Conscious succubus experience

[OMS Transmitting]

Thanks for the therapy doc but I can do without your assumptions about me. You obviously don't read anything that I type. I don't want your apology, apathy, sympathy, etc. I am now just telling you to stop making this a personal attack. We aren't going to get along and we aren't going to find common ground.

I called you defensive (which you are, and it's obvious to anyone who reads this thread) and told you I'd concentrate on content instead of feeding into the hostility of your last post. Most of the last post was therefore spent satisfying your request for facts to back up my view, that opposes yours (and to help quell your skepticism re: my long-standing experience w/mentally ill people).

And now that I've presented that evidence you are suddenly silent about the topic of debate, choosing instead to focus on how you feel I'm treating you. But it would have been more interesting if you'd instead focused on reviewing and responding to the info you requested of me and comment on its impact on the discussion we're having. That you chose not to comment on this requestion info, is equally interesting.

The points supported were: That psychotic people largely exclaim their sense of possession or psychicness to the world. And that psychotic people who experience the world in alleged paranormal ways and announce "I am psychic" to others, aren't being stigmatized just because the observer dares to wonder if, gee perhaps that person or ppl who claim to be psychic ... really could be." There's still nothing to say that chemical imbalances can't trigger psychosis and concurrently (or consequently) psychicness or possession. We just don't know. You can't cry "stigma" based on misinformation, or lacking information, where the object of that alleged stigma has yet to be proven false.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

I agree with your first statement, but I do not with your second. When someone is not religous then what? How does something of the sort occur out of thin air?

I personally do not believe in the "stigmatized" demonic possession, however I do believe in possession of some sort.

There is 2 things about this...When I said demonic possession is purely a cultral or belief problem I was meaning that for some cultures who are still in the dark ages, demons do represent everything negitive, unknown or paranormal. Some people in the christian faiths believe that all paranormal experiences are demonic for example...Then there are those who do connect demonic possession to mental illness

IMO it's ignorance and misintepretation, but the driveing force behind it is a persons belief system, so it's not straight foward...How many times have we seen people here convinced that an experience was demonic/evil when infact nothing negitive appeared about the account? Belief can taint a persons logic no matter how intelligant.

The other issue is possession itself in spiritual terms. Alot of people believe in spirit/demon possession, The term possession to me means one entity taking over another entity ie the spirit, mind and body. I don't believe this can happen, BUT I do believe in attachment and spirit psychic attack. This differs from the idea of possession as being an entity temporarily residing within the energy field of another entity and feeding off or overpowering with their energy. To some mediums, esp trans-mediums this is considered a method of channeling and communication. The 'host' however remains in control of their body and mind ie, it wouldn't become a permnament fixture.... Although rare I think this can sometimes occur to people out of the blue and to people who have no hand in mediumship. I think this is what happend to your good friend Becca. He was temporarily channeling the energy of some entity, it may even have been an attack in the sense the entity spotted it could do this to your friend (for whatever reason) and took advantage...

[Waspie_Dwarf]

This thread seems to have wondered way off topic. It is supposed to be about Uraeus's experience not a general free for all on psychoanalysing each other. This thread is in danger of becoming a flame war. If it does not return on topic then this thread will have out served it's purpose and will be closed.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

There's still nothing to say that chemical imbalances can't trigger psychosis and concurrently (or consequently) psychicness or possession.

I'm coming from a completley different angle, Mediumistic abilties, receptiviness to the spirit world etc are not caused or triggered by chemical imbalances - Most people with these abilities are just born that way and it's something that's remains there to develop regardless of anything else going on if one wants to. I think we are all psychic to an extent, it's our 6th sense or intutation if you like.

[boorite]

Hi, Anvil. I'm wondering if you have an opinion on two things that I've heard can happen and that somehwat resemble spirit possession.

1. A person might play host to or resonate with "foreign energies." In this way, they might acquire thoughts and feelings that "aren't theirs," so to speak.

2. A person's body may be temporarily occupied by some other spirit while "the owner is away."

I don't know enough to form an opinion on these things and would like to consider other people's thoughts.

[coldethyl]

Never was particularly good at coddling peoples’ insecurities at the expense of a well-balanced, open-minded discussion.

No one is asking you to coddle anyone's anything. DID YOU READ ANYTHING THAT I POSTED? You are stepping way out of line here.

Which people said I come on strong … and who said it was because of my “background w people”?. There’s no doubt there are ppl who agree w my approach and those who don’t. Same w her. As for “harsh”, your e-buddy has made some pretty hostile (and silly) remarks by now (aimed at me as a poster), in response to my opposing view. So she's no victim here.

Do not include me in your discussions. Again, you are out of line. I haven't made any 'silly' statements. I've tried to make my point which was that mental illness does not need more stigma and several people have agreed with me. I have not told you that you couldn't have your little discussion on a message board. I know you must make time for this important thing in between your testing.

I even provided her w resources she'd ask for (for evidence to back my claim). So I offer no apologies to anyone for my reasonable informed opinion. Harsh? Lol I don't think so at all.

Bah on your 'resources'. Copy and paste and search yahoo's search engine? Puh lease. There are no studies that suggest that people who are mentally ill have more psychic ability than people who aren't because you can't prove psychic ability.

Nothing I’ve said was meant as an attack on the other poster, and I stated that early on. Unfortunately, someone’s ego occasionally gets big enough that they think they can rationally speak for everyone else who has their problem (mental illness in this case), even in the face of documented facts which oppose their singular view. And when that happens I’m at a loss to do anything about it. Nor do I care to. That’s about the other person, not me.

Yet you keep attacking me personally. Must be your insecurities. Also trying to present yourself as something that you aren't on a message board screams insecurity, don't you think?

I called you defensive (which you are, and it's obvious to anyone who reads this thread) and told you I'd concentrate on content instead of feeding into the hostility of your last post. Most of the last post was therefore spent satisfying your request for facts to back up my view, that opposes yours (and to help quell your skepticism re: my long-standing experience w/mentally ill people).

Again, telling me to use yahoo search engine on some articles published in pubmed doesn't prove anything. Thanks though.

And now that I've presented that evidence you are suddenly silent about the topic of debate, choosing instead to focus on how you feel I'm treating you. But it would have been more interesting if you'd instead focused on reviewing and responding to the info you requested of me and comment on its impact on the discussion we're having. That you chose not to comment on this requestion info, is equally interesting.

Actually I was trying to let it go. I was trying to let people have their discussion without worrying about me. I'd received several pms if you must know and I was backing down, but you just can't leave me alone, can you? Where do you want me to send the signed copy of my autobiography? Just let me know. I'll get that straight out.

The points supported were: That psychotic people largely exclaim their sense of possession or psychicness to the world. And that psychotic people who experience the world in alleged paranormal ways and announce "I am psychic" to others, aren't being stigmatized just because the observer dares to wonder if, gee perhaps that person or ppl who claim to be psychic ... really could be." There's still nothing to say that chemical imbalances can't trigger psychosis and concurrently (or consequently) psychicness or possession. We just don't know. You can't cry "stigma" based on misinformation, or lacking information, where the object of that alleged stigma has yet to be proven false.

The whole point IF YOU WOULD LISTEN is to not feed or create a stigma. I had no problem with the discussion (except for the mentally ill/possession part as boorite noted) as long as it was done responsibly. And I am just as much allowed to give my point of view as you are allowed to give yours.

[Lord Storm]

Good call Waspie!

Edited January 11, 2007 by Lord Storm

[coldethyl]

Good call Waspie!

Yeah sorry, I was posting the same time he was.

[Lord Storm]

ROFL such is life I did wonder where all the posts came from LOL

OMS its time to chill and get back on track, we are getting no where otherwise.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Hi, Anvil. I'm wondering if you have an opinion on two things that I've heard can happen and that somehwat resemble spirit possession.

1. A person might play host to or resonate with "foreign energies." In this way, they might acquire thoughts and feelings that "aren't theirs," so to speak.

2. A person's body may be temporarily occupied by some other spirit while "the owner is away."

I don't know enough to form an opinion on these things and would like to consider other people's thoughts.

Ok Boorite, this is just what I think

1. Mediums do this naturally when they channel the energy of a spirit but it's under control at all times and the medium can allow or disallow how far it goes..... Empaths can pick up on other peoples feelings or residual energy vibes. These to me would be examples of acquireing thoughts, feelings/sensations that do not belong to you.

2. I don't believe that another spirit can house it self within another persons body - but a 'walk in' is a mediumistic term that describes a spirit energy that comes in very close very quickly in attempt to channel thru the medium univited - it would be viewed as an attack if successful and the medium could be a little disorentated for a short while.

[Barek Halfhand]

This thread seems to have wondered way off topic. It is supposed to be about Uraeus's experience not a general free for all on psychoanalysing each other. This thread is in danger of becoming a flame war. If it does not return on topic then this thread will have out served it's purpose and will be closed.

oh cool! space dudes the Barn Boss in here sometimes.....greetings from a newbie...........B

[Barek Halfhand]

Colde, I’ll ignore your defensiveness and focus on content … Here is your requested info on related studies. It’s somewhere to start. I’d be happy to lead you to more sources by further request. Go to:

you also seem offended that someone would dare acknowledge that there may or may not be truth to such claims. Meanwhile you have no way of demonstrating that there’s no connection btw. psychosis and paranormal influences or abilities. To be fair there also exists no universal proof that there is a connection. Which means it is perfectly fair to say that there is a possibility some connection btw. psychosis and the paranormal exists … regardless of who gets offended.

Sorry so late to catch this gang as My ADHD was kicking in last nite....,Anyway while I admit as my post scanning shown me that you are a well educated individual and an extremely intelligent individual who's probable (it seems) Medical qualifications are indeed genuine (You really seem to need to assert that a lot) So I assure your opinions are valued here, but as I am charmed to learn this is not an aggressive format forum ,it I just a bunch of very "normal"and intelligent people you enjoy exchanging ideas ,thoughts and feelings when we feel like it...that said CE and OMS must now hug!...............B

Wayne: Party on Garth

Garth: Party on Wayne

Edited January 11, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[143]

But this is a talk forum; no less and no more. You seem like you have a big heart and care about people's feelings. But just IMO, being e-buddies doesn't obligate anyone to agree w a person about everything ... or even at all for that matter. And there's a problem when people feel like they have to walk on eggshells when discussing these matters w/someone in a talk forum lol. It's just an opinion for cripes sake lol.

Im sorry...I don't think I was walking on eggshells around anyone? I stated my opinion quite clearly. Its a little thing called respect. I respect her FEELINGS so I will not be DISRESPECTFUL and say things that may be offensive. Or atleast try not to.

And yes, you are harsh. You are also a flamer and we don't like those

Valuing a persons feelings is something we try to keep in mind around here. Regardless if we are more familiar with them or not.

I dont even know how to relate back to the OP because it has turned into such a mess, so I appologize that I have contributed to the flame war.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Becca L 143

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

The whole point IF YOU WOULD LISTEN is to not feed or create a stigma. I had no problem with the discussion (except for the mentally ill/possession part as boorite noted) as long as it was done responsibly. And I am just as much allowed to give my point of view as you are allowed to give yours.

Ethyl has made some fair and very valid points OMS, You really should listen and stop being so damn patronising...

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Psst Barek - I don't mean to nit pick but I notice that you're having trouble with the quotes I used to have a nightmare myself with them!!

I'm not sure what part of your last post is your words but to quote someone, just hit reply and enter your text below the body of text that shows. You can edit parts of the original message if you like, but make sure you don't delete the quote tags that are placed at the beginning and end

[Barek Halfhand]

Psst Barek - I don't mean to nit pick but I notice that you're having trouble with the quotes I used to have a nightmare myself with them!!

I'm not sure what part of your last post is your words but to quote someone, just hit reply and enter your text below the body of text that shows. You can edit parts of the original message if you like, but make sure you don't delete the quote tags that are placed at the beginning and end

just when i was starting to feel good about myself...thanks A..........B

Edited January 11, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[boorite]

Ok Boorite, this is just what I think

1. Mediums do this naturally when they channel the energy of a spirit but it's under control at all times and the medium can allow or disallow how far it goes..... Empaths can pick up on other peoples feelings or residual energy vibes. These to me would be examples of acquireing thoughts, feelings/sensations that do not belong to you.

Thanks.

Thinking about this is making me wonder if one of these bundles of foreign or residual energy or vibes or whatever can become organized and strong enough to appear as an independent entity, personality, demon, or whatever. Or if alienated parts of one's own psyche might take on a life of their own in this way. It might manifest as dissociative personality disorder, psychic fugue, spirit possession, or encounters with apparent demons, as in the OP's experience.

In fact, I've had a vague feeling from the beginning of this thread that the succubus represented an alienated aspect of the OP's own psyche or perceptions. I just wasn't sure how to articulate that. It's as if a person rejects or sequesters a part of himself, and that "fragment" might begin to act as if it is independent and has a mind of its own.

I wonder then if healing in this case would consist of reintegrating (owning?) one's own energies (as in Gestalt therapy) and perhaps releasing any foreign energies one has internalized and nurtured (something like cognitive-behavioral or rational-emotive therapies, and much like the spiritual practices of grounding, releasing, and even exorcism).

Just thinking in text here. Do you have any experience healing this sort of thing?

[OMS Transmitting]

Ok, you all ... I do agree that nothing particularly meaningful is likely to happen beyond this point in the discussion between Cold and I. Got my point across. Hopefully she did too. I will read back over the posts to see if there is a blind-spot I'm missing - I'll genuinely look to try and understand where I may have overlooked some or other offensive remark/s toward her. Uncalled for remarks of hers are forgotten already. I certainly hold nothing personal against Cold or anyone else here based on the discussion.

And lol! ... Yes, Uraeus, you deserve to have your thread back

Edited January 11, 2007 by OMS Transmitting

[Barek Halfhand]

Ok, you all ... I do agree that nothing particularly meaningful is likely to happen beyond this point in the discussion between Cold and I. Got my point across. Hopefully she did too. I will read back over the posts to see if there is a blind-spot I'm missing - I'll genuinely look to try and understand where I may have overlooked some or other offensive remark/s toward her. Uncalled for remarks of hers are forgotten already. I certainly hold nothing personal against Cold or anyone else here based on the discussion.

And lol! ... Yes, Uraeus, you deserve to have your thread back

think it would be killer if we kill this thread altogether and invite oms back to throw in his ideas in the now clarified mood we try to keep .....B Edited January 11, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[Leonardo]

Hey Leonardo - thanks for your welcome and thoughts .

To respond to your post:

The reason why i keep my virginity is because I wish to save myself for one woman, and that goes hand in hand with my faith. I've always been that way.

In addition, at the time of the experience three years ago, I was done with pornography for 3 months - and continue to stay off it to this day. I honestly didn't have a whole lot of curiosity towards sex for a while, especially at the point of the experience. Its onset was rapid, unexpected, and the experience was other-worldly in nature, as if I was experiencing the other side of physical sex to its fullest (although I can't speak from direct experience). It wasn't related at all to what pornography has to offer.

My main concern with pornography is that it is a sexual sin that opens up a gateway for demonic influence. I hadn't formally renounced it with a pastor, so I believe those doors were wide open.

The entity has never returned since. It was a one-time thing. In my honest opinion all issues aside, I believe it was a tool God used to keep me alive for the next several weeks, along with a way to heal me, at the expense of a few things I mentioned earlier in the thread. The thing that kicks me most is that this was not from God because it ended up being very destructive towards another person and myself later on. In that way, I can only conclude that it was from myself (which I have a hard time believing but not saying it's impossible) or it was some sort of demonic influence. It's complicated, but I'd be happy to talk more about it if anyone wants to know.

Curiosity in the subconscious is an excellent idea to put this to, but given the circumstances I don't think it is the case. Is there anything else you want to know given this post?

Uraeus,

Sounds like you've got yourself back on track so not much more I can add really.

You've got a great sig quote about learning - well this was an excellent learning experience. Often we have to experience doubt or anxiety to find out a little more about our strengths and limitations and it seems you have done just that. Seems this thread has attracted a lot of off-topic conversation but, hey, that's an indication of the interest this thread has generated.

Keep up the good work.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Leonardo

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

It's as if a person rejects or sequesters a part of himself, and that "fragment" might begin to act as if it is independent and has a mind of its own.

I'm not really sure to be honest....But along similar lines, some believe that a build up of projected negitive energy can create poltergiest activity or at least amplify it under the right conditions..Teenage girls for example..

As far as healing goes I'm only familar with it from a spiritual cleansing point of view, more to do with the cleansing and healing of negitive energies.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Anvil

[Radian]

Hi, Anvil. I'm wondering if you have an opinion on two things that I've heard can happen and that somehwat resemble spirit possession.

1. A person might play host to or resonate with "foreign energies." In this way, they might acquire thoughts and feelings that "aren't theirs," so to speak.

2. A person's body may be temporarily occupied by some other spirit while "the owner is away."

I don't know enough to form an opinion on these things and would like to consider other people's thoughts.

IMO! This seems like an example of Dissociative Identity disorder (DID). There have to be more than one "identity" and a "specific time frame for each to appear," and while the other "identities" are apparent as seperate. It's not like the person with DID can decide when the persalities take over... it's situational, the personalities maintain the same. Aquired thru emotional dealing.. The other identities have to be consciously aware of the other's "conscious awareness."

Edited January 11, 2007 by Sunny98

[Barek Halfhand]

IMO! This seems like an example of Dissociative Identity disorder (DID). There have to be more than one "identity" and a "specific time frame for each to appear," and while the other "identities" are apparent as seperate. It's not like the person with DID can decide when the persalities take over... it's situational, the personalities maintain the same. Aquired thru emotional dealing.. The other identities have to be consciously aware of the other's "conscious awareness."

as i have someone linked to me that has this (treated) condition I am embarrisingly ill informed on its components as I think is the case with the with the public in general ....more google topics....doh!..............B

after thought I want the think the attending MD also mentioned this condition WAS the result of of a much earlier "psychological trauma"

Edited January 12, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[coldethyl]

IMO! This seems like an example of Dissociative Identity disorder (DID). There have to be more than one "identity" and a "specific time frame for each to appear," and while the other "identities" are apparent as seperate. It's not like the person with DID can decide when the persalities take over... it's situational, the personalities maintain the same. Aquired thru emotional dealing.. The other identities have to be consciously aware of the other's "conscious awareness."

Wonder if that could have been coming thru with the manic psychosis? I know DID is a hotly debated topic for most psychologists.

[Xzeta]

Uraeus off topic but in terms of the quote under your sig...have you read "The Screw Tape Letters" by C S Lewis?