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this 'enigma' isnt real. people just buy into it if they find some coincidences.

as people do with the BS astrology stuff.

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this 'enigma' isnt real. people just buy into it if they find some coincidences.

as people do with the BS astrology stuff.

OH MY GOSH! BS! B is the 2nd letter of the alphabet, and S is the 19th letter of the alphabet, so 2+19=21 and there are 2 letters in BS. 21+2=23 Mulder, what did you do?

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OH MY GOSH! BS! B is the 2nd letter of the alphabet, and S is the 19th letter of the alphabet, so 2+19=21 and there are 2 letters in BS. 21+2=23 Mulder, what did you do?

...I hate you paul

haha :rofl:

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The New York Yankees won the World Series 23 times

ya, until they win it again. this is just an example of how rediculous this is

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I have been a follower of this number for about 2 years now, and by looking and looking and still more looking. Wether or not these numbers are coincidental or legit. I can tell you for certain that there are more things coincidental than legit.

For Example, mentions of many date of birth or death of famous celebrities, whether their date adds up to 23 or not, are purely coincidental! And let's face it, even if he Titanic sank on April 15th 1912, or The Twin Tower incident on 9/11/2001, they might all add up to 23, however, there are thousand upon thousands of other major event that you cannot relate to 23 whats so ever.

In my view, 23 has a life of its own only because we give it life with our thoughts and belief. I believe this number is attached to me, only because it's so much engraved within my mind, that i simply see it every minute of my life at every direction I look. Did it freak me out? Sure, but i don't make a fuss about it.

Another fact about 23 you might like to know, and this is my friend who figured it out. Kinda a fun fact if your a believer of this number. If you look at your calendar, at the date 2, if you stop there, and go down 3 rows, the date under there is 23. Every date, every month, every year. so 2 columns, 3 rows = 23rd day of every calendar.

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I have been a follower of this number for about 2 years now, and by looking and looking and still more looking. Wether or not these numbers are coincidental or legit. I can tell you for certain that there are more things coincidental than legit.

For Example, mentions of many date of birth or death of famous celebrities, whether their date adds up to 23 or not, are purely coincidental! And let's face it, even if he Titanic sank on April 15th 1912, or The Twin Tower incident on 9/11/2001, they might all add up to 23, however, there are thousand upon thousands of other major event that you cannot relate to 23 whats so ever.

In my view, 23 has a life of its own only because we give it life with our thoughts and belief. I believe this number is attached to me, only because it's so much engraved within my mind, that i simply see it every minute of my life at every direction I look. Did it freak me out? Sure, but i don't make a fuss about it.

Another fact about 23 you might like to know, and this is my friend who figured it out. Kinda a fun fact if your a believer of this number. If you look at your calendar, at the date 2, if you stop there, and go down 3 rows, the date under there is 23. Every date, every month, every year. so 2 columns, 3 rows = 23rd day of every calendar.

and every time i go to day 4, down 3 rows, i get the number 25. and when i use number 5 with the same method, i get 26.

its just a number, with no significance what so ever. its like astrology, people find a Way to make it Work, and become something special, when its not.

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I can't believe some people buy into 23 being some significant number, when you can pretty much connect anything like Paul Noise pretty much made an example a few posts up. Another funny example of this kind of nonsense (but doesn't pretend to be anything otherwise) is the 6 Degrees Of Kevin Bacon game.

But as long as we're talking weird number stuff, thought I'd add one that I've always found interesting. The fact that you can take ANY multiple digit number (23, 47, 5,982, 4,097,521, any other one), add up its digits, subtract that sum from the original number, add the digits of that new number, and it will always end up being 9 (or if it's not, add the digits of the final number and they will add up to 9).

A few examples (it will work with any possible number besides 1-8, for obvious reasons):

74. 7+4=11 ... 74-11=63 ... 6+3=9

428. 4+2+8=14 ... 428-14=414 ... 4+1+4=9

6,213. 6+2+1+3=12 ... 6,213-12=6,201 ... 6+2+0+1=9

1,923,607. 1+9+2+3+6+0+7=28 ... 1,923,607-28=1,923,579 ... 1+9+2+3+5+7+9=36 ... 6+3=9

Maybe numerology is right in that 9 really is the God number, lol.

Weee! :yes:

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I think this can shed some light on why people believe in the 23 enigma(the following is copied directly from wikipedia)...

Apophenia: is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad,[1] who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness".

While observations of relevant work environments and human behaviors in these environments is a very important first step in coming to understand any new domain, this activity is in and of its self not sufficient to constitute scientific research. It is fraught with problems of subjective bias in the observer. We (like the experts we study) often see what we expect to see, we interpret the world through our own personal lens. Thus we are extraordinarily open to the trap of apophenia.

—Klaus Conrad, A Cognitive Approach to Situation Awareness: Theory and Application

In statistics, apophenia would be classed as a Type I error (false positive, false alarm, caused by an excess in sensitivity). Apophenia is often used as an explanation of paranormal and religious claims, and can also explain a belief in pseudoscience[citation needed].

Conrad originally described this phenomenon in relation to the distortion of reality present in psychosis, but it has become more widely used to describe this tendency in healthy individuals without necessarily implying the presence of neurological differences or mental illness.

In the case of autistic spectrum disorders, including Asperger syndrome and individuals who are autistic savants, individuals may in fact be aware of patterns (such as those present in complex systems, large numbers, music, etc) that are infrequently noticed by neurotypical people. Rather than being aware of patterns that do not exist, autistic individuals may be aware of meaningful patterns within situations that appear meaningless to others. Indeed, in some philosophies (e.g. existentialism), meaning is something subjective, unique to each person, that must be achieved. What, then, is 'abnormal' meaning? ...

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and so on, and so forth.

What I find very interesting is that "William S.Burroughs" was an avid believer in the 23 enigma. When I discovered this I decided to see for myself just how far down the rabbits hole this could take me.

Sure enough I found many strange coincidences, in fact the letters in my real name add up to 23, and that's without having to grasp at straws, like creating numbers out of thin air(lol) And although many things did add up to 23... WAY more things do not!

I think the following(copied directly out of wikipedia) sums up everything...

Discordianism

The Principia Discordia states that "All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropritate to 5"[5]—this is referred to as the Law of Fives. The 23 Enigma is regarded as a corollary of this law. It can be seen in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The Illuminatus! Trilogy (therein called the "23/17 phenomenon"), Wilson's Cosmic Trigger I: The Final Secret of the Illuminati (therein called "The Law of fives" and "The 23 Enigma"), Arthur Koestler's Challenge of Chance, as well as the Principia Discordia. In these works, 23 is considered lucky, unlucky, sinister, strange, or sacred to the goddess Eris or to the unholy gods of the Cthulhu Mythos.

As with most numerological claims, the enigma can be viewed as an example of apophenia, selection bias, and confirmation bias. In interviews, Wilson acknowledged the self-fulfilling nature of the enigma, implying that the real value of the Laws of Fives and Twenty-threes lies in their demonstration of the mind's power to perceive "truth" in nearly anything.

When you start looking for something you tend to find it. This wouldn't be like Simon Newcomb, the great astronomer, who wrote a mathematical proof that heavier than air flight was impossible and published it a day before the Wright brothers took off. I'm talking about people who found a pattern in nature and wrote several scientific articles and got it accepted by a large part of the scientific community before it was generally agreed that there was no such pattern, it was all just selective perception."[6]

In the Illuminatus! Trilogy, he expresses the same view: that one can find a numerological significance to anything, provided "sufficient cleverness.

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Am I going insane? <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":w00t:" border="0" alt="w00t.gif" />

The "23 Enigma" refers to the belief that all incidents and events are directly connected to the number 23. The number 23. Think am crazy? Think again. Heres some examples, skim through them, or read them all if intrigued. What I want you to read really is below all this sh!t.

***2/3= .666 the number of the beast

The New York Yankees won the World Series 23 times

The Uranium isotope used in Nuclear bombs is U235

AOL chat rooms only allow 23 people at a time

In the film Airport, the mad bomber has seat 23

***There are exactly 23 charicters, numbers and letters, on the face of all U.S. coins

***Every 23rd wave crashing on a beach averages twice the size as normal

In the film Airplane II, the name of the spaceship is XR-2300

230 people died in the conspiracy plagued TWA flight 800 disaster

The Unibomber killed or wounded 23 people

The address of the Freemasons lodge in Stafford, England, is 23 Jaol Road. In New York City it's on 23rd street.

***The letter W is the 23rd in the alphabet and has 2 points down and 3 points up

The first Apollo landing on the moon was at 23.63 degrees east; the second was 23.42 degrees west.

April 19th the date of the battle of Lexington, the holocaust at Waco, and the Oclahoma city bombing is written 4/19 by Americans and 19/4 by Europeans. Either way it adds up to 23.

In Star Wars Princess Lea was held in cell AA-23

***Shakespeare was 46(2*23) when the King James Bible was published. Psalm 46(2*23) has it's 46th word "shake" and the 46th word back from the end is "spear".

On the Seinfeld show, Kramer hides an Air-Conditioner on levl purple 23 of a parking garrage.

***William Shakespeare was born on April 23,1556 and died on April 23, 1616.

51, as in Area 51 breaks down to 23 + 23 + (2*3)=51

August 23,1305 William Wallace was exicuted for treason.

August 23, 1970 River Pheonix was born.

The original Star Trek, as well as Babylon Five are set in the 23rd century

***The human Biorhythm cycle is 23 days

***It takes 23 seconds for blood to circulate through the human body

***Julius Ceasar was stabbed 23 times by the assasans.

X-Files: 10.13 productions.10 + 13 = 23

"Scottish Rite Freemasonry" has 23 letters.

A technological singularity has been predicted by "experts" in the near future. It is expected around 2030 AD.

***Geosynchronous orbit occurs at 23,000 miles above Earth's surface.

Psychic Edgar Cayce started having visions of lost Atlantis in 1923.

Hitler joined a secret society in 1923.

Avagadro's number as used in the ideal gas law is 6.02 * 10^23

The CIA headquarters in McLean, VA is located on rt. 123.

***The tilt of Earth's axis is roughly 23o accounting for the changing seasons and the procession of the Zodiac.

***Homo sapiens are given 46 chromosomes from their parents, 23 male and 23 female.

***The Dog Days of Summer begin on July 23 when Sirius the Dogstar rises from behind the sun.

Sydney Carton was the 23rd man beheaded in the climax of Dickens' Tale of Two Cities

Accordidng to Noam Chomsky over half of the national media is owned by 23 companies

The average smoker inhales 23 ciggarettes a day

There are 23 chapters of the Cult Awareness Network

Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints was born on December 23, 1805.

On December 23, 1805 the Federal Reserve Act passed in congress.

***According to ancient Mayan prophesy on December 23, 2012 the world will end.

***In both ancient Sumaria and Egypt July 23 is the start of the new year.

The Nissan car takes its name from "Ni" which means 2 in Japaneese and "san" which means 3. Nissan means 23.

The articles of Impeechment used against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton are under Article 2, section 3 of the constitution.

The United States set off 23 atomic bombs at Bikini Atoll in the Pacific.

Lines 22-23 of Book I of Milton's Paradice Lost "What in me is dark/ Illumine, what is low raise and support."

In a recent film version of Alice in Wonderland a stuffed Rabbit comes alive and runs away from a case numbered 23.

***The first prime number in which both digits are prime and add up to make annother prime is 23.

It is believed that Adam and Eve had 23 daughters. [citation needed]

It is believed that the verses of the Qur'an were revealed over a period of 23 years. There exist hadith that support this figure, but many more that give other lengths of time.

Psalms, the longest book of the Bible, is the 23rd book of the Old Testament, and the famous "Divine Shepherd" psalm is Psalm 23. Those repeating this popular claim overlook that it is only true in a handful of very specific modern Catholic translations. The famous psalm is actually number 22 in the Septuagint and traditional Catholic Bibles, while the books of the Old Testament appear in several different orders; Psalms is number 23 only in modern Catholic Bibles, being book 21 in the traditional Vulgate, book 26 in the Greek Orthodox Bible, book 19 in most Protestant Bibles, and book 14 in the Jewish Tanakh. It is therefore completely false for the Vulgate (chapter 22 of book 21), and only partly true for the King James Version (chapter 23 of book 19).

December 23, 2012 is the date on which the Mayan calendar ends, predicting an apocalyptic event.

Both the ancient Egyptian and Sumerian calendars begin on 23 July. Both calendars were apparently calculated from the date of the heliacal rising of Sirius, which occurs at that latitude around that time of year.

The list goes on and on.

They say that once you reasearch heavily into the 23 mystery, they say that the number starts appearing in your life everywhere. You become obessed, paranoid, it comes after you. It...haunts you. I am living proof. Heres my diary of how the number 23, is coming after me. It can mean many things, patterns, messages, clues to future events, many things. In theory anyway. Heres my diary:

11/19/06

This was the day I watched the trailer for the upcoming film "The Number 23". Intrigued, I went to the website, and researched it. I believe that it is not coincidence...its something...else. It must mean something...but what? And what does it mean to me? On the "Saw 3" website, on the messageboards, I`ve been making this saw story called "Saw 4 Rebirth RPG". On page 20 of it, I made a password for the plot. In it is the number 23.

11/20/06

I own the Saw 2 Uncut DVD. On the special features there is game you can play. Once you get through it you get to a safe, the number to the safe is 7293. You know what number is in it.

11/21/06

A white kid in my 2nd hr said his birthday was on the 23rd of some month, don`t remember month. Werid. Then in 4th hour my US History teacher said shes been working at my school for 23 years! Werid. Whys it keep from appearing?! This number... Then, near the end of 4th hr, coming from the bathroom, I passed a combination lock that had the numbers 23 fixed into it. Plus, 11/23/06 is coming up! Thanksgiving! Am sooooo ****ing creeped out! Then after school, standing at the light by mcdonalds, when I was just about to talk more about the 23 thing with my cousin, i looked over at the sign for armstrong, and the number 23 was on it! What does...it mean? Can i somehow firgure what 23 means? But how?! I`ve come to realize that you don`t look for the 23...it comes for you unexpectedly.

stay tuned....by the way, what u think? Any believers of this, cause if so, me and you need to talk!

Let's be realistic - I bet you most of those facts aren't real.

Plus, most of those facts don't even relate to the number 23! Like how the Apollo landed at 23.46 or whatever...that's not 23! It's 23.46! Or how if you have 60 minutes in an hour and divide it by 2 and minus 7 you get 23! Well, OBVIOUSLY!

Plus there are alot of things in the world related to other numbers. I bet you anything I could find a million facts relating to the number 1.

Did you know that there is only 1 brain in your head?

Did you know that if you chopped of an arm, you would be left with 1 arm?

1+1= a window

New Years Day starts on 1st January!

New Years Eve starts on 31st of December. Minus 30 days and you get 1!

See what I mean, bro?

-Josh

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an 23 event " that is what i call bull " count them

nothing speciall about 23

numbers legends are the most stupid things

first we got the 2006/6/6 thing

when nothing happenend we got the reverse 2009/9/9

when nothing happenend we got the 2012

there's no end to this but numbers legends proven to be silly and stupid

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17 is way more enigmatic. At least it's more obvious that it's enigmatic. If you start to play with it some really cool stuff happens, and that's cool since it is prime too.

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23? I thought it was the number 5.

Jimmy beat me too it.

And JERRY!!!!!! I always thought it was 999! We only got 666 because we read it upside down! And don't forget.....6+6+6=18 and 1+8=9! 9+9+9=27 and 2+7=9!!!!

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That nissan thing is wrong

1-ee

2-er

3-san

4-se

5-ou

6-lio

7-chi

8-bas

9-jio

10-shur

so if nissan was the number 23 it would be clled ersan :P

and, for me i see the number 7 EVERYWHERE

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open yur mind to this.. abd u made some mistakes here while trying to prove people wrong and u do realise that it can be 32 also

1) Unabomber – killed 3 and wounded 29 (29 +3 = 32)

2) Princess Leia was in cell 2187 (7-2 =5 +18 = 23)

3)Shakespeare was born in 1564, NOT 1556. (6+5= 11 SO U ARE LEFT WITH 1114 and 1+1 = 2 and 4-1=3 =23 )

4) Geosynchronous Orbit – At 22,241 miles above the earth (2x2x2 =8 then x4 =32 and x the remaining 1 is still =32)

5)Dog Days of Summer –Are July 3rd – 11th (1+1=2 and the remaining 3 gives u 2 and 3 =23)

6)Mayan Prophesy – End of world is December 21st. dec = 12 so u have 1221 (22+1=23 x 1 = 23)

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this 'enigma' isnt real. people just buy into it if they find some coincidences.

as people do with the BS astrology stuff.

If you didn't realise Mulder, not only did BS add up to 23, but you posted this comment at 0832hrs lol.

The Enigma is real, and through cruel irony of the universe it does seem to link events together, often with the rule of fives. of course it is preposterous to think that the number has any true power of it's own.

The numbers 1, 2 & 3 are the most commonly occuring side by side numbers, but i have a friend who has had everything in her life be governed by '23' even before she discovered the enigma. Whatever it is, it doesn't want to be figured out.

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If you didn't realise Mulder, not only did BS add up to 23, but you posted this comment at 0832hrs lol.

The Enigma is real, and through cruel irony of the universe it does seem to link events together, often with the rule of fives. of course it is preposterous to think that the number has any true power of it's own.

The numbers 1, 2 & 3 are the most commonly occuring side by side numbers, but i have a friend who has had everything in her life be governed by '23' even before she discovered the enigma. Whatever it is, it doesn't want to be figured out.

hmm, no. the enigma is not real. its about perception. you start to Think youre seeing these things all the time, once you notice them. or you assume things add up to certain things.

and no, those are common 'sides', and no, your friend hasnt had their whole life goverened by the number 23. they can assume they did, and try to make connections, but no, its not true.

its not a "thing" that can be figured out. as if its some person.

please. pure crap. you can make up numbers to go along with almost Anything. its kinda sad.

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<!--quoteo(post=1829341:date=Aug 14 2007, 11:14 PM:name=Freekin_Insane_Girl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Freekin_Insane_Girl @ Aug 14 2007, 11:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829341"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There's many meaning to the term "Nissan" in Japanese!

Nisan,Ni-san: Older brother

Ni-san: Term of endearment (like you said)

Nissan: The car brend...

Ni: Means 2.

San: Means 3.

As for "Which secret society Hitler join" I have no idea...One of my friends tell me! I'll make some research and I'll get back to you! <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/original.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="original.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Oh first off the numbers 1-10 are

eee

er -2

san -3

se

ou

leo

chi

ba

jio

sher

So the car would have to be the "Ersan"

No. The Japanese 1-10 is

Ichi 1

Ni 2

San 3

Shi 4

Go 5

Roku 6

Shichi 7

Hachi 8

Kyu 9

Ju 10

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hmm, no. the enigma is not real. its about perception. you start to Think youre seeing these things all the time, once you notice them. or you assume things add up to certain things.

and no, those are common 'sides', and no, your friend hasnt had their whole life goverened by the number 23. they can assume they did, and try to make connections, but no, its not true.

its not a "thing" that can be figured out. as if its some person.

please. pure crap. you can make up numbers to go along with almost Anything. its kinda sad.

Yes, Yes you can. It Makes no sense to assume that just because in the 3 different hospitals she has been admitted into on seven different occasions that she has only ever been admitted into room or ward (i can't remember which) 23, or that her grandmother was affected by the same happening and never revealed that until the day before she died a year ago, that there is something "Paranormal" about the number.

and no it's not her whole life but major events have in some way had that number involved. I agree that your own beleif makes it true in your own mind, and that it could happen with any number but as you told me with my reply post on the out of body experience subject, "You know absolutely nothing, except for your own beleifs on the issue."

Enigma, in oxfords Concise dictionary means:

1:) A Puzzling thing or person

2:) A Riddle or Paradox

A Paradox in the same dictionary:

1:) A Seemingly absurd or contradictory statement, even if actually well-founded

2:) A person or thing conflicting with a preconceived notion of what is reasonable or possible.

So from there we can hopefully concur that 23 is: A well founded paradoxical riddle of nature, contradictory to a preconceived notion of what is reasonable or possible

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Yes, Yes you can. It Makes no sense to assume that just because in the 3 different hospitals she has been admitted into on seven different occasions that she has only ever been admitted into room or ward (i can't remember which) 23, or that her grandmother was affected by the same happening and never revealed that until the day before she died a year ago, that there is something "Paranormal" about the number.

No. there is Nothing paranormal about a number. its basically the imagination of people getting the Best of them. as you can use any numbers to connect some dots (that really cant be connected.

and i dont see how being admitted 7 times, into 3 hospitals, has Anything to do with the number 23. who cares about the room number. why isnt there anything special about number 7? see what im getting at, you can do it for any of them.

Enigma, in oxfords Concise dictionary means:

1:) A Puzzling thing or person

2:) A Riddle or Paradox

of which this is Neither.

A Paradox in the same dictionary:

1:) A Seemingly absurd or contradictory statement, even if actually well-founded

2:) A person or thing conflicting with a preconceived notion of what is reasonable or possible.

So from there we can hopefully concur that 23 is: A well founded paradoxical riddle of nature, contradictory to a preconceived notion of what is reasonable or possible

now only if you had a real paradox. like, if you went back into time, and killed your father...how could you have gone back in time to do that?

im excluding the parallel time lines.

the number 23, and people trying to make connections that arent really there, is Not an enigma or paradox.

but, the people who claim that is IS a paranormal number, could be an enigma. as, they are a puzzling person for thinking that.

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No. there is Nothing paranormal about a number. its basically the imagination of people getting the Best of them. as you can use any numbers to connect some dots (that really cant be connected.

and i dont see how being admitted 7 times, into 3 hospitals, has Anything to do with the number 23. who cares about the room number. why isnt there anything special about number 7? see what im getting at, you can do it for any of them.

of which this is Neither.

now only if you had a real paradox. like, if you went back into time, and killed your father...how could you have gone back in time to do that?

im excluding the parallel time lines.

the number 23, and people trying to make connections that arent really there, is Not an enigma or paradox.

but, the people who claim that is IS a paranormal number, could be an enigma. as, they are a puzzling person for thinking that.

LOL yes, the father thing is a good example of a paradox, but you see 23 is a published Enigma, because peoples' beleif in the fact that it appears everywhere, and is related to everything in some way (makes me think of the theory of relativity lol) has had the power and ability to cause many people throughout time to become paranoid, and, in extreme cases, like in the movie - "The Number 23" become convinced that the number in itself has come after them.

I am not one of those people, but in the time I have been studying the so called "power" of the Number 23, I have noticed the following things:

1:) If you tell someone just a small piece of known information about the 23 Enigma, and that once you finish conversing with them on it, they will begin to notice a lot of 23's, sure enough, 70% (of people i tried this on) - have come back to me cursing me because I have 'made them' see the number everywhere.

2:) People who live with people convinced of the numbers power, will within months, begin to see the number themselves, and begin attempting to connect it to their own lives, and to figure out what it means for them, again this has come to a 70% result, as of the ten people who moved in with my 23 obsessed friends, 7 of them came back shortly after moving out, asking us about 23, as it had begun appearing more and more in their daily lives. 4 Of these people had only been around us to hear slight parts of my conversations with her about it. . . My god is it making her crazy.

3:) I have to do this... Her name is p i a j e a n d a r r a g h

16, 9, 1. 10, 5, 1, 14. 4, 1,18,18, 1, 7, 8.

pia: 1+6+9+1 = 17 1+7 = 8

jean: 1+5+1+1+4 = 12 1+2 = 3

darragh: 4+1+1+8+1+8+1+7+8 = 39 3+9 12

8+3+12=23

I dont think that means anything except that a name adding to 23 could be a good cause of "23 fever" as i'm calling it

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LOL yes, the father thing is a good example of a paradox, but you see 23 is a published Enigma, because peoples' beleif in the fact that it appears everywhere, and is related to everything in some way (makes me think of the theory of relativity lol) has had the power and ability to cause many people throughout time to become paranoid, and, in extreme cases, like in the movie - "The Number 23" become convinced that the number in itself has come after them.

I am not one of those people, but in the time I have been studying the so called "power" of the Number 23, I have noticed the following things:

1:) If you tell someone just a small piece of known information about the 23 Enigma, and that once you finish conversing with them on it, they will begin to notice a lot of 23's, sure enough, 70% (of people i tried this on) - have come back to me cursing me because I have 'made them' see the number everywhere.

2:) People who live with people convinced of the numbers power, will within months, begin to see the number themselves, and begin attempting to connect it to their own lives, and to figure out what it means for them, again this has come to a 70% result, as of the ten people who moved in with my 23 obsessed friends, 7 of them came back shortly after moving out, asking us about 23, as it had begun appearing more and more in their daily lives. 4 Of these people had only been around us to hear slight parts of my conversations with her about it. . . My god is it making her crazy.

3:) I have to do this... Her name is p i a j e a n d a r r a g h

16, 9, 1. 10, 5, 1, 14. 4, 1,18,18, 1, 7, 8.

pia: 1+6+9+1 = 17 1+7 = 8

jean: 1+5+1+1+4 = 12 1+2 = 3

darragh: 4+1+1+8+1+8+1+7+8 = 39 3+9 12

8+3+12=23

I dont think that means anything except that a name adding to 23 could be a good cause of "23 fever" as i'm calling it

but....it Didnt add up to 23...it added up to 68. :blink:

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but....it Didnt add up to 23...it added up to 68. :blink:

No, as you see the equation is reached by adding only sigle digit numbers, so for instance 37 as a result from your name would be broken down into 3+7, and each name is calculated seperately, with the single digits from the origional result from each name being added, the equation itself is exactly how i wrote it, ergo, her name does indeed add up to 23. 68 if you tried to alter it by adding the second numbers together as 17+12+39.

Twisting my words is not a viable way of debating or proving me wrong when they are written for all to see. if you wish to shut me down, 23 year old mulder, please do so without trying to alter the way in which my quote works, as it then becomes your own quote, and not of my creation, so you are in fact, contradicting your own work.

Maybe you try to abolish the idea of an enigma existing, because it has something to do directly with your chronology at this point in time. i am beginning to concur that maybe you don't have the "If I see it like this, then it must be how i see it, because i would be seeing otherwise if it weren't" viewpoint. hmm?? Maybe the great Mulder doesn't have such a firm beleif that 'everything is as it appears'

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No, as you see the equation is reached by adding only sigle digit numbers, so for instance 37 as a result from your name would be broken down into 3+7, and each name is calculated seperately, with the single digits from the origional result from each name being added, the equation itself is exactly how i wrote it, ergo, her name does indeed add up to 23.

Except you did not break all the number down completely, you conveniently left 12 alone.

darragh: 4+1+1+8+1+8+1+7+8 = 39 3+9 12

it should be 8+3+3 then

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No, as you see the equation is reached by adding only sigle digit numbers, so for instance 37 as a result from your name would be broken down into 3+7, and each name is calculated seperately, with the single digits from the origional result from each name being added, the equation itself is exactly how i wrote it, ergo, her name does indeed add up to 23. 68 if you tried to alter it by adding the second numbers together as 17+12+39.

well, yeah. i added the numbers like you did. however, i didnt pick the numbers apart and use the ones i want in order to prove some hypothesis.

i didnt alter anything, thats what youre doing to try to get it to work.

Twisting my words is not a viable way of debating or proving me wrong when they are written for all to see. if you wish to shut me down, 23 year old mulder, please do so without trying to alter the way in which my quote works, as it then becomes your own quote, and not of my creation, so you are in fact, contradicting your own work.

nope. no conradicting. i just added the numbers like you did. so, how am i wrong?

i just did basically shut you down, by showing you can use any numbers. or you can just pick and choose like you did.

Maybe you try to abolish the idea of an enigma existing, because it has something to do directly with your chronology at this point in time. i am beginning to concur that maybe you don't have the "If I see it like this, then it must be how i see it, because i would be seeing otherwise if it weren't" viewpoint. hmm?? Maybe the great Mulder doesn't have such a firm beleif that 'everything is as it appears'

the number has nothing to do with me. nor anyone. people just attribute it to things, and select only certain numbers when they think it fits. as you have.

and mutation man made a good point.

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