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Bella-Angelique

Try Common Sense.

Rockets are hitting your cities.

Do you aim at where the rockets are coming from or waste time and money shooting at targets where you know the rockets are not coming from?

I will answer this for you.

You target where the rockets are coming from.

Next Common Sense question.

Who choses where rockets will be fired from.

Do those who fire the rockets chose the sites or those who are getting hit by the rockets chose the sites?

I will answer this for you.

The ones who launch the rockets chose what site they will be launched from.

Anything different from this basic common sense is only Jew hating racism or gullible people lacking common sense that Hezbollah has sucked into believing what is impossible for anyone with common sense to believe.

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AROCES

Are you willingly ignorant? Israel fired on the building, they didn't have to fire when they did (they could have waited to confirm who was in there), if they're dumb enough to to be lured by Hezbollah then they deserve all the negative press they get

Me an ignorant? I'm not the who is being manipulated by the Hezbollah. :rolleyes:

What??? Wait for confirmation each time before firing at the enemies???

Why not tell the same thing to the Hezbollah , before they launch their rockets into civilian targets, confirm that they are really civilians and not military targets!

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Mekorig

i will debate your comon sense Bella. The isreali military didnt get the exact point point where the rocket launch, the find the zone, and them send artillery round to sweep an area and saturate it whit artillery fire. And sadly, this tactic have the costume to destroy buildins in the near zone of the targer (100 - 200 meters). Its like to extirpate a finger using a buchter´s knife.

I dont know you, but i actually know someone who used to be in the IDF. He left the IDF and ISrael in disgust , and came back to argentina. yes , he is jew, nd yes, he told me of how valuable is a muslim or goi life for the top guys in the IDF....zero.

Both sides have their extremist. And sadly, the ones how suffer are the civilians.

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Bella-Angelique

The isreali military didnt get the exact point point where the rocket launch, the find the zone, and them send artillery round to sweep an area and saturate it whit artillery fire.

Yes!

You do understand.

That is modern warfare. The area you are describing is called the kill box.

Unfortunately today people who fire rockets do not have the tendency to sit still in the same exact location very long after launching so a rapid response to take out everything as quickly as possible in the kill box is done to try to wipe out the launchers.

This is what all modern militaries do. Their objective is to eliminate the enemy tech that is being used to attack them as quickly as possible to save and preserve the lives of the people of their nation who are under attack.

Hezbollah knows and understands this. They are not backwards and primitive when it comes to modern warfare. They know the areas they select to launch from are made immediate targets the second they launch a rocket.

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Mekorig

and them Israel is making a very big error. If they know that the rocket launcer are very mobile, the artillery sweep is not the answer, but more exact quirurgical strikes. But soo far, Israelappear more a buchter than a surgeon when making strikes.

By the way, if the Hizbolla are sooooooo evil to chooose lauching zone filled whit civilinas....why are soo popular among the people. That kind of actions are not easly hidden.

Bella, dont misunderstand me. I know Hizbolla is wrong, they are an organization created to fight israel invasion of Lebanon, but after the retreat they have no reason to fight, soo they fall in the extremist camp.

But Israel isnot a lamb, and the whole "they are defending thenself" is bulls***. Some IDF and conservative elelments in the goverment where waiting a situation like this to make these strikes and get more land, while appearing like victims in the international comunity eyes. BUt the military action was badly staged, and the iinternational stance is now against them.

And has i said already, the only that get the worse part are the civilians in both sides.

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AROCES

The Lebanese is not without a fault here, they harbored the Hezbollah and is now paying a price for it. For them to support the Hezbollah for fighting in their land makes them part of enemies. Why they don't seem to be upset with the Hezbollah for using their land to launch their activities shows support for them. They are not that innocent then.

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Bella-Angelique

Surgical strikes for most nations can only be used on fixed targets incapable of relocation.

Hezbollah has massive support because they believe the lies of Hezbollah, that all they are doing is just to protect the people of Lebanon. Look at how many people in other nations outside of Lebanon have been sucked in and imagine how much easier it is to be taken in by them in the nation of Lebanon itself.

If Israel had wanted that land they could have stayed in it in the first place.

If Israel was land crazy at any cost then they would not have signed back over those lands to the Palestinians.

To back Hezboallah is to back the Hezbollah agenda, which is to kill every Jew in Israel and wipe out Israel as a nation, at any cost. That is what all of this about. It is not about land and it is not even really as much about religion as some people think.

It is mostly about race and wanting Jews wiped out.

The allies of the islamic fundemtalists, the Nazis of Germany and the Facists of Italy, were defeated in WW2 but their racist hate filled obsession lives on through Hezbollah.

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Moon Monkey

Either way you look at it, when Hezbollah conduct ambushes or rocket attacks we all agree that either that spot or the area near by is going to get hammered. Maybe Hezbollah should check if there are people in the buildings they are operating from or near, they are a lot closer. Or not fire rockets.

If Hezbollah dropped leaflets in Kiryat Shemonah or Nahariya saying they were about to be heavily targetted the kids and most of the women (and most of the men) would be gone in 24 hrs.

Stranded S.Lebanese civilians could have walked to Israel with their hands up under UN protection or live TV cameras, something could have been arranged in 19 days. Even if they don't have communications the Hezbollah do. A quick phone call to the Lebanese government or Sky TV saying a large group of civilians is about to come out, tell the Israelis that they are feeding it live and out they come safe and sound. We are talking very short distances from the Israeli border.

How come the Lebanese government doesn't know where these large groups of people are? Hezbollah are in the cabinet, just a phone-call thats all. There is no way Israel could hit a building they knew contained civillians ready to come out, think of the PR disaster. Look what its like when they do it without knowing they are there.

Maybe Israeli intelligence has been compromised/infiltrated and someone is feeding them dodgy targets? :(

Bella that bit about wanting to wipe out the Jews reminded me of the Mufti of Jerusalem in WW2 siding with the Nazis and helping cook up the final solution. Its nothing new its been going on forever. Lots of people would have you believe this only started in 1948 or 1917 or 1898 but a quick flik through the history books shows it to have been a permanent feature.A few nutters on one side believe all Jews should be wiped out and a few on the other believe the Arabs should be wiped out. The rest of the world can see what the final plan must look like but the fundamentalist nutters keep stopping it from happening.

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Celumnaz

there are soooo so many writings on the net similar to this, from 2004

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12436

Neo-Nazi Al Qaeda

By William Grim

TheJewishPress.com | March 4, 2004

On the surface there would seem to be little to unite the Aryan racialists of the neo-Nazi movement with the terrorists of radical Islam. To the neo-Nazis, Muslims are almost all members of "inferior" races; and to the Islamic terrorists, the neo-Nazis are almost without exception either atheists or members of fringe quasi-Christian sects.

But the reality is that there has been close cooperation between Muslim extremists and Fascists ever since the founding of the Nazi movement in the 1920`s. For all of their differences, Muslim extremists and Nazis have always been united by a common group of beliefs and goals: hatred of Judaism (and conventional Christianity), hatred of democracy, and a desire for the destruction of Israel and the United States.

A little background is in order. During World War II the rabidly anti-Semitic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, pledged his unequivocal support to Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist movement. The Grand Mufti was put on the Nazi payroll in 1937 after he met with Adolf Eichmann in Palestine. In fact, when the Grand Mufti had to flee the Middle East in 1941 after the failure of the pro-Nazi coup in Iraq, he was welcomed to Berlin by Hitler and provided with high-power transmitters in order to broadcast pro-Nazi propaganda to the Middle East.

The Grand Mufti also organized an all-Muslim unit of the SS for Hitler and was instrumental in forming the pro-Nazi Muslim Hanschar brigades in Yugoslavia. After the war and his conviction for war crimes by the Nuremberg Tribunal, the Grand Mufti fled to Egypt where, as part of the ODESSA network of former SS operatives, he maintained close ties to former high-ranking Nazis who were now engaged in gun-running operations to Arab countries fighting the fledgling State of Israel.

One such ex-Nazi gunrunner was Major General Otto Ernst Remer (1912-1997), known as the ``Godfather of the neo-Nazi movement.`` Remer had a major part in thwarting the Generals` Plot against Hitler in July 1944. Hitler rewarded Remer by putting him in charge of his protection detail. In the chaos of the immediate post-war period, Remer escaped de-Nazification and returned to Germany.

In 1949 Remer and his associates founded the Sozialistische Reichspartei in Lower Saxony, but the party was banned in 1952 as a neo-Nazi political organization. Remer then settled in Egypt where he began his close friendship with the Grand Mufti and also became security adviser to Gamal Abdel Nasser.

Remer, along with his associate Alois Bunning (who was Eichmann`s assistant in the SS), operated his gunrunning company, the Orient Trading Company, out of Damascus for many years. In the 1980`s, when the statute of limitations expired for the crimes he was alleged to have committed, Remer retired and returned to Germany where he became a close adviser to Michael Kuehnen, the most important neo-Nazi leader of the postwar period in Germany.

It should be pointed out that National Socialism had a profound impact on the political philosophies of many radical Islamic political organization, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood (founded in Egypt in 1928), Nasser`s Young Egypt movement, the Social Nationalist Party of Syria founded by Anton Sa`ada, and the Ba`ath Party of Iraq. One of the main leaders of the 1941 pro-Nazi coup in Iraq was Khairallah Tulfah, the uncle and guardian of Saddam Hussein. When Saddam failed in his attempt to assassinate the Iraqi leader Abdel Karim Qassim in 1959, he fled to Egypt where he was given protection by Grand Mufti-protégé Nasser and ODESSA-connected former Nazis. The rest, as they say, is history.

The Third Position

The rise of Al Qaeda and the explosion of neo-Nazi activity in Germany and elsewhere coincided with the breakup of the USSR in the early 1990`s and the political vacuum created by the absence of the former Soviet behemoth. Neo-Nazis in both Europe and the United States began making overtures to Islamic terrorists and even to Louis Farrakhan`s Nation of Islam movement. The resulting admixture of Nazi and Islamicist ideologies is something that is termed the ``Third Position.``

Simply put, adherents of the ``Third Position`` oppose both communism and capitalism, the latter category subsuming Israel, the United States and all other democratic countries which are believed to be under the control of ``International Jewry.`` To this end, the socialist portion of Nazi beliefs is emphasized (as opposed to Hitler`s reliance on corporatism), but the core belief in anti-Semitism is left unaltered. Like the original Nazis, the Third Positioners are eager to form alliances with Muslim (and black) extremists who share their anti-Semitic beliefs.

In Germany, the neo-Nazi leader Gottfried Kuessel has maintained close ties to Farrakhan`s Black Muslims, and Karl-Heinz Hoffmann, thought to have been involved in the murder of Jewish publisher Shlomo Levin as well as the Oktoberfest bombing of September 26, 1980, in which 13 persons were killed and over 200 injured, has long maintained ties with Arafat`s PLO and even moved his paramilitary training camp to Lebanon in 1980 with PLO assistance.

In France, the neo-Nazi leader Robert Faurisson maintains close ties with Ahmed Rami, the former broadcaster of the now-defunct Radio Islam, a viciously anti-Semitic station that operated out of Stockholm for a number of years. And for some time, Sweden`s neo-Nazis have provided skinheads for use as Rami`s bodyguards.

Much of the coordination of neo-Nazi/Muslim terrorist activities is done in the United States. Since overt Nazi activity is outlawed in Germany and many other European countries, neo-Nazis and Islamic extremists have taken advantage of America`s First Amendment protection of almost all political activity. In fact, the headquarters today of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterrpartei is in Lincoln, Nebraska. The Internet and electronic banking make communication and the transfer of funds instantaneous. Even when the transfer of funds needs to be done in person, American law permits every individual to enter or leave the country with $10,000 in cash or negotiable securities without reporting it.

The First Gulf War in 1991 was a catalyzing event in the development of neo-Nazi and Islamic terrorist relations. Early in 1991, the German neo-Nazi leader Michael Kuehnen contacted the Iraqi Embassy in Bonn and offered to train and equip a squadron of neo-Nazi mercenaries to assist Saddam in the coming war against the alliance led by the United States. Indeed, when Kuehnen was arrested for the last time by German police in April of 1991 (Kuehnen died shortly afterwards of AIDS), included among the documents found in his apartment was a copy of a draft treaty between the ``Anti-Zionist League`` and the ``Government of Iraq.``

Another German neo-Nazi leader, Heinz Reisz, appearing live on Hessian state television on January 25, 1991, gained a great deal of notoriety by proclaiming, ``Long live the fight for Saddam Hussein, long live his people, long live their leader, God save the Arab people.``

Although upwards of as many as 500 neo-Nazi mercenaries, formed into a so-called Freedom Corps, were sent to Iraq in 1991, their military effect was negligible at best. Eyewitness accounts say that most of the mercenaries did little other than parade around Baghdad in SS uniforms. The members of the ``Freedom Corps`` fled Iraq after the first night of Alliance bombing. Regardless of the ignominious military performance of the neo-Nazis in Iraq in 1991, this was an important event because it led to greater ties and cooperation among American right-wing extremists, European neo-Nazis and Islamic terrorists.

Oklahoma City

Domestic terrorism in the United States also rose greatly in the aftermath of the first Gulf War. Timothy McVeigh, himself a veteran of that conflict, stunned the world by his bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in 1995 in Oklahoma City. But the evidence suggests that the neo-Nazi/Islamic terrorist network played a significant role in this act of terrorism.

First, the choice of a terrorist target in Oklahoma is very telling. Although Oklahoma is a conservative southern state that has a reputation for patriotism and sends an unusually high percentage of its young people into the military, it is also one of the bastions of the neo-Nazi movement in the United States. In 1991, the Oklahoma Klan leader Dennis Mahon led a rally in support of Saddam Hussein in Tulsa. And Oklahoma is also home to Elohim City, a neo-Nazi paramilitary compound that has served as a training ground for right-wing extremists for the past thirty years. Groups associated with Elohim City have included The Order, Covenant Sword and Arm, White Aryan Resistance and the Aryan Republican Army. The latter group included Timothy McVeigh among its members.

Extremists residing at Elohim City received military-style training from a number of sources. One of the trainers there was Andreas Carl Strassmeir of Germany, a neo-Nazi and the son of Guenter Strassmeir, a chief aide of disgraced former German chancellor Helmut Kohl. The elder Strassmeir is widely regarded as the architect of Kohl`s reunification plan that merged the former East Germany with the Federal Republic in 1991.And Guenter`s father was one of the original members of the Nazi Party in the early 1920`s.

Andreas Strassmeir is important to this story because he not only became a close friend and confidant of Timothy McVeigh, but also because he is regarded by many investigators as John Doe #2, the unknown person assisting McVeigh and Terry Nichols at the scene of the Oklahoma City bombing who was seen by a number of eyewitnesses.

In addition to training various neo-Nazi and militia groups, Strassmeir was involved in a number of very curious activities. According to an FBI report dated May 10, 1995, ``Additional documents reveal that at one time Strassmeir was attempting to purchase a 747 aircraft from Lufthansa; however, the reason for the purchase is not reflected in the documents.``

In 1995 it would not have been unreasonable for an FBI investigator to give Strassmeir`s attempted purchase of a Boeing 747 mere passing notice. In light of 9/11, however, Strassmeir`s aborted airliner purchase gives one pause and raises the real possibility that 9/11 type attacks were being planned as far back as 1995 by insiders in the neo-Nazi/Islamic terrorist network. (And flying a privately owned jet or one operated by remote control would save the problem of hijacking airliners en route.) Strassmeir left the United States shortly after the bombing and currently resides in Berlin.

Mutual Enemies, Mutual Interests

The many points of contact between the neo-Nazis and the Islamic terrorists and their mutual targets of large public buildings demonstrate what I would like to term the ``Strangers on a Train`` scenario of current terrorist activity. In the Alfred Hitchcock movie of that name, two men unknown to each other meet on a train and start talking. Each needs to dispose of a person. They agree to kill each other`s intended victim, thereby eliminating the element of motive from the ensuing police investigations. In a similar manner, evidence of late tends to support the idea that Al Qaeda is farming out terrorist work -- which is why American investigators have been so interested in the remote area of South America where Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay border each other.

It is there that wealthy German ex-Nazis, Islamic terrorists, Basque and IRA terrorists on the lam as well as narco-terrorists are known to be in steady contact. The possibilities for Mafia-style terrorist ``contracts`` are virtually unlimited.

It may come as something of a surprise to some when they realize just how well funded the various neo-Nazi organizations are. Authorities have known for years that a Swiss banker by the name of Francois Genoud has been funding neo-Nazi activities throughout the world. Genoud first gained prominence as the financial adviser to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. He is alleged to have funded neo-Nazi activities through the use of confiscated Jewish funds that were deposited in Swiss banks by the Nazis. Genoud funded the legal defense of Eichmann during his trial in 1961. And most chilling of all, Genoud was closely associated with the Palestinian terrorists who murdered Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972.

Another Swiss financier of neo-Nazi and Islamic terror is Ahmed Huber, (nee Albert Huber), a former journalist who converted to Islam. Swiss authorities raided Huber`s suburban home outside of Berne on November 8, 2001, when U.S. officials identified him as one of the chief financial operators for Al Qaeda. Huber had been very active with the Al Taqwa (literally ``Fear of God``) international banking group, an Islamic terrorist front organization that had been funding the activities of Hamas and other Muslim extremists. According to a report released by Germany`s Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz (``Office for the Protection of the Constitution``), Huber ``sees himself as a mediator between Islam and right-wing groups.``

Huber and others of his ilk have found that Holocaust denial organizations provide the ideal venues for coordinating the efforts of the neo-Nazis and the Islamic terrorists. Indeed, Holocaust denial is the one area in which the beliefs of the neo-Nazis and Islamic terrorists coincide completely. And given the levels of post-9/11 security, international Holocaust denial conferences now have greater importance for planning and coordination among the neo-Nazi/Islamic terrorist networks.

This is due to the unfortunate fact that Holocaust denial organizations have the patina of scholarly respectability. Groups such as the Santa Barbara, California-based Institute for Historical Review produce glossy quasi-academic-style journals complete with footnotes and bibliography and well-designed and user-friendly websites. Holocaust denial groups sponsor international meetings that allow representatives of neo-Nazi and Islamic terrorist groups to meet because they narrowly fall within guidelines in most Western countries allowing for the free exchange of ``ideas.`` And with the current embrace of anti-Semitism by most leftist academics (in addition to their traditional anti-Americanism), there is now often very little difference between the symposia sponsored by officially recognized Middle Eastern Studies organizations in America and Europe and those organized by Holocaust denial groups.

While American forces continue to identify and destroy Al Qaeda`s ability to conduct terrorist activities on its own, we must become more vigilant to the increasing possibility of ``terror by hire`` as neo-Nazi and other right-wing extremists step up to fill the void.

The next 9/11-style terrorist attack may not be attempted by a keffiya-wearing Arab terrorist spouting quotations from the Koran, but by an IRA terrorist whose services were purchased by a left-wing European intellectual attending a Middle Eastern Studies caucus of some leftist academic group during an annual conference in Omaha or Chicago or San Francisco.

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or this one from 2003

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../3/154714.shtml

The Nazi Origins of Modern Arab Terror

Chuck Morse

Tuesday, March 4, 2003

The agenda and political faith of Saddam Hussein, Yasir Arafat, Osama bin Laden, Hamas and the rest of the international Islamic terrorists can be traced back to World War II and two key figures, Adolf Hitler and Amin al-Husseini, known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Much has been written about the Mufti, all well-documented, including chapters by such prominent authors as Connor Cruise O’Brien, former Irish ambassador to the U.N. Mountains of documented evidence is out there and available to anyone who cares to look.

The Nuremberg and Eichmann trials revealed that Nazi official Adolf Eichmann met with the British-appointed Mufti in Palestine in 1937. Following this meeting, the Mufti would become essentially an agent of Nazi Germany charged with the funding and organizing of pro-Nazi organizations in Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Iraq.

In 1941, along with Rashid Ali and Khairallah Tulfah, Saddam Hussein’s uncle, guardian and later father-in-law, the Mufti instigated a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq with Nazi-supplied weapons and aircraft. After the coup failed, the Mufti fled to Berlin, where he would hold his first of several meetings with Adolf Hitler.

At this meeting the Mufti was reported to have dissuaded Hitler from considering the deportation of the Jews to Palestine. Instead, the Mufti advocated and even possibly suggested what came to be known as the final solution against the Jews. In 1942, the Mufti would intervene and stop the Nazis from exchanging 10,000 Jewish children for Nazi POWs.

The Mufti’s activities in Nazi Germany and occupied Europe would set the stage for today’s Islamic terrorism. On April 25, 1941, the Nazis sent the Mufti to Nazi-occupied Bosnia, where he assumed the title “Protector of Islam.”

On Feb. 10, 1943, Hitler ordered the creation of the Nazi SS Division Hanzar and approximately 100,000 Bosnian Muslims volunteered. The Mufti, serving as chief administrator, referred to these Nazi-Muslim brigades as “the cream of Islam.”

The Hanzars, deriving their name from the type of dagger carried by Ottoman officers, played an active role in the extermination of Christians and Jews in the Balkans. The Mufti attempted to implement the Nazi “Pejani Plan,” which called for the extermination of the Christian Serbs and which the Nazis eventually abandoned.

All in all, the Bosnian Muslim Hanzars assisted in the extermination of approximately 200,000 Christian Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 22,000 Jews.

In 1943, Hitler appointed the Mufti as head of a Nazi-Muslim government in exile. From his headquarters in Berlin, a confiscated Jewish mansion, the Mufti laid out plans for a concentration camp for Jews near Nablus in Palestine modeled after Auschwitz. Photos exist of the Mufti touring Auschwitz with Heinrich Himmler.

Nazi attitudes regarding Islam were perhaps best expressed by Himmler, who is reported to have stated: “I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

Deriving financial support from a fund of confiscated Jewish money known as the Sonderfund, the Mufti was installed as head of the Nazi-created Islamic Institute (Islamische Zentralinstitut) in Dresden, where he would begin the process of educating future Islamic leaders in Nazi ideology.

To spur them on to victory, the Mufti delivered a speech in Berlin on March 1, 1944, to an audience of Hanzar troops in which he said: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases god, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”

On that day, future Islamic terrorists received their marching orders.

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just search for nazi islam or nazi al-queda etc...

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Avinash_Tyagi

As they said they warned all civillians to get the hell out. The strikes on their country days and days before kind of pointed to that being serious.

Perhaps, Lebanon shouldn't have supported Hizbollah and let them grow within their borders all these years.

I'm watching the Israeli video right now on the early morning ABC news that is showing clearly that Hizbollah was firing rockets from that area of town.

The blood spilled is resting on Hizbollah's actions.

That's an amazingly silly comment Kratos, you really think everyone can get out of the way (do you remember new orleans last year? And that was in the US) Yes its the children's fault for not getting out of the way and harboring Hezbollah :rolleyes:

The Blood spilled is on Israels hands as well, they killed those Kids, plain and simple, if someone is shooting from the middle of a crowd and you fire back and hit a group of kids then you're responsible for their deaths, plain and simple.

Me an ignorant? I'm not the who is being manipulated by the Hezbollah.

What??? Wait for confirmation each time before firing at the enemies???

Why not tell the same thing to the Hezbollah , before they launch their rockets into civilian targets, confirm that they are really civilians and not military targets!

No you're just manipulated by Israel, and yes you're ignorant, get this through your head hezbollah is a terrorist organization, you really think they care who dies? Unless you want to consider Israel as terrorists as well then you have to accept that they're going to be held to a higher standard.

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AROCES

And you want to fight the terrorist with your hands tied behind you back? Then leave the fighting to those who wants to win and finish the job! You too good and weak, terroritst thrives on people like you.

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Mekorig

yes, and only strong people how arent concerned on killing a few civilians just to kill some terrorist are neede, isnt?....ahhhh, its soo "Heart of Darkness".

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AROCES

yes, and only strong people how arent concerned on killing a few civilians just to kill some terrorist are neede, isnt?....ahhhh, its soo "Heart of Darkness".

YES! The strong protects the weak from evil, and in doing so unfortunate things happen for you are dealing with EVIL people.

But you get the job DONE!

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Avinash_Tyagi

YES! The strong protects the weak from evil, and in doing so unfortunate things happen for you are dealing with EVIL people.

But you get the job DONE!

So to beat evil you have to be evil and commit "unfortunate" acts?

Sorry I don't buy that.

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AROCES

So to beat evil you have to be evil and commit "unfortunate" acts?

Sorry I don't buy that.

So, what are you going to do if Hezbollah keeps firing at you with rockets and use the civilians for cover? You going to just keep running away or hide? You going to back off the moment one civilian gets killed? How would you know if they didn't kill the civilian themselves and use it as a propaganda being the lunatic they are? And they continue on firing rockets at you? Well, what are you going to do?

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Avinash_Tyagi

So, what are you going to do if Hezbollah keeps firing at you with rockets and use the civilians for cover? You going to just keep running away or hide? You going to back off the moment one civilian gets killed? How would you know if they didn't kill the civilian themselves and use it as a propaganda being the lunatic they are? And they continue on firing rockets at you? Well, what are you going to do?

Depends on a lot of factors, severity of Rocket attacks, numbers of civilians in line of fire, ability to get at Hezbollah leadership without massive strikes etc.

I don't expect there to be no civilian casulaties in war, however the way Israel is conducting its assaults, all but garuntees civilain casualties, not to mention this isn't the first and probably will not be the last.

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truthorder

I uploaded a bit of the BBC news we watched today via the PBS station from TV. This is over 17 minutes.. Youtube only allows 10 minutes.

I uploaded a portion of it here on Youtube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acEv1MYtMQk

The WHOLE news bit found here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/CindyPDX/video/...more-news-today

I can see Blair is getting very frustrated with this (finally) He wants this to stop NOW ... Bush as usual makes me want to puke.. All I know is something MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS NOW NOT TOMORROW- NOW!!! I am tired of the slow process the world leaders are taking on this issue while the women and children are dying in this war!

If the U.S. intervenes in something, we get blasted.

If the U.S. stands back, we get blasted for not intervening.

And I don't want to hear all the crap about how we supply the Israeli army with weapons. Hezbollah are using U.S. made MP4's along with Russian made AK-47's.

You know, at some point, people are going to have to realize that the American public is becoming more and more isolationist.

All I can say is.........you asked for it. Deal with it.

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That's an amazingly silly comment Kratos, you really think everyone can get out of the way (do you remember new orleans last year? And that was in the US) Yes its the children's fault for not getting out of the way and harboring Hezbollah :rolleyes:

The Blood spilled is on Israels hands as well, they killed those Kids, plain and simple, if someone is shooting from the middle of a crowd and you fire back and hit a group of kids then you're responsible for their deaths, plain and simple.

No you're just manipulated by Israel, and yes you're ignorant, get this through your head hezbollah is a terrorist organization, you really think they care who dies? Unless you want to consider Israel as terrorists as well then you have to accept that they're going to be held to a higher standard.

So Hezbollah has the right to attack innocent civilians, but Israel doesn't?

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Avinash_Tyagi

So Hezbollah has the right to attack innocent civilians, but Israel doesn't?

No, but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath while waiting for them to stop.

Hezbollah are terrorists so you expect them to act immorally, Israel is supposedly not, hence why they are held to a higher standard

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truthorder

No, but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath while waiting for them to stop.

Hezbollah are terrorists so you expect them to act immorally, Israel is supposedly not, hence why they are held to a higher standard

So Israel should bring a knife to a gun fight?

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Avinash_Tyagi

So Israel should bring a knife to a gun fight?

Its not necessary to descend to the level of your enemy to defeat them.

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Its not necessary to descend to the level of your enemy to defeat them.

But, in essence, what you're saying is that it's okay for Hezbollah to use those tactics, but it's not okay for Israel to use them.

Would it be okay if the world armed Hezbollah with "smart" weapons so that the two sides would be on an even playing field?

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That's an amazingly silly comment Kratos, you really think everyone can get out of the way (do you remember new orleans last year? And that was in the US) Yes its the children's fault for not getting out of the way and harboring Hezbollah :rolleyes:

The Blood spilled is on Israels hands as well, they killed those Kids, plain and simple, if someone is shooting from the middle of a crowd and you fire back and hit a group of kids then you're responsible for their deaths, plain and simple.

So because of their lack of transportation or will power, you have to blame Israel for it? They showed a Lebanonese woman that had just given birth to a baby boy that walked 10 miles in the warzone and heat to get to shelter. - Yet, others couldn't get out because of no taxis and such?

Sure, some people can't get out or refuse but Israel did give that warning to everybody and the shellings for the last 2 weeks kind of point to get your **** out of there.

Perhaps Hizbollah shouldn't have been firing rockets from an area with civillians in it? Israel isn't psychic... They see rockets being fired at their own civillians and they fire back. However Hizbollah is in the country and on the ground talking to the local people and yet they are abusing those poor people yet by attracting fire at them. It's not like Israel saw that building full of shelter people and then bombed it.

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Depends on a lot of factors, severity of Rocket attacks, numbers of civilians in line of fire, ability to get at Hezbollah leadership without massive strikes etc.

I don't expect there to be no civilian casulaties in war, however the way Israel is conducting its assaults, all but garuntees civilain casualties, not to mention this isn't the first and probably will not be the last.

Depends, there you go. The difference now is you would do it too but you don't agree with the judgement of when to do it. And if the number of civilians in the front line does not change, you will just keep absorbing the hit and wait for the bad guys to ran out of rockets? You now save the other civilians while your own civilians are getting killed, you call that being full of heart and SMART?

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Avinash_Tyagi

Depends, there you go. The difference now is you would do it too but you don't agree with the judgement of when to do it. And if the number of civilians in the front line does not change, you will just keep absorbing the hit and wait for the bad guys to ran out of rockets? You now save the other civilians while your own civilians are getting killed, you call that being full of heart and SMART?

You're assuming that in response to these missle attacks that the method Israel is using is the only way, when there are alternatives to airstrikes and artillery barrages on populated areas.

So because of their lack of transportation or will power, you have to blame Israel for it? They showed a Lebanonese woman that had just given birth to a baby boy that walked 10 miles in the warzone and heat to get to shelter. - Yet, others couldn't get out because of no taxis and such?

Sure, some people can't get out or refuse but Israel did give that warning to everybody and the shellings for the last 2 weeks kind of point to get your **** out of there.

Perhaps Hizbollah shouldn't have been firing rockets from an area with civillians in it? Israel isn't psychic... They see rockets being fired at their own civillians and they fire back. However Hizbollah is in the country and on the ground talking to the local people and yet they are abusing those poor people yet by attracting fire at them. It's not like Israel saw that building full of shelter people and then bombed it.

Well either they knew people were in there and guessed wrong who it was or they were stupid enough to hit the wrong target, either way it shows a lack of intelligence in all uses of the word on their part, How about those who are unable to travel Kratos due to illness or injury (I can't believe you're grasping so hard as to blame the victims for being bombed)? Just because some can escape doesn't mean all can, and yes even with warnings, Israel is at fault for launching the airstrikes into populated areas because they have to know that there is a strong likelihood of Civilians still remaining in the cities and towns they attack, they just don't care as long as they get at Hezbollah, in that way both sides are alike, they don't really care about the civilians who get harmed as long as they kill the other guys.

But, in essence, what you're saying is that it's okay for Hezbollah to use those tactics, but it's not okay for Israel to use them.

Would it be okay if the world armed Hezbollah with "smart" weapons so that the two sides would be on an even playing field?

One more time

Hezbollah=Terrorists

Israel= Supposedly not

I never once stated it was ok for Hezbollah to use those tactics, however you'd be foolish to think that they'll stop using those tactics (being Terrorists, you have to expect that they will use those tactics).

Edited by Avinash_Tyagi

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