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here in germany recently there has been a story about a brother and sister who have had 4 kids and want to continue without being punished. they say the laws out dated :o i thought having sex with siblings was reserved for the aristocracy :lol:

Brother and sister fight Germany's incest laws

A German brother and sister are challenging the law against incest so that they can continue their relationship free from the threat of imprisonment.

Patrick Stübing, an unemployed locksmith, and his sister Susan have had four children together since starting a sexual relationship in 2000. Three of the children are in foster care, and two have unspecified disabilities.

The couple, who live near Leipzig, grew up separately and only met many years later. Their supporters say they will fight until incest is no longer regarded as a criminal offence, arguing that the law is out of date. They say it harks back to the racial hygiene laws of the Third Reich and should be overturned in favour of freedom of choice and sexual determination. Detractors insist that incest should remain a social taboo, largely because of the risks linked to inbreeding and the imbalance in social relations it inevitably causes.

A film and a book are planned about the Stübings, who remain defiant about breaking one of the few remaining sexual taboos in Western society.

Stübing (30) has spent over two years behind bars for having sex with his sister and faces another prison sentence if paragraph 173 of the legal code is not overturned. His sister has never been imprisoned because she has always been tried as an adolescent.

The couple were born into the same family but Patrick was already living apart from his mother when his sister was born. After a life spent in children's homes, Stübing was reunited with his mother, Annemarie, in Leipzig in 2000, when he met his sister for the first time. Six months after the reunion, their mother died of a heart attack.

The siblings fell in love, and their son Eric was born in 2002, followed by Sarah, now four, Nancy, three, and Sofia, one. Two of the children are known to have disabilities, although it is not known whether they are a result of inbreeding, or because they were born prematurely. All the children except Sofia have been taken into foster care. Mr Stübing has since been sterilised.

Speaking to a German newspaper, Mr Stübing said the couple decided to have more children after the authorities took their first-born away. "The younger children might not have been born had they not taken the first one from us," he said. "We just want to make sure that we don't lose everything again."

Ms Stübing shook her head when asked if the couple felt guilty about their relationship. "No," she said. "I just want us to be able to live together."

Addressing the issue of two of the children's disabilities, Mr Stübing would only say: "It's true that Eric has epilepsy, but otherwise everything's fine with him."

"Our aim is to get paragraph 173 abolished," Ms Stübing said. "And I would like to have my children back again."

Germany's courts have not doubted the earnest nature of the relationship. But in German law sex with a close relative is forbidden and punishable by up to three years in prison.

Endrik Wilhelm, the couple's lawyer, said they had little choice but to fight the existing law. "It's clear, if you face jail, and the only way you can prevent this is by overturning the law, that's what you will try to do," he told the Guardian.

He said that the couple were causing no harm to others. "Everyone should be able to do what he wants as long as it doesn't harm others."

Incest is not illegal in many of Germany's neighbouring countries, he said. The law was a "historical relic".

Napoleon abolished France's incest laws in 1810. Neither is it a crime in The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, Portugal or Turkey. Japan, Argentina and Brazil have also legalised it in recent years.

Incest is forbidden in Britain, where the law was extended in 2002 to include not just those with blood ties, but also step-parents and their children and in cases of adoptions.

But opponents of changing the law say it exists for a good purpose.

"When siblings have a child together, there is only a 50% chance that it will be healthy when it is born," said Jürgen Kunze, professor of human genetics at Berlin's Charite hospital.

Germany's constitutional court is expected to decide on the Stübings' appeal in four to six weeks' time. - Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=...rticleid=300394

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Incest should be allowed as long as there is no procreation, is my view.

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Incest should be allowed as long as there is no procreation, is my view.

Well I hope you're just viewing it and not doing it.

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why's that, explorer; not that I am but what possible impact could it have on you if I were???????

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Personally I find even the idea of incest very distasteful. But who am I to judge? I guess to each it’s own. BUT for them to reproduce is very wrong and selfish. Each pregnancy already has risks of deformity and abnormalities as it is. Why knowingly add to those risks? Even through they thump their noses at anti-incest laws I’m willing to bet they wont thump their noses at laws which provide social benefits for abnormal children they knowingly created.

Their mother died of an heart attach? Well, I can’t say that surprises me ….

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Its the impact on the kids produced from this kind of relationship i'd be worried about. Even ignoring the health risks to the offspring, your mum an dad being bro an sis has to mess with your head big time :unsure2:

Incest should be allowed as long as there is no procreation, is my view.

Balls to that!! i think it should stay banned outright......But you know .... what ever floats your boat. Though i have to say, i bet people wont be reffering to you as "saint" now your incest lust has been outed. :P

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Each to their own? Not this time. You have to draw a line somewhere, and that line is drawn at banging your sister. It's totally wrong. And it sort of makes me feel sick.

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Each to their own? Not this time. You have to draw a line somewhere, and that line is drawn at banging your sister. It's totally wrong. And it sort of makes me feel sick.

Who's it hurting? They're consenting adults so what's wrong with it then. Nobody is forcing you to do it.

I don't mind it either as long as they don't have children with each other.

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Nothin' spells lovin' like marryin' yer cousin.

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The incest tabu is one of the oldest human traditions, found in almost all the human cultures. But, it was created in a time were a sexual relation usually resulted in pregnancy, whit all the asociate health risk for the resulting child.

Now we have almost (i remark the almost) 100 % safe pregnancy stoopers (i dont remember how are these devices descrived in english, mental block).

Thus, i agree whit Kratos, let them be but whiout procreation.

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Nothin' spells lovin' like marryin' yer cousin.

I think they are talking about sister and brother. :rolleyes::innocent:

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Each to their own? Not this time. You have to draw a line somewhere, and that line is drawn at banging your sister. It's totally wrong. And it sort of makes me feel sick.

I think it is supposed to make you feel sick - natures way of trying to prevent it in the first place.

In the wild, lions will oust the female offspring once they reach a certain age in order to stop any interbreeding, the same can probably be said for a lot of different species of animals.

If the brother and sister want to be together, they are adults so I guess it really is their business. However, when it comes to bringing children into the world, that's a different matter. I don't know the repurcussions - physically or mentally - for offspring that are the result of an incestuous relationship, but in this day and age, it really wasn't necessary and does appear a bit selfish.

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Its fine until they start having kids, then thats where they should be stopped, considering the high chance the kid will come out with some kind of disability

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why's that, explorer; not that I am but what possible impact could it have on you if I were???????

Because if you did it then in my view you would be mentally unstable(if you had been raised with her as a brother).

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My mother was like a sister to me, only we didn't have sex quite so often.

-- Emo Philips ..

i never fancied my sisters enough they were all too ugly :w00t:

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I know the birth defects of children between cousins is very low. Does anyone know the percentage for children between brothers and sisters?

They can love each other all they want, but if their children are going to suffere deformaties because of it then thats not right. They should just adopt children if they want kids that bad.

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Each to their own? Not this time. You have to draw a line somewhere, and that line is drawn at banging your sister. It's totally wrong. And it sort of makes me feel sick.

Yep i agree, or next week it will be - People should be allowed to shag animals cos they are not hurting anyone, then trees, then dead people...... then dead animals ...... you see where i'm going with this. :unsure2:

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I....have no words right now...

Six months after the reunion, their mother died of a heart attack.

What, did she walk in on them or s....guh..no, no, I can't even get that one out. My skin is crawling too much.

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why's that, explorer; not that I am but what possible impact could it have on you if I were???????

Long distance dismay.

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Yep i agree, or next week it will be - People should be allowed to shag animals cos they are not hurting anyone, then trees, then dead people...... then dead animals ...... you see where i'm going with this. :unsure2:

You're absolutely right where does the line get drawn? Only by outlawing sex entirely can we avoid these unpleasantries.

I walked into a party once, I saw two blonds kissing, I thought wow awesome party. I asked a friend who they were, he said they are twins, I thought wow ****ing awesome party lol. I can honestly say incest laws were not the first thing on my mind. How I might bring them both home with me was.... obviously lol.

That said gay and lesbian siblings cannot procreate with each other removing the only legitimate objection I can see, incestual procreation. Even though at one time in Western history it wasnt "wrong" for monarchs to do it, oh and humans incestually breed animals and thats not a big deal. So personally I dont give a rats *** if a brother and a sister want to get married or get it on, cause they'll do it anyways law or no law and I for one dont see making laws for everything neccessary. Well anyways thats my 2 cents, now off to enjoy my dog burger, what eating dog isnt illegal most people just dont eat it because.....

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Yep i agree, or next week it will be - People should be allowed to shag animals cos they are not hurting anyone, then trees, then dead people...... then dead animals ...... you see where i'm going with this. :unsure2:

I'm sure the dead animals don't mind, but sexin' with a live one can do a lot of damage (possible kill an animal) and is considered abuse. :yes:

There was a case here about a man who brought chickens to a hotel room. I'm pretty sure he killed them with "love". Let's just say, chickens aren't made for that! :o

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I heard about a guy in Seattle that had a**l sex with a horse named Bullseye of all names lol, he died, I laughed.

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:angry2: Oh why do people have to be so selfish. Incest is so wrong on so many levels. Who knows maby its some kind of mental disorder because me and everyone i know it makes there skin crawl maby they should receive therapy to become more acceptable in society.

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