Is it possible for a God to be almighty ?

[Xenojjin]

@ moe .

Do you really scream "El chubacabra " at random people ?

[eddie]

Light....

I point out that God, the only God, the one that created the universe you live in (whether you believe it or not) is more powerful, more intuitive than you could ever imagine....and you say I'm off topic? You brought up a 'might be' question about God and I answered it the ONLY way it can be answered.........

Sorry you don't agree, but the answer to your question lies within you, if you'd open up your mind to it. Someday when you're in great despair he will be there for you, no matter what terrible, denying things you say about Him.

[moe eubleck]

@ moe .

Do you really scream "El chubacabra " at random people ?

Dude! yeah. I was just at the Pearl Ridge Mall and screamed " El Chupacabra El Chupacabra " at a yuppy tourist family. It made my kids and thier kids laugh, but the mother went pale and the father splashed his coffee. The security gaurds even thought it was funny but they hate tourists anyway.

At Denny's when I placed my order I yelled " El Chupacabra!" The waitress didnt even flinch tho. She just looked at me with a raised eyebrow then asked what kinda salad dressing I wanted. I did notice however that the room went silent for a moment.

I shout it at the mailman daily, but he doesnt seem to care either. With the meth heads peddlin up and down the streets all night, and the crazed dirt bikers chasing wild cats, I dont think much phases him at this point.

The Mcdonalds drive in just says "order when you're ready" and KFC says " Can you please repeat that order?"

Taco Bell says " we are all out of those but would you like to try our new spicy chicken burrito? "

[TheLight]

Light....

I point out that God, the only God, the one that created the universe you live in (whether you believe it or not) is more powerful, more intuitive than you could ever imagine....and you say I'm off topic? You brought up a 'might be' question about God and I answered it the ONLY way it can be answered.........

Sorry you don't agree, but the answer to your question lies within you, if you'd open up your mind to it. Someday when you're in great despair he will be there for you, no matter what terrible, denying things you say about Him.

See you're assuming some kind of religion already, I could have been talking about the greek god Zeus ? Or Toutatis ? Or any God ? Or no existing God for the matter.

The point is that this thread was a logical game not a faith challenge. I think I made it crystal clear in my previous messages...

So basically don't expect me to comment anymore on off topic posts, I respect other people religion whatever it can be but that's not the topic at hand here.

TheLight

[Kismit]

Moe quoted ...

At Denny's when I placed my order I yelled " El Chupacabra!" The waitress didnt even flinch tho. She just looked at me with a raised eyebrow then asked what kinda salad dressing I wanted.

I told you it was a specialised job ,

it's O.K. when i stuff up at work I tell the customers it's O.K. I'm not sober ......

[Phantom]

Moe, the Chupacabra joke is getting a bit old. Wanna try a new one? Maybe like... hmmm... errr.... Sasquatch?

[moe eubleck]

Moe, the Chupacabra joke is getting a bit old. Wanna try a new one? Maybe like... hmmm... errr.... Sasquatch?

LOL

yes I have become quite obsessed with good ol chupa. I even ordered a chupa t-shirt . I cant wait to show the nieghbors.

Sasquatch.....*scratches chin* hmmm .... I think you are on to something. Screaming "sasquatch!!: at random people....... I like it. . I thinks it time I did some research on that subject .

[gollum]

It's, basically, like saying "what came first the chicken or the egg"?

No answer is wrong so is there any real point in mashing your brain to find an answer.

As little Lisa from the Simpsons asked Bart..." if a tree falls in the jungle and there's no-one around to hear it, does it make a sound"?

[eddie]

The Light.....

I'm just trying to point out to you that talking about God is talking about religion, whether you believe it or not........As there is but ONE God.

[bigsteff]

PROVE THEIR IS NOT ONLY ONE GOD BUT ANY GODS

THIS IS FOR ALL THE BELEIVERS

[thefirstman]

I'm just trying to point out to you that talking about God is talking about religion, whether you believe it or not........As there is but ONE God

many religions believe there is more than one god,so this is an untrue statement.

[moe eubleck]

I'm just trying to point out to you that talking about God is talking about religion, whether you believe it or not........As there is but ONE God

many religions believe there is more than one god,so this is an untrue statement.

Amen to that! *wonders if eddie has studied world history yet*

[seeking]

stop thinking of it as a god issue, god was used as an example for the allmighty debate because he is portrayed that way and everyone will relate, the question at hand is, what is it to be allmighty, if I were allmighty or if you were allmighty would you be able to make a rock unliftable, but then lift it? thats all you have to worry about

[Seraphina]

Well, if you're looking at it purely from a scientific point of veiw...

Every single action in this universe, be it lifting a rock, or creating your own universe, requires energy...in animals (it is logical to assume that 'god' would be an animal rather than a plant) we have many rather clever ways of making energy molecules, but there is still a limit to exactly how much any given creature can make.

Now...the sheer amount of energy that would be needed to not only keep the functions of your own cells up and running for all eternity, let alone sunder oceans, destroy cities, create worlds and so forth would be so astronomical, and there is no way whatsoever that any being could possible create that many ATP.

For that same reason, I don't think it's possibly for humans to fly, use magic, or other such oddness

But anyway, purely from a scientific standpoint, it's impossible to be almighty, because limitations are in place according to exactly how many energy molecules your body can produce.

[Xenojjin]

The bible

Professing themselves to be wise... they became fools! (Romans 1:22)

Seraphina ... what in the world makes you so sure god is an animal ? Science can't come nearly far enough to prove that no being can have infinite energy . How do you even know god is living thing ? He could exist , but not be living ... the bible even states time has no effect on him .

The fact is stating he cant exist because no being can have unlimited ATP is just stupid . ATP is something mortals deal with , what about immortals ? Oh ... have not come across any of them yet ?

The point is you can't tell and therefore you don't know what your talking about .

[Seraphina]

lol...so your arguement against logic is "logic doesn't exist, because my book says so!"

When confronted with logic, the least someone could do is reply in kind I've stated a logical arguement as to why an almighty being couldn't exist. You have given me...some...strange rant, telling me I don't know anything, because I disagree with your book

I've got another one for you...mitochondria.

Now...the evidence suggest that, back in the sludge of single celled life being at the top of the ladder, mitochondria were actually seperate bodies from cells...now, without mitochondria, a cell is only able to produce 4 molecules of ATP per cycle...that's not a theory, that's a biological fact

Now...at some point, mitochondria were absorbed into a cell through phagosytosis, and were kept in place because with them, cells could now produce a net gain of 34 molecules of ATP each cycle.

Evidence of this is that mitochondria replicate themselves independantly; the cell doesn't actually store the information for them. They also contain their own DNA, and other tools needed to create proteins...the same is true for chloroplasts, which are believed to have entered the cell in the same way.

How, given that chloroplasts and mitochondria were so vital the respective development of animals and plants, you'd honestly think that a supreme being with almighty knowledge and power would have forseen a slight problem in leaving them out, and a chance encounter between the two wouldn't have had to fix his screw up

[dust19]

is said god a carbon based biological entity? Surely that's not very god-like.

[Seraphina]

Neither is so drastically changing your outlook on life between the old and new testament For a being that must measure time in eons, he sure is fickle. Damn flightly supreme beings who don't know what they want...

[Nax]

For a being that must measure time in eons, he sure is fickle.

I once tried to rationalise exactly that point Seraphina. How could a God, portrayed in the Bible as an all forgiving benevolent supreme being, be so damn contrary as to demand that we praise him and fear him all our lives. How could this loving "Father" allow some people to commit atrocities on other innocent people and children. If this "God" is as the Bible says, "all knowing" then he would know exactly what each individual would do during his life, even if you take into account the religious cop out of "man's free will", God would still know how things would eventually end up for each persons life.

But then I realised that the "God" referred to in the Bible, the Koran or any other book is simply an interpretation of man's limited imagination and experience from several thousand years ago.

The thing that I find intriguing is that our best minds agree on the big bang theory for the start of existence, time, space and matter. What they can't work out is what created the big bang. A lot of the scientists have drawn the conclusion that there must be a "God" of some sort otherwise they can't explain how the bang happened. I don't know if there is or isn't a "God", I guess the only way we'll know is when we die and we'll only know that there is a "God" if one exists, if there isn't one, then we won't know because we won't have a consciousness and there will be nothing , a bit like one of those nights when you don't recall dreaming at all.

[TheLight]

They can't explain the big bang, because the cosmology theory and the particle theory are contradictory. They cohabit well when the universe is big (as we observe it nowadays) since they can be decorralated but they clash when the universe was microscopic because we don't know how they would interact. So again God comes as an explanation of our current limitation of knowledge. May be in 1000 years, people will find it primitive to explain the Big Band as God's action.

[Nethius]

here's a link about how the Big Bang may have started

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astr...e_010413-1.html

[Xenojjin]

lol...so your arguement against logic is "logic doesn't exist, because my book says so!"

When confronted with logic, the least someone could do is reply in kind  I've stated a logical arguement as to why an almighty being couldn't exist. You have given me...some...strange rant, telling me I don't know anything, because I disagree with your book 

I've got another one for you...mitochondria.

Now...the evidence suggest that, back in the sludge of single celled life being at the top of the ladder, mitochondria were actually seperate bodies from cells...now, without mitochondria, a cell is only able to produce 4 molecules of ATP per cycle...that's not a theory, that's a biological fact 

Now...at some point, mitochondria were absorbed into a cell through phagosytosis, and were kept in place because with them, cells could now produce a net gain of 34 molecules of ATP each cycle.

Evidence of this is that mitochondria replicate themselves independantly; the cell doesn't actually store the information for them. They also contain their own DNA, and other tools needed to create proteins...the same is true for chloroplasts, which are believed to have entered the cell in the same way.

How, given that chloroplasts and mitochondria were so vital the respective development of animals and plants, you'd honestly think that a supreme being with almighty knowledge and power would have forseen a slight problem in leaving them out, and a chance encounter between the two wouldn't have had to fix his screw up 

I hope you enjoyed writing that for no reason . My point was actually that science has not come far enough to disprove the existance of an almighty god . how do you know for sure an almighty god would need energy in the first place ? The idea of using science of energy against god is just an endlessly stupid point .

You cant disprove the existance with such simplicities , I barely see how you could honestly think the being that created energy would need energy himself .

Posted on Nov 18 2003, 04:31 PM

  QUOTE (Seraphina @ Nov 18 2003, 03:03 PM)

For a being that must measure time in eons, he sure is fickle. 

I once tried to rationalise exactly that point Seraphina. How could a God, portrayed in the Bible as an all forgiving benevolent supreme being, be so damn contrary as to demand that we praise him and fear him all our lives. How could this loving "Father" allow some people to commit atrocities on other innocent people and children. If this "God" is as the Bible says, "all knowing" then he would know exactly what each individual would do during his life, even if you take into account the religious cop out of "man's free will", God would still know how things would eventually end up for each persons life.

But then I realised that the "God" referred to in the Bible, the Koran or any other book is simply an interpretation of man's limited imagination and experience from several thousand years ago.

The thing that I find intriguing is that our best minds agree on the big bang theory for the start of existence, time, space and matter. What they can't work out is what created the big bang. A lot of the scientists have drawn the conclusion that there must be a "God" of some sort otherwise they can't explain how the bang happened. I don't know if there is or isn't a "God", I guess the only way we'll know is when we die and we'll only know that there is a "God" if one exists, if there isn't one, then we won't know because we won't have a consciousness and there will be nothing , a bit like one of those nights when you don't recall dreaming at all.

Thats right ... god can't be an all powerfull benevolent being because he is not fair

Step 1

Go outside and try to find a kid crying to his/her parents who are punishing them . why are the parents punishing them and causing them to fear them ? Because they love the child and want it to learn its follies through experience since it is the best way . Kid doesn't understand and cries / screams / throws tantrums , or anything else to show he/she feels cheated .

Step 2

comparisons

god= parent

you=kid

If that doesn't do it for you I dont know what else will

[Xenojjin]

is said god a carbon based biological entity? Surely that's not very god-like.

excactly the point I am trying to make with the idea that serphinas scientific explanations are wasting her own time at writing them .

and the reason the outlook was changed between the old and new testament was because the new testament was after christ died for our sins . therefore if his outlook on life didn't change it would be un-godlike

[eddie]

Jesus will not judge us fairly. He will judge us with mercy and grace. If he were to judge us fairly, not one of us would enter into heaven.

[babyforrest]

Seraphina, I have always understood your posts, and always agreed with them. I understand all of your biological answers. But I'm afraid that you've lost me on this one. As many religions believe, God is a part of the spirit world. Spirits don't have mitochondria, they have no need for it. I admit that I haven't really given this particular idea too much thought, but most God fearing religions will agree that God is not a physical being. He does not have the "body" that humans do, therefore it is most likely that he will not have cells, ATP, etc.