Conscious succubus experience

[Radian]

If you stop taking these paranormal theories so personally for a second, you'll see that people have a right to believe and talk about these theories however they wish - especially when people who are mentally ill have made plenty of claims that they are possessed (or are mediums).

This is about the most arrogant ruthless comment I've ever seen before!!

This is not just about you and your view of your own illness. There are many other mentally ill people w views contrary to your own. Yes stigmas are attached to most disabilities or health differences. But there's no need to add imaginary ones to the mix.

Yes I can see you're passionate. And nothing I'm saying is meant to personally undermine you, but I'm also not scared of offending anyone based on presenting an opposing view.

And you claim to work with the mentally ill? Help the mentally Ill?

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Well said Sunny!

I'm not sure if it was this thread or not, but picking up on what Opus said, I tend to disagree...

IMO the mind really needs to be stress free and well rested with using practised meditations and development to master this level of control, only then has the third eye a chance of being activated. I know in myself that the biggest block to the third eye is stress and fatigue....

Edited January 11, 2007 by Anvil

[Radian]

Well said Sunny!

I'm not sure if it was this thread or not, but picking up on what Opus said, I tend to disagree...

IMO the mind really needs to be stress free and well rested with using practised meditations and development to master this level of control, only then has the third eye a chance of being activated. I know in myself that the biggest block to the third eye is stress and fatigue....

<sigh> I do agree.

[Solidsdemise]

Don't underestimate the power of lack of sleep. After you've been up for so many days, 3 being a good number, really strange things start happening to your perception. Personally, I believe that it starts to open your third eye.

Uraeus, if it was succubus, she'll probably be back. Don't let a succubus trick you, they are devils.

By the way, what channel is the X-Files on now? That's one of my favorite shows, but I can't find a channel that plays it anymore.

Third eye, or an idea the third eye describes... interesting, never thought of that :-) I wasn't tired at that point... and even after I got regular sleep the next few days, more strange items happened related to the third eye. Antipsychotics began to close it, however.

If it was a succubus, it was uncanny timing. Thanks for the warning.

I do believe X-Files airs on basic cable late prime time, but I forget what channel... I borrow my parent's X-Files collection.

[Solidsdemise]

Its sad that this has turned into a rather heated debate because originally it was pretty interesting and thought provoking.

I feel we should respect coldethyl's feelings - if it makes her feel uncomfortable, or in any way negative - then she has the right to say. Even though I do have thoughts and ideas that I would want to discuss - its just not as important as upsetting someone, esp as I have never had a psychotic episode and feel I would have had to, to be able to offer any further debate.

I hope the author of the original post feels he did get something from this though

I certainly have, and I hope that those who have read the post have gotten something from this.

To anyone - I'd be happy to talk about anything related to the post off the thread - my AIM and yahoo is Guitarlover175, you can message me, or my e-mail is havoc175@gmail.com

And just to let you know, I'm not afraid of letting things out in the open anonymously, and it's very hard to scare or offend me.

[Barek Halfhand]

Not everyone believes there's 0 connection btw. the paranormal and mental illness either. There's room for those who connect the two and those who don't. And those who believe it's possible.

I don't see the stigma you're talking about. The cultures that traditionally have treated people w mental illness w/ the most reverence are those in which there's a belief that such individuals also may possess paranormal abilities. Otherwise, such individuals usually just get labeled "psycho" and hidden from society or treated as second class citizens.

Someone mentioned diabetes in comparison. Well diabetes is not generally known to trigger thoughts about angelic and demonic beings; Godly visions or other images typically embraced by many in the paranormal community. Unless or until someone can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the physiological imbalances responsible for psychosis aren't simultaneously affecting a spiritual change or perception, there's no basis for claiming the spiritual theory of psychosis as a spreading of a stigma. This is especially true since there is no medical consensus on an explanation for the cause of psychotic/thought disorders. Only theories to offer incomplete explanations. We're not even sure exactly why antipsychotic meds work.

For years I worked closely w a clientelle with acute mental disorders. Nor am I a stranger to them in my personal life. In treating my clients there were many occasions when I noted what appeared to be pointed psychic insights arising in everyday conversations. With hebephrenic schizophenics in particular, there'd be reports from my staff (and I witnessed this too) of all sorts of sudden, detailed info offered up about their lives or someone in the clinician's life ... details they couldn't have known about. It happened so often that the staff joked about it at times.

Another fact: A disproportionately high # of schizophrenic/schizotypal/schizoid pts in our facility (over the years) had been or were self-proclaimed psychics, several making good money at it.

Boorite, this post is in part a response to what you said as well.

maybe its the other way around perhaps the angelic or demonic visions triggers the "psychosis" ...........B

[Barek Halfhand]

hebephrenic schizophenics ?what does any of this have to do with being afraid of Jewish people?..... sorry couldnt resist (please nobody report me )........B

Edited January 11, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[Barek Halfhand]

So I guess I'm taking things too personally.

Must be because I'm crazy.

Sorry for derailing everyone.

You cant be crazy cuz your never at the meetings and as far as derailing goes Im the train conductor!...............B

"i dont wanna be buried in a pet cemetary

I dont want to live my life again'

Ramones

Edited January 11, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[Opus Magnus]

Well said Sunny!

I'm not sure if it was this thread or not, but picking up on what Opus said, I tend to disagree...

IMO the mind really needs to be stress free and well rested with using practised meditations and development to master this level of control, only then has the third eye a chance of being activated. I know in myself that the biggest block to the third eye is stress and fatigue....

The thing about staying up so long is that the fatigue fades. You enter a strange state of consciousness, it's hard to explain unless you've been there. It's almost like a drug. A really strong psychedelic drug.

[Solidsdemise]

maybe its the other way around perhaps the angelic or demonic visions triggers the "psychosis" ...........B

For me, my psychotic episode happened right after the succubus-like encounter. After I recovered from my episode, I had full-blown psychosis. Before the succubus-like experience, I had mania with psychotic features.

[Solidsdemise]

^^at least according to the textbooks

[Lord Storm]

So I guess I'm taking things too personally.

Must be because I'm crazy.

Sorry for derailing everyone.

If you were that crazy you would not be able to argue on a rational level or emapathise with others.....I recon you just have big pointy teeth and arent afraid to use them when you see an injustice

I am not a head doctor and am probably a little unhinged myself. The things I have seen felt and experienced through my life would indicate the paranormal exists or I am completely barking mad, they just havent caught me yet.

Some one posted that some people on these forums try to convince everyone they are not insane, what about people who think they may be crazy but wouldn't dare go near a doctor to find out for sure

[Leonardo]

Uraeus,

Welcome to the forum - and what a post!

Congratulations on your determination and rationality, many people wouldn't have had the nerve to open their inner-self to such examination.

As for your experience - I can offer an opinion but bear in mind I am not a professional and I think it's important you speak with a psychiatrist/psychologist (if you haven't already) as well as your pastor to help allay your concerns.

Sex and sexuality and extremely strong motivators in our subconscious. You have pointed out your inexperience but have admitted to a curiosity about sex, but only in the voyeuristic sense. There is nothing wrong with this, although you also state it became an addiction and that was causing you some worry. If I may ask, have the visitation(s) begun since you stopped viewing pornography?

The reason I think this is important is that you are manifesting this image in your mind as a way of continuing to explore sex and sexuality. Again, nothing wrong with this and the reason it is such an intense experience is because sex IS an intense experience. At least it is if you wish a sexual relationship with someone you care about.

I don't think there is any direct correlation between your psychological issues (and we all have them) and these manifestations of your curiosity. What may be happening is your guilt complex about what you think is taking place is kicking in and this is initiating episodes of psychosis. You don't have to answer this but I assume you are keeping your virginity for a reason? You may believe in 'no sex before marriage' or simply wish to wait for the right person. Some people believe that virginity brings with it some psychic power or that it enhances what psychic ability one may believe they possess.

Whatever the reason, your guilt over the perceived 'indiscretions' is unwarranted. It's healthy and natural to be curious and I'm sure a professional counsellor would agree. You seem a very rational person and I'm sure much of my opinion is no surprise to you. I believe there is nothing paranormal about these visions, nor are they a result of any mental illness. Curiosity and imagination are all the explanation that is required.

[OMS Transmitting]

I have to say, I enjoy reading your theories and responses OMS. Could it be that the reason the percentage of people with schizophrenia or any kind of mental disorder have claim to a higher rate of psychic ability and other sorts of preminitions, is because they have opened a part of their brain that we are unable to handle? Is it so much more advanced that the rest of us have not yet advanced ourselves to deal with it?

It's a good question and my pointed answer is I do not know. The more I learn the intricate workings of the human body and mind, the more I realize just how little we know about it. It's an unsettling paradox, but humbling. We know the brain acts as a type of holograph, for example. Take a case where someone has a massive stroke and their "speech center" (in the temporal lobe) is adversely affected; perhaps utterly damaged. After some speech therapy (and a lot of patience), the patient regains speech. How can a person whose speech center was destroyed learn to speak again? The brain tends to act in a compensitory way so that the sum of its parts allow for the taking over of the specialized task that was once assigned to a now damaged (or destroyed) part of the brain. There are theories to try and explain this marvelous ability. But theories are educated guesses, not answers. Until we understand more about the mechanics of the human brain, it's just plain silly to deduce what's clearly isn't possible IMO in the way of paranormal activity.

My friend who experienced a relationship with someone who gradually was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, describes the experience as watching someone open up a part of their brain that was too much to handle. Too much to try and cope with at the rate his coping mechanisms without bipolar were functioning at. My point is the brain is an extremely complicated thing and you can believe what you want of it all. I believe there are connections to the paranormal with the areas of the brain most of us don't use. Somehow people who are diagnosed with a mental disorder may have only just connected with that area we have less frequently used.

In fact many great artists and inventors have been diagnosed with mental illness, mood disorders in particular (like depression and bi-polar). Many religious leaders have (think "Joan of Arc" were believed to have had epilepsy, usually TLE). I worked in a music store eons ago and recall that most of the salespeople and the supervisor had been diagnosed at some point w a mood disorder. Many claimed their moods led them to create music as if someone else were guiding them. Back in my early days when I was a musician I had the same feeling. Even when quite young I would sit down and play various instruments w/out formal training or knowledge and improvise. It honestly felt as if someone else were playing. And lol - yeah I was a moody kid. Struggled w mood problems for a long time. ... Or take savants: By and large these are individuals who have an impressive mental and/or physical impairment. Yet they have extraordinary talent beyond most people. It is quite possible that an overall deficit opens the door to abilities that otherwise would remain dormant or would be non-existent. This is why I think it's possible there could be a positive r-ship btw. mental illness and psychic abilities. No one can prove it's not a possibility.

I think I'm mixing two theories together but Im not familiar with those disorders. I do however believe there is a connection with paranormal activity in many patients and I don't think its a bad thing or something stigmatized, whatsoever.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Couldn't agree w/ you more. And I figure if this very reasonable opinion offends someone (especially someone who has a mental illness), then all it means is that person has some personal issues to work on (maybe shame about their illness or whatever, who knows?). But I see no need to apologize whatsoever.

[OMS Transmitting]

Colde, I’ll ignore your defensiveness and focus on content … Here is your requested info on related studies. It’s somewhere to start. I’d be happy to lead you to more sources by further request. Go to:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed

Next type “paranormal psychosis” in search box. You will be able to view individual synopses of some studies involving psychosis and paranormal belief systems, some occuring along the continuum of psychosis, others more diagnosis specific. You may have to copy some of the study titles and paste them onto a typical search engine like Yahoo to view complete studies.

It is the largest virtual medical library & stockpile of peer-reviewed medical studies available to laypeople that I’m aware of.

Something else for your edification: In the DSM-4 (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – 4th Edition), pg. 275, in referencing symptoms of schizophrenia, are listed ”Shneider’s list of first-rank symptoms”, under the description for “delusions that express a loss of control over mind and body” … Note:“ … these include a person’s belief that his or her thoughts have been taken away by some outside force (‘thought withdrawal’), that alien thoughts have been put into his or her mind through ”thought insertion”), or that his or her body or actions are being acted on or manipulation by some outside force (“delusions of control”) [this obviously refers to possession]. That's a little formal documentation you can refer to as it regards what I’ve been telling you about psychic and possession claims frequently stated by clients dealing w psychosis, as well as my observations w/ former clients.

As you can see, possession beliefs and supernatural belief systems in general are part and parcel of psychotic disorders for many patients. It’s illogical to state that a group of people who claim possession are being stigmatized for claiming they are possessed. What would you expect when the claims are being made by the psychotic pt.s to begin with?

On pg. 278 you can read about prodromal symptoms like “[the]sensing of an unseen person or force in the absence of formed hallucinations". So even in the milder phases of the disease process there are delusions that clearly align w psychic (paranormal, not sensory) perceptions. This of course doesn’t take into consideration subclinical (or unspecified) forms of schizophrenia and other thought disorders. You say you have bi-polar disorder? Which form, Bi-p 1 or 2? Bi-polar 2 shares many of the features of other psychotic disorders too (during acute mania). At any rate, The DSM -4 is considered the APA’s most current “bible” as it regards mental illness.

The only thing that deserves repeating is the observation that you are offended by someone’s factual statement about mentally ill people claiming paranormal abilities and claiming they are possessed. And that pt.s in general see it as a stigma. Clearly you are offended by what they think, but you are merely one of a huge population of people w/mental illness. So you don’t have to get offended when I tell you that in my experience w many people w your disorder, you appear to have a minority viewpoint. Just stating my observation over time, w clinical research and data to back it up.

You also seem offended that someone would dare acknowledge that there may or may not be truth to such claims. Meanwhile you have no way of demonstrating that there’s no connection btw. psychosis and paranormal influences or abilities. To be fair there also exists no universal proof that there is a connection. Which means it is perfectly fair to say that there is a possibility some connection btw. psychosis and the paranormal exists … regardless of who gets offended.

[Solidsdemise]

Sex and sexuality and extremely strong motivators in our subconscious. You have pointed out your inexperience but have admitted to a curiosity about sex, but only in the voyeuristic sense. There is nothing wrong with this, although you also state it became an addiction and that was causing you some worry. If I may ask, have the visitation(s) begun since you stopped viewing pornography?

The reason I think this is important is that you are manifesting this image in your mind as a way of continuing to explore sex and sexuality. Again, nothing wrong with this and the reason it is such an intense experience is because sex IS an intense experience. At least it is if you wish a sexual relationship with someone you care about.

I don't think there is any direct correlation between your psychological issues (and we all have them) and these manifestations of your curiosity. What may be happening is your guilt complex about what you think is taking place is kicking in and this is initiating episodes of psychosis. You don't have to answer this but I assume you are keeping your virginity for a reason? You may believe in 'no sex before marriage' or simply wish to wait for the right person. Some people believe that virginity brings with it some psychic power or that it enhances what psychic ability one may believe they possess.

Hey Leonardo - thanks for your welcome and thoughts .

To respond to your post:

The reason why i keep my virginity is because I wish to save myself for one woman, and that goes hand in hand with my faith. I've always been that way.

In addition, at the time of the experience three years ago, I was done with pornography for 3 months - and continue to stay off it to this day. I honestly didn't have a whole lot of curiosity towards sex for a while, especially at the point of the experience. Its onset was rapid, unexpected, and the experience was other-worldly in nature, as if I was experiencing the other side of physical sex to its fullest (although I can't speak from direct experience). It wasn't related at all to what pornography has to offer.

My main concern with pornography is that it is a sexual sin that opens up a gateway for demonic influence. I hadn't formally renounced it with a pastor, so I believe those doors were wide open.

The entity has never returned since. It was a one-time thing. In my honest opinion all issues aside, I believe it was a tool God used to keep me alive for the next several weeks, along with a way to heal me, at the expense of a few things I mentioned earlier in the thread. The thing that kicks me most is that this was not from God because it ended up being very destructive towards another person and myself later on. In that way, I can only conclude that it was from myself (which I have a hard time believing but not saying it's impossible) or it was some sort of demonic influence. It's complicated, but I'd be happy to talk more about it if anyone wants to know.

Curiosity in the subconscious is an excellent idea to put this to, but given the circumstances I don't think it is the case. Is there anything else you want to know given this post?

[Solidsdemise]

Oh I'm still seeing a psychiatrist and saw a psychologist for almost 3 years. They both have said that they've seen people have religious experiences while in states I was experiencing. However, they were honest in saying they can't help me - and if it bothers me, I should see a pastor. They are both excellent practitioners in their fields.

Also, I haven't had full blown psychosis since that time, but that was inevitable given my gross chemical imbalances. I just think the experience tiipped me over the edge.

[143]

Demon possession is the RARE thing. You didn't talk too much of the subject (being possessed) I noticed. More on the so called Psychology of it or delusional aspect of the subject... how about discuss both!! ???

BLA BLA BLA nevermind, just present a genuine case of possession first... in all of your experience surely you have one.

This is where I come in. I have not posted an experience someone I know has had, "possession" because of the response I received when I wrote it out in a blog of mine. I was new to the forum and hadn't the slightest clue I would get questioned and hit with such skepticism. I don't have a problem with it now, but I did then, because I wasn't expecting it. I was new to the idea and the person and their family was too. I was not into the paranormal the way I am now and that is because I wanted to research about possession and find out what the hell happened to our family friend.

My point is that no matter who has had an experience, of any sort, its always going to be picked apart. You asked for a genuine case of possession and Ive got one. If you have any questions or if anyone does for that matter, PM me. I will tell you all the details, and you can decide from there what you believe. I personally do not believe in the "stigmatized" demonic possession, however I do believe in possession of some sort. Its hard to get any real good conversation about this topic around here because its so diversed and populated with people who are here for many other reasons.

On the other hand, from where I stand with the paranormal, it gets old.... many times people go out there way to convince that they aren't crazy and will test the waters to check my sanity! we have to put up with perceptions such as dishonesty, fraudeulence as well as notions of being in 'druggy, trippy coo coo land'. But then negitive feelings about the paranormal stems partially from the frauds and hoaxers (warrens for example) and the hardcore religious fanatics don't help..

... demon possession is only a problem to those who believe in it, it's purely a culture/religious/belief system problem....

I agree with your first statement, but I do not with your second. When someone is not religous then what? How does something of the sort occur out of thin air?

...By and large these are individuals who have an impressive mental and/or physical impairment.

I wouldn't necessarily call it an impairment, it's more like funtioning ability.

Yet they have extraordinary talent beyond most people. It is quite possible that an overall deficit opens the door to abilities that otherwise would remain dormant or would be non-existent.

This is my theory

Couldn't agree w/ you more. And I figure if this very reasonable opinion offends someone (especially someone who has a mental illness), then all it means is that person has some personal issues to work on (maybe shame about their illness or whatever, who knows?). But I see no need to apologize whatsoever.

This was a bit harsh, and I do agree with some of the others, that you have come on pretty strong because you believe to have a long background working with people. I personally like coldethyl very much as an "e-buddy" so I am having a hard time with all of this because Im being pulled in two different directions. One way - my curiosity that is filled with "what-ifs" and my respect for her and her experiences. So again, I am sorry if I offended you coldethyl by stating that I enjoyed reading what OMS first had to say, it was a different perspective than what is normally said on this forum, and I think it should be diagnosed and talked about just like any other topic. You know how high of a respect I hold for you.

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[coldethyl]

Couldn't agree w/ you more. And I figure if this very reasonable opinion offends someone (especially someone who has a mental illness), then all it means is that person has some personal issues to work on (maybe shame about their illness or whatever, who knows?). But I see no need to apologize whatsoever.

Thanks for the therapy doc but I can do without your assumptions about me. You obviously don't read anything that I type. I don't want your apology, apathy, sympathy, etc. I am now just telling you to stop making this a personal attack. We aren't going to get along and we aren't going to find common ground.

Edited January 11, 2007 by coldethyl

[Lord Storm]

Thanks for the therapy doc but I can do without your assumptions about me. You obviously don't read anything that I type. I don't want your apology, apathy, sympathy, etc. I am now just telling you to stop making this a personal attack. We aren't going to get along and we aren't going to find common ground.

I suspect both of you are on a different wave length to eachother. Some people just can not communicate effectively with eachother no matter how well intentioned. Both obviously intelligent people just perhaps not compatible. Perhaps you should both talk to the OP rather than eachother as it will only end in Flame fest.

Peace.

[coldethyl]

I suspect both of you are on a different wave length to eachother. Some people just can not communicate effectively with eachother no matter how well intentioned. Both obviously intelligent people just perhaps not compatible. Perhaps you should both talk to the OP rather than eachother as it will only end in Flame fest.

Peace.

Yep, that's why I said that.

[Lord Storm]

Appologies if I sounded condescending or patronising. I do sometimes have a habbit of pointing out the obvious.

[coldethyl]

Appologies if I sounded condescending or patronising. I do sometimes have a habbit of pointing out the obvious.

LOL-it's cool.

[Sweetpumper]

You should've gotten her cell #.

[OMS Transmitting]

I wouldn't necessarily call it an impairment, it's more like funtioning ability.

And yet there’s little room for these kind of semantics. There is noticable, measurable impairment involved w/ savants. That is part of the definition. Many are mentally impaired as demonstrated by batteries of cognitive tests; others are physically impaired based on a series of objective medical tests.

This [the writer’s decision to state facts, regardless of who gets offended]was a bit harsh

Never was particularly good at coddling peoples’ insecurities at the expense of a well-balanced, open-minded discussion.

and I do agree with some of the others, that you have come on pretty strong because you believe to have a long background working with people

Which people said I come on strong … and who said it was because of my “background w people”?. There’s no doubt there are ppl who agree w my approach and those who don’t. Same w her. As for “harsh”, your e-buddy has made some pretty hostile (and silly) remarks by now (aimed at me as a poster), in response to my opposing view. So she's no victim here.

… so I am having a hard time with all of this because Im being pulled in two different directions.

But this is a talk forum; no less and no more. You seem like you have a big heart and care about people's feelings. But just IMO, being e-buddies doesn't obligate anyone to agree w a person about everything ... or even at all for that matter. And there's a problem when people feel like they have to walk on eggshells when discussing these matters w/someone in a talk forum lol. It's just an opinion for cripes sake lol.

But, where a few ppl here seem hellbent on coddling Colde's insecurities instead of questioning her or disagreeing w her outright, that's hardly my intention in posting (in general). There's a whole lot I don't know about this world, but this isn't one of those topics where I have a severe paucity of knowledge. So I spoke up about what I know based on experience and observed research, and it defies her lone opinion. I even provided her w resources she'd ask for (for evidence to back my claim). So I offer no apologies to anyone for my reasonable informed opinion. Harsh? Lol I don't think so at all.

Nothing I’ve said was meant as an attack on the other poster, and I stated that early on. Unfortunately, someone’s ego occasionally gets big enough that they think they can rationally speak for everyone else who has their problem (mental illness in this case), even in the face of documented facts which oppose their singular view. And when that happens I’m at a loss to do anything about it. Nor do I care to. That’s about the other person, not me.