Ahmadinejad Threatens Europe

[Erikl]

Iran says Europe may get hurt for backing Israel

By Alireza Ronaghi 1 hour, 10 minutes ago

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Friday Europe was stirring up hatred in the Middle East by supporting

Israel and warned it "may get hurt" if anger in the region boiled over.

"You should believe that this regime (Israel) cannot last and has no more benefit to you. What benefit have you got in supporting this regime, except the hatred of the nations?" he said in a speech broadcast on state radio.

"We have advised the Europeans that the Americans are far away, but you are the neighbors of the nations in this region. We inform you that the nations are like an ocean that is welling up, and if a storm begins, the dimensions will not stay limited to Palestine, and you may get hurt."

Ahmadinejad caused outrage in the West last year by calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map," echoing comments by the Islamic Republic's late founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

He has not since repeated that phrase but regularly launches verbal attacks on Israel, whose right to exist

Iran has not recognized since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

"Today, with the grace of God, the efforts to establish this fake regime have failed totally," he said in Friday's speech to mark Qods Day (Jerusalem Day) when Iranians are officially encouraged to demonstrate in support of the Palestinians.

Iran is accused by the West of seeking to develop nuclear weapons. It insists it wants nuclear power only to generate electricity. Ahmadinejad said in August Iran was not a threat to any country, "not even to the Zionist regime."

IRAN "CONSISTENT"

A spokesman for British Prime Minister

Tony Blair said in response to Ahmadinejad's speech: "Unfortunately these remarks do not come as a surprise. They are consistent with what Mr Ahmadinejad has said for some time...

"It's why we take the issue of Iran in general so seriously and the possibility of it acquiring nuclear weaponry so seriously and why the prime minister believes the world must be as united in its message to Iran as it has been in its message to

North Korea.

"That is why we will continue to push for and work toward a U.N. resolution (on sanctions against Iran) in New York."

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said in a statement: "I condemn the unacceptable comments made today by the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in which he again calls into question the existence of the state of Israel."

Iranian state television showed crowds on Friday waving banners with pictures of Khomeini and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah.

Iran described Israel's July war with Lebanon as a victory for Hezbollah. "The false myth (of Israel being invincible) has fallen by the will of the Palestinian youth and the faithful warriors of Hezbollah," Ahmadinejad said.

The president has drawn condemnation from the West and Israel by describing the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, as a "myth." This is another phrase he has not repeated, but he regularly questions the Holocaust.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in May Iran's leaders had turned Israel "into a target for annihilation." Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said in April Iran's nuclear program was the biggest threat to Jews since the Holocaust.

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Europe supports Israel?

[Bella-Angelique]

Europe supports Israel?

I think he must have liked being at a podium with the nations of the world at his feet more than a little. For a man with aspirations of an empire, any excuse will do. Europe is closer, weaker in his eyes, and a better target if islamic conquest is his goal.

[Saint Macabre]

Europe supports Israel?

That's exactly what I was thinking...

[Pinky Floyd]

And people say that his nuclear ambitions are peaceful.

This guy has to be stopped. If the US does it, we will be condemned. If somebody doesn't, alot of people in Europe may get smoked by this ***hat for 'supporting' Israel (which I take as merely recogizing Israel).

This is the jack-ass that will start WW3. Mark my words. I may be wrong, but I don't think that I am. Let him get a bomb and he will do it. He's planning on a huge suicide run against Israel with all of Iran. Blow up Tel Aviv and wait for the Nuclear response, knowing damn well that a nuclear rsponse from Israel, even in retaliation for a first strike on Israel, will result in all out response from all of the other Islamic nations. The end result? The annihlation of Israel, and all it took was 30 million people. Most of them Muslim.

Why do you think that the Radical Islam fueled goverment of Iran has been propogating a 'martyrdom' mentality within it's borders for years now??

Edited October 20, 2006 by Pinky Floyd

[Saint Macabre]

If the US does it, we will be condemned

Meh, I think we already past that point...

But you're right, something needs to be done...how, I don't know...

Edited October 20, 2006 by Saint Macabre

[Bella-Angelique]

Well Pinky, things have changed. The US will be lucky to save itself and take a stand in the Western Hemisphere. Whatever we do will have to be with the approval of China and Japan from now on as it looks to be for the forseable future.

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by Mark Whitehouse in the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. Foreign Debt Shows Its Teeth As Rates Climb – Net Payments Remain Small But Pose Long-Term Threat To Nation’s Living Standards

Over the past several years, Americans and their government enjoyed one of the best deals in international finance: They borrowed trillions of dollars from abroad to buy flat-panel TVs, build homes and fight wars, but as those borrowings mounted, the nation’s payments on its net foreign debt barely budged.

Now, however, the easy money is coming to an end. As interest rates rise, America’s debt payments are starting to climb—so much so that for the first time in at least 90 years, the U.S. is paying noticeably more to its foreign creditors than it receives from its investments abroad. The gap reached $2.5 billion in the second quarter of 2006. In effect, the U.S. made a quarterly debt payment of about $22 for each American household, a turnaround from the $31 in net investment income per household it received a year earlier.

Please note the bit about

“…for the first time in at least 90 years, the U.S. is paying noticeably more to its foreign creditors than it receives from its investments abroad.”

This is not the same old refrain about trade and budget deficits. This is new, at least if you’re less than about 110 or so years old, and may represent a major tipping point in America’s economic and power relationship with the rest of the world.

What’s happened is that budget and trade deficits have combined to make the U.S. a net debtor nation paying more in interest to other nations than it receives in earnings from overseas investments. This is the result of large budget deficits that were financed by foreign nationals and foreign nations buying U.S. Treasury instruments with all those extra dollars they had accumulated selling us all that oil and all those consumer goods that we so covet. In other words, folks, we no longer owe our national debt to ourselves. We owe it to others to a greater extent than they owe us. source

[Pinky Floyd]

And what happens if we default? They are screwed.

[AROCES]

- I can see no reason why Mahmoud would not provide a group like the Hezbollah a WMD to strike at Israel. I would say it is just a matter of time, the question is what the Western world would do?

[Cinders]

I just watched a bit about him on BBC News this morning (still tryng to get that bit of video news uploaded) In the video it also says that the US & UK should pay for the holocaust... and of course he also spoke more on the nukes etc.

Just amazing .. and he is the same guy that is limiting Iran citizens internet connection speeds.. recent article found here: Iran bans fast internet to cut west's influence

Why isn't CNN, FOX, MSNBC etc covering any of this?? Thank heavens I record the BBC news on PBS otherwise I might not hear of any of this sort of news!

OT---- BTW for folks in the US, on this BBC news bit I am uploading, they found more 9/11 body parts at ground zero when repairing a broken manhole, near the podium where family's read out the dead names each year. I haven't heard anything on that when watching CNN, ABC, FOX, etc.. very strange!

[Talon]

We should take that as a threat and bomb the crap out of them. And none of this namby pamby bombing we did in Iraq where we only attacked military targets, I'm talking about picking out the top 10 cities and turning them to ash with nukes and then use the smaller cities as target practice for all our new untested black technology.

He wants WMDs we should give him WMDs. He thinks the holocaust is just a hoax- fine - we'll make a new holocaust which will make the old one look like nothing at all. We should wipe out their entire population to make a point to rest of the anti-western nations.

I'm so sick of this PC Europe which sits back and takes everything, I want the EU to return to the old Europe which went out there conquered 90% of the globe. Lets go back to the days where if you ****ed with us, we shot you and stole your country. And our grand return to the old days should be opened with the complete extermination of this mad-man on our border who has threatened our continent and the people who put him in power.

Edited October 20, 2006 by Talon

[Saint Macabre]

but it isn't that simple ...I mean, we could do it, but what about the innocent people? What would the consequences be?...Some would say: "Well, they don't care about innocents, or else they wouldn't be saying or doing the things they do."

But should we be like them?...

[AROCES]

but it isn't that simple ...I mean, we could do it, but what about the innocent people? What would the consequences be?...Some would say: "Well, they don't care about innocents, or else they wouldn't be saying or doing the things they do."

But should we be like them?...

- Well it's either our innocent people(that includes you and me) or theirs.

Take your pick!

Edited October 21, 2006 by AROCES

[Talon]

I cannot express enough to you enough how little I care about ‘innocents’ living in a nation which has threatened to kill millions of innocents in my own country.

Edited October 20, 2006 by Talon

[Saint Macabre]

Ah...hmmm...

I have to admit, that kind of sentiment is a bit distubing...

A small part of me understands where you are coming from...Sometimes I even think to myself "Screw 'em all, we need to protect our own country."

Although, from your last post, I don't think you care about this, but can nuking and bombing without prejudice be justified?...

I know the world's an ugly place filled with nasty people, maybe I'm just too optimistic and idealistic...*shrug*

Edited October 21, 2006 by Saint Macabre

[Seraphina]

I agree and disagree with Talon...on the one hand, his idea sounds alright by me. In fact, I would expand upon it...I would make it perfectly clear that the next time there was a terrorist attack against the western world, the home countries of the terrorists would recieve the same treatment.

It's the Israel situation...a few years ago, I was very much against Israel. I saw their heavy handed approach against the Palestinians for the actions of a few terrorists as entirerly unjust; I would argue for pages and pages in favour of the Palestinians...these days, I just don't care. Why don't I care? Because the Muslim world has demonised itself, and has made every effort to make an enemy of the west, to seperate itself from the west within western countries (Is that a political cartoon? Raaah! Let's riot!), and has simply made me utterly incapable of feeling any sympathy for it.

I feel the time has come for a far more heavy handed approach...if we can't get them to shut up, then we'll just demonstrate properly that God/Allah is certainly not on their side...as far as they need be concerned, the West is God.

[Al Bundy]

I think your country doesn't get weapons and training from Europe but from the US and A.

I too have heard Isreal used some sort of experimental weapon on Palestinians.

It was in the news last couple of days. And Erikl. Proud supporter of Isreal. What do you think of it?

[Cinders]

Like many that run for leadership whether in the USA, UK, or where ever, when they make speeches to win peoples votes, they often make "promises" that turn out to be "empty promises". As what Ahmadinejad did.

I read this interesting article.. and it mentions this bit:

"To use an American slogan: "It's the economy, stupid." To an impoverished nation, Ahmadinejad made seductive promises about creating jobs, increasing student loans, and introducing low-interest mortgages. In short, the people cast ballots for bread, not nukes."

Full article from May 18, 2006 HERE

I am not by any means sticking up for this religious nutjob who hopes to "cleanse the world with blood", but I do feel very bad for many of Iran's INNOCENT people. For that matter, I feel bad for ALL of us to have to put up with this sort of guy. It's scary.. really scary.

Also what bugs me is the recent interview he had with Mike Wallace or rather "frustrating interview" back in August 2006. Whether one watched the long version of this from CSPAN or the shorter version of this from CBS 60 minutes.. then you watch things and read things about the guy when he speaks at a rally in Tehran..

(I uploaded the short 23 CBS version here if anyone would like to see it: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaim8_wal...-iran-president )

This man is sooo TWO faced... one face he will show to the Americans etc.. then a different one to his people like what we read and see today.

Doesn't he know others can TRANSLATE what he says and we get it here?? That's another thing too.. I just hope those that translate what he says (like what I saw on BBC today) is what he really is saying..

Know what I mean?

BTW, not sure if anyone is interested, but I uploaded the video bit of the BBC NEWS HERE (note: if the video hangs, hit pause for a bit then hit play)

After the first 16 seconds of the video, it then goes into the news about Ahmadinejad...(read the banner parts at the bottom as well while you watch it too - that is where it says: "The US & UK should pay for holocaust" )

Edited October 20, 2006 by Cinders

[Erikl]

And Erikl. Proud supporter of Isreal. What do you think of it?

Lol well I'm not only a proud supporter of Israel, I am an Israeli .

What do I think about all of this?

Well, I disagree with Talon.

I don't think the total extermination of the Iranian people and their leader will solve the problem. Well - it will ofcourse, but that's not the point.

One of the things that seperates us from these ideologies practices by Ahmadinejad and his likes, is that we have the higher ground in moral and just. That morality and democracy is the very thing that defines the modern Western world, and the very thing that prevents another era of Crusades to begin.

I don't think the Persians deserved to be wiped out of the face of this earth. As a matter of fact, I don't think any nation deserves this. And if you want to look on the political considerations of such an act - I think it'll just prompt more anti-Western countries to develop nuclear weapons faster inorder to prevent a future attack like that on them.

The solution is to destroy Hezbollah, their proxy military branch, then change the regime in Syria, then you'll be living Iran all alone and cornered, making it possible to attack their nuclear facilities without serious retaliation.

[shikon1]

I just watched a bit about him on BBC News this morning (still tryng to get that bit of video news uploaded) In the video it also says that the US & UK should pay for the holocaust... and of course he also spoke more on the nukes etc.

Just amazing .. and he is the same guy that is limiting Iran citizens internet connection speeds.. recent article found here: Iran bans fast internet to cut west's influence

Why isn't CNN, FOX, MSNBC etc covering any of this?? Thank heavens I record the BBC news on PBS otherwise I might not hear of any of this sort of news!

OT---- BTW for folks in the US, on this BBC news bit I am uploading, they found more 9/11 body parts at ground zero when repairing a broken manhole, near the podium where family's read out the dead names each year. I haven't heard anything on that when watching CNN, ABC, FOX, etc.. very strange!

Heh, what ever happened to "There is no proof the Holocaust happened." ? Or maybe he's saying we should pay because we stopped the holocaust.

[Talon]

Like many that run for leadership whether in the USA, UK, or where ever, when they make speeches to win peoples votes, they often make "promises" that turn out to be "empty promises". As what Ahmadinejad did.

Indeed, people claimed Hitler's speeches were empty and just propaganda. When Hitler wrote in Mien Kampf in 1923 that he would take out Russia and France, people ignored it; when he said he would deport all the Jews, people ignored it... in fact there is a wealth of evidence even Jews voted Hitler into power because they believed he was just trying to catch the anti-Semitic vote and didn't actually mean it; and then when Hitler started gobbling up the smaller European states with his constant lies afterwards that he would never do it again, people believed it and though 'He's not such a bad guy' and there will be 'peace in our life time'. And what was the result of believing Hitler was just all talk? 6 years of war and 62 million dead.

So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not so quick to believe that a religious madman trying to make Nukes while threatening to destroy the western heretics, is just trying to win some votes.