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6 Muslim leaders put off plane in TwinCities

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__Kratos__

I hope you see my point.

Why? Your point is just wrong. Christians aren't backed up by their faith in those bombings. Muslims are supported and backed 100% by their faith in their deeds.

I bet this would have been no big deal if the clerics had just followed instructions from the workers on the empty seats and if they hadn't refused the questioning. My aunt's friend that have recently flown and she got questioned shortly and she is not Muslim... But hey... I suppose I could twist that... "Air companies hate white people!!!! :angry2: " :rolleyes:

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frogfish
Christians aren't backed up by their faith in those bombings.

I have seen many verses in the Bible about those who don't believe will be eternally damned :tu:

Why don't you look at the whole religion, instead of a few crazy radicals?

I bet this would have been no big deal if the clerics had just followed instructions from the workers on the empty seats and if they hadn't refused the questioning

Let's see how you react when you get kicked of a plane for something ridiculous...

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__Kratos__

I have seen many verses in the Bible about those who don't believe will be eternally damned :tu:

Why don't you look at the whole religion, instead of a few crazy radicals?

Yeah... But what does that have to do with bombings and violence?

Oh, I do look at the religion... The common Muslim is suppose to fight in some way, not make friends with infidels, treat women like crap, have backward ways that hold back humanity and more.

The killing part is only a part of the religion.

Let's see how you react when you get kicked of a plane for something ridiculous...

Something ridiculous? They were acting odd... If you read it wasn't just because they were praying and chanting.

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SilverCougar

If by odd you mean praying... then everyone who prays reguardless of religion and faith should be pulled out of the plane and humiliated.

It never stops amusing me how fear makes people react...

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__Kratos__

If by odd you mean praying...

I didn't.

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bLu3 de 3n3rgy

I've made it clear in the past that I'm quickly losing sympathy for Islam in any and all social and political arenas...I'm so sick of them constantly whining, blowing themselves up, demanding that we change our culture to fit them, and so on and so forth...so it shouldn't be too surprising that I don't feel much sympathy for this lot.

In the current political climate, a group of muslims getting down on their knees and starting chanting to allah on a plane is perhaps the single most idiotic thing they could have done, short of starting to fiddle with unidentifiable technical equipment, while making explosion sound effects to each other. They should have realised it would make other passengers uncomfortable and, if they honestly can't go the length of the flight without their prayers, then they should have made the airline aware of this, and reached some kind of accommodation.

Gosh well said seraphina :tu: - If I was on a plane even in my diazipam seditive state I would run a mile if I saw 6 muslims get down and chant/pray :blink: :blink: crikey

The point is in this climate it's a very out of context behaviour ON A PLANE and not everyone realises that a muslim may just be praying.

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Bone_Collector

If you ever need proof of ignorance in this world then this thread would be a good place to look. There are so many ridiculous posts in this thread that I can't possibly quote all of them and reply.

Firstly, it was quite stupid of these muslims to start praying in a plane, and that too in a foreign country, knowing how paranoid people are getting nowadays when it comes to anything related to Islam.

Muslims behaving oddly? Christ! That's the way they pray. Muslim mannerisms may appear odd to christians, just like christian mannerisms appear odd to muslims. That's no reason to insult people and throw them off planes.

The authorities could've told the muslims about other passengers concerns and politely asked them to stop these prayers, if they were still in doubt, they could've checked them. These people paid their fare and have a right to travel, you just can't ask them to leave just because they're praying!

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odas

And I've never seen a topic about Muslims getting down on their hands and knees and praying when a plane is about to take off...

Could any Muslims on the site give me a little information...it's my understanding that, although you are required to pray so many times a day, there isn't actually an exact time you're supposed to do it, correct? It's something like...morning, afternoon, evening...and so on, but there's not an actual timeframe. There wasn't a specific law in Islam that demanded these Muslims start their prayer there and then...

It strikes me as a little odd....if Muslims were in the habit of launching into prayer during or immedietly before a plane journey, wouldn't we know about it? I also find it suspiciously convenient that these gentleman pulled their little stunt while the plane was still on the ground...why not simply do it at their hotel room or whatnot?

It seems quite likely to me that these men did what they did knowing it would make other passangers uncomfortable, and at a carefully chosen moment to ensure that they could be removed from the plane...after all, the muslim community can't go a week without having something to whine about, right?

There is not an exact timeline when to pray. It is 5 times a day ( How many westernes can do that? :D ), spread from early morning before sunrise and late evening.

It WAS foolish from them to pray in the Plane, since prayers can be put together, so they would not have missed any.

It WAS foolish from them considering all the circumstances.

But all this does not minimize the ignorance of some members here regarding someones religion especialy Islam.

I heard that Hindus were attacked somewhere because those "though" and "educated"

white westerners who know everything better, thought of them as moslems. :no:

Hats up, frogfish. For your age you are very wise. I see it now. :tu:

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Seraphina
I think the person intending to create a fuss was the person who filed the complaint. Like AT said, they're ignorant (the passenger/s)

Look, I'll try explaining this one more time...

Muslims travel on planes just like anyone else, and have been doing so for years...many hundreds of plane journeys will have had Muslim passangers. If Muslims were in the habit of getting down on their knees and praying in the middle of a plane, then we would know about it. This just isn't normal behaviour...they quite obviously chose the time and place to have their prayer, because they wanted to cause a fuss about it.

As for the people (note, 'people', not 'guy') who made the complaints...can you honestly blame them!? Seriously!? Islam has brought this on itself. I'm sorry if you don't think so, but the fact is that just about every terrorist action in the world today is being carried out by a Muslim fundamentalists. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be on the same plane as these men, and I see no reason why other passangers should be forced to leave if it's the Muslims that are deliberately causing the disruption.

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Unlimited

Wow these forums are becomeing more racistic with every day, heck, just 6 months ago when I was an active member I didnt see so many anti-muslim, anti-non-american topics. :mellow:

Its the european slant...lots of anti-american stuff..and they have a muslim population so.. basically I think it's white european males making most the racist statements..sadly :sleepy:

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IronGhost

Well, now some Muslim organization is considering a boycott of American Airlines to protest the treatment these Imam received ...

...Hey! Wait a minute! Muslims boycotting and refusing to get on airplanes?

Problem solved?

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Seraphina
...Hey! Wait a minute! Muslims boycotting and refusing to get on airplanes?

Sounds like a workable compromise to me :)

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odas

Sounds like a workable compromise to me :)

Not if it is going to hurt the wallet of the kapitalistic pigs. :D

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Seraphina

Nah, there'll be plenty of people to take up the space. Just about every flight ends up overbooked anyway. Muslims probably represent only a small chunk of the punters.

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Phobes

I can see it both ways. People need to remember that only a few short years ago, several planes were hijacked and crashed by Muslims in the name of Allah. Over the last several years, there have been many terrorist attacks worldwide. While it is clear that ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, I can see why some people would be suspicious by their actions.

Someone else (other then Muslim) praying would probably not get the same reaction beacuase as it was already stated, we haven't had a rash of Catholics hijacking airplanes in this country.

That being said, I think the airline handled the situation terribly. They should have quietly contacted the authorities. I'm sure that after a short time they would have figured out that they were not a threat to anyone.

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odas

Nah, there'll be plenty of people to take up the space. Just about every flight ends up overbooked anyway. Muslims probably represent only a small chunk of the punters.

Most probably not a small chunk.

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Seraphina
That being said, I think the airline handled the situation terribly. They should have quietly contacted the authorities. I'm sure that after a short time they would have figured out that they were not a threat to anyone.

They were only arrested after they refused to leave the plane. The likelyhood is that airport security only wanted to double check them before either putting them back on the plane (the plane was delayed three hours anyway because of them), or putting them on a different flight. The only reason they were arrested is because they refused to be cooperative.

Most probably not a small chunk.

A somewhat outdated table on wikipedia shows that, in 2001, Muslims accounted for 0.6% of the US population. While this has likely grown since then, the muslim population in the US will still be negligable. I can't imagine US airlines would notice a sudden dip in profits.

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Aztec Warrior

One thing you all seem to be missing is what these muslims said. Apparently, they were speaking in their native languages and were overheard by a passenger that understood what they were saying. According to the passenger, the group were not only making anti-american statements, but also threatening the plane.

Now, that is a big....no no....in any language. Then refusing the pilot or attendant is a great way to land up in jail.

So they play the tired muslim race card, and most of you just eat it up. It's a pity really, that society seem to be going to hell in a handbasket or burka if you like. :hmm:

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odas

They were only arrested after they refused to leave the plane. The likelyhood is that airport security only wanted to double check them before either putting them back on the plane (the plane was delayed three hours anyway because of them), or putting them on a different flight. The only reason they were arrested is because they refused to be cooperative.

A somewhat outdated table on wikipedia shows that, in 2001, Muslims accounted for 0.6% of the US population. While this has likely grown since then, the muslim population in the US will still be negligable. I can't imagine US airlines would notice a sudden dip in profits.

Was it about boycotting airplane fares in global or only the US?

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Seraphina
Was it about boycotting airplane fares in global or only the US?

*shrugs*

The threat was probably made by CAIR, so I imagine it'll only be American Muslims.

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odas

One thing you all seem to be missing is what these muslims said. Apparently, they were speaking in their native languages and were overheard by a passenger that understood what they were saying. According to the passenger, the group were not only making anti-american statements, but also threatening the plane.

Now, that is a big....no no....in any language. Then refusing the pilot or attendant is a great way to land up in jail.

So they play the tired muslim race card, and most of you just eat it up. It's a pity really, that society seem to be going to hell in a handbasket or burka if you like. :hmm:

Source and proof of your claim, please.

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Aztec Warrior

Odas, I could post sources and police reports all day for you, but you wouldn't believe anything. Besides you just argue for the sake of it. :huh:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today called for congressional hearings on religious and ethnic profiling at airports after six Imams, or Muslim religious leaders, were removed from a domestic flight yesterday in Minnesota.

The Imams were taken off a US Airways flight at Minneapolis- St. Paul International Airport Monday night because of alleged "suspicious activity." The Imams, who were handcuffed and questioned for several hours by authorities before being released, told the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) they suspect the activity cited by authorities was the performance of normal evening prayers offered by members of the group in the airport before boarding the flight.

The detained Imams also denied reports that they refused to leave the plane or that they chanted "Allah" as they were escorted from the flight. US Airways refused to allow the Imams to take another flight or to assist them in obtaining tickets on another airline. They eventually obtained tickets on Northwest Airlines and are on their way to Arizona.

According to a police report, a US Airways manager said three of the men had one-way tickets and no checked baggage. Some of the men also asked for seat belt extensions even though a flight attendant told police she thought they didn't need them.

In the incident Monday, a passenger reported overhearing the imams criticize the U.S. in Iraq and speaking angrily near the gate. The men were interrogated by the FBI and the Secret Service. They had to fly a different airline out of town on Tuesday after US Airways refused to let them on any of its flights.

The police report said the flight's captain had already decided he wanted the men off the plane after the passenger passed him a note pointing out "suspicious Arabic men."

An airport police officer and a Federal Air Marshal agreed the combination of circumstances was suspicious, and eventually asked the men to leave the airplane, according to the police report. The report said they got off the plane without incident.

Top News

Uproar After Six Muslim Men Removed From US Airways Flight

Wed, 22 Nov '06

Passengers Express Concern Over Suspect Behavior

Six Muslim scholars were removed from a US Airways flight at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Monday, after passengers expressed concern over what they called the men's suspicious behavior.

Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, was still at the gate when the men were asked to step off the plane to speak with officials. Passengers said the men had been "praying loudly in the gate area. Some were heard to be making statements against the US involvement in Iraq," said Pat Hogan, spokesman for the airport, to Bloomberg.

When the men boarded the plane, they also reportedly demanded to change seats and asked for safety-belt extensions, which they then put under their seats.

Several of the men repeatedly said "Allah" as they boarded, Hogan said, and one was overheard saying he would "go to whatever measures necessary to obey all that is set out in the Koran."

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?content...ce-6c80344c5f6d

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odas

Odas, I could post sources and police reports all day for you, but you wouldn't believe anything. Besides you just argue for the sake of it. :huh:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today called for congressional hearings on religious and ethnic profiling at airports after six Imams, or Muslim religious leaders, were removed from a domestic flight yesterday in Minnesota.

The Imams were taken off a US Airways flight at Minneapolis- St. Paul International Airport Monday night because of alleged "suspicious activity." The Imams, who were handcuffed and questioned for several hours by authorities before being released, told the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) they suspect the activity cited by authorities was the performance of normal evening prayers offered by members of the group in the airport before boarding the flight.

The detained Imams also denied reports that they refused to leave the plane or that they chanted "Allah" as they were escorted from the flight. US Airways refused to allow the Imams to take another flight or to assist them in obtaining tickets on another airline. They eventually obtained tickets on Northwest Airlines and are on their way to Arizona.

According to a police report, a US Airways manager said three of the men had one-way tickets and no checked baggage. Some of the men also asked for seat belt extensions even though a flight attendant told police she thought they didn't need them.

In the incident Monday, a passenger reported overhearing the imams criticize the U.S. in Iraq and speaking angrily near the gate. The men were interrogated by the FBI and the Secret Service. They had to fly a different airline out of town on Tuesday after US Airways refused to let them on any of its flights.

The police report said the flight's captain had already decided he wanted the men off the plane after the passenger passed him a note pointing out "suspicious Arabic men."

An airport police officer and a Federal Air Marshal agreed the combination of circumstances was suspicious, and eventually asked the men to leave the airplane, according to the police report. The report said they got off the plane without incident.

No it is not just for the sake. It is about the truth.

You made it sound first like the anti american statement were made DURING the flight or on board.

But, according to the Police report they were made ( if, any, only aparent ) AFTER they were escorted out.

Big difference in reporting. That means your claim was not true which the police report proofs. :P

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Irish

Back in the 70’s when the IRA was involved in the bombings in England I traveled back and forth with family both in England and Ireland. I was delayed for questioning many times and missed a few flights, simply because I was Irish, it was very inconvenient and humiliating for me. However I understood the need for extra scrutiny and just accepted the inconvenience of it based on what was going on at the time.

If I made it a point to draw attention of others by singing Irish rebel songs in flight I would have not been surprised to have been delayed further and it would not be for my lack of singing ability. :D

Irish

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AROCES

No it is not just for the sake. It is about the truth.

You made it sound first like the anti american statement were made DURING the flight or on board.

But, according to the Police report they were made ( if, any, only aparent ) AFTER they were escorted out.

Big difference in reporting. That means your claim was not true which the police report proofs. :P

- Difference in reporting maybe. But Anti American still.

So, an Airline made it uncomfortable for them, why hate America and not the Airline only?

Good they took them out of the plane.

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