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Lizardian_guy

On Sept 11th, 2001 this same ISI Head General who wired Atta this money, was in Washington having a series of top level meetings with the White House, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, George Tenant at the time Head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman the under secretary of state of political affairs.

All right, I stopped reading there. I'm not even going to point out how the things before that part were stupid, but I'd like to know his sources on that. Cause if you ask me, his source for most of his "facts" is his ass, if you know what I mean.

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BZRK

Something I said struck close to home. There was no reason to take offense to anything I said. Is there any type of administrators who control these types of remarks?

I don't actually see you saying anything but how stupid my post is. What part do you find so offensive and stupid? Is it the parts where I say make your own choice, or maybe when I say this information has all been seen before?

I said that I won't be able to change your minds, just like you can't change mine. I have given this type of theory a chance, only to see how ridiculous it is. Now I have looked at all the information and have come to my conclusion. Have you looked at all the information or just what fits your theories?

God Bless America!

Theory with evidence is not a THEORY but a Conspiracy.

Same old information, same old conclusion. The thought that the government killed its own people to gain some fantastic goal, is preposterous. It is good to see that not many people are buying this fantasy.

It is with this quote by your self that really astonishes me. Your ignorence is encyclopedic.

You do say you have looked at all the information and have come to your own conclusion, what is your conclusion? That 9/11 was not an inside job? :blink:

Maybe you should do your research on the facts inside the article or are you ignoring it for fear of knowing the truth?

Please disprove the facts in the Article wrong point by point.

I await your debunking of facts in the article.

Cheers

BZRK :tu:

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positron

No, Alex Jones does a good job of reporting all these facts, but I would rather have the people read about it directly from my source itself. They arent distorted theories or ramblings, they are facts, and and its all reported mainstream; go distort that, you might want to call us who support these facts conspiracy theorist but you arent disproving not one of these reported facts, all you can do is come up with funny insults.

* Bush Sr.(the president's dad) was having a meeting with Osama Bin Ladins brother in Washinton D.C at a hotel. Bin Ladins brother was the Carlyle Group's guest of honor.

Dark Heart of the American Dream

*Muhammad Atta was wired 100,000 dollars from the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmed, through the guy who supposedly killed Daniel Pearl "Omar Sheikh".

The Pakistani Connection

*Bin Ladin was never the goal of the "War on Terror". The goal of the War on Terror is to accomplish objectives in the Project for New American Century documents. Note* Had 9/11 never occured, accomplishing these objectives in the PNAC would be next to impossible and would take time far beyond our lifetime. Pakistan offered to extradict Bin Ladin for 9/11 and the U.S rejected him. They want you to believe Middle Eastern fundamentalist attacked America and brought down the Twin Towers and attacked the Pentagon, but at the same time didnt know they would actually be helping American politicans(namely PNAC MEMBERS) carry out PNAC objectives that they had no way of accomplishing without 9/11!!

The War on Terrorism Is Bogus (London Guardian)

28 year Cia Veteran Ray Mcgovern, Former British Parliment Member Michael Meacher, speak on 9/11

*Vice President Dick Chaney, had a special group created for Cherry Picking information to support a war on Iraq. It was reportedly created by Rumsfield but it was called " The O.S.P Office Of Special Plans". Greg Fieldman an intelligence specialist with the State Department stated Dick Chaney had intelligence for Iraq Cherry picked. Also it has how Ahmed Chalabi” was paid over 300,000 dollars a month to give reports to O.S.P about Iraq. For proof pertaining to all of that GO here---->

Dick Cheney O.S.P and Cherry Picking

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positron

I always mess up, however I also believe this was a conspiracy. To those of them who don't,I feel sorry for them

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Lizardian_guy

Yeah, I'm not seeing the source about that meeting with the CIA anywhere. Nice try though.

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An Urban Legend
All right, I stopped reading there. I'm not even going to point out how the things before that part were stupid, but I'd like to know his sources on that. Cause if you ask me, his source for most of his "facts" is his ass, if you know what I mean.
I already posted it! Do you READ ANYTHING??? But for your sake I'll post it again!

ACTUALLY *READ* this, its in the second paragraph

And I just love the insults instead of an intellectual rebutal! Go there and read instead of consistantly coming back claiming the information is not there.

Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?

Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?

-Michael Meacher Former British Parlament Member Edited by An Urban Legend

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BZRK

All right, I stopped reading there. I'm not even going to point out how the things before that part were stupid, but I'd like to know his sources on that. Cause if you ask me, his source for most of his "facts" is his ass, if you know what I mean.

Congratulations! You have just proved the theory that there is no limit to human stupidity.

Clearly you have lost your fingertip grip on reality and have descended into an abyss of irreversible lunacy. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself on UM. If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

If you open your eyes and look a few posts back you may find a few links that you may look up on, but then again dont take the article as being gospel do your own research.

But here are a few:

Link - Scrol down for "Alleged connection to 9/11" and click on the links

Link

Link

The full area of your ignorance is not yet mapped. You know so little and know it so fluently.

Please prove the article wrong.

Cheers

BZRK :tu:

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Lizardian_guy

Sorry, tired and got a big headache, so I must have skipped it.

However, the article you posted doesn't seem to have sources either. Unless I see someone with a proof that it happened, I'm considering this meeting to exist only in the head of several people.

If you want a point by point rebuttal of the first post, hang around, I'll try to do it this week-end when I'll have more free time. Now, for the sake of my head, I'll just call bull on this, as EVERY single argument people ever come up with is bull, I rebutt them, they don't reply, then they just repost the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

So, stick around, I'd say til saturday or sunday, and I'll even dedicate a whole thread to it which will be named "Why 9/11 is just a terrorist attack". If I feel like it, I might even do it tomorrow. But please, not right now.

For now, chew on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sheikh

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

Good night.

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An Urban Legend

Sorry, tired and got a big headache, so I must have skipped it.

However, the article you posted doesn't seem to have sources either. Unless I see someone with a proof that it happened, I'm considering this meeting to exist only in the head of several people.

If you want a point by point rebuttal of the first post, hang around, I'll try to do it this week-end when I'll have more free time. Now, for the sake of my head, I'll just call bull on this, as EVERY single argument people ever come up with is bull, I rebutt them, they don't reply, then they just repost the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

So, stick around, I'd say til saturday or sunday, and I'll even dedicate a whole thread to it which will be named "Why 9/11 is just a terrorist attack". If I feel like it, I might even do it tomorrow. But please, not right now.

For now, chew on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sheikh

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

Good night.

Yeah, your response is as expected. "You may have proved your conclusion but I dont wanna accept it". I've repeatedly post the links and sources, now you want to ask me to post the sources of my source lol. If we took your approach we wouldnt have news period. The Wall Street Journal was the first to report on the money transaction between the head of the ISI and Atta along with the general having meetings in Washington. *This is a FACT*

Then other sources reported on it after it became the least talked about. And this transaction wasnt even mentioned in the 9/11 Comission report, AT ALL. And by the way Loose Change has NOTHING to do with this article. Im not here to argue that the towers were laced with bombs, even though it evidential, the purpose of the article is to prove Criminal Intent on the U.S Governments part and the astronomical amount of coincidence that had to take place for 9/11 to happen and give PNAC members they're pretext they spoke of within the PNAC documents; a new Pearl Harbor.

If your not going to show everyone how the information I posted was incorrect or distorted, remain silent, because all your doing is ranting and raving ignorantly about sources when the sources have been repeated posted.

Edited by An Urban Legend

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Bella-Angelique

I know that Neo-Democrats think that all dark skinned people are backwards tribal children incapable of accomplishing anything on their own without the aid and guidance of a white, preferably New England style, Neo-Democrat god, but this is not the case. They can actually make plans, set appointments, and even get on airplanes to take trips all by their selves.

Pakistanis did not one day appear out out of the jungles in awe to the call of some superior US super villian. These people not only did not just set foot out of the jungle, but they had managed to make their own nukes (Perhaps you have a conspiracy to account for this also since you seem so convinced they are primitives.)

Pakistan has the world's eighth-largest armed forces, which is generally well trained and disciplined. However, budget constraints and nation-building duties have reduced Pakistan's training tempo, which if not reversed, could affect the operational readiness of the armed forces. Likewise, Pakistan has had an increasingly difficult time maintaining their aging fleet of U.S., Chinese, U.K., and French equipment. While industrial capabilities have expanded significantly, limited budget resources and sanctions have significantly constrained the government's efforts to modernize its armed forces.

source

Pakistanis were also in meetings with the Chinese, the U.K., and the French. They had to be to get parts if nothing else and weapons supply exchanges are generally not handled through Walmart but done through meetings and smoozings of various kinds with government officials.

I can clearly see that you have totaly blinded yourself with the 9/11 conspiracy which is great for the Bush bunch, as it makes any real and serious questions concerning Iraq and their behavior connected to that almost impossible to deal with. These 9/11 conspiracies help them, not hurt them, because any time anything about Iraq is attempted they have been provided with gazillions of nut case theories to toss in the way for distraction.

If you had ever had to function within a ridgid chain of command or a profession buried in procedure and documentation you would understand this but since you obviously do not, perhaps this explanation will help. Most governement officies are not run like a Goldie Hawn political party where you can go barefoot and say whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it.

This conspiracy is based upon very few facts with all of the critical and important parts just being stories made up and spun around those facts. It is just one of many and that is why we had a 9/11 commision. I hope you recall that almost all of congress, Republicans and Democrats, stood on the capitol steps that day like a row of shooting gallery ducks to be picked off. Now unless you want to believe that every Democrat and every Republican is also in on "the conspiracy" then you have to believe that at least half of those on the commission were sane enough and intelligent enough to use that opportunity to try to figure out who would like to kill them and who would help them do that.

Believing that 9/11 was an inside job to justify invading Iraq requires suspension of disbelief to the point of insanity and severe psychosis. It rejects the premise that every member in congress and in the intelligence community does not really care much one way or the other whether they get blown up or not this day or the next.

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UncleSam1776

^^^^^

Thank you!

I didn't want to spend the time to tell these people details. I don't see any point in arguing with them.

I do have a problem with the fact that they will not let anyone else have an opposite point of view.

We both know that they will come back with some "proof" that very few people believe. I can't wait to see what is next.

God Bless America!

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Bella-Angelique

Here is the reality of rogue Pakistanis, and they do not need or take any guidance or assistance from the Bush administration.

But according to the Operation Medusa after-action report from NATO commanders, the Taliban-al-Qaeda alliance is not operating in a vacuum against a monolithic Pakistani government. The report notes that 160 interrogated Taliban prisoners taken during the operation “described in detail the ISI’s support to the Taliban,” including massive amounts of arms. During the operation, where the report also says 1,100 Taliban fighters were killed, over 400,000 rounds of ammunition were fired by the Taliban, as well as 2,000 RPG’s(Rocket Propelled Grenades) and over 1,000 mortar rounds. With Pakistani ISI supply and logistical support, the Taliban had set up a one-million-round ammunition dump, assault and suicide bombing training camps and a full field surgical hospital in Panjwai, just 20 miles west of their objective, Kandahar. Said one angry NATO commander, “It is time for an ‘either you are with us or against us’ delivered bluntly to Musharraf at the highest political level.”

Musharraf’s troubles do not end there, as there is additional internal pressure building from terrorist groups angry about a perceived conciliatory stance toward India regarding the long-embattled Kashmir region. Jamaat-e-Islami leader Syed Ali Geelani accused Musharraf of carrying out a US plan for “accomplishing the Indian agenda” in Kashmir. Geelani said that “it is only Pakistan that is unilaterally forwarding proposals for a solution,” a joint Pakistani-Indian control solution that Jamaat-e-Islami and other terrorist groups want no part of.

Only adding to Musharraf’s troubles, the Indian police claim that the Pakistani ISI planned the Mumbai train bombings that were carried out by Lashkar-e-Taiba, killing 186 people.

Source - ThreatsWatch.org

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Aztec Warrior

Who exactly planted the explosives in the towers?

Oh, I forgot. Haliburton did it. :lol:

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Enlightenment

I often see a pattern with these 9/11 conspiracy people.

1. Instead of rational debate, they simply attack people who don't agree with them and call them names.

2. Most of them lack any kind of higher education

3. Any evidence or facts which you provide that doesn't fit into their theory, or challenges their theory is dismissed and you are labled as an idiot, or a secret government agent spreading disinformation

4. They feel special, because out of a world full of "sheep", they feel like the few who have seen the light, and thusly their pathetic life is validated

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Lizardian_guy

Yeah, your response is as expected. "You may have proved your conclusion but I dont wanna accept it".

I'd like to see where I said that. Oh, wait, I didn't. I said I'd give you a real reply this week-end, and you decided to put words in my mouth. Be quiet.

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Fate

I often see a pattern with these 9/11 conspiracy people

1. Instead of rational debate, they simply attack people who don't agree with them and call them names.
No, that is what is done to us.

2. Most of them lack any kind of higher education
I have an Associates Degree, not a phd, but definetely not "uneducated". I have no idea how you came to this conclusion since I do not know you in real life.

3 Any evidence or facts which you provide that doesn't fit into their theory, or challenges their theory is dismissed and you are labled as an idiot, or a secret government agent spreading disinformation
I have yet to see any evidence. Please provide some.

4

They feel special, because out of a world full of "sheep", they feel like the few who have seen the light, and thusly their pathetic life is validated

Uh no. I am really scared as hell. I WANT someone to cnvince me this is not true. Edited by Fate

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Enlightenment

Fate, I'm not bagging on you personally. I'm just letting you know what I've discovered after looking through numerous CT forums. Yes, there are CT'ers with some form of education, but the majority might be hard pressed to show proof of a high school diploma.

There are numerous debunks of the 9/11 theories from reputable scientific sources. In fact, the other day on our University campus there was a lecture from a physicist debunking the 9/11 "truth" theories. Unfortunately I could not attend.

Since you're into research, start researching the other side of the story. I think popular mechanics has some good debunking info, and other sites also. Google them and check it out. There are video's that debunk loose change, etc.

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zukie&jim

the only "proof" i keep seeing is that the warnings --on the side effects labels on RX and OTC medications--where it says --"paranoia and self-delusions are common with this medication."--check your meds people!

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An Urban Legend
I know that Neo-Democrats think that all dark skinned people are backwards tribal children incapable of accomplishing anything on their own without the aid and guidance of a white, preferably New England style, Neo-Democrat god, but this is not the case. They can actually make plans, set appointments, and even get on airplanes to take trips all by their selves.

Pakistanis did not one day appear out out of the jungles in awe to the call of some superior US super villian. These people not only did not just set foot out of the jungle, but they had managed to make their own nukes (Perhaps you have a conspiracy to account for this also since you seem so convinced they are primitives.)

Pakistan has the world's eighth-largest armed forces, which is generally well trained and disciplined. However, budget constraints and nation-building duties have reduced Pakistan's training tempo, which if not reversed, could affect the operational readiness of the armed forces. Likewise, Pakistan has had an increasingly difficult time maintaining their aging fleet of U.S., Chinese, U.K., and French equipment. While industrial capabilities have expanded significantly, limited budget resources and sanctions have significantly constrained the government's efforts to modernize its armed forces.

Pakistanis were also in meetings with the Chinese, the U.K., and the French. They had to be to get parts if nothing else and weapons supply exchanges are generally not handled through Walmart but done through meetings and smoozings of various kinds with government officials.

Bella, I know you wish to believe desperately that by typing all of that and saying the word "Pakistan" once or twice, that some how you made an interesting point, but in actuality, you're supposedly "point" didn’t debunk not one thing stated in the article; nothing. Next time you post try to actually respond to what was stated in the article, not you're own little creative straw man arguments.

This conspiracy is based upon very few facts with all of the critical and important parts just being stories made up and spun around those facts. It is just one of many and that is why we had a 9/11 commision.
Oh yeah, your right very few facts, like the Head of the ISI General Mahmoud Ahmed wired the ringleader Muhammad Atta 100,000 dollars, which was widely reported yet deemed "of little consequence" by the 9/11 (O)Commission Group. You keep ranting and raving all of this rhetoric yet you’re still not providing ANYTHING in rebuttal to the information posted. It would help if you go back to the article, pick a point, and prove how it’s wrong. And uuuuuuuh ooooooo you just hit the nail on the head little Timmy, when something is not factual it’s just being theorized or hypothetisized, but once at least one thing within the supposed theory becomes factual it’s not longer a theory, its a fact, so in this case you just admitted we have a Conspiracy. Conspiracy Theories are only supposed contain just that, theories! Once something is proven to be factual it’s now a Conspiracy.

Believing that 9/11 was an inside job to justify invading Iraq requires suspension of disbelief to the point of insanity and severe psychosis. It rejects the premise that every member in congress and in the intelligence community does not really care much one way or the other whether they get blown up or not this day or the next.
You see, Pleasant Ville thinking people like you always find it soooooooo hard to believe your own government would commit attacks against its own people; you really believe they have your best interest in mind, its exactly the opposite.

Thank you!

I didn't want to spend the time to tell these people details. I don't see any point in arguing with them.

I do have a problem with the fact that they will not let anyone else have an opposite point of view.

We both know that they will come back with some "proof" that very few people believe. I can't wait to see what is next.

Oh yea, I understand you're just the cheerleader from the sidelines......the yes man. "Oh yes, that’s a point for the debunkers, rah rah rah! I didn’t want to spend the time and get made a fool of so I'll just root you on when you make a long post. :tu: "" If your not gonna disprove anything stated I can give you 345452 reasons why you should ****. :innocent:

Here is the reality of rogue Pakistanis, and they do not need or take any guidance or assistance from the Bush administration.

But according to the Operation Medusa after-action report from NATO commanders, the Taliban-al-Qaeda alliance is not operating in a vacuum against a monolithic Pakistani government. The report notes that 160 interrogated Taliban prisoners taken during the operation “described in detail the ISI’s support to the Taliban,” including massive amounts of arms. During the operation, where the report also says 1,100 Taliban fighters were killed, over 400,000 rounds of ammunition were fired by the Taliban, as well as 2,000 RPG’s(Rocket Propelled Grenades) and over 1,000 mortar rounds. With Pakistani ISI supply and logistical support, the Taliban had set up a one-million-round ammunition dump, assault and suicide bombing training camps and a full field surgical hospital in Panjwai, just 20 miles west of their objective, Kandahar. Said one angry NATO commander, “It is time for an ‘either you are with us or against us’ delivered bluntly to Musharraf at the highest political level.”

Musharraf’s troubles do not end there, as there is additional internal pressure building from terrorist groups angry about a perceived conciliatory stance toward India regarding the long-embattled Kashmir region. Jamaat-e-Islami leader Syed Ali Geelani accused Musharraf of carrying out a US plan for “accomplishing the Indian agenda” in Kashmir. Geelani said that “it is only Pakistan that is unilaterally forwarding proposals for a solution,” a joint Pakistani-Indian control solution that Jamaat-e-Islami and other terrorist groups want no part of.

Only adding to Musharraf’s troubles, the Indian police claim that the Pakistani ISI planned the Mumbai train bombings that were carried out by Lashkar-e-Taiba, killing 186 people.

Bella, you see, your trickin' out again; ranting about nothing that corresponds with reality, at least any towards disproving the information in the article. You don’t seem to understand, in your ignorance, that the HEAD OF THE ISI, wired AN ALQUIDA OPERATIVE 100,000 DOLLARS. IF THAT’S NOT DIRECT SUPPORT OF ALQUIDA, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS!

I often see a pattern with these 9/11 conspiracy people.

1. Instead of rational debate, they simply attack people who don't agree with them and call them names.

2. Most of them lack any kind of higher education

3. Any evidence or facts which you provide that doesn't fit into their theory, or challenges their theory is dismissed and you are labled as an idiot, or a secret government agent spreading disinformation

Enlightenment, hehe, thats an interesting alias, despite you being the FAREST thing from Enlightened on ANY subject talked about. :rolleyes: You fail to realize that a "rational debate" is impossible when "debunkers" just repeat the same old post and rhetoric not addressing anything stated, but instead just voice they're OPINION on "how could people believe such a thing.............followed by an implied insult". See you're a perfect example, stating that most people who don’t believe in the official fairy tale lack any kind of higher education, I guess Steven E. Jones, and Kevin Ryan of UL are such those people................right. Next time, debunk us...........

I'd like to see where I said that. Oh, wait, I didn't. I said I'd give you a real reply this week-end, and you decided to put words in my mouth. Be quiet.

:w00t: you're ignorant. I said “You post is as expected, meaning, everything you said summarized up to, "You may have proved you conclusion but I dont want to accept it". Read carefully Jr........ :mellow:

Fate, I'm not bagging on you personally. I'm just letting you know what I've discovered after looking through numerous CT forums. Yes, there are CT'ers with some form of education, but the majority might be hard pressed to show proof of a high school diploma.

There are numerous debunks of the 9/11 theories from reputable scientific sources. In fact, the other day on our University campus there was a lecture from a physicist debunking the 9/11 "truth" theories. Unfortunately I could not attend.

Since you're into research, start researching the other side of the story. I think popular mechanics has some good debunking info, and other sites also. Google them and check it out. There are video's that debunk loose change, etc.

"Yeah Fate, and on the other hand IGNORE all the other reputable scientific sources, physicist, engineers, and ect who DO support the 9/11 conspiracy."

:tu:

the only "proof" i keep seeing is that the warnings --on the side effects labels on RX and OTC medications--where it says --"paranoia and self-delusions are common with this medication."--check your meds people!
Good! Good! Just like that, insulting rhetoric. :tu:

Seriously people, not ONE person in this thread against the information posted disproved it; AT ALL. We just keep getting insults, rhetoric, personal opinions on the people who believe such things, and then it starts from the beginning again; one nice big circle. Sitting in front of a computer wasting time and energy on intellectually inept people is futile to me; nothings getting accomplished either way. It wouldn’t be such a waste if you intellectually rebuttal which points you think are incorrect without making one insult or rhetorical comment. Until then..........Remain in ignorance.

Edited by An Urban Legend

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UncleSam1776

Exactly the pointless rambling I expected from you. Great job absolutely ignoring the facts that Bella-Angelique put out there. That is the reason why it is useless to debate with you people; you don't see reason even when it is shoved under your nose. After all you asked for some type of information to disprove you.

Bella-Angelique did a great job in a short amount of time. It is your problem that you choose to ignore the points made. You, after all, did ask for someone to put up some information to disprove you. Bella-Angelique did a great job in putting holes into just one of your little theories. I feel sorry for you that you choose to ignore the facts.

Have a great time living in your little paranoid world, I really do hope you wake up one day and realize what a fool you are.

God Bless America!

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Aztec Warrior

How can any "rational" thinking person ever hope to debunk a load of crap. The sources are crap and so are the conclusions.

The Guardian and Youtube just don't cut it as legimitate sources. Take those away and what do you have. Nada.

And the constant repetition of the same tired old articles, just turns off most people. Perhaps posting ONE legimate source might help. Doubtful.

Oh, and who cares where Atta got the money? And if you say he is still alive and kicking, then this thread has become even more useless than when it started. :yes:

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UncleSam1776

OK here is a question for you.

Please explain how out of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would need to be involved in a cover-up, a single person has never once come forward? Please explain how the media would not report this on a reliable source? The person who uncovered a conspiracy this large would be world famous even after they were long dead.

Explain how the 9/11 commission didn't come to the same conclusion that you are? They had access to information that you will never see.

This time try posting your response in a sane way. No more of these rambling comments on how we need to disprove you. You need to prove your point, and your little article just doesn't cut it. You posted here trying to get people to come to your beliefs.

Like I have said before I have looked at all the information, not just the conspiracy side. You seem to have overlooked a lot of information on this subject.

Answer my questions and prove to me that 9/11 really was an inside job. Because you’re "proof" that you have offered is nothing more than a few facts put together into a crazed conspiracy theory.

God Bless America!

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BZRK

OK here is a question for you.

Please explain how out of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would need to be involved in a cover-up, a single person has never once come forward? Please explain how the media would not report this on a reliable source? The person who uncovered a conspiracy this large would be world famous even after they were long dead.

Explain how the 9/11 commission didn't come to the same conclusion that you are? They had access to information that you will never see.

This time try posting your response in a sane way. No more of these rambling comments on how we need to disprove you. You need to prove your point, and your little article just doesn't cut it. You posted here trying to get people to come to your beliefs.

Like I have said before I have looked at all the information, not just the conspiracy side. You seem to have overlooked a lot of information on this subject.

Answer my questions and prove to me that 9/11 really was an inside job. Because you’re "proof" that you have offered is nothing more than a few facts put together into a crazed conspiracy theory.

God Bless America!

As usual you have not answered my question on debunking the facts inside the article.

Stay on topic and prove the article wrong, and then i will answer your questions with an entirely different topic which i will create. This topic is on the article and the facts within the article, your claiming the article just doesnt cut it, the prove the article wrong, post some links evidence to prove the facts of the article wrong.

If i have overlooked alot of information about this topic then surely you will find it easy to prove this article wrong? RIGHT? or are you just talking out of your ass as usual.....

Aztec & Uncle Sam, both of you have failed miserably in proving the article wrong.

Unclesam, prove the facts in the article wrong, failure to do so, is an act of ignorence.

If the article is so wrong, and you guys are right that the government was not someway involved in 9/11, then you will have no problem disproving the article. :blink:

I will not answer your questions until the debunking of this article is complete.

STAY ON TOPIC! :tu:

Cheers

BZRK

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An Urban Legend
OK here is a question for you.

Please explain how out of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would need to be involved in a cover-up, a single person has never once come forward?

I find it utterly amazing that you would believe its absolutely impossible for a conspiracy to take place and have people not know about it. Really, you act as if the entire government, including each member of each division and subdivision would have to know about this. In fact, they're knowing is not required for a conspiracy to take place.

Conspiracy- 1.the act of conspiring.

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3.a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.

It wouldn’t be called a Conspiracy or a secret if every single person knew about it now wouldn’t it!? It only takes a select few orchestrating it to have knowledge of what’s going on not an entire party.

And to CORRECT you, MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD! LONG SENSE PAST! I advice you to go take a look at Sunofones Thread on Whistleblowers. Every person who comes forward all you "debunkers" do is dismiss them as a noncredible source. Former British Parliament member Michael Meacher is not credible, 28 YEAR CIA VETERAN and Presidential Advisor Ray McGovern is not credible, Robert Wright who wrote a 500+ page manuscript on Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission is not credible, Fbi Whistleblower Sibbel Edmonds is not credible. You people are absolutely ridiculous in maintaining the lies in what happened on 9/11 and after. There have been many people who have came forward and stated there is a conspiracy or that the government committed terrorism against its own people yet all you people do is IGNORE ,DENY, or dismiss they're credibility.

So with that being said, how can anyone in support of a government conspiracy be proven correct if anything presented as evidence or proof is biasly dismissed??

Read it! Whistle Blowers

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UncleSam1776

Wow!!!!

I knew you couldn't answer my questions. IMO, your debunked. Have fun in your little conspiracy world. I will continue to live in the real world where I actually worry about real problems.

God Bless America!

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