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Lord Umbarger

6 Muslim leaders put off plane in TwinCities

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Aztec Warrior

No it is not just for the sake. It is about the truth.

You made it sound first like the anti american statement were made DURING the flight or on board.

But, according to the Police report they were made ( if, any, only aparent ) AFTER they were escorted out.

Big difference in reporting. That means your claim was not true which the police report proofs. :P

The flight never took off. I never said it did.

The loud muslim chants, prayers, anti american statements etc were before the flight at the gate. Then they boarded and continued to cause a row. The loud chanting of Allah happened as they were being escorted off.

Odas, I don't know why you continue to missread my posts, unless it is intentional. :yes:

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odas

The flight never took off. I never said it did.

The loud muslim chants, prayers, anti american statements etc were before the flight at the gate. Then they boarded and continued to cause a row. The loud chanting of Allah happened as they were being escorted off.

Odas, I don't know why you continue to missread my posts, unless it is intentional. :yes:

Missread?

Ok. Can anybody else help out and be fair to read the post from AW and the police report and tell the difference?

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AROCES

- I'll help out. They acted like what a terrorist would have done. that is all I need to see.

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odas

- I'll help out. They acted like what a terrorist would have done. that is all I need to see.

Good. But all I was asking for is to compare AWs previous post and the actual police report.

Is that to much to ask? This is not now about terroris but about intentionaly fals or intentionaly misinterprating a report.

That's all.

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wcturnersr

One question. Why did they put their seatbelt extensions under their seats????? Sounds like a terrorist's plot to me.

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.AKUMA.

One question. Why did they put their seatbelt extensions under their seats????? Sounds like a terrorist's plot to me.

What the hell is wrong with you! how does that sound like a Terrorist Plot? :huh:

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Mars

These muslims were looking for attention, that is all. If its true in the quran that you have to pray at certain times, why would you pray to the sumerian moon god alla and the jewish/egyptian deity yah (allah is a combination of the two) on a plane? Why not go to the bathroom or something. I mean, I bet the quran doesn't specify exactly what minute you have to pray to allah. I'm sure its in the morning, afternoon, and night, or something.

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rocky4

These muslims were looking for attention, that is all. If its true in the quran that you have to pray at certain times, why would you pray to the sumerian moon god alla and the jewish/egyptian deity yah (allah is a combination of the two) on a plane? Why not go to the bathroom or something.

Good point. :tu:

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odas

These muslims were looking for attention, that is all. If its true in the quran that you have to pray at certain times, why would you pray to the sumerian moon god alla and the jewish/egyptian deity yah (allah is a combination of the two) on a plane? Why not go to the bathroom or something.

Allah is God in arabic. Gott in German, Bog in Russian, Dios in ( I guess in Spanish ).

If I would refer in arabic to Thor the God of the Thunder, I would say Thor the Allah of the thunder.

Btw. No one is fair enough to compare what I kindly asked for?

No worries, I will confess if the mistake is on my side. If proven.

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AROCES

Either they were looking for attention, just plain stubborn and inconsiderate knowing very well what the situation is OR simply testing the perimeters.

There were 6 of them for one thing.

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odas

Either they were looking for attention, just plain stubborn and inconsiderate knowing very well what the situation is OR simply testing the perimeters.

There were 6 of them for one thing.

As I said. It was a stupid thing to do. That is all.

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Aztec Warrior

Gee, Odas...I guess I missed the post when you said "they were stupid".

Yet, you continue to argue.....something?

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Lord Umbarger

Pinky Floyd post #23

Like it or not, the Islamic faith is going to have to deal with the fact that there is a stigma in the country (heck..the world) about their faith when mixed with airplanes.

Don't blame the people on the plane, the airlines or this country for that matter.

Frogfish post #43

I don't think many people here realize that Islam requires you to pray at certain times of the day.

Paranoia has taken over the world.

Silvercougar post #54

It never stops amusing me how fear makes people react...

Many of the posts here kind of point to one thing without actually saying it. Many are a little concerned about Islam, especially in the light of 9/11. It's a faith that most Americans are not very knowledgable about. Many arabs still think that Jews drink the blood of Christian children, so, it's not just the "foolish, stupid Americans" who are sometimes ignorant.

During WW2, people would have been really worried about riding on a plane or a train with someone speaking in German and yelling "Sieg Heil". It's illegal to make threatening actions or statements in regards to the U.S. President.

Getting on a plane and praying loudly in Arabic, the language of a religeon that is often misunderstood and more often associated with indiscriminant killing of Americans is not wise. Next, flat out refusing to exit the plane when ordered to by the Pilot,;under U.S. law, the pilot is the surpreme authority onboard his airplane. Then there is that little issue of being at war with radical muslims, who by the way, also pray in arabic to Allah. If you don't want to be stereotyped as a possible terrorist, then don't fit the bloody profile! If you act like what people think terrorists act like, then rather you are or not, people will think that you are.

As to why are Americans so skittish about Islam in the first place? Just look around the world. Nearly every war being fought on Earth right now, involves at least one muslim nation. The single most deadly terrorists attack in U.S. history came from muslims. I think that Americans have a little bit of a right to be skittish around muslims.

In many places around the world, muslims are afraid of U.S. soldiers. Why? Are the muslims there ignorant? Are they racists too? They are merely acting on the information that they have. They have no way of knowing if it's acurate or not. They are simply not willing to take any chances. When they act like that, people say it is because Americans are scary, but when Americans act that way around muslims, we're being "racist" and "unfair". We are "in cahoots to keep the tan man down."

Sure, it's unfortunate that Americans are like this but, be fore you call Americans racists and the like, just ask yourself why they are like that. It's not the fault of the American man on the street. The fault lies not in your stars, the fault lies in yourselves.

Then again, maybe they were hoping to get thrown off the plane. Then they could scream racial discrimination and get a few dollars out of the airline. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sence!

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odas

Gee, Odas...I guess I missed the post when you said "they were stupid".

Yet, you continue to argue.....something?

It WAS foolish from them to pray in the Plane, since prayers can be put together, so they would not have missed any.

It WAS foolish from them considering all the circumstances.

Post # 58.

Anything else, bud...........something? :P:D:D

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AROCES

FYI

- Per US Airways management. 3 of the passengers had one way ticket and no baggage at all.

- Praying before a flight

- Seated seperately in a flight

- Chanted Allah, Allah and I hate America when asked to leave plane.

- One asked for seat belt extension , crew told investigators the one who asked for it seem to not need it with his size.

Figure it out.

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Sanjuro

What did I say about wearing out keyboards? Don't you know that plastic isn't biodegradable? Every keyboard you trash is harming the environment, son.

If you can't join the dots, then please quit now. You have to be this high to get on this ride. Please disembark, and mind the gap. Now, if you'd like to discuss the point itself, rather than...I won't know...how it was worded or whatever the hell you're objected to, then I'm all ears.

We, men, have a need to make sense when we argue, you, woman, just argue to annoy man till he gives up and in this situation I dont know what the hell do you mean by quoting something you dont understand.

For example..

just 6 months ago when I was an active member I didnt see so many anti-muslim, anti-non-american topics

And I've never seen a topic about Muslims getting down on their hands and knees and praying when a plane is about to take off...

What this have to do with racistic posts? They get down or they dance or whatever, it does not make any difference when someone says he would kick muslim out of the damn plane if he sees that.

Dont quote my comments if you dont have anything to say about my post.

Every keyboard you trash is harming the environment, son.

You are calling me a SON? I am the same age as you are, anime girly.

You have to be this high to get on this ride.

When you will be at least 1.80cm to be at height of my shoulders you can talk to me again then maybe I wont laught.

Or maybe Scottish woman are LARGE, I dont know.

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odas

We, men, have a need to make sense when we argue, you, woman, just argue to annoy man till he gives up and in this situation I dont know what the hell do you mean by quoting something you dont understand.

For example..

What this have to do with racistic posts? They get down or they dance or whatever, it does not make any difference when someone says he would kick muslim out of the damn plane if he sees that.

Dont quote my comments if you dont have anything to say about my post.

You are calling me a SON? I am the same age as you are, anime girly.

When you will be at least 1.80cm to be at height of my shoulders you can talk to me again then maybe I wont laught.

Or maybe Scottish woman are LARGE, I dont know.

Not particular large in height. But I heard it is easier to jump over them then to walk by.

Do not take my word for it. That is only what I was told. :unsure:

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Aztec Warrior

FYI

- Per US Airways management. 3 of the passengers had one way ticket and no baggage at all.

- Praying before a flight

- Seated seperately in a flight

- Chanted Allah, Allah and I hate America when asked to leave plane.

- One asked for seat belt extension , crew told investigators the one who asked for it seem to not need it with his size.

Figure it out.

I guess that's the problem with some on this forum. They simple can't "figure it out".

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Lord Umbarger
We, men, have a need to make sense when we argue, you, woman, just argue to annoy man till he gives up

Or maybe Scottish woman are LARGE, I dont know.

Not particular large in height. But I heard it is easier to jump over them then to walk by.

No way. That kind of thing really isn't called for here.

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bLu3 de 3n3rgy

Not particular large in height. But I heard it is easier to jump over them then to walk by.

Do not take my word for it. That is only what I was told. :unsure:

What does this mean about scottish woman :huh:

We, men, have a need to make sense when we argue, you, woman, just argue to annoy man till he gives up

You have to be kidding right?

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Seraphina
We, men, have a need to make sense when we argue, you, woman, just argue to annoy man till he gives up and in this situation I dont know what the hell do you mean by quoting something you dont understand.

For example..

So in trying to argue against me, you just go ahead and make a comment that makes you sound like a sexist pig-dog? :P Yeah, that really makes you seem like the voice of reason.

Or maybe Scottish woman are LARGE, I dont know.

My country too? Good grief :P Are you absolutely certain you're the same age as me? I believe I'll continue to call you 'son' until you start acting like it. Now, to reiterate (reiterate isn't too big a word for you, is it?)

What this have to do with racistic posts? They get down or they dance or whatever, it does not make any difference when someone says he would kick muslim out of the damn plane if he sees that.

Dont quote my comments if you dont have anything to say about my post.

This topic is about some men who were removed from a plane for praying...correct? Now, let's say it all together now for Sanjuro's benefit..."Do...you...understand?"

Now, the quote I posted was one stating that the boards appeared to be becoming more racist lately, with a lot of racist posts and topics being made...I was pointing out that this situation was far from racsist, as it's a rather unusual scenario. Muslims are not known for getting down for prayer on a plane...it was unusual behaviour, and obviously designed to attract attention, and cause a fuss.

If you'd read my entire post you would have understood this, as I went on to explain it. Instead you decided to post some snide comment, and invite me to make a fool out of you. I told you not to make this a duel of snide comments...if you'd like to debate the facts, then do...if you just want me to catch your insults in midflight, sharpen them up for you, and then throw them back, then might I suggest walking up to Mike Tyson and calling him a wuss would be a much less painful way of achieving your masochistic goals.

Now everyone, let's say it all together again for him..."Do...you...understand?"

I really hope you do, because honestly I've tried breaking it down to the lowest level I can for you. If you still don't get my point, I'm going to have to resort to explaining it with sock puppet.

When you will be at least 1.80cm to be at height of my shoulders you can talk to me again then maybe I wont laught

And incidentally genius, I’m much taller than 1.8 centimeters…who the heck are you, Tom Thumb?

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Sanjuro

So in trying to argue against me, you just go ahead and make a comment that makes you sound like a sexist pig-dog? :P

If you say so, ***** cat.

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Avinash_Tyagi

I just love how you guys are all scared of anyone who looks vaguely arab, totally proves my point that this so-called "war on terrorism" is really just about scaring people, the politicians have you now. :tu:

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Irish

This topic is rapidly heading for a ............IPB Image\

Back on topic or we will bring in the cleaning crew.

Irish, on behalf of the mod squad <_<

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__Kratos__

I just love how you guys are all scared of anyone who looks vaguely arab, totally proves my point that this so-called "war on terrorism" is really just about scaring people, the politicians have you now. :tu:

Heh, "all"? I've spoken out against profiling arabs... Because if you only look at one race of people you are giving the free pass to terrorists of other races to sneak on board.

These guys weren't taken off the plane because they were arab... they were taken off because of their activities that were out of the norm... Just not praying either but the going in empty seats for no reason, asking for items they didn't need, anti-American statements and the fact that they refused to go with the guys when asked about it. They made the scene... They made the problem.

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