Conscious succubus experience

[SwampGator]

There was not one single attack by OMS towards Coldethyl unless I'm blind.

What I saw was someone with supposed experience telling what he has learned through such experience which was very interesting. The only attack I saw was on her behalf.

Maybe she can't handle the truth? She's the one that got defensive for no reason when someone was sharing his knowledge.

I respect you Coldethyl....but you went overboard and also hijacked the thread from the OP turning it from his experience into your illness which you could have kept quite about.

This is my opinion and if you read the thread from the beginning you will see this...friend or foe...

[Barek Halfhand]

Wonder if that could have been coming thru with the manic psychosis? I know DID is a hotly debated topic for most psychologists.

and in this debate is there a prevailing opinion that one of the personalities seemed manic where as one was at peace? .........B

Got the PM

glad we cool GF!

Edited January 12, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[Solidsdemise]

IMO! This seems like an example of Dissociative Identity disorder (DID). There have to be more than one "identity" and a "specific time frame for each to appear," and while the other "identities" are apparent as seperate. It's not like the person with DID can decide when the persalities take over... it's situational, the personalities maintain the same. Aquired thru emotional dealing.. The other identities have to be consciously aware of the other's "conscious awareness."

I wasn't sure if you were trying to relate it to the experience... But it wasn't related to the experience.

That aside, I believe that demon posession is a separate topic from this - if someone would be willing to start a thread about it, I think it would be good for this thread to keep it out. I'm a newcomer though, so I don't know if those more experienced would agree.

[Solidsdemise]

Uraeus,

Sounds like you've got yourself back on track so not much more I can add really.

You've got a great sig quote about learning - well this was an excellent learning experience. Often we have to experience doubt or anxiety to find out a little more about our strengths and limitations and it seems you have done just that. Seems this thread has attracted a lot of off-topic conversation but, hey, that's an indication of the interest this thread has generated.

Keep up the good work.

Thank you

[Solidsdemise]

Wonder if that could have been coming thru with the manic psychosis? I know DID is a hotly debated topic for most psychologists.

DID is indeed hot stuff in the scientific community - many claim it doesn't exist. I'm not well educated or have explored the mechanisms of it, but I did have an encounter with someone in the hospital who had distinct personalities, and I felt an unusual susceptibility to one of his personalities that had well special abilities to put it mildly. But anyways I'm getting off topic.

[Solidsdemise]

Uraeus off topic but in terms of the quote under your sig...have you read "The Screw Tape Letters" by C S Lewis?

^^^FASCINATING read. I actually read it about 9 times... C.S. Lewis puts to light the mechanisms of temptation very well.

[Radian]

as i have someone linked to me that has this (treated) condition I am embarrisingly ill informed on its components as I think is the case with the with the public in general ....more google topics....doh!..............B

after thought I want the think the attending MD also mentioned this condition WAS the result of of a much earlier "psychological trauma"

LOL! You're a hoot!

[Solidsdemise]

There was not one single attack by OMS towards Coldethyl unless I'm blind.

What I saw was someone with supposed experience telling what he has learned through such experience which was very interesting. The only attack I saw was on her behalf.

Maybe she can't handle the truth? She's the one that got defensive for no reason when someone was sharing his knowledge.

I respect you Coldethyl....but you went overboard and also hijacked the thread from the OP turning it from his experience into your illness which you could have kept quite about.

This is my opinion and if you read the thread from the beginning you will see this...friend or foe...

Guys please, let this whole issue come to rest. If we focus on personal attacks and reading peoples' minds, this thread will be snuffed.

[Solidsdemise]

I have other questions... I invite anyone who's had someone have a similar succubus-like encounter, or if you've had one yourself, please post or PM me...

Also, are there any people who have access to books describing the succubus, whether pastoral or other to recommend related to a succubus encounter? Any other resources more in-depth than wilkepedia (which provides an excellent summary btw)?

Thanks

[Radian]

There was not one single attack by OMS towards Coldethyl unless I'm blind.

This is my opinion and if you read the thread from the beginning you will see this...friend or foe...

There didn't have to be an attack directly to Ethyl, Gator, or anyone else specific. The attack was on people (in this case, the mentally ill) as a whole. I have personally had folks from these local churches come to me hinting to me my daugher's autism is demonic. Are they no more spiritually educated as MR. OMS who has the experience with the mentally ill? It's ok for him to assume demonic, but not ok for the church? ... That is offensive to me, b/c it is. It places them (mentally ill) in another catogory far worse than what they've already been placed in. --- that's how I feel about it- or maybe I am wrong & everything is blew out of context here.....

Edited January 12, 2007 by Sunny98

[SwampGator]

There was no attack on anyone.

You say there was an attack on "mentally ill" people. Show me where.

OMS never said he was spiritually educated and I never mentioned a church.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

All he did was share his experience.

[OMS Transmitting]

That is accurate Gator. There was no attack against mentally ill people, ever. And it was also plainly stated that one should seek medical intervention first and foremost in the face of psychotic symptoms ... a religious fundamentalist might decide on an exoricism first.

I made that point that, while mental illness is often treated effectively w med.s, none of us are qualified to rule out the possibility that there may be a paranormal component to psychosis as well, especially when many psychotic individuals claim paranormal powers and possession w/out others bringing the idea up first.

Understand: I never stated that a paranormal component, trigger, etc. was a certainty, rather that it is a possibility. It's a huge distinction that deserves mention. There really is nothing radical or scandalous about this opinion.

Edited January 12, 2007 by OMS Transmitting

[Barek Halfhand]

That is accurate Gator. There was no attack against mentally ill people, ever. And it was also plainly stated that one should seek medical intervention first and foremost in the face of psychotic symptoms ... a religious fundamentalist might decide on an exoricism first.

I made that point that, while mental illness is often treated effectively w med.s, none of us are qualified to rule out the possibility that there may be a paranormal component to psychosis as well, especially when many psychotic individuals claim paranormal powers and possession w/out others bringing the idea up first.

Understand: I never stated that a paranormal component, trigger, etc. was a certainty, rather that it is a possibility. It's a huge distinction that deserves mention. There really is nothing radical or scandalous about this opinion.

okay back to topics! you must agree that the cases where an exorcism has circumvented these continued "possessions"are a legitimate tactic to employ in certain extreme cases , now if this serves to only exacerbate these demonic delusions? only further studies will tell...and keep the replies simple O I don't want to read another dissertation paper! .............B

Edited January 12, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[Barek Halfhand]

^^^FASCINATING read. I actually read it about 9 times... C.S. Lewis puts to light the mechanisms of temptation very well.

MORE google topics for Barek ...double doh!............B

way off topic: anyone know the rules about use of RSS feeds here mail me pleez

Edited January 12, 2007 by Barek Halfhand

[boorite]

Uraeus,

It seems apparent to me, judging from the way you tell your story in post #1, that you had gone from a state of overindulging your sexual self ("pornography addiction") to extreme rejection and denial of your sexual self (no "release" for 3 months). You identified with nonsexual aspects of your psyche while alienating the sexual aspect. In other words, you said to yourself, "'I' am this nonsexual stuff over here, and that sexual stuff over there is not 'me.' That is something other." You disowned a part of yourself.

I suggest to you that this alienated or disowned part of yourself, cut off from your identity and your sense of "I," continued to be energetic and active. Denied nurturance and satisfaction, its appetite grew. Eventually, it built up to a point where it would have to do something to get your attention, and since you defined it out of your self, it could only appear to you as other. This disowned fragment of self took the form of the demon succubus, I think, because that's a form that's printed deeply on the human psyche.

I'm not saying that something "paranormal" or mysterious didn't occur. I am, however, suggesting that whatever it was, it seems apparent that it came from you. Your own denied sexual energies appeared to you in the form of the succubus.

If that is true, then what you need to do to avoid further encounters with strange or demonic creatures is to reintegrate your sexual aspect into your identity. That is, you have to own your sexuality. Somewhere between pornography addiction and total self-denial lies a happy medium, and you need to find it, or else you'll continue to be a self divided. If you're a believer, then one healing ritual might be to pray in such a way that you offer yourself to God, all of yourself, to build with and to do with as He would, and ask Him to remove anything that gets in the way of fulfilling His will for you. I have a feeling that if the split inside you is healed, you'll stop having demonic encounters.

Please consider this and let me know what you think about it.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

I wish a succubus would come vist me nightly. Edited January 12, 2007 by ericraven2003

[coldethyl]

There was not one single attack by OMS towards Coldethyl unless I'm blind.

What I saw was someone with supposed experience telling what he has learned through such experience which was very interesting. The only attack I saw was on her behalf.

Maybe she can't handle the truth? She's the one that got defensive for no reason when someone was sharing his knowledge.

I respect you Coldethyl....but you went overboard and also hijacked the thread from the OP turning it from his experience into your illness which you could have kept quite about.

This is my opinion and if you read the thread from the beginning you will see this...friend or foe...

I don't wish to derail again.

I don't know why you decided to bring this up, you could have just pmed me and told me you didn't want to hear about my illness.

I've already apologized for derailing and things were going fine.

If you think it's okay the way I was spoken to in those threads, that is your perogative. Please if anyone else wants to gripe at me, do it in pm so the OP can have his thread back.

Thanks.

[Jeffryw]

Next time you dream of a succubus......you must try and destroy her.

[Solidsdemise]

I suggest to you that this alienated or disowned part of yourself, cut off from your identity and your sense of "I," continued to be energetic and active. Denied nurturance and satisfaction, its appetite grew. Eventually, it built up to a point where it would have to do something to get your attention, and since you defined it out of your self, it could only appear to you as other. This disowned fragment of self took the form of the demon succubus, I think, because that's a form that's printed deeply on the human psyche.

I'm not saying that something "paranormal" or mysterious didn't occur. I am, however, suggesting that whatever it was, it seems apparent that it came from you. Your own denied sexual energies appeared to you in the form of the succubus.

If that is true, then what you need to do to avoid further encounters with strange or demonic creatures is to reintegrate your sexual aspect into your identity. That is, you have to own your sexuality. Somewhere between pornography addiction and total self-denial lies a happy medium, and you need to find it, or else you'll continue to be a self divided. If you're a believer, then one healing ritual might be to pray in such a way that you offer yourself to God, all of yourself, to build with and to do with as He would, and ask Him to remove anything that gets in the way of fulfilling His will for you. I have a feeling that if the split inside you is healed, you'll stop having demonic encounters.

Please consider this and let me know what you think about it.

Thank you for your careful thoughts and considerations.

As far as my sexuality, it has remained healthily integrated since a few months after the experience. Prayer was a powerful tool, along with finding healthy coping mechanisms in psychotherapy, and psychotropic drugs aid it as well (in light of my disorder). Also, becoming educated about sexual struggles has helped with my own problems in this area. So far, I've not had any more encounters.

However, what's so disconcerting to me is that my experience is almost verbatim to general descriptions online, wings and all, and that I had no idea what a succubus was until now. My pastor is helping me through this right now, and he is performing research on the topic in the church literature and elsewhere.

I find it interesting your idea that my own psyche created such a real experience. However, if it's true that it followed a pattern with others, I wonder if it has to do with something acting outside of ourselves.

One way that the being proved she was an entity outside of myself I mentioned earlier in the thread - in that she told me things about other people, events, etc., that were confirmed by them later. Shortly afterwards, stranger things happened in my psyche - I was able to guess playing cards 100% of the time in the hospital, and other things. I can't do that now and never wish to ever try that again.

I also like your observation about my sexual state being grossly imbalanced may have brought this on. I believe it contributed... Earlier in the thread, someone posted that traditionally, the succubus visited monks and those with sexual frustrations.

Nevertheless, through ways I mentioned above I've become healthier sexually, and I haven't had any more visitations.

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Nevertheless, through ways I mentioned above I've become healthier sexually, and I haven't had any more visitations.

The only story that could relate to what you just said I have read, is about a woman who claimed the incubus was sexually arousing her after her husband had died a few years ago. She said it never happened before that and only after.

[~Onyx~]

Next time you dream of a succubus......you must try and destroy her.

I agree, but only if she can't do laundry properly..otherwise...she's a keeper.

[Solidsdemise]

The only story that could relate to what you just said I have read, is about a woman who claimed the incubus was sexually arousing her after her husband had died a few years ago. She said it never happened before that and only after.

Thanks for sharing the story... Was it published online?

[Leonardo]

Onyx,

Mine was a great housekeeper but she was constantly smoking. The whole house just reeked of sulphur. She had to go...

Uraeus,

Sorry about the above. Can't resist a quip when it is invited so...

I'm intrigued as to whether you think this experience was easier or more difficult for you to cope with having come to the belief it was an actual visitation rather than an expression of your subconscious?

If it was me, I certainly would have found it simpler to 'foist off' any thought that I was expressing desire I did not wish to by externalising the experience onto an entity. It seems a bit like abrogating responsibility. I don't mean this to sound accusatory, regardless of the method you seem to have resolved the issue and that is to your credit.

I don't have any religious convictions of my own and it seems to me that religion and psychology can sometimes be almost diametrically opposite. Whereas in psychology and psychiatry the patient is taught to have faith in self, in religion the 'patient' or worshipper is taught to have faith is something other than self. A question arises as to whether a person of strong religious conviction can ever have true faith in psychology?

Any thoughts?

[~Onyx~]

Onyx,

Mine was a great housekeeper but she was constantly smoking. The whole house just reeked of sulphur. She had to go...

.....I guess you gotta draw the line somewhere.

[boorite]

... So far, I've not had any more encounters.

Very good to hear!

However, what's so disconcerting to me is that my experience is almost verbatim to general descriptions online, wings and all, and that I had no idea what a succubus was until now. My pastor is helping me through this right now, and he is performing research on the topic in the church literature and elsewhere.

I find it interesting your idea that my own psyche created such a real experience. However, if it's true that it followed a pattern with others, I wonder if it has to do with something acting outside of ourselves.

One way that the being proved she was an entity outside of myself I mentioned earlier in the thread - in that she told me things about other people, events, etc., that were confirmed by them later. Shortly afterwards, stranger things happened in my psyche - I was able to guess playing cards 100% of the time in the hospital, and other things. I can't do that now and never wish to ever try that again.

Yes, this is why I wouldn't say that nothing paranormal (or at least mysterious) happened. When I say that an alienated fragment of your own psyche took on a sort of life of its own and appeared to you in the form of the succubus, I don't mean that it was all in your head or that you just made it up. Like you, I'm very interested in the fact that so many people report such a similar thing, and that it's often accompanied by other strange happenings. It seems as though something is being activated that is beyond what we normally think of as individual "imagination" or "fantasy." Two concepts seem helpful here: archetypes of the collective unconscious (Jung) and tulpas or thoughtforms. I wonder if we're dealing with something like that.

Don't be disconcerted, though. You found out what the fundamental problem was, and you found a solution. And by posting here, you've helped me understand some things I may not have understood before.