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user posted image rAn Urban Legend: It’s the year 2006, only fives years after the attacks of Sept 11, America still stands, yet divided among many. Divided in times when lies become truth and truth becomes myth. Many accept the official theories of Sept 11th as fact despite the bizarre discrepancies and outright lies and omissions. But today, I’m not here to deal in theories, lies, or myths; I’m here to deal in Conspiracy Fact. Many will hold heartedly deny these facts after reading but will in the end assure that this nation is toppled from the inside out with they’re willful ignorance. Now, I guess the only thing left to ask is “if your government betrayed you, would you know it or more so would you want to know it?”It all begins with a man named “Muhammad Atta”, the politically proclaimed 911 ringleader. We all know who he is; he is supposedly the man who performed a kamikaze style attack with a Boeing 747 into World Trade Center tower 1; bypassing air port security while posing as a normal passenger, boarding a plane and taking control of it with his box cutter, on the same morning NORAD was having war game drills at the directive of PNAC member Vice President Dick Cheney, all while acting alone. Was 911 solely the act of Middle Eastern religious fanatics who acted alone, unassisted by any foreign or domestic agency accomplishing all but one of they’re objectives without hindrance?Well on the surface with media propaganda, one may be inclined to believe so, but when you review the unspoken truths, 911 is shown to be a pre planned attack on the American people, all to accomplish an agenda. As much as you are compelled by media to believe 9/11 was solely the work of Middle Eastern terrorist acting alone, it has more roots to our own government. Let’s begin to examine a Conspiracy Fact; which could be considered by many as…a smoking gun. General Mahmoud Ahmed, the Head of the Pakistani Intelligence Agency, the ISI, wired 100,000 dollars to the lead highjacker Mohammad Atta, reported by some sources as Sept 10. Coincidentally, General Ahmed had this money wired to Atta by “Omar Sheikh”, a British-born Islamic militant who is currently awaiting execution in Pakistan for the murder of American Journalist Daniel Pearl, who the U.S government and his wife both acknowledge was not responsible for the murder.That doesn’t even touch the surface of what’s really going on. On Sept 11th, 2001 this same ISI Head General who wired Atta this money, was in Washington having a series of top level meetings with the White House, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, George Tenant at the time Head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman the under secretary of state of political affairs. And right after 911, this General was escorted out the country with the red carpet, unknown and unheard of. The U.S government has allowed then and continues to allow now the money man behind 9/11 to escape unskaved and untouched; only to have him return to Pakistan and then at the request of the Pakistani President, resigned his position. So here we have the financer of the 9/11 attacks on the morning of Sept 11th having breakfast meetings with top government officials, and then allowed to escape. That’s not shocking these days that they would allow a 911 criminal to escape, when the white house itself is ran by a band of criminals, who have themselves highjacked this country and would sell it out just to maintain political power.The American people can only wonder in awe of what would become of this nation if they were to find out this administration could have prevented 911 and didn’t, or even caused it to happen.

That seems to be exactly the case when we delve deeper into the facts. During the 1980’s with CIA funding, the ISI was developed. It’s basically a parallel of the CIA; a subsidiary, a state within a state, with staff and informers estimated by some at 150,000. It holds unspoken power over all forms of government. With the Head of the ISI General Ahmed wiring Muhammad Atta 100,000 dollars, this fact proves that parts of the ISI directly supported and financed Al-Qaida, and it has long been established by any novice historian that the ISI has acted as go-between in intelligence operations on behalf of the CIA. So with that being said, is it not the CIA who had prior knowledge of the 911 attacks and allowed it to happen at the ISI’s expense?Daniel Ellsberg, the former US defense department whistleblower who has accompanied Sibel Edmonds (Fbi translator whistleblower) in court, has went on the record and stated “It seems to me quite plausible that Pakistan was quite involved in this ... To say Pakistan is, to me, to say CIA because ... it's hard to say that the ISI knew something that the CIA had no knowledge of." It’s a well known fact that for years the CIA used the ISI as a subsidiary to put billions of dollars into Islamic militant groups in Afghanistan, both before and after the Soviet invasion of 1979. The evidence supporting U.S involvement in the attacks of Sept 11th is so profound that they can no longer claim incompetence, but instead criminal intent.It is indeed criminal intent, fore if 9/11 never occurred; the U.S wouldn’t be able to accomplish its geo-political agendas in this century. Yes, those very agendas outlined in the Project for New American Century would be impossible to implement had 9/11 never happened. Tony Blair couldn’t agree more with this statement in saying “To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11.” (Tony Blair Speaking To House of Commons Liaison Committee “Britain backs US plan for attack on Iraq” London Times 17 July, 2002.) So basically, the U.S and UK, used 9/11 to its advantage, all of which coincidentally allowed them to pursue plans within the PNAC documents. That only leads one to ask, would those elaborate plans and objectives be written up and not be carried out some how or some way? 9/11 was simply the answer to the PNAC’s problem; in that “the process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”In essence, PNAC is a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax America and was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defense secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC).9/11, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq War, all of these random events happening in a continuous stream benefiting a select few within government and big corporations is by no means a coincidence. Within the PNAC documents it hinted that the Iraq war was well on its ways and that the Bush Administration planned on taking control of the Gulf region regardless if Saddam was in power. It quotes “while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

In simple terms, the need for a required American force presence in the Gulf goes beyond the regime of Saddam Hussein; us being there is far more important than regime change yet they will go hand in hand.PNAC is the American plan for global domination, all through the document it highlights North Korea, Syria, Iran, as dangerous regimes, and goes on to say they’re existence justifies the creation of a “worldwide command and control system”.It also includes China for "regime change", stating "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in SE Asia". The direction of where America is heading is absolutely ridiculous. Now before you start labeling supporters of these facts Conspiracy theorist or conspiratorial advocates, you really should think about how the PNAC documents explains what happen before, during, and after 9/11; the catalogue of evidence falls into place when set against the PNAC blueprint.There were countless warnings of these attacks forth coming and all the Bush Administration could do after was deny receiving any at all; criminal negligence. They received so many warnings and knew so much about the attack, and aided the terrorist in so many ways, lets just quote the former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence" You see, the real goal of 9/11 was never to catch Bin Ladin or liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam’s rule; the War of Terror is simply being used as a smokescreen cover for achieving US strategic geopolitical objectives.The Bush Administration was so intent on accomplishing these objectives to where it had intelligence cherry picked in order build a false basis for war. Specifically, Donald Rumsfield was so determined to obtain a rationale for an attack on Iraq that on 10 separate occasions he asked the CIA to find evidence linking Iraq to 9/11; the CIA repeatedly came back empty-handed (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). American investigative journalist Seymour Hurst states “Even before 9/11 Dick Cheney was insistence that the U.S must invade Iraq, and begin changing the world.” The only thing stopping Dick Chaney’s political desire of War in Iraq from coming to pass was a pretext; a way to get in. But Cheney’s dream was fulfilled with the attacks of 9/11. After 9/11 Dick Chaney then began to sell the American people a war, whether real or manufactured.Dick Chaney even visited the CIA headquarters, on 8 separate occasions, wanting to see more “forward leaning intelligence” on Iraq. Next is where things get just downright underhanded and dirty. The Pentagon then established a secretive group to work closely with the Vice President on intelligence matters; the group was known as the O.S.P, the Office of Special Plans. Greg Fieldman an intelligence specialist with the State Department is quoted stating “ They’re starting point was not to figure out what was going on, but lets see what kind of information we can come up with to justify the policy line we wish to pursue. Cheney was the driving force behind an orchestrated presentation to the American public of a different version of reality than, at least, the reality we saw.”In the intelligence community that’s called “Cherry Picking”; selecting individual morsels of information that support a certain view, and Stove Piping sending them without analyst right to the White House to be inserted into the president’s script. This is nothing more but conscious manipulation of intelligence far from an oversight. Another person who helped Cheney sell the war was “Ahmed Chalabi” an ex Iraqi patriot.

Chalabi’s organization was paid over 300,000 dollars a month to provide intelligence to the Office of Special Plans. In the end Vice President got his money’s worth. Chalabi, a convicted bank swindler who hadn’t lived in Iraq since he was 13, hoped to become the new Iraqi president once Saddam was captured; his O.S.P reports were routinely optimistic, stating that the Iraqis will greet American Troops as liberators. All of the deceitful tactics used against the American People by this administration can be viewed as treasonous, yet most stand by with they’re shameful apathy as America heads in the direction which is incrementally transforming this country into a imperial fascist state, when all political decisions are made solely to benefit major corporations.As an American, you must really look at all of these bizarre coincidences and inconsistencies and start to connect the dots at certain point. And to some people it’s a scary thing that they’re own government would manufacture a war and even commit an attack against them. Hard as it is to believe, all one has to do is look at who has the motive. Al-Quadia gains nothing from a 1000 or so Americans dying; they will be happy they killed a bunch of us, but in the end, what besides an emotion will they gain? Nothing. It would take centuries for any terrorist group to topple the U.S just by killing off its citizens in long drawn out coordinated attacks; it just cant be done, our founding fathers even admitted that, if this nation ever shall fall it will never be from an outside threat but it shall be destroyed from the inside. Disturbing enough, our government has a blueprint of objectives they need to accomplish and have no way of accomplishing them unless some sort of attack occurs which allows them to push the go button on all of they’re objectives; 9/11 provided that.It’s not far from the truth to state that the U.S government has made no “serious” attempt to catch Osama Bin Ladin, because, they haven’t! In late September and as early as Oct 2001, the leaders of Pakistan’s two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Ladins extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11, but the U.S REJECTED HIM! A U.S official was reported saying “casting our objectives too narrowly risked a premature collapse of the international effort, if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured.” Next, the U.S Joint Chief of Staff, General Myers even openly stated that “ the goal has never been to get Bin Laden”.(AP, April 5,2002) Even the Fbi agent Robert Wright told ABC News(December 19,2002) that the FBI headquarters wanted no arrest. And the smoking gun to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt Bin Ladin never was the goal, our own U.S president George W.Bush admitted it, saying “the most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Ladin. It is our number one priority & and we will not rest until we find him.”-Sept 13, 2001. Then as Bin Ladin became the least talked about throughout the media he stated “I don’t know where he is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” –March 13, 2002.All of these statements and reports which are considered evidence come directly from sources in the public domain, and when compared to the idea of having a war on terrorism, it’s absolutely incompatible. It leaves me in handicapped disbelief that after 9/11 Osama Bin Ladin was being broadcasted as being the mastermind behind the attacks and that we will catch him and bring him to justice but when a foreign government offers to directly hand him over to you, you DENY HIM! Why!?

This definitely supports the fact that Bin Ladin never was our goal. He was nothing more but an asset; used as political tool throughout the media when they needed him. And he to this day, goes on not captured, unpursued for the attacks of Sept 11; maybe because he didn’t commit them? It’s just so hard for me to believe this government let alone this president wants to catch Bin Ladin when he has so many close ties to him business wise. On 9/11 Bush Sr was in Washington in a meeting with Osama Bin Ladin’s Brother “Shafig Bin Laden” with the Carlyle Group hosting a conference at a Washington hotel.I couldn’t begin to picture that meeting “Uh hey man, you know my son is about to accuse your brother of the biggest terrorist attack on America, I just want you to know there isn’t any hard feelings ok? And don’t mind that we’re putting him as number 1 on the most wanted list, or that 25 million dollar bounty on his head to kill him.” America seeing all of these events unfold in front of my eyes and have the masses buy into it as if it were the Gospel Truth brings a tear to my eye. Sometimes it even makes me ashamed to be American the way the people in this country carry on in ignorance.And to touch upon another subject, among the most disgraceful, it has to be debunkers. Debunker are pathetic in they’re attempts to preserve the lies as truth in the official version of 9/11. They go to extreme lengths to accomplish this, from witness hearing explosions in the towers as being computers exploding or steel buckling so much that it just so happens to explode out of a wall and blow a bunch of people’s faces off. Amongst the many things they try to “debunk” they fail to address none WTC issues such as the PNAC documents or the Muhammad Atta Money Trail which leads back to Pakistan’s ISI then to our own CIA. They turn a blind eye to those things and throughout all of the mountains of evidence which shows federal involvement, including whistleblowers, who openly admit our government had complicity in the attacks.I can only look on in utter disgust. A 28 year CIA Veteran and Political Advisor Ray Mcgovern, went public in saying “We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation, big violent explosions of some kind, we have to not take the word of the masters there in Washington that this was some terrorist event because it could well be a provocation allowing them, or seemingly to allow them to get what they want." And this is exactly the case if you investigate. If you’re going to ignore all of this evidence, why you don’t just give an applause once the Constitution is suspended after the next terrorist attack.The FBI, illegally, continues to refuse the release of their agent Robert Wright's 500-page manuscript Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission, and still has refused to turn the manuscript over to Senator Shelby, vice-chairman of the joint intelligence committee charged with investigating America's 9/11 intelligence failures. And the US government, caught red handed in the cookie jar, still refuses to declassify 28 secret pages of a recent report on 9/11. The only thing you can ask is WHY? If there is a gun behind a door on a table with your finger prints on it and a tape showing you committed a crime and authorities asked you to open to that door, would you open it????? No you wouldn’t, you would continue to want to keep that door LOCKED. And that exactly what the government is doing, protecting itself from incrimination.In all the paragraphs of things I’ve discussed I will leave you all with a profound quote from a truly patriotic journalist “It is not the democrats who inaction in the face of the enemy you fear sir, it is your own, before 9/11 and you alone know this perhaps afterwards. Mr President, these new lies go to the heart of what it is you truly wish to preserve, it is not our freedom nor our country; your actions against the constitution give irrefutable proof of that. You want to preserve one political party’s power, and obviously you will sell this country out to do it. These are lies about the democrats pile the top, lies about Iraq, pile the top, lies about your preparations for Al Quiada. To you perhaps they feel like the weight of a million centuries, as crushing as immovable, but they are not. If you add more lies to them you cannot free yourself and us from them. But if you stop, if you stop fabricating quotes and stop building strawmen and stop inspiring those around you to do the same, you may yet liberate yourself and this nation. Please Sir, do not throw this countries principles away because your lies have made it such that you can no longer differentiate between the terrorist and the critics.” –Keith Olberman

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BZRK

Absolutely a fantastic article to read, straight to the point with evidence and facts that cant be ignored.

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, indeed Dick Cheney was running several war games in the north eastern portion of the United States. These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th. (Well documented by various News Media).

Dick Cheney is member of the Project for a New American Century as stated in the article. This is an organization of political ideologues (neocons) who wrote detailed plans than included invading Afghanistan, Iraq & the middle east. Their goal is to ensure America is the only super power in the world. You can research their work for it is public information. Members of PNAC include Donald Rumsfeld and more than ten members of the Bush foreign & defense policy teams. In their documentation they openly state that the public and Congress would not accept their agenda and that the transition would be a slow one “absent a catalyzing and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor!”

Cheney was in a position to have the air defense agencies stand down.

While these facts seem to incriminate Cheney, all you can do within reason is ask these questions:

# Was Cheney in a position to have the defense systems stand down?

# Did Cheney, a member of PNAC, a group who expressed the fact that their agenda would be better accepted if we had a “new Pearl Harbor”, have a motive? Did he benefit from the events?

# Could the events have been an accident? Could the drills have gone bad?

# Why did the 9/11 Commission Report omit the information about the drills, making only 1 mention of them in a single footnote. The report only mentioned 1 drill, and falsely described it as a drill to defend against Russian Bombers. Are we to believe that we have to practice defending the nation against Russian bombers in the north eastern portion of the US?

# Why have the news media neglected to inform the public of Cheney’s actions that day?

# Why did Bush and Cheney insist on being questioned by the commission together, without being taped, without taking an oath and with no records kept?

# If you did not know this information, you have to ask yourself why it is not common knowledge? You also have to ask what else don’t you know?

# In the years following the event, have you ever heard from the people who you were told committed these acts? Or, have you only been told why this happened by the people who want you to believe their story.

Millions of Americans entrusted their well being and the well being of their nation to an administration they accepted at face value. They bought into the promotions and the mantras, and the lies and the deceits. They did not ask the questions and they believed what they were told.

As in the fictional story, the damage is done and there is no going back. But, in real life there is always a tomorrow. There has to be a moment in which each and every person who has refused to do so in the past takes the time to find out who is running this country, and to understand where these totally evil men are taking us all.

For your own sake, look them up. For your own sake, understand who is at the helm of this sinking ship. For your own sake, believe what the Neocons in power proudly and openly admit on their own web site.

For your own sake, wake up before they take us all into their distorted fantasy world of military global domination. Or, sit back and watch the end of the world as we know it. It’s your choice. Go for it.

Cheers

BZRK :tu:

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Bella-Angelique

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October 18, 2006

COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - OCTOBER 18, 2006

Host: Keith Olbermann

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Topics/Guests:

* GOP IN CRISIS: Craig Crawford, Congressional Quarterly columnist and MSNBC political analyst; Joe Trippi, Democratic strategist

* IRAQ'S POLITICAL FREEFALL IN THE U.S.: Thomas Ricks, Washington Post military reporter

Tonight the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann will deliver another propaganda-laden "special comment". Why not? When New York newspapers happen to report on his, shall we say, shortcomings, all of a sudden Krazy Keith starts parading around his new, barely legal girlfriend. And when book sales plummet, special comments--complete with mass emails to the blue blogs--suddenly start sprouting up like dandelions. Tonight's will be a pip, as Olby warns that ours is "a government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from".

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The Stupidest Person in the World?

Posted by Al Brown on October 13, 2006 - 16:16.

I'd like to thank Keith Olbermann of MSNBC for putting himself on my radar last week by naming the NewsBusters staff, and me personally, "Worst Persons in the World", a signal honor, usually reserved for the likes of Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh (and by the way, where's my trophy?).

Anyway, now that I'm aware of Mr. Olbermann and his little cable show, I found this quote of his in the Denver Post rather puzzling [emphasis added]:

"As a critic of the administration, I will be damned if you can get away with calling me the equivalent of a Nazi appeaser," Olbermann told The Associated Press. "No one has the right to say that about any free-speaking American in this country."

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A Final Comment

"MSNBC is a totally loser network that would use porn to bring ratings up if they thought they could get away with it. FOX news is biased towards Republicans, CNN is biased towards Democrats, but either is better than MSNBC which is totally biased toward the worst of the lunatic fringe."

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rassy

I stopped reading after the words Boeing 747....

That's not to say that I debunk the whole conspiracy thing, but if you can't get your facts straight, how am I supposed to take the other facts at face value? Research helps.....

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An Urban Legend
I stopped reading after the words Boeing 747....

That's not to say that I debunk the whole conspiracy thing, but if you can't get your facts straight, how am I supposed to take the other facts at face value? Research helps.....

Yes, I made a mistake in saying a boeing 747 when i should of put 767, but I think most people know what was intented; whats next, are you going to stop reading because I miss one letter in the spelling of a word? lol As long as you understand the message im trying to convey. But as far as ANYTHING else I listed, its not a matter of opinion, you can go look all this stuff up its mainstream, im simply reporting it. Google........

*Note* I encourage ALL, dont take my words as the truth. Go research for yourselves! All this stuff is has been reported already but painfully ignored. When you research your just going to arrive at the same conclusion I have. And if anyone would like me to personally send them my sources as to how I found this information just kindly send me a PM; Id be happy to point you in the right direction.*

~Thanks An Urban Legend

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Fate

When I read articles like this, I like to read the criticism as well. While I look for critism that attacks the facts. What I usually find are posts that say "you are stupid" or "you are crazy". I would really like someone to use facts to show me this is not true, because I do not want to believe it.

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Yes, I made a mistake in saying a boeing 747 when i should of put 767, but I think most people know what was intented

Sure. Trying to get Democrats elected by throwing out horror stories since they damn sure cannot get elected through their stands on critical issues facing the people of the USA.

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Aztec Warrior

A rambling of disjointed facts and confused theories leading to ridiculous conclusions.

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When I read articles like this, I like to read the criticism as well. While I look for critism that attacks the facts. What I usually find are posts that say "you are stupid" or "you are crazy". I would really like someone to use facts to show me this is not true, because I do not want to believe it.

Ya know what everybody? You want to know if anything i said is true? I'll list my sources right here. One by one, Mainstream articles.

* Bush Sr.(the president's dad) was having a meeting with Osama Bin Ladins brother in Washinton D.C at a hotel. Bin Ladins brother was the Carlyle Group's guest of honor.

Dark Heart of the American Dream

*Muhammad Atta was wired 100,000 dollars from the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmed, through the guy who supposedly killed Daniel Pearl "Omar Sheikh".

The Pakistani Connection

*Bin Ladin was never the goal of the "War on Terror". The goal of the War on Terror is to accomplish objectives in the Project for New American Century documents. Note* Had 9/11 never occured, accomplishing these objectives in the PNAC would be next to impossible and would take time far beyond our lifetime. Pakistan offered to extradict Bin Ladin for 9/11 and the U.S rejected him. They want you to believe Middle Eastern fundamentalist attacked America and brought down the Twin Towers and attacked the Pentagon, but at the same time didnt know they would actually be helping American politicans(namely PNAC MEMBERS) carry out PNAC objectives that they had no way of accomplishing without 9/11!!

The War on Terrorism Is Bogus (London Guardian)

28 year Cia Veteran Ray Mcgovern, Former British Parliment Member Michael Meacher, speak on 9/11

*Vice President Dick Chaney, had a special group created for Cherry Picking information to support a war on Iraq. It was reportedly created by Rumsfield but it was called " The O.S.P Office Of Special Plans". Greg Fieldman an intelligence specialist with the State Department stated Dick Chaney had intelligence for Iraq Cherry picked. Also it has how Ahmed Chalabi” was paid over 300,000 dollars a month to give reports to O.S.P about Iraq. For proof pertaining to all of that GO here---->

Dick Cheney O.S.P and Cherry Picking

A rambling of disjointed facts and confused theories leading to ridiculous conclusions.
Oh really? Distort those facts.......Go read.

Thanks~

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Aztec Warrior

You forgot that raving loon Alex Jones.

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You forgot that raving loon Alex Jones.
No, Alex Jones does a good job of reporting all these facts, but I would rather have the people read about it directly from my source itself. They arent distorted theories or ramblings, they are facts, and and its all reported mainstream; go distort that, you might want to call us who support these facts conspiracy theorist but you arent disproving not one of these reported facts, all you can do is come up with funny insults.

* Bush Sr.(the president's dad) was having a meeting with Osama Bin Ladins brother in Washinton D.C at a hotel. Bin Ladins brother was the Carlyle Group's guest of honor.

Dark Heart of the American Dream

*Muhammad Atta was wired 100,000 dollars from the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmed, through the guy who supposedly killed Daniel Pearl "Omar Sheikh".

The Pakistani Connection

*Bin Ladin was never the goal of the "War on Terror". The goal of the War on Terror is to accomplish objectives in the Project for New American Century documents. Note* Had 9/11 never occured, accomplishing these objectives in the PNAC would be next to impossible and would take time far beyond our lifetime. Pakistan offered to extradict Bin Ladin for 9/11 and the U.S rejected him. They want you to believe Middle Eastern fundamentalist attacked America and brought down the Twin Towers and attacked the Pentagon, but at the same time didnt know they would actually be helping American politicans(namely PNAC MEMBERS) carry out PNAC objectives that they had no way of accomplishing without 9/11!!

The War on Terrorism Is Bogus (London Guardian)

28 year Cia Veteran Ray Mcgovern, Former British Parliment Member Michael Meacher, speak on 9/11

*Vice President Dick Chaney, had a special group created for Cherry Picking information to support a war on Iraq. It was reportedly created by Rumsfield but it was called " The O.S.P Office Of Special Plans". Greg Fieldman an intelligence specialist with the State Department stated Dick Chaney had intelligence for Iraq Cherry picked. Also it has how Ahmed Chalabi” was paid over 300,000 dollars a month to give reports to O.S.P about Iraq. For proof pertaining to all of that GO here---->

Dick Cheney O.S.P and Cherry Picking

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Bella-Angelique

They arent distorted theories or ramblings

Yes they are. There was and is an entire planet of wealthy elite people who mix at different times and different places all over the globe.

One could use these sorts of dots and dashes to prove Madonna is a Jewish spy infiltrating African intelligence.

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Aztec Warrior

Sigh.... :sleepy:

The Guardian is not considered a stellar preformer in accurate reporting.

And "YouTube" is not even a source.

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Luziadus

Finally I see intelligent people not protecting the US Government,I simply can't stand if the population doesn't have a reaction about all this since Condollezza Rice lied to my Government I see that US Bush Administration plays very well Civilization IV than I could imagine but the North Coreia are in the game too.

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zukie&jim

the only thing left out is the "reptile/praying mantis" aliens that are going to take over earth and use humanity for a food source after buying earth from the NWO--LOL-- from their underground base in deluth. he needs to throw in --how they faked the moon landing . and oh yea somehow link the whole thing to the ilumanati's and gorge washington--LOL i'm sure there was some kind of conspiracy where the illuminatis way back in 1700's wanted a fake moon landing in the 1960's--ROF_LMAO-- and where's JFK, hoover, LBJ oh and least we forget --Elvis ?--LOL

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Bella-Angelique

Lets get a little reality light out on some of these wonderful people of the far left in the United States, before you swallow everything they say.

The Democratic party controls the sanctuary cities for criminals and terrorists inside the USA.

Just this past week one of the police forces of these Democrat cities refused to stop human trafficking taking place within them.

Democrat controlled cities are cities controlled by Drug Lords. They are full of slaves from foreign lands, highly organized drug gangs, human trafficking, murders, extortion, rape, and fear.

Are these really the types of people that foreign countries want controlling the USA?

The Republican party has an internal struggle between people like Bush and company and people who still love this nation and its people like Sonny Purdue of Georgia and others. They are often branded as isolationists by Democrats and people like Bush because they DO NOT want to take over the world at any cost and want to just take care of the citizens who live here and mind their own business otherwise unless directly threatened.

So when you see the "wonderful" things spilling out of the mouths of radical US Democrats, stop and take a look at the "wonderful" sanctuary cities these Democrats run and all that goes on within them. The reality is there for anyone to visit and to see.

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Goblin-5

Hindsight is always 20/20. The intelligence agencies recieve a TON of info every DAY and sifting through it all is a monumental task. Things would be missed or not deemed relevant at the time which in retrospect would have been obvious to anyone WHO KNEW WHAT TO LOOK FOR!

Certainly there were factors that made the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon easier but who would have believed that anyone would even consider flying a planeload of people (hostages) into a building for some unknown reason? Maybe the United Flight didnt crash as a result of the passengers but was shot down after the twin towers and pentagon were attacked. Until that point no sane person would have authorised the shooting down of a hijacked plane no matter where it was flying (except maybe Russia and KAL 007).

That there are groups like the PNAC or North Star Crusade is a given. However, to assume that Americans can keep a secret is simply asking far too much. To have run a conspiracy like 9/11 and then to successfully keep it secret for 5 years considering the number of people involved is simply unbelievable. Fact is that security at the airports was very lax as documented mere months before and America got caught by an action nobody could have dreamed would happen. It was a one time only shot and cannot be repeated. Is it so hard to believe that foreign operatives can find holes in a relatively unguarded area, take the time and money to set up the operation and then carry it out? Happened in the UK (except they were domestic agents) AFTER 9/11 and all the hype about plane bombings and the Spanish train bombings. In any (relatively free) society, fifth collumnists can have a far greater scope of action than in a totalitarian state and even there (Russia) they can still hit hard (Opera house hostage taking etc).

I think you are overanalysing the facts and making them fit your theory. The fact that they do does not make your theory correct any more than the Pearl Harbour conspiracy theorists are correct about theirs

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UncleSam1776

Same old information, same old conclusion. The thought that the government killed its own people to gain some fantastic goal, is preposterous. It is good to see that not many people are buying this fantasy.

Every conspiracy is the same, facts taken, other facts ignored, just so that the theory fits. This conspiracy goes further than most though. The amount of people who would need to be involved in a cover-up is hundreds if not thousands.

Believe whatever you would like to believe, I can’t change your mind. Next time though you may want to rethink your approach, and the presentation of your information. Lots of good points, neatly fitting into your theory. Try presenting the facts, all of them not a selected few, and let the reader make up their own mind. Don’t force your views down my throat and I won’t force my boot down yours.

God Bless America!

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BZRK

A rambling of disjointed facts and confused theories leading to ridiculous conclusions.

After posting facts and evidence to support Urban Legends claims, all you can come up with is a redicilous, RAMBLING OF DISJOINTED comments.

The Guardian is not considered a stellar preformer in accurate reporting.

Could you possibly come up with a worse comment to refute the FACTS & EVIDENCE?

Bella-Angelique & Aztec, your post is the world's greatest proof of reincarnation, no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. You should offer your posting style to hospital operating theatres as a highly-effective alternative to unconsciousness-inducing medications.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension. To quote Martin Luther King, "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

As Urban Legend has said, dont take his word for it, do your research on the various issues he has posted, you may be surprised that various news media have covered these topics.

Please by all means try to disprove us CONSPIRACY REALISTS wrong on the facts raised in the article.

Cheers

BZRK :tu:

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Reincarnated

Keith Olberman Rules!

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An Urban Legend

You know its funny, all these people who disbelieve that 9/11 was inside job and actually believe this silly "War on Terrorism" is real claim time after time, "oh your just rambling and distorting the facts to fit your theory" yet NOT ONE of you actually rebutalled anything that was stated in the article. You just sit here and claim "oh its ramblings and ect", Im telling you.........SHOW ME HOW IM WRONG. I dont have time for theories, I deal with facts.

Im distorting the truth?

What's distorted about anything I said. It's reported mainstream, by many sources yet all you can do is deny.

*Fact* Muhammad Atta was wired 100,000 dollars by the Head of The ISI General Mahmoud Ahmed before 9/11. He has the money wired through the same guy who supposedly killed Daniel Pearl. The same General was having breakfast meetings in Washington with the top of the brass of our government. *Fact*

Source: The Pakistani Connection

Dick Cheney, LIED, and Cherry Picked Intelligence to support a war with Iraq when we had no basis to be there. He deceptively sold a lie to the American people. CBS reported this! Im damn near quoting the words from they're mouths, im not distorting anything, Im reporting it to all of these people who deny the truth and to those who dont know whats going on in this country. The Bush Administration intentionally used 9/11 as a pretext to get into the Middle East to accomplish they're PNAC objectives. They linked Saddam,9/11, and Osama, together, and got the people to rally behind that cleaverly crafted lie. CBS News Documentary

*War on Terrorism is Bogus* PNAC, and the War On Terrorism

Willful Ignorance........

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BZRK

Same old information, same old conclusion. The thought that the government killed its own people to gain some fantastic goal, is preposterous. It is good to see that not many people are buying this fantasy.

Every conspiracy is the same, facts taken, other facts ignored, just so that the theory fits. This conspiracy goes further than most though. The amount of people who would need to be involved in a cover-up is hundreds if not thousands.

Believe whatever you would like to believe, I can’t change your mind. Next time though you may want to rethink your approach, and the presentation of your information. Lots of good points, neatly fitting into your theory. Try presenting the facts, all of them not a selected few, and let the reader make up their own mind. Don’t force your views down my throat and I won’t force my boot down yours.

God Bless America!

Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever, you go and post another.

Trying to get something of value out of your post is like trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple. If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. However, I'll consider letting you have the last word if you guarantee it will be your last.

What possessed you to think that you were capable of being entertaining or interesting to read? Any friend of yours is a lousy judge of character. Seriously, I've come across decomposing dog carcases that are less offensive to the senses than you are.

You really amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted gibberish! You must have a very large brain to hold such a vast amount of sheer ignorance.

I suggest the next time that you feel an urge to embarrass yourself and bore others, that you summon all your might, and resist.

In future, wake up the dozy peglegged hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing.

in closing, please prove the article wrong by all means, just dont be so ignorant about it without doing your research.

Cheers

BZRK :tu:

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UncleSam1776

Something I said struck close to home. There was no reason to take offense to anything I said. Is there any type of administrators who control these types of remarks?

I don't actually see you saying anything but how stupid my post is. What part do you find so offensive and stupid? Is it the parts where I say make your own choice, or maybe when I say this information has all been seen before?

I said that I won't be able to change your minds, just like you can't change mine. I have given this type of theory a chance, only to see how ridiculous it is. Now I have looked at all the information and have come to my conclusion. Have you looked at all the information or just what fits your theories?

God Bless America!

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Fate

"All truth passes through three stages:

First, it is ridiculed;

Second, it is violently opposed; and

Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

I used to think this was crazy talk. Then I read about the mercury in vaccines causing autism, and I read internal government e-mails that showed a clear cover-up. I dug a little more, which led to research on 9-11, and I came to believe the conspiracy was true. It is not just the lack of airplane parts and chared grass at the pentagon, or the eyewitness testimony at ground zero, or the standown by Norad(remember Payne Stewart's plane being intercepted in 15 minutes?) Or wtc7 falling due to a small fire. It was a combination of everything, and the lack of good science refuting the evidence. While the evidence for government involvment in the attacks are strong, the evidence for demolitions and thermite being used at the WTC is indesputable. Open air fires can't melt steel, and buildings don't fall at freefall speed into their own footprints if there is resistance involved. To believe this would be to suspend ones belief in the laws of physics. If you have any suspicion at all that such a monstrous event could have been carried out by your government, it is your duty as Americans and patriots to research it and face the truth, no matter how horrible it may be.

I didn't want to believe this conspiracy, but I took a friends challenge and researched the evidence myself. I think the doubters should do the same, and then make their own conclusions.

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