Skull n 'Bones/CIA/Air America/Hells Angels

[thunkerdrone]

Like bush and kerry said...it's a secret..........perpetual war for perpetual profit; is the game....that's the big secret...

check out the war casualties ONE WEEK into the Iraq war, all of them 'accidental' or 'self-inflicted' (what the hell is going on here?!)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/07/1049567623996.html

Friendly fire incidents and accidents

April 8 2003

Following is a chronology of friendly fire incidents in Iraq and accidents that have claimed the lives of about 40 coalition troops and injured several dozen since the start of the war on March 20.

ACCIDENTS:

March 21: A US helicopter crashes in Kuwait killing eight British and four American crewmen.

March 22: Two helicopters from Britain's Royal Navy collide in mid-air over international waters in the Gulf killing the seven crewmen on board.

March 23: Two US Marines are killed and four others are injured in two separate road accidents in Kuwait and Iraq.

March 30: Three US Marines are killed and one is injured when their transport helicopter crashes in southern Iraq. The Pentagon said the crash appeared to be an accident.

April 6: The US military says three American soldiers are killed and five are injured in an accident involving an F-15 Eagle fighter jet and coalition troops on the ground.

The US Central Command is also investigating another similar incident that reportedly left one US soldier dead and several injured.

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds.

AFP

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Edited March 20, 2007 by thunkerdrone

[Unlimited]

I heard pat tillman was shot more than 60 times?.....

[thunkerdrone]

I heard pat tillman was shot more than 60 times?.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/sto...mp;lid=tab1pos1

Early in the evening of April 22, 2004, a heavily armored vehicle in the trailing half of a split platoon came under attack from enemy fire in the rugged mountainous terrain of southeastern Afghanistan. Soldiers in a Humvee opened fire in retaliation but instead shot at fellow Rangers positioned ahead, killing Pat Tillman and an Afghan soldier standing 10 feet off Tillman's left shoulder. The former NFL safety — the Army's most celebrated volunteer — took three bullets to the forehead.

Three days removed from the ambush and the ensuing firefight, it wasn't the memory of the rounds of gunshots raining clouds of rock and dust down the towering canyon walls that troubled Spc. Ryan Mansfield. It was the madness of making sense of it all.

Two years after Pat Tillman's death, many questions remain unanswered.

Spc. Pat Tillman was dead.

Sitting in a crammed tent at Camp Salerno, the Army's Forward Operating Base in the province of Khowst, Afghanistan, Mansfield witnessed the raw emotion and friction in the unit as the soldiers agonized over the tragic outcome of the mission. An Army chaplain pulled up a seat. So did an Army psychiatrist as squad leaders and high-ranking officers joined the 30 or so young Rangers still fresh from their first firefight.

The soldiers in the Black Sheep platoon didn't need a tidy, bureaucratic Army inquiry to tell them what they already knew: Pat Tillman had been killed in a case of fratricide, otherwise known as friendly fire, by someone among them at the meeting.

By then, they knew that. Like Mansfield, though, many of them were struggling with how it had happened. With why it had happened. With the awful enormity of it all.

"It was emotional," said Mansfield, then 20 years old and a gunner in the vehicle that had been just in front of Tillman's, in an interview with ESPN.com. "Some people had things they said that other people didn't want to hear. It was just pretty personal. People in the second serial [the trailing half of the platoon] had a different perspective of what happened than people in the first. …"

In Their Words

Listen to firsthand accounts of what transpired the day Pat Tillman died from a radio telephone operator who also was hit by friendly fire, two additional soldiers in the firefight, and the lieutenant colonel who directed the Army's first official investigation into the incident.

More from others shot that day ...

Jade Lane was less than 100 yards from Pat Tillman when both U.S. soldiers were shot by friendly fire in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Tillman died on the scene after being struck by three shots to the head. Lane returned home to cope with the memories of being injured by fellow Rangers.

David Uthlaut graduated at the head of his class at West Point and marched in President Bush's inauguration parade in 2001. He had never lost a soldier under his command ... until the day Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire in southeastern Afghanistan. Uthault also was shot on April 22, 2004, and the platoon leader now calls coping with the aftermath of the incident "the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with."

Two years after Tillman's death, the perspectives on the circumstances are still very much at odds and the story is still very much alive. As the Defense Department Inspector General's Office nears the completion of yet another investigation into Tillman's death, many very important questions remain unanswered.

• Are the Rangers who fired at Tillman and their other fellow soldiers guilty of criminal wrongdoing?

• Why did the Army glorify Tillman's actions on the battlefield during the firefight in which he was killed?

• Did the Army purposely conceal that Tillman had been killed by friendly fire? If so, why?

• And did the Army consciously puff up the Tillman story by awarding the dead soldier a Silver Star, its third-highest distinction for combat valor, to go along with his Purple Heart and a posthumous promotion from specialist to corporal?

For reasons that remain under investigation more than two years later, the Pentagon elected for almost five weeks after the incident not to disclose the fact Tillman had been gunned down by members of his own platoon. Yet some in Tillman's unit knew the night it happened. ESPN.com found that word of the fratricide had filtered through the ranks within a day or two of Tillman's death.

Army brass calling the shots from Camp Salerno also understood what had to be, for them, the discomfiting news about the elite group of soldiers expected to live and fight by a Ranger Creed that reads, in part, "I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy, and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country." According to one of the documents obtained by ESPN.com, an Army official flown in to join the platoon the day after the shooting as part of the April 25, 2004, debriefing process told Army investigators, "I think at that point people already knew that it was a fratricide." He said, "So when I say 'people' — leadership, okay."

In the meeting three days after Tillman's death, however, chaos and unanswered questions dominated the warm night air as Mansfield and the rest of the unit tried to understand how a Ranger — one of the soldiers who even then was with them under their tent — had killed the most famous soldier in the war. As the meeting progressed, the young men took turns pitching their piece of the big picture. Words like "bad judgment" and "panic" were tossed about. Gossip and suspicion flowed freely.

complete article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/sto...mp;lid=tab1pos1

[Hungrii Flea-Bagius]

The CIA does NOT use "Air America" as a front

Thats the HOLYWEIRD version of it all and its proliferated to "DIVERT" attention

From the "REAL" front company for the CIA which has been around for a long time

Evergreen Aviation is "the" front company for CIA air operations GLOBALLY

It is an International "company" it is also tied to EVERGREEN AVIATION that build

"Sparaying Aircraft" whic spray everything from fire supressants to aeresols to bug

abatement.....do a search into Evergreen Aviation CIA and youll start to put it all together

Air America is for CT's to use to divert attention unsuspectingly without even realizing it

dont buy the Hollweird Name it is covering Evergreen

[itsnotoutthere]

You are without doubt a 100%, gold nugget, top dollar, A1, first class, top of the line, first pass the post, loon.

American military don't need an excuse to shoot up their own allies, everybody knows they're 'gung ho' & will take any opertunity to 'loose one off' given half the chance, hell we lost more troops in the original Iraqi war to American 'friendly fire' than we did to the enemy, why do you think that many other European countries are smart reluctant to fight along side them.

[thunkerdrone]

The CIA does NOT use "Air America" as a front

Thats the HOLYWEIRD version of it all and its proliferated to "DIVERT" attention

From the "REAL" front company for the CIA which has been around for a long time

Evergreen Aviation is "the" front company for CIA air operations GLOBALLY

It is an International "company" it is also tied to EVERGREEN AVIATION that build

"Spraying Aircraft" whic spray everything from fire supressants to aeresols to bug

abatement.....do a search into Evergreen Aviation CIA and youll start to put it all together

Air America is for CT's to use to divert attention unsuspectingly without even realizing it

dont buy the Hollweird Name it is covering Evergreen

thank you for the tip. I meant to say 'the CIA's secret airline is dubbed 'Air America' ,

in other words it is a tongue in cheek nickname that is used by special forces and CIA insiders.

[Spunned]

Wednesday, January 31, 2007

Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq

Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq

British soldiers desperately released friendly fire smoke canisters, before A10 bombers swooped in for a second attack

Paul Joseph Watson

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...c7-8820e5e30bff

[thunkerdrone]

watch this brief video trailer for the Universal Pictures

movie Skulls , about the Skull & Bones society:

http://movies.virginmedia.com/player/defau...301&sec=trl

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/initiation/index.html

[jimmyphelps]

pretty cool vids thanks man i enjoyed them

they were pretty interesting i thought

[jaylemurph]

watch this brief video trailer for the Universal Pictures

movie Skulls , about the Skull & Bones society:

http://movies.virginmedia.com/player/defau...301&sec=trl

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/initiation/index.html

...Skulls? You're putting forth the fictional movie Skulls as evidence of anything?!

That's like touting Julius Caesar or Richard III as accurate representations of historical conspiracy, but with less literary taste.

--Jaylemurph

[thunkerdrone]

Skulls II trailer:

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/skulls2/skulls2_trailer.html

Skulls III trailer:

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/skulls3/skulls3_trailer.html

[thunkerdrone]

...Skulls? You're putting forth the fictional movie Skulls as evidence of anything?!

not really. I just threw these into the mix for entertainment purposes mainly. Just to add to the general public awareness.

A lot of people do not know that Hollywood films have been done about this, and I thought they would find this information

interesting.

[jaylemurph]

no those services are provided by taxes payed By corporate America Not Personal tax

which is basically illegal any how....I suspect the reader Just got through watching

America Freedom to Fascism by arron Russo which really does an excellent Job of

showing us all how we have been duped by the Government and the IRS...

you should watch it and then also look into Irwinn Schiff and learn the realities of the

LIES perpatrated by the Government against its people....your Voters registration

card when signed is HOW they legally bind you into paying an illegal income tax

This is America 101

not really. I just threw these into the mix for entertainment purposes mainly. Just to add to the general public awareness.

A lot of people do not know that Hollywood films have been done about this, and I thought they would find this information

interesting.

Ahhh. Point quite taken, thunker. I still think Julius Caesar and Richard III are better examples, though!

--Jaylemurph

[Bill Hill]

It's not these guys responsible for the insurgents

It's those guys, below

Now, I know they both have beards/ strange hair growth etc but there is a difference...

Edited March 25, 2007 by billyhill

[asc.rudeboy]

the reason bikers are a huge part of protesting anti war protestors,because many served or have had family and friends that serve,,working class people showing support for fellow working class.its always been this way.farmers,plant,dock workers,the list goes on and on..

[thunkerdrone]

It's not these guys responsible for the insurgents

yes, its not bikers, its these guys (Special Forces):

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Her...ecialForces.htm

a lot of these guys become bikers in their 'retirement' when they return to the U.S. (A lot of them help distribute the drugs being brought in by the CIA mafia) Some of them are already junkies while drug running overseas, so they join a biker gang when they get back in order to stay hooked up and feed their habit.

Special Forces Harley

http://auto.military.com/roadwarriors/view...oom/106516.html

"The scenes painted on the bike represent Special Forces soldiers and the high ideals which they ascribe to. Many of the scenes are depicted from his personal experiences while in Vietnam. He served two tours of eighteen months each with Operational "A" Detachments.

Edited April 1, 2007 by thunkerdrone

[jimmyphelps]

Your Generalizing statements

its doing nothing for your position

you should not fall into this trap

what your saying is half truths

none of which are All truths

[thunkerdrone]

Your Generalizing statements

its doing nothing for your position

you should not fall into this trap

what your saying is half truths

none of which are All truths

speaking of generalizations, could you be a bit more specific?

[Hungrii Flea-Bagius]

I just E-mailed a link of this thread to sonny barger and the boys

lets see what they have to say if they even BOTHER with this

[thunkerdrone]

check out this video of FBI agent Michael Ruppert

confronting the director of the CIA on CIA drug smuggling into American inner cities:

(someone says "watch his hands" at 2:18, and notice the masonic hand signals he flashes as he answers Ruppert)

to see another example of masonic hand signals go this video and fast-forward

to 5:57:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...jones&hl=en

[Redtail]

speaking of generalizations, could you be a bit more specific?

Ok I can't Speak for Jimmy, I'm NOT a 1%er but I know guys who are. Jimmy Claims to be a 15er and from what i've seen him say on this subject I believe him. Now if you look at other threads where Jimmy and I have posted you'll see that we haven't agreed. (until this one)

Yes there are many former SPECWAR guys in 1% clubs but the lifestyle is one that would not mesh with an NWO type mindset. Forget all of the biker movies you've seen. 1%ers want to ride, party, provide for their families (Family by blood and family by deed <the patch>) and be left alone. The way the government has gone after these clubs with RICO and such, has bred a strong distrust. Yes the clubs love America, and yes I believe they would fight for America. But IF there are elements that are doing such things in the Hell's Angels or any other club they are moles that were working for the government to begin with most likely trying to get info on the Angels.

As far as the bike pic. My bike will soon have insignia from 10th cav, 369th INF, 761st tank bat, 332nd pursuit, etc... One's bike tends to reflect ones self.

[thunkerdrone]

Yes there are many former SPECWAR guys in 1% clubs but the lifestyle is one that would not mesh with an NWO type mindset.

what do you mean by new world order mindset?

specifics? what exactly are you trying to say? An elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc. would object to having highly trained former special forces soldiers running their smack for them in the U.S.?

The way the government has gone after these clubs with RICO and such, has bred a strong distrust.

It depends on which arm of the government of which you speak. The 'government' is not some one-headed entity that works of one will and purpose on all fronts.

It is many-faceted.

Elements of the government are under public pressure to take action against drug smuggling. That they tend to apply this 'action' quite selectively is another matter entirely.

Other elements of the government work under the guise of secrecy and 'national security' and do whatever the hell they want. There is a constant ongoing struggle between many factions and interests within government. What is clear is that profiteers within the military-industrial complex

decided long ago to take over international narcotics trafficking and use their connections within the intelligence community. Independent start-ups who operate outside of this network

often end up dead or in jail.

IF there are elements that are doing such things in the Hell's Angels or any other club they are moles that were working for the government to begin with most likely trying to get info on the Angels.

I agree. They are moles working for the military-industrial complex/CIA to make sure that they maintain their monopoly and no one in the network steps out of line and goes into business for themselves.

Edited April 1, 2007 by thunkerdrone

[Redtail]

what do you mean by new world order mindset?

specifics?

The "we are going to have a shadow governtment that will run the entire world from behind the scenes" midset.

what exactly are you trying to say? An elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc. would object to having highly trained former special forces soldiers running their smack for them in the U.S.?

Nope. I'm saying that the Hells Angels as an organization wouldn't whave their members who are highly trained former special forces soilders running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.

It depends on which arm of the government of which you speak. The 'government' is not some one-headed entity that works of one will and purpose on all fronts.

It is many-faceted.

Elements of the government are under public pressure to take action against drug smuggling. That they tend to apply this 'action' quite selectively is another matter entirely.

Other elements of the government work under the guise of secrecy and 'national security' and do whatever the hell they want. There is a constant ongoing struggle between many factions and interests within government. What is clear is that profiteers within the military-industrial complex

decided long ago to take over international narcotics trafficking and use their connections within the intelligence community. Independent start-ups who operate outside of this network

often end up dead or in jail.

But the HAMC is not going to have anything to do with any branch that harms personal freedom.

I agree. They are moles working for the military-industrial complex/CIA to make sure that they maintain their monopoly and no one in the network steps out of line and goes into business for themselves.

No the moles are in the HAMC so they they can rat on the club. For example.

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special4...lsangels23.html

[thunkerdrone]

No the moles are in the HAMC so they they can rat on the club. For example.

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special4...lsangels23.html

Once again, there are many facets and factions to government. Theses 'moles ' you speak of are likely FBI informants, not CIA operatives. When it comes

to intelligence operations, the CIA/NSA is supreme. The FBI, with its limited resources and transparency does not stand a chance against the CIA and the

military-industrial complex. Michael Ruppert is proof that the CIA regularly recruits agents even within the FBI as plants and spies and saboteurs.

[thunkerdrone]

I'm saying that the Hells Angels as an organization wouldn't have their members who are highly trained former special forces soilders running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.

Wishful thinking, imo.

The facts do not bear that out at all. The Hells Angels have in fact frequently had among them members who are highly trained former special forces soldiers

who have on many occasions been caught running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.