Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #26 Share Posted October 9, 2006 odas, from what I've learned of Kratos he has no desire to kill you or hate you. He is simply frustrated at the people that use your religion as a justification to kill anyone that disagrees with them. wnf, maybe you should look within yourself before you focus on how you think other people are terrorizing Islam. The crazy Christians that are terrorizing people at funerals have been followed around the country, by other true Christians, denouncing them. That's what we don't understand. Why aren't you doing the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baku Posted October 9, 2006 #27 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well Denmark is earning itself a very bad name in the Islamic world (exception for several small states, Azerbaijan, Kazachstan But I agree that Denmark has the full right to say whatever it likes. However lets face it, there is a big war in Iraq, a war on terror and North Korea just made nukes; I would recommend Denmark to stay quite for a while untill we solve the primary problems in the world. The hate that most Muslims have against Denmark will blow over time (Denmerk will just have to donate some good old Danish cookies and cheese) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted October 9, 2006 #28 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I don't think anyone is surprized at the Muslim community kicking off again, we had 2 fire engines burnt out locally while attending a small riot... (it never hit the news) 3 weeks ago. The great Prophet Muhammad had a sexual relationship with a 9-year old girl. Should'nt this be a concern to those who hold the Prophet Muhammad as a model of holiness? I sure as hell would not want him as a baby sitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyeJedi Posted October 9, 2006 #29 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) odas, from what I've learned of Kratos he has no desire to kill you or hate you. He is simply frustrated at the people that use your religion as a justification to kill anyone that disagrees with them. wnf, maybe you should look within yourself before you focus on how you think other people are terrorizing Islam. The crazy Christians that are terrorizing people at funerals have been followed around the country, by other true Christians, denouncing them. That's what we don't understand. Why aren't you doing the same? Well showing up to stop someone from ruining a funeral is slightly safer than trying to stop a suicide bomber. Edited October 9, 2006 by RedEyeJedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #30 Share Posted October 9, 2006 odas, from what I've learned of Kratos he has no desire to kill you or hate you. He is simply frustrated at the people that use your religion as a justification to kill anyone that disagrees with them. wnf, maybe you should look within yourself before you focus on how you think other people are terrorizing Islam. The crazy Christians that are terrorizing people at funerals have been followed around the country, by other true Christians, denouncing them. That's what we don't understand. Why aren't you doing the same? No, moslems like me are denouncing Islamic terrorists but noone reads or wants to understand it. If there are true and fals Christians, then we have also true and fals moslems. What Kratos is doing is telling me to denounce my religion, Islam. What is it different from what Islamic terrorists ( or hardliners ) are doing. Islamic hardliners hate everything what is not Islam, according to them. Kratos hates everything what is about Islam. He is terrorizing me and other true moslems. Once he can distinguish the difference between a true and a fals moslem, then I will change my opinion about him. Until then he is, for me, the same extremist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #31 Share Posted October 9, 2006 That's true RedEye, but who's to know when they are going to go off the deep end like the suicide bombers? And to tell you the truth...if I thought there would be a possibility of a suicide bomber I would be more inclined to show my defiance. After all, my family could be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #32 Share Posted October 9, 2006 odas, I will leave that between you and Kratos.. One thing I will say, is that I've looked at a lot of Muslin and ME web sites, and there is not a lot of resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Macabre Posted October 9, 2006 Author #33 Share Posted October 9, 2006 World Islamic body condemns Danish cartoons RIYADH (Reuters) - The 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) on Monday condemned a new round of Danish cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad, saying the values of tolerance were shrinking in Europe. Danish state TV on Friday broadcast amateur video footage showing members of the anti-immigrant Danish Peoples' Party (DPP) at a summer camp in August, drinking, singing and taking part in a competition to draw images mocking the Prophet. "Muslims have noted with concern that the values of tolerance are eroding and there is now shrinking space for others' religious, social and cultural values in the West," said a statement sent to Reuters by the Jeddah-based OIC, the world's largest Islamic grouping. "The OIC spokesman deplores the act of caricaturing of Prophet Mohammad by the youth members of the Danish Peoples Party and this being shown, regrettably, on state television," the statement said. "The running of the footage affected the sensibilities of civilized people and religious beliefs of one fifth of humanity," it said, adding that Muslims around the world had so far shown restraint. Just over a year ago violence ensued after the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten published cartoons of the Prophet, including one showing him with a bomb in his turban. Protests led to the deaths of over 50 people in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has denounced the DPP members for drawing the humiliating cartoons. Senior DPP members refused to apologize and party leader Pia Kjaersgaard criticized media for airing the footage of what she called a private party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #34 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) I think religious tolerance left when Muslims moved to free countries demanding we follow Sharia law. Edited October 9, 2006 by Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #35 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I think religious tolerance left when Muslims moved to free countries demanding we follow Sharia law. See, what I mean? Are you talking about muslims in general, or about muslim hillbilly hardliners? Please clarify, because, I cannot remembe that I, as a moslem, ever demand Sharia Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Macabre Posted October 9, 2006 Author #36 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I believe they're refering to the extremists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #37 Share Posted October 9, 2006 You are right, S.M...if I may call you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #38 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has denounced the DPP members for drawing the humiliating cartoons. Senior DPP members refused to apologize and party leader Pia Kjaersgaard criticized media for airing the footage of what she called a private party. This shows that I am right when I say that we cannot generalize. Lets us see - Because of Osama and other scum, poeple hate ( for no reason) Islam. Because of those iresponsible people in Danmark, most arabic countries hate ( for no reason ) Danmark. Can't we see what is happening here? Normal, honest people around the world no matter of origin, race or religion start hating each other because of minorities. And those guys are laughing their assess of. Islamic extremists are abusing the teachings of Islam, and on the other side the free thinker extremists are abusing the teachings of free speach. It always starts with the hate speach ( remember Hitler ) the cartoons ( remember Hitler ) and then the murders ( remember Hitler ). The same way Osama started, Ahmedinejad started ( is still in progress ) and the Danish "free thinkers" are going the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #39 Share Posted October 9, 2006 You are right, S.M...if I may call you that. Good. So can we in future use the word Islamic hardliners just to make sure that you don't mean me or my two year old by that? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella-Angelique Posted October 9, 2006 #40 Share Posted October 9, 2006 See, what I mean? Are you talking about muslims in general, or about muslim hillbilly hardliners? Please clarify, because, I cannot remembe that I, as a moslem, ever demand Sharia Law. I would be willing to bet that the mosque that you are affiliated with does if you are affiliated with one. And if you give money to them then you do support sharia law being enacted in Canada. Care to name your mosque? We could check that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinders Posted October 9, 2006 #41 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) I think religious tolerance left when Muslims moved to free countries demanding we follow Sharia law. Odas, I think she sort of means along the lines of what is going on in France as well as in the UK regarding Radical governments etc. operating within your own borders etc. I remember watching and reading about something going on in the UK (London I think) that they wanted a SHIA run government there. Several demonstrations going on etc. It was really shocking for my hubby who is from the UK.. his family still lives there. I am glad we stayed where I am from afterall.. I DID want to move to the UK, but the way things are anymore, I guess I will stay in the rainy state of Oregon as long as the NK doesn't send over one of their NUKES on us here. Anyway, Odas, I know you can't stand Beck, but he discussed a bit on this topic which was interesting- his guest is from the UK Nile Gardiner... again it seems yet another example of "walking on egg shells" around some .. *sigh* On 09/26/2006 Beck talks about how London Police agree to consult Muslim clerics before anti-terror raids. Video can be seen online here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfyen_bec...terror-09262006 Edited October 9, 2006 by Cinders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #42 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I truly apologize, odas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Macabre Posted October 9, 2006 Author #43 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) Good. So can we in future use the word Islamic hardliners just to make sure that you don't mean me or my two year old by that? Thanks. I think she was refering to me S.M.=Saint Macabre Correct me, I may have read the post wrong... Edited October 9, 2006 by Saint Macabre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #44 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I think we are all on the same page now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #45 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I think she was refering to me S.M.=Saint Macabre Correct me, I may have read the post wrong... I know that, SM. I just clicked on the replay button beneath the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted October 9, 2006 #46 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I think we are all on the same page now.... Tottaly, dude. Your appologie accepted and I want to appologize to Kratos. I got carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #47 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hey!!!...nobody calls me a dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted October 9, 2006 #48 Share Posted October 9, 2006 You are being ignorant again. In denouncing the Quran one has to denounce God and his messengers. If I denounce Islam, that would mean that the extremists have won. So, my dear Kratos, my nice answer to your nice question, which is btw. not to compare to my question is. As long as there is the sun, the moon and the stars in the sky, I will never denounce Islam. If you do not like it it is your problem. Oh, my problem indeed. The West shall NEVER denouce freedom that has been so dearly fought for over the years and the lives lost. If you do not like it, that is your problem! Though, look at it... The muslims are making it the west's problem now. Ask yourself, who started the violence? Who started the death threats? Who started the boycotts? Who burned the Danish flags in the street? Who called for the West to suffer? You do not know me, yet you hate me just because I am a moslem, and yes, if you had the oportunity, I am sure you would like to kill me , just because of my religion. This makes Osma, Hitler, Ahmedinejad and other extremists your brothers in faith. Kratos, you are as extreme as any other extremist. This is the personal difference between me and you. Hate? Well some Muslims of course. The other Muslims I simply dislike... Only because the Koran states they shouldn't make friends outside of their faith. Also because I'm treated like a second class citizen in Islam because I'm an infidel. Why I got a letter from CAIR the other day that the words talked to me like I was some heathen idiot that was filthy. odas, from what I've learned of Kratos he has no desire to kill you or hate you. He is simply frustrated at the people that use your religion as a justification to kill anyone that disagrees with them. wnf, maybe you should look within yourself before you focus on how you think other people are terrorizing Islam. The crazy Christians that are terrorizing people at funerals have been followed around the country, by other true Christians, denouncing them. That's what we don't understand. Why aren't you doing the same? Frustrated is a good word. It burns slowly in me that Muslims can find the time and energy to throw a riot over some silly cartoons but they are dead silent when a schoolhouse gets attacked by suicide bombers. How sad is that? A cartoon is more important of a cause then little innocent children being blown to pieces. I've seen both pictures... I can tell you with 100% honestly that the burned dead children are much much much worse then a stupid cartoon. Well to a point they are right. God's wrath isn't to be taken lightly but god does hate 'fags' (not my words, their words of course!) though I doubt soldiers are dying because America is tolerant to homosexual lifestyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 9, 2006 #49 Share Posted October 9, 2006 The only rational that I can think of is that they are afraid of retaliation. If they are concerned about preserving the image of Islam they would be pursuing the people that are damaging that image. Maybe I have become hardened after 20 years of helping clean up a drug infested neighborhood and being threatened on a weekly basis. I don't mean to offend anyone...I'm just trying to make sense of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinders Posted October 9, 2006 #50 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) Did anyone read this article that came out October 5th, 2006?? Sort of reminds me of that Glenn Beck video I posted about earlier in this thread and when he mentions the "no-go zones"... Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day. Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy was warned of an 'intifada' As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin. It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones. The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken. Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals. Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics. The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro. However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas. He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested." He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles." However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority. Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working. Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment. As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path. The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces". david.rennie@telegraph.co.uk Source And these two articles .. this one is from in Brussels Third Night of Ramadan Rioting in Capital of Europe written 9-27-2006 and this one: Ramadan Rioting in Brussels, 26 September 2006 *sigh* There has GOT to be a better way to deal with all this for EVERYONE. Edited October 9, 2006 by Cinders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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