Cloud People

[Harks]

Here is a new news story I read today about "The Chachapoyas", a white-skinned tribe known as the 'cloud people'. I am just wondering where these white people orignally come from.

"Archaeologists uncover ancient burial cave of warrior tribe in Peru

Archaeologists have uncovered a 600-year-old, large underground cemetery belonging to a Peruvian warrior culture.

It is thought to be the first discovery of its kind.

After a tip-off from a farmer in Peru's northern Amazon jungle, archaeologists from Peru's National Culture Institute last week found the 250-metre deep cave that was used for burial and worship by the Chachapoyas tribe.

Herman Corbera, the expedition's leader and regional cultural director, says so far archaeologists have found five mummies, two of which are intact with skin and hair, as well as ceramics, textiles and wall paintings.

"This is a discovery of transcendental importance," he said.

"We have found these five mummies but I believe there could be many more.

"We think this is the first time any kind of underground burial site this size has been found belonging to Chachapoyas or other cultures in the region."

The Chachapoyas, a white-skinned tribe known as the 'cloud people' by the Incas because of the cloud forests they inhabited in northern Peru, ruled the area from around 800 AD to around 1475, when they were conquered by the Incas.

But their strong resistance to the Incas, who built an empire ranging from northern Ecuador to southern Chile from the 1400s until the Spanish conquest of the 1530s, earned them a reputation as great warriors.

They are best-known today by tourists for their stone citadel Kuelap, near the modern town of Chachapoyas.

In 1996, archaeologists found six ancient burial houses containing several mummies, thought to belong to the Chachapoyas.

"The remote site for this cemetery tells us that the Chachapoyas had enormous respect for their ancestors because they hid them away for protection," Mr Corbera said.

"Locals call the cave Iyacyecuj, or Enchanted Water in Quechua, because of its spiritual importance and its underground rivers."

Mr Corbera says the walls in the limestone cave near the mummies are covered with wall paintings of faces and warrior-like figures that may have been drawn to ward off intruders and evil spirits.

"The idea now is to turn this cave into a museum, but we've got a huge amount of research to do first and protecting the site is a big issue," Mr Corbera said, adding that looters have already vandalised a small part of the cave in search of mummies or gold.

Archaeologists have uncovered thousands of mummies in Peru in recent years, mostly from the Inca culture five centuries ago, including about 2,000 unearthed from under a shantytown near the capital, Lima, in 2002.

One of Peru's most famous mummies is "Juanita the Ice Maiden," a girl preserved in ice on a mountain. "

-Reuters

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200610/s1757142.htm

[RollingThunder06]

Great article. Hope they keep us updated along with pictures.

[:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:]

The Chachapoyas, a white-skinned tribe known as the 'cloud people' by the Incas because of the cloud forests they inhabited in northern Peru, ruled the area from around 800 AD to around 1475, when they were conquered by the Incas.

But their strong resistance to the Incas, who built an empire ranging from northern Ecuador to southern Chile from the 1400s until the Spanish conquest of the 1530s, earned them a reputation as great warriors.

Conquerers to be conquered. That's poetic justice.

[boemba]

Cool! White native people in Peru! I just love it when we humans find evidence that smacks us right in the face saying you don't know sh**!

[frogfish]

I just love it when we humans find evidence that smacks us right in the face saying you don't know sh**!

Well, as a matter of fact, humans do know stuff However blunt that may seem

[Carrieola]

We don't know nearly as much about the wrold around us as we'd like to think we do. There has to be so much we just can't see, can't grasp, or can't understand. ...and how.

[Bokonontheancient]

Interesting article souds pretty cool.. it may be that they were albinos and somehow limited their gene pool so they kept the trait there.

[cubsfan7]

maybe they never went into the sunlight ...jk they were probably albino as someone else said but thats a really cool article

[crystal sage]

The conquistador, Pedro Pizarro, reported in his account of the great Spanish invasion of South America in the 1500s, that while the masses of Andes Indians were small and dark, the members of the ruling Inca family were tall and had whiter skins than the Spaniards themselves. He mentions in particular certain individuals in present day Peru who were White and had red hair. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 351).

Heyerdahl reported that this is reflected in the mummies found in South America - on the Pacific coast, in the desert sand of Paracas, there are large burial caves in which numerous mummies have been perfectly preserved.

Some of the mummies were found to have the stiff black hair of the Indians, while others, which have been kept in the same conditions, have red, often chestnut-colored hair, "silky and wavy, as found amongst Europeans, they have long skulls and remarkably tall bodies. Hair experts have shown by microscopic analysis, that the red hair has all the characteristics that ordinarily distinguish a Nordic hair type from that of Mongols or American Indians." (Heyerdahl, ibid., pages 351, 352).

Pizarro asked who the white skinned redheads were. The Inca Indians replied that they were the last descendants of the Viracochas. The Viracochas, they said, were a divine race of White men with beards. They were so like the Spanish that the Europeans were called Viracochas the moment they came to the Inca Empire. The Incas thought they were the Viracochas who had come sailing back across the Pacific. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 253).

According to the principal Inca legend, before the reign of the first Inca, the sun-god, Con-Ticci Viracocha, had taken leave of his kingdom in present day Peru and sailed off into the Pacific with all his subjects.

When the Spaniards came to Lake Titicaca, up in the Andes, they found the mightiest ruins in all South America - Tiahuanaco. They saw a hill reshaped by man into a stepped pyramid, classical masonry of enormous blocks, beautifully dressed and fitted together, and numerous large statues in human form. They asked the Indians to tell them who had left these enormous ruins.

The well known chronicler, Cieza de Leon, was told in reply that these things had been made long before the Incas came to power. They were made by White and bearded men like the Spaniards themselves. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 253).

The White men had finally abandoned their statues and gone with the leader, Con-Ticci Viracocha, first up to Cuzco, and then down to the Pacific. They were given the Inca name of Viracocha, or "sea foam', because they were white skinned and vanished like foam over the sea.

Above: A red-haired mummy recovered from the Nevado Ampato, Peru, in the mountains near the famous Machu Picchu mountaintop fortress. Dated at circa 1400 AD, this may even have been one of the red-haired Incas that the Spaniards reported seeing.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr6d.htm

Edited October 8, 2006 by crystal sage

[crystal sage]

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Olmec.html

also....

http://www.noborders.net/mate/legend.html

The Guarani tribes worked the land and became excellent craftsmen. They looked forward to the coming of a tall, fair-skinned, blue eyed, bearded God (Pa' i Shume) who, according to legend, descended from the skies and expressed his pleasure with the Guarani. He brought religious knowledge and imparted to them certain agricultural practices to be of benefit during times of drought and pestilence as well as on a day-to-day basis. Significantly, He unlocked the secrets of health and medicine and revealed the healing qualities of native plants. One of the most important of these secrets was how to harvest and prepare the leaves of the Yerba Mate tree. The Mate beverage was meant to ensure health, vitality and longevity.

It was like this: the tribe would clear part of the forest, plant manioc and corn, but after four or five years the soil would be worn out and the tribe had to move on. Tired of such moving, an old Indian refused to go on and preferred to stay where he was. The youngest of his daughters, beautiful Jary, had her heart split: to go on with the tribe's youths, or remain isolated, helping the old man until death would take him to Ivy-Marae's peace. Despite her friends' pleas, she ended up staying with her father.

This love gesture deserved a prize. One day, a unknown shaman arrived at the ranch and asked Jary what she wanted in order to feel happy. The girl did not ask anything. But the old man asked: "I want new forces to go on and take Jary to the tribe that went away".

The shaman gave him a very green plant, perfumed with kindness, and told him to plant it, pick the leaves, dry them on fire, grind them, put the pieces in a gourd, add cold or hot water and sip the infusion. "In this new beverage, you will find an healthy company, even in the sad hours of the cruelest solitude." After which he went away.

Thus was born and grew the "caá-mini," whence came the caá-y beverage that white people would later adopt under the name of Chimarrão in Brazil and Yerba Mate in Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay.

Sipping the green sap, the old man recovered, gained new strengths and was able to resume their long journey toward meeting their kinsmen. They were received with the greatest joy. And the whole tribe adopted the habit of drinking the green herb, bitter and sweet, that gave strength and courage and would comfort friendships at the sad hours of utmost solitude.

Mate became the most common ingredient in household cures of the Guarani, and remains so to this day. In current practice in modern Argentina and Paraguay, Mate tea is made from the leaves steeped in hot water. Actually, a large quantity of ground leaf is first soaked in cold water, then the hot water is added, over and over again, until all the good stuff has been extracted. In between each addition of hot water the tea is ingested through a special wood or metal straw, called a bombilla, that filters out the leafy material. It is also used as a cold beverage.

[crystal sage]

To The Ends Of The Earth - Lost White Migrations

PART TWO : NORTH AMERICA , SECTION A

7000 BC - THE FIRST WHITES IN AMERICA

One of the most enigmatic of the lost great White migrations is the existence of Whites in North America from at least the year 7,000 BC. This stunning discovery is comparatively recent and has been backed up by the discovery of a number of skeletal remains and one mummy on that continent which show clear White racial traits, as opposed to the Amerind (American Indian) racial traits, which are Mongolian (Asiatic - the original homeland of the Amerind peoples).

It is beyond dispute that White tribes reached China - compared to the distances those Whites traveled, it would have been a relatively short hop across the rest of Asia to the Bering Straits (which divides Asia and North America) and then into the North American continent. This was exactly how the Amerinds got to North America; there is no reason why advanced groups of Whites could not have traveled this route even before the Amerinds.

It is equally possible that early Whites could have sailed from Western Europe, hugging the last ice pack along its coast line past present day Greenland - other evidence (reviewed below) supports this possibility.

SPIRIT CAVE MUMMY - USED DIAMOND PLAITED TEXTILE MATTING

In 1940, a body, which had become mummified above the waist, was unearthed in a cave called the Spirit Cave in the state of Nevada, USA. The mummified body was well preserved. Its scalp was complete, skin remained on the back and shoulders as well as a small tuft of straight dark hair, which changed to reddish-brown when exposed to light and air. The mummy had a bad back and had suffered, but survived, a skull fracture.

The Spirit Cave Mummy, Nevada, USA :

Physical Evidence of Whites in North America, 7000 BC.

Alongside: An artist's impression of the Spirit Cave Mummy at the time of its discovery. Discovered in 1940, but only analyzed racially in 1994, this 9,000 year old mummy was discovered in a cave in the modern day state of Nevada, USA. The skeletal structure is clearly that of a White male - putting Whites on that continent either prior to, or simultaneous with, the originally Mongoloid Amerind population.

Below: A reconstruction of the face of the Spirit Cave Mummy, based on a cast of the skull, showing the various stages used in the reconstruction process (As published in Newsweek, US edition, 26 April 1999). The Spirit Cave Mummy was the first - but not the last - ancient White remains found in America and has forced a rethink on exactly who are "Native Americans".

Other artifacts were discovered in the Spirit Cave: knives, baskets, and animal bones - 67 pieces in all. The mummy was found lying on a fur blanket dressed in a twisted skin robe with leather shoes on its feet and a twined mat sewn around its head and shoulders. A similar mat was wrapped around the lower portion of the body and bound under the feet. Woven bags and other everyday artifacts were found nearby. Two bags contained ashes and bone fragments of two other people who had been cremated.

The style of weaving used in the textiles is of an advanced form, known as diamond-plaited matting. The complex textiles in Spirit Cave demonstrate a degree of sophistication in material technology that rivaled any on the planet at the time, and the preservation of these textiles exceeds any of comparable age.

The mummy became known as the Spirit Cave Mummy, and was placed in the Nevada State Museum's storage facility for decades. Only in 1994 was the mummy "rediscovered" and the startling truth revealed: tests showed that the corpse was 9,400 years old - a 45-55 year old male - and, most importantly, not an ancestor of any modern Indian tribe.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr6b.htm

[crystal sage]

http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_sweeps_uk.htm

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Gerry Zeitlin interview

Charles Hall interview

“Sweeps” is the nickname of a atypical and amazing character, an American “ufologist” and radio animator living in Ireland . He is the first one who interviewed for the radio medium Charles Hall, the retired airman who worked between 65 to 67 at Nellis Air Force Base. Because of his unique position and view about the Area 51 and extraterrestrial subject, we thought at Karmapolis that “Sweeps” could be a very interesting witness to give us an opinion about the Tall Whites phenomenon and about the personality and credibility of Charles Hall. Have fun…

Karma One: Can you present yourself briefly to our readers?

Sweeps: Can I be brief? Don't know. OK. I was a former Agent...U.S. Army Security Agency (same as Gerry Zeitlin).

-Worked in Project Peace Hawk-Saudi Arabia-training Saudi Air Force on Top Security Base in Saudi outside of 'Taif'...where we identified UFO's on radar...and scrambled sorties after them time and time again.

-Founder and Field Readiness Coordinator; 'Royal Saudi Arabian Army COMBAT MEDICS '...before, during, and after Gulf War 1 'Desert Storm-

-I am a Teacher/educator-now teach at local secondary school-basic traditional Science subjects

-Am a Registered Professional Nurse, and worked in the United States as well as in many various world countries/settings. I've been a Nurse Supervisor for Mental Hospitals, Acute Care Units, Accident and Emergency Departments, Medical/Surgical Units, and certified in ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) as well as Emergency Medical Technology-EMT.

Author-different books-among them; 'Trying To Light The Match'- Kicking The One Reality Habit , and 'Introduction To Arabic Speaking'...which I used to teach Western Coalition Forces for 'Desert Storm'/Gulf War 1. Also wrote many technical Neurology, Seizure Disorder, Burns Unit Nursing manuals.

Was also the Duty Supervisor for ADT, in Dublin Ireland. It's the largest Private Security Company in the World, I was in charge of the ‘guarding' for major facilities such as ‘The Point', The RDS (Royal Dublin Society), The National Museum, and hundreds of other Prime locations in and around the Irish Capital.

Founder/editor/and PRO -'Irishufology Forum Outreach & Paranormal Studies'-6900 members world wide and about 15,000 associate members.

Web site: www.irishufology.net

People can E-mail me: foxman1@eircom.net

We do a 'Newsletter' monthly/articles/color/graphics, and are into our 6th year of publication for members, media, and friends

I do talks/lectures at Universities, run work shops, and organized 'Skywatch' groups to signal and look for UFO's. We video tape and make documentaries of UFO's photographed and videoed I had the pleasure of beening the subject for books, magazines, TV Documentaries, and newspapers. On TV and radio shows frequently talking/showing UFO's world wide and speaking with special reference on Paranormal and Reality views. Most currently, I am the Host of 'The Sweeps Fox Show', a local Irish and Internet radio program, will shortly start Streaming the Shows from out Web Site.

Karma One: You were the first radio show to interview Charles Hall. What where the reactions of your listeners and also viewers (because you edit a video version of the interview) toward the story of Charles?

Sweeps: Yes, ‘The Sweeps Fox Show'-Radio- was the 1 st /exclusive to AIR Charles Hall's ‘Tall Whites' interview for both a Local Irish and a Global Internet Audience. It was a wonderful experience to be able to do that and ‘get the message' out to the world…at last! It was the one everyone was waiting for. Actually, Paola Harris the investigative photo journalist was on top of the story a year before. ‘We' couldn't understand why she hadn't presented the story herself, since she had CONFIRMED all the aspects of it during her personal investigations and time with Charles Hall. I phoned her in Rome and told her we were going to AIR the story, and she was quite nice about having been asked in advance for her approval. Nexus magazine editor Duncan Rhodes was also quite an advocate of Charlie Hall and his 3 millennial books about his experiences with the Tall White ET's. while serving as an Airman in the U.S. Air Force in Nevada , U.S.A. I had established a good rapport, as well as good insights, with Charles and his wife Marie Therese which helped us present the books and the story in a very personal fashion for the broadcast.

As soon as we broadcast that show or web site was ‘hacked'. The ‘server' for our web site was taken off line by YAHOO. We had been with YAHOO for about 5 years…and all of a sudden we were given ‘the run a round' by them. Suddenly they ‘never heard of us'. We has ceased to exist…and were paid up for months ahead. Interesting huh? We had to go make a new web site with a better hosting policy. Next, our ‘Sister Station's servers were ‘knocked out'. But, our chief tech was able to locate where the ‘Zone of interference' was emanating from, and he quickly BLOCKED IT. The interference was coming from a location in the State of Washington in America …right next to the ‘Hanford Nuclear Facility'. Nice huh? We also issued a warning that if it happened again…we would knock out their entire ‘network'…and we would have. Our chief tech has the power and knowledge to do just that.

Karma One: According to Charles, the Tall Whites have a main base in Nellis, not very far away from Area 51 and Groom Lake . As far as you know, did the Tall whites interact with others races of alien, mainly the short greys who are supposed to have a base also in the area?

Sweeps : Well, Charlie was in an area on Nellis Air Force Base which kept him fairly isolated while doing his duty as the ‘weather man' for the base. He was left very much alone in order to carry out these duties, and his contact and then relationship with ‘The Tall White' ET's was not at all one whereby he could ask as many questions of them as he might have wanted to. In fact, his 1 st contact with them was quite traumatic and took him about 6 months to ‘get over' the fact that ‘they' did indeed exist…and were not from this planet. He went from abject fear and denial to a more gradual acceptance of the role he was to later develop with them. I don't believe, from what I know of conversations with Charlie and his wife, that he had any knowledge or contact with ‘Greys'.

Karma One : Did Charles explain to you if he seen other type of aliens or if he knew that other type of aliens lived in area 51?

Sweeps : Charlie speculated on that possibility with me, but he never admitted to seeing other types of ‘Aliens' on the base. One has to remember that he was quite young at the time and probably had enough to deal with just adjusting to the fact that ET's existed and were here. I'm sure that the idea of ‘other species' on or near the base wouldn't have crossed his mind until reflection years later. He did however talk about seeing and identifying a Nordic type of ET before he entered the Air Force. Could this have been a reason for him being selected in the first place to interact with another ‘species' while serving in the Air Force?

Karma One : Do you think that the Tall Whites is a widespread phenomenon, that one could find them in other parts of the world and where?

Sweeps : Interesting, and ironic that you should ask that question. It's also quite true that The Tall Whites had many ‘scout ships' landing at Nellis. Why would they have so many of them…if not for other exploration or other areas on this planet which they inhabit or use for some purpose. We are aware of a place in caves in the State of Illinois-U.S.A where they are also located…probably for a long time. My own interest in the Charles Hall experience was generated by the fascinating FACT that I myself had an encounter with one right here in Ireland . My wife knew of it, but I reasonably couldn't expect others to take my word for it. It's so ‘far out' of most people's experience, or they would never admit to it.

As for the ‘Tall White' I had seen here, I'd told Charlie Hall the story. He wasn't the least bit surprised, and even gave a reason for why ‘it' might have been so interested in ‘going through my garbage bin. That's where I encountered it. And that would be a whole other story too.

Karma One : The Tall Whites were the first to be at Nellis. Do you know if the Air Force has some problems when they build their huge installation in Nellis (Different gunnery range test sites, black projects test sites etc.)

Sweeps : I don't think ‘we' can say that ‘The Tall Whites' were the first at Nellis Air Force Base. We do know from Charlie's ‘tellings' that they had been there maybe centuries ago. There is a very clandestine history there, dating back at least 50 years or more. More things will be coming out, but at this point we are still investigating with many others. Many very forthright and ‘Disclosure Project' type people however, are saying that the whole region inclusive of Groom and Papoose Lake…and all the vast underground facilities, actually serves as an ‘Ambassadorial Reception Center' for many Alien species as well as for exchange technology. I'm confident that the building of Area 51 and adjacent areas will be found to have been ‘planned' along with ET ‘committees' and decision making after contact with the U.S. and other governments and ‘black projects'.

Karma One: In your investigations, are you able to cross the story of Charles with the testimony of others witnesses ?

Sweeps : Good question! Corroboration is always most helpful, in fact a vital part of exacting veracity/proof of ‘what happened'. In too many cases, ‘encounters' or the like have been disbelieved or unresolved simply because they happened without witnesses to a solitary person. Yes, in Charlie Hall's case, witnesses are ‘coming forth' after being tracked down due to the number of years that have passed. There are indeed people who worked at Nellis with Charlie or around the same time period. In fact, many have been found and seem willing to substantiate Charlie's claims…and of course their own now since it's all more or less ‘out in the open now'. They will be the subject of our further ‘Sweeps Fox Show' on the matter. So, their identities and whereabouts must be closely guarded at this point. But, look forward to it. They also have interesting new aspects which they will want to share about ‘that' experience.

Karma One : In your work, you read a lot of stories about aliens. What is the originality of the story about the Tall Whites?

Sweeps: By ‘originality' do you mean different? If so, yes it brings a whole new ‘feeling' to our understanding of ‘ALIEN' and this species in particular. The ‘Tall Whites' have family values and love of each other, have a division of labor much like ourselves, look very much ‘Humanoid' disguising themselves to look like us quite easily, and have been interacting and ‘walking among us' for centuries without causing a stir or bother to ‘humankind'.

Karma One : Why the Tall Whites came to earth? Are they interested by human beings and why?

Sweeps : Intelligent life seeks out other intelligent life. But, also Earth is a ‘way stations'…a place to repair, refuel, and enjoy. It's a beautiful planet on the far end of one of the ‘ Milky Ways ' spiral arms. Wouldn't you come here if in similar circumstances to other ET species? Perhaps ‘they' are not really interested in us as a species…except to study or amuse themselves with. After all, Charlie Hall was like a sacrificial lamb to them. Yes he wasn't hurt MUCH, but he was subject to their ‘mind games' and technology at times. And ‘ the big American generals' simply allowed the ‘Tall Whites' to do what they wanted…an experiment with Charlie? Other Airmen, in Charlie's place, had met with injury and severe mal-treatment. So, here you have the American big boys playing once again with the lives of ‘ordinary people'…and didn't care. Charlie was plain lucky!

Karma One : Why Charles Halls didn't get apparently in trouble by revealing to the attention of the general public the existence of the Tall Whites? Do you know if Charles was finally the subject of pressures or threats from the Air Force or the Government?

Sweeps : This question has a lot of well pointed possibilities. We' know' that the government and its' ‘black operations' boys and girls, have been looking at a way to ‘wiggle off the hook' of the BIG LIE told to the world. They've been trying to figure out the best way to let people know of the existence of UFO's and ET's…which they have tried so hard to keep people from knowing about all these years ‘in modern times'. But also, they don't want to be looked at as ‘the bad guys'…or have to leave town. And, they still want to be in full control when the issue is ‘leaked' or ‘let out' to the public…which inevitably it will have to be. In Charlie's case, perhaps it's a ‘test run'…to see how people accept it from his story. It could be part of a coordinated long plan to acclimate the world's people to the FACT that yes…UFO's and ET's exist, have been here in our histories, and are here now.

Karma One : In the field of the UFO specialists and conspiracy theories authors, how those people react toward the content of the story of Charles? Skeptical, cynical, indifference or a open minded attention?

Sweeps : Many now are finding Charlie Hall a ‘rallying point'. They have been impressed with the way he has disclosed his interaction with The Tall White ET's. He told it as a ‘regular guy', very straight forward as an ordinary person would, and came across as highly believable in ‘a matter of fact' type of story telling about his adventures with them.

Karma One : Do you have any information about the agreement , the Tall Whites concluded with the US Air Force?

Sweeps: My sources tell me, and I trust them, that ‘The Tall Whites' control the situation totally. The U.S. Air Force has nothing to say about it. In fact, they never got anything really usable from these ET's…in exchange technology or any REAL Space related information. Government officials, black operations people, and some military figures, had ‘rides' on their space scout ships…but were not giving them access to their ‘Deep Space Craft' or their agendas here. Make no mistake, this planet Earth has already been fully infiltrated and ‘taken over' in many ways. While the ET's of many species still basically follow the much talked about ‘prime directive' of non-interference, they do nevertheless oversee everything staying in the background. What exactly that means…is still to come.

Karma One : Let's talk about Area 51. What credibility do you give to the Branton Files and the Omega Files, this huge volume of information about the installation of the Short Greys in Area 51, their occult agenda and the enormous underground installation?

Sweeps : My comment on this question is to ask a question. How much real power do the ‘Greys' have among the other groups/species which are here? I don't believe that they are all working together. I think they tolerate each other to a degree, but I'm convinced from my own group consultants that there exists a hierarchy higher then the little ‘POOP ‘Greys'.

Karma One : When we read the general literature about abduction but also some books like the books of the Montauk "team" (Swerdlow, Peter Moon, Preston Nichols), many races of extraterrestrial are currently involved in activities on earth? How many? What are their goal?

Sweeps : I remember in my Army intelligence duties discussing just this very question in closed meetings. We were aware, and this goes back about 20 years, of about 54 different species which were fairly well established. Any statement like this will be and has been discredited, and the people making these remarks made to look like fools or outright delusional. It doesn't matter. I always say, when asked if I really believe this, ‘Knowing is a lot better than just believing'. Now, out of the ‘dis-information' business, myself and many of my consultants agree that we may be looking at over 102 recognized species on this planet. Some are here long periods, have been here, or simply come and go. People as I, formerly in United States Services, are more fortunate than those of other countries. Our ‘security oath' only lasts for 20 years, not to talk about ‘things one has learned' until that time period is up. In Britain and many other countries they have a lifelong fettering to a ‘State Secrets Act', or something like it. It would be difficult for ANY of us to say definitively what ET's goals might be. We are really not privy to their cultures or their basic psychologies. Mostly we are left to use ‘Epistemology'…'ways of knowing' things. We have to look closely at ‘their' actions and try to extrapolate what they could mean. We are still ‘listening and learning', and always require more input and analysis. We keep in mind, that this is a BIG Universe…even the physical one we think we know, and that there are ‘goodies' and baddies'.

Karma One : Have you been yourself the "victim" of strange encounters with UFO and alien? Have you been the victim of abduction?

Sweeps : I will have to make a long story short, for this interview. Our experience in Ireland with ET's and their ‘different' craft began after I returned from the ‘Desert Storm' assignment, training the Saudi troops. It was unexpected, even though in my various capacities, I'd seen UFO's in many parts of the world and had very uncommon experiences with them and their occupants. Our whole family was involved in a series of ‘Skywatching' and signaling right around our home here, starting in 1999. It started simply as a ‘together' leisure family activity, after I'd noticed UFO's in the night sky for a few weeks. I do, of course, know the difference between satellites, aircraft, aerial/visual anomalies, ‘trick' of light, and REAL ‘unknowns'. There are over 4,000 satellites circling the planet, but they are on predictable orbits and only about one-quarter of them are still really functioning. We know where and when to expect satellites to be seen. There is a manual which scientists, astronomers, and Ufologist use. It's called ‘The Ephemeris', and denotes the flight path of ALL satellites. So, I was quite excited that we were having UFO's in Ireland , and we started to signal and video them. We were all pleasantly surprised when ‘they' flew back and forth over the house…signaling back, or hovering for awhile and then ‘shooting off'. And, sometimes they would come over head and simply ‘blink out'…disappear! They would also affect our electricity in many strange ways. The signaling halogen lamp would go out and then come back on, house lights would do the same, TV channels would start switching from station to station in various rooms in the house, the car's engine would stop and then start again, and the phones would start ringing with no one on the lines. But one of the oddest things was that E-mails would ‘start sending themselves'. ‘They' seemed to be able to start dialing my E-mail connection and try to send messages. I have such an incident on video. We did never really get a message, just that the dialing would be noticed.

There were many things, which most people without such experiences would find totally unacceptable or even insane according to their ‘one world view'. That is; what most people ‘think' Reality is. One night during a ‘typical' skywatch, when there was a lot of activity. One of my daughters was ‘struck'. She was out with me watching ‘the passing parade over head' and very suddenly she feel to the ground. She had both legs paralyzed, and had to be carried into the house. She had no feeling in either leg, and could not move them. As Nurses, my wife and I gave her every test available for ‘feeling' and movement. She was also left with reddened ‘diamond' shaped marks on her upper thighs, which lasted for months. Sensation started to return later in the evening. It was a temporary condition. But for what purpose? We have that entire incident on video-infra red. That's a whole other story!

Only a few years ago, one would be thought of as ‘crazy' if they talked about telepathy and thought transfer without speaking. No days, people are speaking more freely about it. And major government and military programs have such research and investigations in place. Well at the risk of ridicule, a tactic of character assassination used by ‘The Black Opts' groups, I will tell you quit outright that I've had telepathic contacts with ET's. Many of these were written up in Magazines and newspapers, mainly because the information given to me was ‘right on' and provable. Generally, I would be ‘told' telepathically to go outside ‘Now' or in a few minutes. By following this prompting, I would be outside at just the right time to view a UFO and even video some of them. There are many stories-incidents which occurred, but too long for this interview. I talked about many of them at a lecture to students at UCD-University College Dublin a year or so ago. They were enthralled, and not the least bit ‘put off' by the concept. Things are changing. I really believe now that ‘the kids' are ready for all of this. They've been brought up with a lot of this, which has created a restless curiosity and interest in both ET's and the paranormal.

Karma One :Your country, Ireland , is quite known for a tradition with fairy creatures and tales? Is it the same about UFO and alien, meaning that Ireland could be a good site for close encounters with aliens and UFOs? If yes, why? And is there any peculiar sites in Ireland that are the subjects of strange manifestations (some kind of local Montauk, Area 51 site) ?

Sweeps : I imagine all countries and cultures, going way back into pre-history, have their myths and legends of ‘Gods from the sky', strange creatures which arrived and then left, ‘magical protected' places, unaccountable ‘constructions', ‘flying machines', great teachers, great weapons and battles between non-human races, and even cross breeding with humans by beings who were separate and different from us. These are among the same type of tales in Ireland . The ‘Tu teta Danan' were said to be a ‘space race'. They came from the skies and returned to the skies. Cuchulain, a hero in Irish mythology, had weapons which ‘hissed' and trailed fire and could find the enemy even in caves. Sounds like some kind of tracking-homing weapon. He had many other weapons which sound quite like ‘modern or space age technology'. There were also ‘people' who flew in ‘Enchanted Chariots', even up to and beyond the skies to the ‘Palace of the Gods'. Their ‘crafts' were well described by ancient traditions, of metal and glass, and had all the appearances of oval or flying discs. Yes the Fairy tales in Ireland , similar to those of Britain and Scotland , are still talked about and truly believed by many here. Many people have older relatives who recall ‘hearing the fairies playing their music and dancing' in the woods or fields. Some people still volunteer ‘seeing' the fairies or a Leprechaun. They are said to be in a side dimension, and only certain people can interact with or see them. The very ‘queer' thing, is that even now little children often report, quite unconcerned by what adults might think, that they have ‘played' with fairy creatures. They describe them as fun loving, flying and darting about, and with transparent wings. They are sometimes said to be very mischievous and play trick on humans, according to many accounts. But, they are said to be very fond of Nature and quick to be upset if humans try to interfere with Natural things and the environment. Are such things ‘real'. Why not? We are just beginning the finding out, that ‘we' don't know the first thing about ‘Reality'. I keep an opened mind.

As for UFO's in Ireland , since it's a ‘global happening' of course UFO's and their occupants visit here. One can not speak of it being a phenomenon anymore, because it's happening all over the world on a daily basis. Many of the sighting in Ireland , as elsewhere, happen along the ‘LEY LINES'…magnetic tracts in the ground. Scientists themselves have only recently verified that such ‘power tracts' do indeed exist. They actually criss cross the entire Earth. We have such ‘Lines' crossing here around our home, which may be one reason for so many sightings. Castle Leslie is in the very same Ley Line area, just down the road from us. The Monaghan area where we live does seem to have a preponderance of ‘sightings'. Further, Ireland has over 12,000 megalithic sites, which also seems to produce strange ‘feelings' in people and are sites where many people claim to see ‘ghosts' and apparitions. In our area is a group of old homes called Dunna Row. The last man living in those ancient homes has recently died. But, in the past, before someone would die at Dunna Row a glowing ‘craft' would appear days before. It's been witnessed time and time again over the years. These are things much more than legend. They have been seen by multiple witnesses up to and including ‘modern times'.

Karma One :What do you think about the hypothesis from people like David Icke, Branton, Swerdlow etc. who think that our universe is manipulated by extraterrestrial or reptilian entities? Do you think that our world is manipulated by the Illuminati, the reptilian bloodlines or do you believe that the alien phenomenon is much wider than this plausible manipulation?

Sweeps : One can only imagine the profusion of ‘influences' on us here on Planet Earth. David Icke and the others you've mentioned, often go ‘far a field' and are down right ‘silly'. Their ‘Cosmos Conceptions' can sometimes read like the ‘tabloid press' or ‘The examiner' type newspapers and magazines. Many of their ‘conspiracy theories' are actually based on dubious investigations or claimed informants from ‘secret clubs' or organizations. Most of these groups are nothing more than ‘old school ties', or vested interest groups which ‘hang together' for their own economic and social engineering agendas. That doesn't mean they can't do damage to ‘the little guy' or bring about chaos and globalization in their own interests. Such ‘hidden' factions cum ‘secret organizations', can indeed be ‘power brokers' and manipulate world markets or cause wars and disruption to civil liberties. They, in that regard, are to be considered criminals and agents of control. They are akin to many of our social/cultural institutions, which work hand in glove with each other to keep people dumbed down so as to not upset the ‘one world view' which ‘they' have us sealed in to. An example would be government and religion working together. Basically ‘they' want people to be ‘working units', pay taxes, be consumers, don't step out of line, believe the social myths and lies they are fed, and not advance to the second stage of thinking…which is to start to question things they have been taught not to question. We start to learn by imitating others. It's simply mimicry, and most people never get out of that stage. Look around, people are followers doing things everyone else is doing. ‘They' certainly don't want a bunch of ‘free thinkers' running around. First of all there would be no Religion. There can't be a religious institution with free thinkers. People have to be instilled with fear, told they need intermediaries and guides, and that all the questions have already been answered for them. As I'm wont of saying; ‘No organized institutional religion serves the spiritual needs of humankind. They serve themselves.' That's also why ‘drugs' used in the right way are such a threat to the establishment. Drugs stop social conformity, opens people up to Eureka experiences, and ends forever programmed conditioning. People start behaving as anarchists. Anarchists don't really go around with bombs destroying things. They just want to be left alone to govern themselves. This can't be allowed. Such people see life differently and want to enjoy internal freedom and exploration. They look at life as art, to be able to be free and express themselves without controls. This is not permitted in our cultures, to look at life that way. So, most people become or remain as ‘sheeple'. This is the real fight in life. To fight ‘ordinariness' and ‘do your own thing'.

Karma One :Do you think that the mentality of the general public has changed toward the UFO and alien subjects?

Sweeps: Sure, in some senses. If a UFO landed in a big crowd or public place, they would at least now say ‘oh, there's a flying saucer'. They've become familiar enough through movies, videos on the subject, and books etc. with what that means. But, the big answer is far more reaching. Most people ‘don't want to know', unless it effects their day to day existence itself!

Karma One :We saw that you were interviewed by the BBC. Have you been ostracized by the mainstream media about the nature of your work and your general approach of "abnormalities", UFOs and "paranormal subjects"?

Sweeps : You must understand that we are all ostracized by ‘media'. Most people don't realize that media, especially aired major media-TV, CABLE, AND RADIO-are all owned. Owned media groups serves up their own agenda and vested interests, be it government or private consortiums. The programming is essentially mediocre and inconsequential in its' offerings. It's one of the prime ways of keeping people ‘dumbed down'. They present ‘a hall of mirrors' making your choices for entertainment, sports, and learning, seem bigger than they really are. My recent BBC ‘interview' was a case in point…an object lesson. I got in a few good points with Sir Patrick Moore the astronomer, but was cut in to repeatedly by the fast talking ‘put down' host of the show before I could conclude or expand the points. He never gave my proper title or background material, which he had asked for before the show. Never gave me time to get in the web site or E-mail address, and then ‘cut me off' in mid flow. I happen to know that ‘Sir' Patrick Moore is ‘in the closet' about UFO's and ET's…because of my association with Desmond Leslie , who was a good friend of Patrick. Revealing this would have cast aspirations and doubt on his scientific agenda reputation and affect his job with BBC. This was not an interview; it was a protection of their ‘policies'. Of course, there was no fairness to be accorded me in a ‘debate' with one of their own.

Those are reasons for doing my own ‘Sweeps' Fox Shows. We present the news which is withheld from people. The too hot to handle or comment on news, and the controversial but vital issues which impinge on an understanding of things effecting people's futures. We tell it ‘like it is'. We tell it without the ‘one reality' filters people are use to. We take off the ‘blinders', and hope to raise questions about what we are told or permitted to know…all in order to raise individual consciousness about what ‘Reality' really is. Most media have policies which are tied to vested interest groups, the government rules, or editorial control, and bias philosophies by their owners or stock holders. We are not socially mundane, nor mere ‘readers' or presentors. We are though, provocative and unique in the interests of all humankind and the environment. By environment we mean the bio-sphere as well as the atmosphere of ‘freedom'. We try to be that voice of freedom, away from old entrenched ideas from establishment pressures to conform, and from outdated ‘war on people'. We don't wear suits, do ‘spam' consumer advertising, and we don't cater to bureaucracies …or the ‘norm'.

[cubsfan7]

crystal r u trying to say that these ppl believed in aliens cuz its to long to read *thinks about when he read the krill papers* **pointless?**

[+DieChecker]

I wonder if these people were related to those who built the statues on Easter Island? Supposedly there were tall lightly colored people there when the Polynisian peoples arrived. They had a strange alphabet that was left on some of the stones there.

I've read where the Easter Island statues are more comparable to a European facial type then a Polynisian facial type. It has been suggested that perhaps a lost tribe of Scandinavians somehow formed a colony there.

[crystal sage]

crystal r u trying to say that these ppl believed in aliens cuz its to long to read *thinks about when he read the krill papers* **pointless?**

here's another interesting theory.....

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/blacked_out...h_whitewash.htm

Interestingly, the ancient Egyptians recorded the Tamahu, which means created white people. Egyptian writings also refer to whites as Typhonians or People of Seth, both meaning “the devils.” After these “white devils” were first released into the Black community of the Near East 6000 years ago, they caused sever strife, thus the Africans rounded them up, stripped them of everything and exiled them to the caves and hills of the Caucasus Mountains. This explains the sudden appearance of white people in this region. To prevent their escaping Africans installed a series of guarded walls blocking all exits along that area from one sea to the other!

Thus “roping” them off (hence the word Europe). These walls have been witnessed and recorded by many European writers, including Pliny. Thus, totally cut off from civilization, the whites degenerated into uncivilized, nomadic savages. They remained this way for 2000 years until ‘Allah mercifully sent an Egyptian priest named Musa or Moses to civilize them.’

This explains the otherwise unknown reason why suddenly about 2000 B.C., vast hordes of these white barbarians left the Caucasus region and stormed all the (Black) centers of civilizations throughout Mesopotamia, the Near East, Africa and India, destroying and usurping them. Thus, the Whiteman’s arrival signaled destruction for all these civilizations and the beginning of the Whiteman’s rise to power.

Whites proclaim their origin is Greek. Whites can avoid confronting the true meaning of skin whiteness as a mutation and genetic deficiency state from the Black norm - the ‘hue-man’ norm’... Deep within the unconscious psyche of the white collective is an awareness; of their origin amongst Blacks, that Blacks were their parents and that they (whites) were the offspring of Blacks who suffered from the skin condition of Albinism.”

[crystal sage]

I wonder if these people were related to those who built the statues on Easter Island? Supposedly there were tall lightly colored people there when the Polynisian peoples arrived. They had a strange alphabet that was left on some of the stones there.

I've read where the Easter Island statues are more comparable to a European facial type then a Polynisian facial type. It has been suggested that perhaps a lost tribe of Scandinavians somehow formed a colony there.

The people of Polynesia claim that they are descended from a white chief-god named Tiki who is the son of the sun, that he is the original founder of their race. The natives of the Pacific islands also have historic legends regarding Tiki's life in Peru that are identical to those of the Inca's Virakocha and contain details of the ancient names of places around Lake Titicaca. They also say that before, they lived in a big country beyond the sea.

When the Europeans first came to the Pacific islands, they were astonished that they found many of the natives to have almost white skins and beards. There were whole families that had pale skin, hair varying in color from reddish to blonde, and almost Semitic, hook-nosed faces. In contrast, most of the Polynesians had golden-brown skin, raven-black hair, and rather flat, pulpy noses. The red-haired natives called themselves urukehu and claimed that they were directly descended from the first chiefs on the islandsâ€"the "white gods" such as Tangaroa, Kane, and Tiki. When Roggeveen first discovered Easter Island in 1722, he noticed that many of the natives were white-skinned. They could count their ancestors who were white-skinned right back to the time of Tiki and Hotu Matua, when they first came sailing across the sea "from a mountainous land in the east which was scorched by the sun."

Heyerdahl proposed that Tiki's Stone Age people colonized the then-uninhabited Polynesian islands as far north as Hawaii, as far south as New Zealand, as far east as Easter Island, and as far west as Samoa around A.D. 500. They supposedly sailed from Peru to the Polynesian islands on pae-paesâ€"large rafts built from balsa logs, complete with sails and each with a small cottage. They built enormous stone statues carved in the image of human beings on Pitcairn, the Marquesas, and Easter Island that exactly resembled those in Peru. They also built huge pyramids on Tahiti and Samoa with steps like those in Peru. But all over Polynesia, Heyerdahl found indications that Tiki's peaceable race had not been able to hold the islands alone for long. He found evidence that suggested that seagoing war canoes as large as Viking ships and lashed together two and two had brought Stone Age Northwest American Indians to Polynesia around A.D. 1100, and they mingled with Tiki's people. Genetic research has found that modern-day Polynesians, however, are more closely related to Southeast Asians than to American Indians.

http://experts.about.com/e/t/ti/Tiki.htm

http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/chile/easter_island.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/thor-heyerdahl

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Keltic Exploration?

Uncovering The Secrets Of Easter Island

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1083.html

[crystal sage]

Events that unfolded in Peru that led to the exodus of red heads into the Pacific can be read in the ancient Rongo Rongo text of Easter Island which was successfully deciphered in 1892 by Dr A Carroll and describes the ancient history of Peru. It names the many tribes of Peru and their relationships with each other, their allies, their enemies and the wars fought that led up to the final exodus of the Puruha and Cha-Rapa people into the Pacific. His decipherment contains detailed information that would not have been available to him, unless he was reading it from an ancient source. Unfortunately, because this text did not say what the scientists wanted to hear, his valuable work and the Rongo Rongo text was ignored. Interestingly it mentions wars with people who arrived in ships from down the Pacific coast that caused the exodus of the Charapa people into the Pacific. These invaders were related to the Maya, and eventually became the Huari and the Incas. Ironicly these people were distantly related to Polynesians as their genes indicate that they too came from Taiwan 6,000 years ago.

Then in a stroke of misguided genius, Robert Langdon in his book ‘The Lost Caravel Revisited' decided that these red head genes must have been from the San Lesmes, shipwrecked in 1526. He found the island where it was wrecked and the chief took him to the site where four cannons were observed. The chief informed him that the natives had killed and eaten them, not one survived. This did not deter Langdon's investigations, and he proceeded to find not one skerrick of Spanish culture or language amongst the Polynesians. Easter Island was 1,000km upwind and against the current from the shipwreck site. He made no explanation why the shipwrecked sailors chose Easter Island or why they dropped their Catholic faith in favor of an ancient sun worshipping culture, why they decided to elongate their ears or how they were able to commission the natives to make red haired stone idols in their likeness 500 years before they even arrived on the island. Despite this, he continued to assert that Caucasian features in the Pacific were from a 16th century wreck and he wrote a book. Scientists nodded with vacant approval at Langdons lame and unsubstantiated claims. One scientist went on to suggest that the ancient Rongo Rongo script was merely idle doodling by natives attempting to mimic Spanish writing. Another misguided scientist is now claiming Portuguese credit for bringing Kumera (sweet potato) to Polynesia from South America, despite the detailed Polynesian legends and ancient carvings depicting an ancestral Kumera god. Another concluded that the skulls in the Easter Island burial chambers (Tulllpa) were put there to encourage the chickens, now living in the ruins to lay bigger eggs! The most recent scientific article verging on the ridiculous is suggesting that there were no obsidian traders in the Pacific, but it merely arrived on islands embedded in pumice stone. This would have entailed an upcurrent drift from the parent volcano. From the size of some obsidian axes, the core from which it was struck would have been over 20cm diameter. This would suggest that the size of pumice required to float such a rock would have to be almost 1metre in diameter! Personally I have never seen pumice greater than 200mm dia - a rare find at that! These narrow-minded expositions are tainted with so much Euro-centricity and ignorance that it makes one cringe.

Getting back to a more productive line of thinking, Thor Heyerdahl believed the Sun worshipping, long Eared maritime traders of the Maldives had something to do with the Easter Islanders, He had noticed that the sun worshipping Harappa civilization was using money cowries obtained from the Maldives for currency. He also noticed that the ancient Harappa civilization was the only culture in the world to use a script similar to the one used by the Cha-Rapa people of Easter Island.

He even found that the Cha-Rapa people of Charcha Poya in Peru made carvings extremely similar in character to the Easter Island statues. This was obviously an area that required further investigation.

try and understand who these ancient Caucasians were, geneticist E. Gomez-Casado found that Basque genes of Spain were part of an ancient Caucasian gene pool that included the blonde haired Berbers of Morrocco, the Tuareg, Egyptians, Minoans, Palestinians, Israelis, Lebanese, Kurds, Turks and as far East as Iran. The racial purity of these people 3,500 years ago would obviously have been much greater than it is today. This makes the possibility that people with Berber genes came from Harappa not so outrageous after all. Interestingly the red haired Phoenicians and Celts, two great seafaring nations that commanded the Atlantic Ocean were also from this gene pool. Haplotype X in North America is also part of this gene pool. Interestingly genetics shows this branch of Europeans left Europe 13,000 years ago, some say they lived in the Sahara, but then why are all their descendants such good mariners? Genetics shows the Celtic branch of red heads returned to Europe after a complete absence of 7,000 years. They most likely arrived in Europe via the Gulf Stream from either North America or the now submerged Grand Bahama Banks where numerous floors remain to be discovered under the shifting sands - the only evidence of this once great flourishing sea port that was wiped out by a Tsunami. Mayan history confirms that 'The Age of the Red heads' ended about 6,000 years ago.

http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/Geneticsrewrit...cprehistory.htm

Edited October 12, 2006 by crystal sage

[cubsfan7]

nice find crystal sage it really helps explan this stuff...lol son of the sun

[crystal sage]

nice find crystal sage it really helps explan this stuff...lol son of the sun

http://www.greatdreams.com/thor.htm

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0016-7398...%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6

The first settlers reached Peru some 20,000 years ago. They brought stone tools and were hunter-gatherers, living off game and fruit. Some of them settled in Paccaicasa, Ayacucho. The most ancient Peruvian skeletal remains found to date (7000 BC) show the ancient settlers had broad faces, pointed heads and stood 1.60 meters tall. The early Peruvians left examples of cave paintings at Toquepala (Tacna, 7600 BC) and houses in Chilca (Lima, 5800 BC).

The process of domesticating plants was to lay the foundations for organized agriculture and the construction of villages and ceremonial sites. As the regional cultures gradually integrated, new techniques surfaced such as textile weaving, metallurgy and jewelsmithy, giving rise to advanced cultures.

Edited October 24, 2006 by crystal sage

[Unreality]

He mentions in particular certain individuals in present day Peru who were White and had red hair.

OH NO! GINGERS!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...eoid=2013752890

http://www.gingerkids.org/

[jaylemurph]

The conquistador, Pedro Pizarro, reported in his account of the great Spanish invasion of South America in the 1500s, that while the masses of Andes Indians were small and dark, the members of the ruling Inca family were tall and had whiter skins than the Spaniards themselves. He mentions in particular certain individuals in present day Peru who were White and had red hair. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 351).

SNIP

I assume you mean Fransisco Pizarro?

Why should we believe your flights of fancy when you (or your 'sources') can't even get simple, well-known historical names correct?

--Jaylemurph

[Owlscrying]

very fascinating indeed -

kept me thinking of the "cliff dwellers" of mesa verde -

most excellent read harks-thank-you ♥

[Emma_Acid]

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr6d.htm

Crystal, I hope you realise that Stormfront is a rascist white-supremacist site? Probably not the best to get references about racial history from. To quote their own website: "all civilizations rise and fall according to their racial homogeneity and nothing else - a nation can survive wars, defeats, natural catastrophes, but not racial dissolution."

Hmmmm......

Edited March 30, 2007 by Emma_Acid_88

[crystal sage]

Wow this site is looking really... different...

I know there was a White Cloud people thread here somewhere started recently..,but this is the only one that came up...

Ancient city discovered deep in Amazonian rainforest linked to the legendary white-skinned Cloud People of Peru

Found this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1091550/Ancient-city-discovered-deep-Amazonian-rainforest-linked-legendary-white-skinned-Cloud-People-Peru.html

which I thought worth sharing...

these cliff side constructions look similar to those amazing Petra cliff side dwellings...

http://photos.igougo.com/pictures-photos-p360727-Cliff_Dwellings_in_Petra.html

Edited August 22, 2009 by crystal sage

[Abramelin]

Being 'lighter skinned' or 'white' is no surprize and has nothing to do with the Chachapoyas being Caucasians.

The Inca princesses were also known for being light skinned. They kept them inside as much as possible so they would not get a tan; being lightskinned was a sign of beauty.

Anyone who ever travelled through the Amzonian rainforest will know that many natives are light skinned (with black hair and black/brown eyes). The canopy of trees is so dense not much sonlight reaches the bottom of the jungle.