Danish TV shows cartoons...

[Saint Macabre]

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Danish state TV on Friday aired amateur video footage showing young members of the anti-immigrant Danish Peoples' party engaged in a competition to draw humiliating cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

The video images have surfaced little more than a year after a Danish paper published cartoons of the Prophet that sparked violent protests worldwide.

The images, filmed by artist Martin Rosengaard Knudsen who posed as a member of the party for several months to document attitudes among young members, show a number of young people drinking, singing and drawing cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad.

The faces of the young people were blurred in most of the footage. One cartoon appeared to depict the Prophet Mohammad as a camel, urinating and drinking beer. The competition took place in early August, according to Danish media.

Another cartoon strip aired in the partly masked footage on state TV seemed to show the prophet Mohammad surrounded by beer bottles and included an image of an explosion.

Members of the youth wings of other parties, including the ruling Liberal party, criticized the DPP on Friday. Kenneth Kristensen, a senior member of the DPP's youth movement, also criticized the events, but stopped short of apologizing.

"It's not my kind of humor and it would not have happened if I had been there. It must not be repeated," he told Danish state TV.

The Danish Peoples' Party rose to prominence in a 2001 election on a platform that combines emphasis on increased spending on schools and care for the elderly with a strong anti-immigrant stance.

It has been accused of racism, but has been a political ally of the center-right coalition led by Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen since 2001 and gained more than 13 percent of the vote in an election last year.

In September last year Danish daily Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons, including one showing the Prophet Mohammad with a bomb in his turban. They were later reprinted elsewhere. Muslim clerics denounced them as blasphemous, sparking protests in which more than 50 people died in Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

Most Muslims regard any depiction of the Prophet Mohammad as offensive

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Instigators...

Don't we have enough on our plate without this Danish provocation?...

[Cinders]

Well.. no matter what, someone or something will tick them off one way or another.

Some really need to lighten up.. but I agree, don't go over and above to p*** them off either. But it seems like EVERYONE is having to walk on "egg shells" with them.

They aren't earning respect.. they are threatening and killing to get it.. and that just doesn't work. At least with me it doesn't.

Anyway, I accidently ran into this one website

Events Related To Muhammad

It dates back to 2002 -- I can't believe this one under Week of November 26 2002:

"More than 200 people were killed in rioting by Nigerian Muslims opposed to the Miss World pageant after a newspaper suggested that the Prophet Muhammad would have married one of the contestants if he were alive today. Churches in Kaduna were burned and armed youths attacked people suspected of being Christian; the local governor threatened to shoot rioters on sight. » " (you can click on the >> on the site to read more on the reports they have listed there)

LINK

Edited October 7, 2006 by Cinders

[__Kratos__]

I've seen Jesus in many many many many many awful and 'wrong' things and it's accepted to a point but no where goes to the level those cartoons 'made' Muslims do.

If they don't like them...

They can cry us an entire river and build a massive bridge to GET OVER IT!!!

Edited October 7, 2006 by __Kratos__

[__Kratos__]

Update: Egyptian group decries 'Danish insults'

CAIRO, Egypt - Egypt's largest Islamic group, the Muslim Brotherhood, denounced on Saturday what it called "new Danish insults" to Islam a day after word spread about a Web video showing young members of a populist Danish political party mocking the Prophet Muhammad.

The Brotherhood, which enjoys wide popularity in Egypt and the Arab World, urged Muslims to boycott products from Denmark and any other country that would allow such an "insult."

The story, first reported by the Danish daily newspaper Nyhedsavisen on Friday, came in the aftermath of violent protests after 12 drawings of the Prophet Muhammad were published last year by another Danish newspaper.

Video clips of a drawing contest among the young politicians, in their 20s and 30s, were posted on some Web sites after the annual Aug. 4-6 camp. In the videos, it appeared that they had been drinking. Nearly all of the approximately 30 people shown in the videos had their faces blurred, but the images they drew were clearly visible.

In one, a woman presents a drawing of a camel, adding that it has "the head of Muhammad" and beer bottles as humps. The group laughs as the woman, who was not identified, explained the drawing.

"Muslims are shocked by this new Danish insult," the Muslim Brotherhood said in a statement. It described the drawing as "the ugliest for God's most honorable human being, peace be upon him."

In September 2005, the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten printed drawings of the Prophet Muhammad. Four months later, they were reprinted in a range of Western media, triggering fierce protests across the Muslim world that included the storming of some western embassies.

Kenneth Kristensen, chairman of the Danish People's Party Youth which is known for its anti-immigration stance, refused to apologize Friday for the actions of its members, but acknowledged they were problematic.

"I regret that they decided to organize the drawing contest. They must take responsibility for it," said Kristensen, who did not attend the camp.

But he added that he believed it was "OK to poke fun at Muhammad, Jesus or Bill Clinton."

Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depiction of the prophet for fear it could lead to idolatry.

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Why is their religion more important then freedom?

[Saint Macabre]

The Brotherhood, which enjoys wide popularity in Egypt and the Arab World, urged Muslims to boycott products from Denmark and any other country that would allow such an "insult."

Hmmm...no mention of violence...let's hope that's all that happens...

But he added that he believed it was "OK to poke fun at Muhammad, Jesus or Bill Clinton."

Whoa, since when Clinton join the ranks of the holy?...

I don't like it when Jesus is an object of ridicule, but we're told to be angry and sin not...

[Michelle]

"fierce protests" and"storming of some western embassies" does sound like violence to me.

[Mr Slayer]

Sigh...

As a Swede, I can confirm the Danish society (and media, and politics) being overall racist. Especially toward the muslim populace.

Criticising is one thing.

Provocation and disrespect only deserves anti-reactions. People know muslims do not allow Mohammed to be depicted. What is it that makes West utter things like the cartoons despite that knowledge?

If that's not provocation, then I do not know what is. I have seen the cartoons, and I don't understand where the "cartoon" part is. I can only see mockery in terms of caricatures.

Just because one doesn't understand something (muslim traditions and norms) doesn't mean he isn't obliged to show respect.

[Col. Kurtz]

It`s funny how muslims can''' dish it out'' but cant '' take it ''..they are like the little school yard bully. They pick on everyone and every other religon and as soon as someone pokes a little fun at them they run to the teacher and p*** and moan about it.

[Talon]

It`s funny how muslims can''' dish it out'' but cant '' take it ''..they are like the little school yard bully. They pick on everyone and every other religon and as soon as someone pokes a little fun at them they run to the teacher and p*** and moan about it.

True, they are a pathetically thin-skinned people. Every week it seems Muslims are on TV moaning about something or someone in the west offending them. If we're so bloody offensive then the whole lot of them should be shipped to a nice Islamic country like Iran and live under its nice Muslim-friendly Shara laws.

[Bella-Angelique]

They want all gays executed. I suppose that deserves respect and compliance by all non-muslim nations as well?

After all, not to do so would look racist wouldn't it?

[tuethedane]

Here is a webpage where u can see a video of the cartoons.

http://www.defendingdenmark.com/

And btw not all of the danish media is racist!

[__Kratos__]

Sigh...

As a Swede, I can confirm the Danish society (and media, and politics) being overall racist. Especially toward the muslim populace.

Criticising is one thing.

Provocation and disrespect only deserves anti-reactions. People know muslims do not allow Mohammed to be depicted. What is it that makes West utter things like the cartoons despite that knowledge?

If that's not provocation, then I do not know what is. I have seen the cartoons, and I don't understand where the "cartoon" part is. I can only see mockery in terms of caricatures.

Just because one doesn't understand something (muslim traditions and norms) doesn't mean he isn't obliged to show respect.

Racist? Their country had thousands of death threats, boycotts and riots all aimed for the country as their flags burned in the street over their freedoms. All they do is make cartoons and movies... But they're the bad guys here?!

It is probably provocation as well as it should be thrown out there. They're telling Muslims Denmark is a FREE country that is not in any way under shia law!

We should be more concerned with the freedom that the muslims want to smash away that is up for stakes. It took many many hundreds of years to forge free countries and we should protect them with whatever tools that come to the hands of those that want to stand up and just say NO to threats!

True, they are a pathetically thin-skinned people. Every week it seems Muslims are on TV moaning about something or someone in the west offending them. If we're so bloody offensive then the whole lot of them should be shipped to a nice Islamic country like Iran and live under its nice Muslim-friendly Shara laws.

I couldn't agree more. You've hit that one right on the head of the nail.

[Saint Macabre]

True, they are a pathetically thin-skinned people. Every week it seems Muslims are on TV moaning about something or someone in the west offending them. If we're so bloody offensive then the whole lot of them should be shipped to a nice Islamic country like Iran and live under its nice Muslim-friendly Shara laws.

As Kratos already mentioned, you've made a good point, but I think the reason why they (the radicals, anyway) aren't in Iran or what not is to spread their brand of Islam, what ever the cost...

[Talon]

As Kratos already mentioned, you've made a good point, but I think the reason why they (the radicals, anyway) aren't in Iran or what not is to spread their brand of Islam, what ever the cost...

It’s cause they think the own the country rather than the natives. I see it all the time on the news here, and I bet it happens in other western countries too; radicals appearing on TV and reciting the slogan "you were just born here, but we were given this land by god".

[odas]

The Swed is right.

Let me see, If I know that i will ofend you and do it inspite of that what do we call it?

Provocation.

How about I ask nicely:

Please, you, who you like to call yourself openminded and free, please, try not to make fun of Mohammed, because it is ofending to me.

If you think that you are a better person than me, than show it with not ofending Mohammed and my religion. Maybe, that will make me also a better person and I will be like you.

I do not mind if you ofend me by calling me names, but please do not depict Mohammed in neither bad or good pictures.

Thank you for your superior understanding.

Edited October 9, 2006 by odas

[__Kratos__]

I can ask nicely to!

Please Muslim world denouce the Koran that states infidels are bad, the killing, the treatment of human beings, the intolerance and the hate that the book teaches for it offends me as a free thinking person.

Thank you for your understanding.

Think it'll work, Odas? I doubt it...

[Mars]

As a Swede, I can confirm the Danish society (and media, and politics) being overall racist. Especially toward the muslim populace.

I don't see how you can be racist towards a religion.

[Talon]

I don't see how you can be racist towards a religion.

I agree, Islam is a religion, not a race so being anti-Islamic is hardly racist. I mean, does criticising witch-burning make racist against Christians… even though Christians are not a race?

[wnf]

I can ask nicely to!

Please Muslim world denouce the Koran that states infidels are bad, the killing, the treatment of human beings, the intolerance and the hate that the book teaches for it offends me as a free thinking person.

Thank you for your understanding.

Think it'll work, Odas? I doubt it...

It won't work because you are asking the muslims to turn their back on their religion.All those terrorists and extremists had really tarnished Islam's image and even the holy al-Quran.Not all muslims are bad.The real muslims are living a peaceful life with the guidance of the Quran and Hadiths.So, please I am asking all of you to respect Islam and stop saying horrible things about Islam.Can you do that? I hope so.And I am not picking a fight with anyone.I am just asking a favour.Thank you.

[__Kratos__]

It won't work because you are asking the muslims to turn their back on their religion.All those terrorists and extremists had really tarnished Islam's image and even the holy al-Quran.Not all muslims are bad.The real muslims are living a peaceful life with the guidance of the Quran and Hadiths.So, please I am asking all of you to respect Islam and stop saying horrible things about Islam.Can you do that? I hope so.And I am not picking a fight with anyone.I am just asking a favour.Thank you.

I knew it wouldn't...

Terrorists are using Islam though for jihad which is allowed by the Koran, which is god's words.

I doubt I'd ever really respect a religion that calls me an infidel or sees that I should be a cold corpse for not believing.

O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Surah 9:123 Source

[wnf]

I respect you and your religion.You're a christian, no? Is it suprising for me to respect a person who hates and condemns my religion? No.Because Islam IS a peaceful religion and us muslims can't force anyone to join Islam.Islam's clean image had really been tarnished to the extent that you people really really hate Islam.This world is really corrupted.All those terrorists and suicide-bombings people are not true muslims.They have weak faith.If a muslim commits suicide, he or she will go to hell.Allah condemns wars and destructions.Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a peace-loving and big-hearted man.Jihad is a holy war, as you know but Jihad needs to be conducted if other religions are terrorizing Islam and Jihad is to defend Islam.Not to create devastation.If a muslim is using Jihad as an excuse to create a war, then he is sinned.

[__Kratos__]

I respect you and your religion.You're a christian, no? Is it suprising for me to respect a person who hates and condemns my religion? No.Because Islam IS a peaceful religion and us muslims can't force anyone to join Islam.Islam's clean image had really been tarnished to the extent that you people really really hate Islam.This world is really corrupted.All those terrorists and suicide-bombings people are not true muslims.They have weak faith.If a muslim commits suicide, he or she will go to hell.Allah condemns wars and destructions.Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a peace-loving and big-hearted man.Jihad is a holy war, as you know but Jihad needs to be conducted if other religions are terrorizing Islam and Jihad is to defend Islam.Not to create devastation.If a muslim is using Jihad as an excuse to create a war, then he is sinned.

I'll ignore you calling me a christian. *twitches* I'm a free thinker.

No religion that is so large ever has a 'clean image'.

They are true muslims though, they are following the koran and dying for their religion. They're doing more then living a peaceful life while ignoring the war side of the koran stating people should fight or be replaced by Allah.

If Allah truely did condemn war he wouldn't have put it in the Koran so much for Jihad. Jihad is not always about defending, there is also the attack jihad.

If the war is a sin, the muhammad is a sinner.

[odas]

I can ask nicely to!

Please Muslim world denouce the Koran that states infidels are bad, the killing, the treatment of human beings, the intolerance and the hate that the book teaches for it offends me as a free thinking person.

Thank you for your understanding.

Think it'll work, Odas? I doubt it...

You are being ignorant again. In denouncing the Quran one has to denounce God and his messengers.

If I denounce Islam, that would mean that the extremists have won.

So, my dear Kratos, my nice answer to your nice question, which is btw. not to compare to my question is.

As long as there is the sun, the moon and the stars in the sky, I will never denounce Islam.

If you do not like it it is your problem.

You do not know me, yet you hate me just because I am a moslem, and yes, if you had the oportunity, I am sure you would like to kill me , just because of my religion.

This makes Osma, Hitler, Ahmedinejad and other extremists your brothers in faith.

Kratos, you are as extreme as any other extremist. This is the personal difference between me and you.

Edited October 9, 2006 by odas

[limerickboi]

Even in this country muslims can say wat the like about other

religions but if anyone trys to say anything about there religion

they go about threatening to go to the police or the human rights brigade

a s you have offeneded there religion

[Bella-Angelique]

Jihad is a holy war, as you know but Jihad needs to be conducted if other religions are terrorizing Islam and Jihad is to defend Islam

Those of us who believe in freedom of religion and the equality of secular law as basic human rights will never tolerate any religious group that choses to use violence as a means to maintain their faith.

The planet has grown smaller and it will continue to get even smaller than it is as far as contact with one another is concerned. Some forms of Islam will either evolve and adapt or in the end they will be destroyed.

As in most really bad situations, things will probably get worse before they get better, but the writing is on the wall. Fundementalist Islam has been weighed and found wanting in every way and it is inevitable that the world will wipe it out. The only question is when.