von Bismarck (He was the Duke of Lauenburg, Minister-President of Prussia, and also the Chancellor of the North German Confederation) He stated,

"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization."

I doubt that all of these people of historical significance stating the intent of these bankers to obtain control over America are simply coincidences. Even so, there is another source I’ll bring to attention that was originally used in Booths trial,

“McGeer had obtained evidence deleted from the public record, provided to him by Secret Service agents, from the trial of John Wilkes Booth, after Booth's death. McGeer said it showed that Booth was a mercenary working for the international bankers. According to an article in the Vancouver Sun of May 2, 1934: "Abraham Lincoln was assassinated through the machinations of a group representative of the international bankers, who feared the United States President's national credit ambitions... There was only one group in the world at that time who had any reason to desire the death of Lincoln... They were the men opposed to his national currency programme and who had fought him throughout the whole Civil War on his policy of Greenback currency."

These international bankers are the illuminati, and have important relations with the Roman Catholic Church. I recommend this information be looked up by anyone that might doubt it. I’ll point out a few topics of research that relate to the Federal Reserve Bank and the Jesuits. Research “The knights of Malta” see if there are any ties to them and the Federal Reserve. See if that order has any ties to the Jesuits and if they have a plan for the pope. See if the Federal Reserve helped fund the Thirty years war (World War I, the Global Depression, and World War II) 1914 to 1945. Check to see if anything, or rather if everything that happened in that timeframe benefited the Vatican. You can also verify that the Rothschilds saved the Vatican from bankruptcy and have been united with her for a long time.

These are not accusations, they are facts. I’m not making this stuff up to blast a certain group. If you don’t believe it, RESEARCH IT for your self and see if you can prove it wrong. I am simply posting my findings thus far. I am no where even close to being done on my search for answers and truth. The deeper I go, the more involved the Vatican seems to be involved. It’s not rare to come across statements like these while researching the Jesuits and the Vatican.

“No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role.” — Avro Manhattan

I also suggest looking up the Jesuit Oath and reading it fully so you get an understanding of it. If the oath is valid, then these aren’t your happy go lucky Sunday school teachers. These are men that claim they have no consciousness for themselves but are vessels meant to be used as the Order seems fit. It is a blood oath signed with their blood as a binding contract. Here is an excerpt,

“I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

Please don’t read into this post as being anti Catholic. I am not saying that all Catholics are bad. Just as I can’t say every Christian is close minded bigot or every Muslim a terrorist. Every religion has its bad apples and a history not everyone is proud of. It’s the heart, mind and intentions of the individual that determines their being as a good one, or a bad one. The Roman Catholic Church has been through time extremely powerful and wealthy. While empires have risen and fallen around her, she has stood tall and risen above them all. That isn’t a mere coincidence. I HIGHLY suggest looking into the symbolism of the Papacy and the Roman Catholic Church. I know there are those that have said that anyone can borrow symbolism and not know the true meaning. I personally feel that the Symbolism of this nature is used to hide the truth in plane view. This isn’t a post on religion so I won’t go into detail. If you are a person with an interest in the bible this subject is actually discussed in great lengths in Daniel 7 and Revelations. To understand what the book of Daniel was saying, you have to know the parallelism that was used and described in previous chapters. If you are interested, here is a link to a video that discusses these connections http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...total+onslaught

[Raphiem]

I can’t say I know for a fact that the titanic theory I posted is what caused her to go down. But I can say with a clear conscious that there is a very strong possibility. If the titanic theory is true, then it implies extremely harsh and relentless realities that we all must bare witness to. If true, it further shows just how far these people will go to obtain their means.

Malruhn, I know you stated that the titanic was right up your ally of profession. If you can offer some insight on the titanic that proves what is stated in the article I posted is false, please share it. Just by claiming it is a whacked theory because you say so proves nothing. If any of this can be proved as disinformation it’ll be the first time it’s been proven wrong. I have done a lot of reading and have found nothing to that effect yet. If it can be proven though, then it must be shared so the truth is known. However, if there aren’t means to prove it wrong, then why is it a whacked out theory? On the contrary, there is much more fact in that “Whacked out theory” than there is speculation. All the information I posted has sources that can be found and researched further. Here are more easily proven facts.

Facts;

*J.P. Morgan is one of the families within the top 13 bloodlines of the illuminati

*Morgan owns the Titanic

*According to the published records the crew was getting radio reports of icebergs from other ships. (You’d think with warnings you’d slow down)

*There wasn't originally enough coal on the ship for sailing at full speed and the original plan was to sail at half-speed and take it easy. (Another reason to slow down)

* The Titanic was sailing full steam through a known iceberg field at night.

*According to the published records the Titanic was built for comfort, not speed, so the crew was not trying to set a speed record or impress other sailors. (Again, the fact the Titanic was not built for speed should be emphasized)

*Had the Titanic hit the ice berg head on, many people in the front part of the ship would have been badly injured or even killed, but the ship would have survived the incident. (This could either be a purposefully chosen maneuver to sink her, or a desperate attempt to avoid any type of collision)

*John Jacob Astor, arguably the richest man alive went down with the ship. He and his close friend Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis opposed the centralized bank.

*After John Jacob Astor’s death, his son became part of the money trust and the illuminati are now in control of his fortune.

*Captain Smith was a Jesuit. (I also found stated that he was a Methodist)

*Captain Smith was very experienced and had traveled the North Atlantic for 26 years. There were very few captains like him who had the experience of traveling in cold waters. He knew exactly where the icebergs were.

*Francis Browne joined the Jesuits in 1897.

I could go on with more, but I will stop there. Again, I am not suggesting this is absolutely the reason for why the titanic went down, nor is it the main focus of the post. I do however support the very real possibility of the theory, as there are valid points that are raised.

The topic of more significance is the very easily proven Federal Reserve Bank scandal and its diabolical income tax scam of the American people. Next time you get a pay check, take a good hard look at what the Federal Tax is taking out of your hard earned money. There is no law to support them doing this. With the Vast amount of money these bankers are making off of us, they are financing their New World of the Ages, whether we believe in them or not.

A point that is worth rehashing is that we can buy back the FED at ANYTIME for $450 million. That is half of what we pay in interest per day. Even if you choose not to believe in any theory, you have to ask your self, why aren’t we doing it then?

[Travelling Man]

Just because the Captian had 26 years of experience, this does NOT indicate that he knew where specific bergs were, especially since by his own logs, he hadn't made a transatlantic voyage for a FULL YEAR! Hey, I was at K-Mart last month, so I MUST know where all the cars are parked, right??

The radio reports of bergs were for small bergs - well outside of the Titanic's plotted path. Hey, there is a car accident in Nashville, Tennessee... shouldn't you slow down driving through up state New York??

The White Star Line of luxury liners had a running competition for the fastest routes back and forth from the US. The MISINFORMATION was put out that the Titanic was going to run at half speed - to give even MORE fodder for amazement when it made the run as fast as it was going to... had it made it. As it stands, it was going to make the run in five days, which was almost 48 hours faster than the next fastest trip. This is akin to announcing that your star football player has a bum leg just prior to the big game. Ain't it amazing to see him sprinting so fast??

With Smith's long history as a Methodist, it seems funny that he suddenly "switched sides" with no verfiable evidence. Did you hear that Barney the Dinosaur is now a bright green mammal?? Nope, I don't have any proof of it, but it's TRUE!!! I realize that he's always been a big purple dinosaur, but he CHANGED!!

Then, regarding Francis Brown - is it considered strange that he might want photographic proof of an historic trip across the Atlantic - and gets a shot or two of the most powerful people on board? I bet the last time you went on vacation to somewhere interesting, you took along a camera. Using your own logic, you must be a Jesuit as well!

Regarding the angle at which the Titanic hit the berg: Well, there are two theories - but we'll pick the one that supports our conspiracy the best - even though there is scant evidence for it, and ample evidence supporting the other theory.

You amaze me.

[Raphiem]

I would suggest you re-read the article that I posted and my responses. Apparently you’re missing something. I clearly said that I can not prove the theory was the real reason, but that it did raise some interesting points. Through my researching of the limited sources that I can grab off the internet, I posted even the information that didn’t go hand in hand with the theory, such as Smiths Methodist background. Apparently you missed the source the first time that quoted him as a Jesuit; here it is again

“Edward Smith the Captain of the Titanic. He was a Jesuit and worked for J.P. Morgan. Anyone could be a Jesuit and their identity not be known. >From National Geographic 'The Secrets of the Titanic,' (1986).

I also posted the two possible reasons for the collision with the Ice berg. Can you point me to exactly where I was promoting one over the other? It looks very much to me that I was relating to them both as possibilities, hoping that you as the reader would look further into this. If I was trying to push an agenda of the theory or try and make up your mind for you I would have left that out.

I had a lot more points to relate to in that last post, but I stopped where I did because I had already been researching the information I posted for 3 days, and was getting burnt out and rushed the end of it. This titanic theory is widely known, and many people that have heard of it have questions. As I stated earlier, if it is false it needs to be shown and proven wrong, so that none are falsely accused. If it is true, then it is a sick twisted sadistic crime and the history books need re-written. You can carry on with your sarcastic tone and personal insults if you wish. You have your mind made up that the history you know of is the truth, and this is just some dumb theory that doesn’t deserve a looking into. There’s nothing wrong with that. However, if you don’t look the information up for yourself and just attack what I have posted, then your posts are of no help or significance to anyone. If you decide to look into this, then you will find many others with questions. Perhaps you can use knowledge from your career to help shed some light onto this with out demeaning those that have questions?

[Raphiem]

I found an interesting 2 hour interview with an author named Eric Jon Phelps and the host of a radio show and internet site called The Arctic Beacon, Greg Szymanski. Phelps research is worth listening to. It supports the research I have been posting on and goes even further. I haven’t researched Phelps individually yet so if there is a background on him that needs known then please feel free to post your findings on him. As his interviews stand he seems to have a deep understanding on the topics that he is talking about. My only complaint on this interview is there are way too many commercial breaks that interrupt the interview.

Hour 1

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/audio/inve...ps-jesuits1.mp3

Hour 2

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/audio/inve...ps-jesuits2.mp3

Here is a second interview with a different host of a sight called P.I.D Radio. The interview with Phelps is 60 mins long and not nearly as littered with commercials as the above one was. My complaint here is the actual interview doesn’t start until 12:15. Fast forward on the little black bar shwoing the download status to 12:15 to start the interview.

P.I.D Interview

http://pidradio.com/?p=272

And here is a 3rd interview with Phelps that is in text format conducted by a man named Rick Martin,

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/...a.htm#Interview

Edited July 30, 2006 by Raphiem