The Satanic Bible

[Imaginary Friend]

(sic) and there are no other Satanist groups, Anton set down the rules of Satanism all the "Satanists" you hear about in the news are just devil worshipping cults

[markdohle]

The Setians arent Satanists, they are Setians, and there are no other Satanist groups, Anton set down the rules of Satanism all the "Satanists" you hear about in the news are just devil worshipping cults

Actually, Satan being a christian enity, I would think that the 'trads" are the real ones, and the rest are playing dress up. Sort of like Ayn Rand going Campy.

In any case I have nothing against satanist, at least the kind that you are. It is the complusion that satanist, and atheist have, of constantly trying to convince others how strong, and brave, they are,while the rest of us "sheep", are weak, that gets a little trying at times. You guys are pretty much fundies in your black and white attitude towards others. Silly actually all the fuss ya'all make over yoursleves.

Peace

Mark

[demonic presence]

i do agree that many Satanists and Atheists do make a lot of fuss over what they are and their beliefs, i however am not like that, i dont care what you believe in, to each his own ya know? I get annoyed when i hear people preaching to me telling me how im wrong so why should i do the same. I dont consider you weak at all, just of different beliefs

[chaoszerg]

I never once saw that mentioned in the book. It focused more on selfishness in my opinion.

Page 64 of the satanic bible check that page out.

If Christianity is such a joke, why did LaVey worry so much about going to Heaven and repenting on his death bed?

He did not lol.

Edited September 17, 2006 by chaoszerg

[__Kratos__]

I never once saw that mentioned in the book. It focused more on selfishness in my opinion.

You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!

-Anton LaVey

The whole book in my opinion is boring. I bought it thinking it would have had some disturbing writtings in it. Instead it's about LaVey whining about seeing people repenting every weekend and going back to doing the same thing when he worked at the carnival, mocking Christianity and then reclaiming Christianity on your death bed so you can go to Heaven.

He did mock Christians. He mocked their oxymoron ways. He mentions it more then once in his interviews and works.

If Christianity is such a joke, why did LaVey worry so much about going to Heaven and repenting on his death bed?

He didn't.

It's like people who call themselves 'Straight Edge' wanna be straight edge? Don't do drugs and don't have sex until marriage.

If you wanna be a modern-Satanist, induldge in yourself, be a prick for your whole life and then be nice to people before you die.

Empowering yourself to control your life as you want for yourself doesn't always including doing drugs or having sex. You're simply twisting this for your own views.

I've seen PLENTY of people like this anyhow, but they never claimed they were Satanists.

There are many people that show signs of these teachings, doesn't mean they are followers.

Hahaha GOwneD

You show signs of being a follower of Satanism yourself you know... You really don't like your enemies.

Oh yeah, why are there so many Christians in here going on about the devil and hell? Did you know a Satanic guildline is against ignorance and stupidity? Satanism = Adversity.

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

[markdohle]

i do agree that many Satanists and Atheists do make a lot of fuss over what they are and their beliefs, i however am not like that, i dont care what you believe in, to each his own ya know? I get annoyed when i hear people preaching to me telling me how im wrong so why should i do the same. I dont consider you weak at all, just of different beliefs

Yes I agree. Those who show only contempt are merely showing about who and what they are than the ones they are belittling.

Peace

Mark

[Decapitated]

the name confused, Pope Black might have said someone else."

And given St.Mary's was the closest emergency facility, when Anton L. was dying of pulmonary edema, (when fluid fills the lungs, drowning the victim), saying he was "owned" in his final hours doesn't prove AL was not a Satanist to the end. It proves you're a callous child so full of hate you don't know what your talking about. But don't let that stop you. AL would and probably is, having a good laugh at your expense.

Hateful? What's so hateful at me laughing at Satanism as much as anyone laughs at Scientology?

If he rejected Christianity, he'd die at home instead of looking to the lord or people who follow the lord for assistance.

I'll have to look it up, but it's a fact that he did repent, and I used to talk to plenty of 'Satanists' who say that because the way Christianity is, you can go on killing for years and then repent all that you did on your death bed to get into Heaven.

Just because you're mad that most people laughed at him for making a fad-religon doesn't mean I hate it or hate people. Besides, isn't it comical that Satanism suggest you should hate people if they dont' treat your right?

i do agree that many Satanists and Atheists do make a lot of fuss over what they are and their beliefs, i however am not like that, i dont care what you believe in, to each his own ya know? I get annoyed when i hear people preaching to me telling me how im wrong so why should i do the same. I dont consider you weak at all, just of different beliefs

Exactly, that's how I feel. The orthodox-jews consider none-jews as cattle and that we're all going to rot in Hell as stated in the Talmud, I don't give a damn, so why would I about Satanism?

It just so happens I gave my view on the book..and then some people (like Imaginary) decided to get irate about it and assume I'm some Christian..as if Chrisitans are the only ones who can comment on a book they read.

Edited September 18, 2006 by Decapitated

[Decapitated]

Well Anton's thoughts on human nature were on target, no need to be a genius to do that.

However one thing Anton failed to state is what we do naturally is self destructive. All one has to do is look around at the world. Hate comes easy, no need for dicipline, just go with the flow right over the cliff.

Violence begets violence, and unending cycle that gets worse each passing year since the weight of hatred and the desire for revenge continues to grow. Anton was a teenager all of his life, and intelligent one, but also shallow. He died a bitter man, a con artist to the end. From what I read he had only contempt for his followers, who in end are sheep, the very thing they constantly say they are not.

Though of all the different satanist groups, the followers of Le Vay express themselves more rationally than any one else. The setians also do a good job.

Unless the cycle of violence is broken we only have a short time left. Our weapons are simply too powerful for any other outcome to be possible.

Scientologists express themselves rationally too.

You show signs of being a follower of Satanism yourself you know... You really don't like your enemies.

Oh yeah, why are there so many Christians in here going on about the devil and hell? Did you know a Satanic guildline is against ignorance and stupidity? Satanism = Adversity.

He's not my enemy. If I were a full blown Christian I'd be intelligent enough to not even care about people who follow the religion as I am now. I know where I'm going, I couldn't care less about what other people choose to do with their life.

And the word 'Love thy neighbor' simply means to respect them, not as what the word had turned into today. It doesn't imply "Let me go next door and express my love for my neighbor by giving them some roses and making out with the neighbor's wife!"

Christianity is a religion that tries to get people to be peaceful with each other, much like Budda, etc.

If you want to follow a religion that's silly like that, why not just consider yourself an ******* instead?

Like I said before, I know plenty of people who don't believe in God, Heaven or Hell and don't care about anyone else, always have something negative to say and have vendettas from as far as high school while they're in their 40's. You don't need a religion for that, you just need to be easily brainwashed and fooled into thinking anything that you feel or see is 'animal instinct'.

Why don't we stop wearing clothes? It's animal instinct to not wear clothes, right?

Why don't we go out in the woods and mate with each othe? It's animal instinct to mate any chance we get, right?

So much for LaVey not caring about anyone else or Christians..he certainly had an obsession with them and failed to show he didn't care as all he talked about was them in his book.

Edited September 18, 2006 by Decapitated

[Imaginary Friend]

If he rejected Christianity, he'd die at home instead of looking to the lord or people who follow the lord for assistance.

You've never had experience with emergency services. If someone is dying from pulmonary edema, it's well and good to project a satanists brave facade that says; what? nearest place to save me is a christian hospital? Screw that let me die on my floor! However, until you feel what it's like to drown in your own fluids, you have no idea what your talking about.

Furthermore, if AL or someone in his circle at the time of the attack dialed 911, the transport is obligated to take the patient to the nearest critical care facility. In this case it happened to be St.Marys! Now while AL, if he was conscious, could have refused transport by signing a waiver to send the ambulance away, he didn't. Because one of the strongest philosophies in a satanist philosophy is self preservation! So, St.Mary's it was, because that was the nearest facility wherein he could stand a chance to save his life! And he went for it! St.Mary's might have been a catholic facility, however they were first and foremost an emergency hospital! That's what mattered in those moments AL was suffocating to death. AL did not believe in a physical devil, he honored the hedonistic spirit in the human animal, that was the embodiment of the antithesis of the white lighters eunuch christ. He was secure enough in his faith not to be intimidated by that effigy to forgo saving his own life in spite of the being and philosophy to which that facility that could affect treatment to that end, was dedicated.

I'll have to look it up, but it's a fact that he did repent, and I used to talk to plenty of 'Satanists' who say that because the way Christianity is, you can go on killing for years and then repent all that you did on your death bed to get into Heaven.

I look forward to your locating the evidence. Meanwhile, the "way christianity is", is of no concern to satanists. They do not believe in the heaven of that faith, nor do the terms and conditions for being granted access to that gated community, matter to those that know the dark path as a way of life, rather than some pop iconography to adorn one's person and tick off the parent(s). So while anyone can find out or "know" the way christianity "is", Satanists do not care.

Just because you're mad that most people laughed at him for making a fad-religon doesn't mean I hate it or hate people. Besides, isn't it comical that Satanism suggest you should hate people if they don't' treat your right?

I'll accord that last statement to the fact that you are very young. Because if you knew anything at all about AL and "The Church of Satan" , from it's genesis into the public domain Walpurgis 1966, you would know that no one but the fools and the frightened, laughed at Anton LaVey! AL was a pioneer! And that's all I'll say because that you know nothing of the church or the man and now disrespect the dead, indicates your not interested in any of it in the first place.

Oh, and about the hating people that don't treat you right. A position that is certainly subject to interpretation, however what the church philosophy communicates is that the golden rule is for cowards! That if one has the wherewith-all to strike you in your cheek in the first place, to turn the other toward what is obviously an bold offensive, is to suffer yet again! If one is a masochist, certainly that would serve. However, those that are possessed of a defective personality that causes them to initiate the assault, represent themselves to be compassionless at their core. Hence their attack on that cheek. One does not reason with that, nor do they pray and hope something unseen turns the heart of that which sought to physically assault a fellow human being. Therefore, if one does not wish to suffer at the hands of those that would strike your being, unless it is by your free will to accept such disrespect, strike them back! Because the satanic philosophy of self preservation, personal "godhood" as it were, dictates self respect demands one not permit disrespect of self.

Besides, why would someone that is reasonable and possessed of a healthy sense of self, like someone that hates them for who they are!? Anton referred to christianity as the religion of the slaves. Satanism abides as a philosophy of the masters!

Edited September 18, 2006 by Imaginary Friend

[Banw]

I've been interested in the satanic bible because i've been flooded with the christian side of things(even though im not one anymore) but never heard the satanic side. Not that i'd ever been a satanic or anything...

[Imaginary Friend]

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The Philosophies of Satanism (LinK)

[Magikman]

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[Decapitated]

You've never had experience with emergency services

And what makes you assume this? What's to say I'm not an actual EMT worker?

AL did not believe in a physical devil,

I know this, but what I find comical is a lot of the propaganda (as well as himself) tend to try and look all scary and evil.

So while anyone can find out or "know" the way christianity "is", Satanists do not care.

Then why did LaVey have such an obsession with Christians? Why not just live your life instead of preaching about how silly the Christian faith is more than Hitler preached abotu the jews and National Socialism? I don't get it. There's plenty more evil and anti-Christ-esque things out there, the only reason the Christians actually debate with Satanists is the same reason White Supremacists debate about the jewish faith.

Besides, why would someone that is reasonable and possessed of a healthy sense of self, like someone that hates them for who they are!? Anton referred to christianity as the religion of the slaves. Satanism abides as a philosophy of the masters!

I disagree with you, but what else is new? Religion is going to be debated no matter how open a person is or how non-religious someone is.

It's also very hard to debate religion without someway insulting it or insulting the people who follow it.

[dreamhunter]

anyone know what yankee rose is?

[Magikman]

It's also very hard to debate religion without someway insulting it or insulting the people who follow it.

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[Imaginary Friend]

anyone know what yankee rose is?

Anton LaVey did. And as such he wished it to remain his secret. A request the CoS respects to this day. There is however an allusion to what he might have been speaking about at the CoS website. (A link AL was fully aware of btw, so it's not betraying his secret or request for it's anonymity) Yankee Rose

Edited September 19, 2006 by Imaginary Friend

[__Kratos__]

Anton LaVey did. And as such he wished it to remain his secret. A request the CoS respects to this day. There is however an allusion to what he might have been speaking about at the CoS website. (A link AL was fully aware of btw, so it's not betraying his secret or request for it's anonymity) Yankee Rose

I'm still a firm believer in torture to extract what it means.

I've always thought of it as more as a metaphor for something he wanted in his life. The term yankee rose isn't perfect and that's what he never wanted to be. In one of his interviews he talks about women he likes having a hair our of place or can't help something. It's those little kinks in life that bring the mystery to us and we should learn to love who we are.

If that makes any sense... Sounded better in my head.

[Nova Scotia]

Now i Can see Satanist beleaveing in rewards in this life , like even the Bibles says Satan is the God of this world . I have no Doubt Satan could make his followers rich ,have women , men , i have no doubt you could gain in this life .

As i don't really Think God is Curseing Satanist he only chastises his children at this time and if you don't belong to God i Doubt he is out to get you (teach you Lessons)

I also aggree real Christianity could actually make you suffer more in this life as you are living in Satans world .

What id like to Know is Do Satanist have any long term beleafs ? Do you beleave Satan Can give you Imortality? Any rewards other then this Life from Satanism?

Now i as a Christian beleave i Could actually live a Life much harder then normal life , just he fact of haveing to keep Gods commands in this society could make life alot harder . I actually have found im no good as a fishing captain now as its all lieing and cheating here now . Honesty like i beleave God expects actually can make you have a hard time in this society . The seventh day Sabbath laws i know make for a harder life in a world that has no idea to Gods way .I also know as a christian you can be hated by many for no real reason . But Christianity looks towards the prize at the end which would be their place in the Kingdom of God .

Satan has only a Few (very few years left) then hes looked up for 1000 years . Then after the 1000 years he is released for a very short time . then for the rest of eternity hes gone . Now why would Any body want to get on that ShiP ?

Do you beleave different About eternity? Or is it you are willing to throw away eternity for a few pleasures in this life ?

[__Kratos__]

Satanism isn't the Christian Satan that is all evil and rules hell.

"Satan is a symbol, nothing more," LaVey says. "Satan signifies our love of the worldly and our rejection of the pallid, ineffectual image of Christ on the cross."

What id like to Know is Do Satanist have any long term beleafs ?

If you mean morals and rules...

The Satanic Golden Rule

You can start there and work your way down the list.

[Imaginary Friend]

With all due respect to your faith Nova S. , Satanism is actually a christian heresy. As it is practiced by those that are members of the Church of Satan (CoS), and others that claim the mantel of "satanist". Satan is the antithesis of christ. The dark side of the light, sort of speak.

Satanism as it is practiced by those members of the faith is a contemporary heresy. Whereas the spirit of satanic practice is ancient and far older than the myth afforded christ, to which the deceiver was a counterpart, or even in the OT as the embodiment of the "serpent". "Satan" is not used in the bible, save in the book of Job, where he is referred to as "Ha-Satan" (The Adversary) As the prosecuting attorney against mankind in the heavenly court of God.

So, the eternal life, or paradise you refer to when you ask if practitioners live the satanic philosophy and then choose to forgo paradise for eternity, is irrelevant to the faithful. Satanists do not believe in the paradise of the christians. Nor do they usually subscribe to an afterlife of any kind. (Not all satanists can be said to believe this. Satanism is mutable, by nature. ) Therefore, most satanists believe only in the here and now. This life is the one and only chance to affect one's will, at will. Thereby reaping the benefits or suffer the consequence of those choices. (What christians foresee in their earthly conduct as acts that result in heaven or hell)

There are satanists that ascribe a faith in an anthropomorphic and/or spiritual being, a real creation, as the embodiment of "Satan". Just as many christians envision a humanoid God form sitting on high and judging and/or blessing the world. These practitioners are known as "Theistic Satanists".

Besides the site I already linked in this thread, this link (hosted by a non-satanist), will give you a clear overview of the practices of Satanism.

Excerpt:

Religious Satanists live on many principles. Some live by a set of "mortal sins" put forth by Anton LaVey, who wrote the Satanic Bible and gave rise to what Religious Satanism is today. The nine sins are:

1.Stupidity (the foremost and Cardinal Sin)

2.Preteniousness

3.Solipsism

4.Self-Deceit

5.Herd Conformity

6.Lack of Perspective

7.Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies

8.Conterproductive Pride

9.Lack of Aesthetics

*Solipsism , for clarity, should be defined in the context of LaVeyan practice;

At the CoS it is listed as the Third Satanic Sin: (Solipsism=Philosophy. The theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist. 2. extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.

Solipsism - Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you" It's work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point" Anton LaVey warning against Solipsism in the Third Satanic Sin

Be advised however, that AL's satanism is not the only satanic practice or philosophy ascribed to the dark father, or the LHP, etc... as it is called. Anton LaVey promoted what is essentially ritualistic hedonism. There are faithful practices invested in the spirit of what some today know as Satanism, that are far older than the anthropomorphic antithesis that evolved to stand contrary to the christ. (A myth in itself that emanated from that of "Abraxas")

One of the most ancient references to that which people call "Satan" and all of it's negative aspects, is known from ancient Persian mythology as "Ahriman". And it is believed it is from this that all subsequent references to the foe or enemy of moral faith, emanated.

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Edited September 20, 2006 by Imaginary Friend

[Hermetic Hermit]

Now i Can see Satanist beleaveing in rewards in this life , like even the Bibles says Satan is the God of this world .

Now i as a Christian beleave i....

A Christian that believes in two Gods? Please explain.

[Never_Hit_Nirvana]

The nine sins are:

1.Stupidity (the foremost and Cardinal Sin)

2.Preteniousness

3.Solipsism

4.Self-Deceit

5.Herd Conformity

6.Lack of Perspective

7.Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies

8.Conterproductive Pride

9.Lack of Aesthetics

Holy Poop on a Stick!

A set of sins I agree with.

[GoddessWhispers]

Just at a glance, they seem like points of common sense in self interest. I like that.

[Nova Scotia]

One God but its a family of a Father and A son ( I thought if you never Accepted the FATHER and THE SON it was anti Christ .)

thats whats in the bible , well they talk to each other in hebrews 1

A Father and A Son read how Paul opens his letters

I as a christian also Don't accept the cross as a christian symbul . I beleave a real studied Satanist that knows his stuff would know the cross is as satanic as a pentigram .

Satanist that reject the Cross well i don't think they are any more knowledgeble then the christians who use the cross . Its a Satanic Symbul .

I as a Christian also know how foolish this ever burning hell is .Its done through mistranslations .

[markdohle]

One God but its a family of a Father and A son ( I thought if you never Accepted the FATHER and THE SON it was anti Christ .)

thats whats in the bible , well they talk to each other in hebrews 1

A Father and A Son read how Paul opens his letters

I as a christian also Don't accept the cross as a christian symbul . I beleave a real studied Satanist that knows his stuff would know the cross is as satanic as a pentigram .

Satanist that reject the Cross well i don't think they are any more knowledgeble then the christians who use the cross . Its a Satanic Symbul .

I as a Christian also know how foolish this ever burning hell is .Its done through mistranslations .

Hmmmm funny how everyone is an expert when it comes to the bible, or religion. Anything that comes into their head is "true". No wonder we are so mocked, the above is nonsense.