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I hear Blair has been pouncing on Civil liberties...... As much as Bush even.

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this thread is about 5,000 brits leaving their homeland everyday, so talon saying its not my business cos i dont live there is just daft.

im one of those 5,000.

you just carry on living a lie, it wont bother you til its on your doorstep, but then its too late . never mind im sure im better off here .

and for anyone who has any dobt about englands immration problems go here..http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?dt=16-April-2007#151

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heres what immigration watch uk says about the contribution that rich mix of multi culties make..

Little to show from tide of migrants

Commentary

By Andrew Green

Chairman of Migration Watch UK

The Daily Telegraph, London, 3 January, 2007

Little to show from tide of migrants Commentary By Sir Andrew Green Chairman of Migration Watch UK The Daily Telegraph, London, 3 January, 2007

It is amazing what the Government’s spin doctors have been getting away with. For years they have trumpeted the economic benefits of immigration but we now find that they are, in fact, very small.

The Government recently put a figure on it for the first time. They told Parliament that immigrants add "at least £4 billion to production". What they did not say is that they also add almost exactly the equivalent percentage to our population, so that the extra wealth per head is barely positive. We calculate that it is worth 4p per week per head.

Another claim - that immigrants contribute 10-15 per cent of trend growth - gives a slightly better result of, 12p a week. Both are trivial.

We shouldn't be entirely surprised. Major studies in America, Canada and Australia found similarly small benefit – typically one tenth of one per cent of GDP.

In Holland, the conclusion of a government-sponsored study was that "The overall net gain in income of residents is likely to be small and may even be negativeâ€.

Of course, some migration in both directions is a natural and beneficial part of an open economy. And, whatever the overall effect, some people will gain. Employers are happy because wages are held down, profits improved and interest rates are somewhat lower. But it’s not so good for the low-paid, nor for the 1.25 million young people not in employment or education.

But the key issue is scale. We need to balance any economic benefit against the social cost of immigration, which is now running at very nearly a migrant a minute. Even allowing for those who depart this amounts to an extra 500 people a day.

They will add the equivalent of the population of Birmingham every five years and three quarters will come to London and the South East.

This inflow is causing severe strain in schools and hospitals which cannot realistically be expanded at such short notice. The same applies to housing where prices are disappearing out of the reach of first-time buyers, partly under the pressure of landlords buying to let.

So, the question is this: Do we want to become even more crowded for the sake of a small economic gain?

The public is reaching its own view and there is deep disquiet about the impact of changes in our society which are taking place without our ever having been consulted.

In his New Year message from Miami the Prime Minister wrote “As we know all too well, crime and anti-social behaviour top the public’s concerns.

†Wrong. Immigration has been the top issue for months and yet he didn’t even mention it. He continues not to do so at the Government’s peril

Sir Andrew Green is a former British Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Syria.

The Daily Telegraph, London, 03 January, 2007

www.migrationwatchuk.org

WOW we are soo lucky to have them all

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LOL you too, eh. if I had to pick another country to live in it would be anywhere in the U.K. or Australia

Aren't those the jobs Americans don't want to do. indeed, maybe if it paid a fair wage they would want to do it!

Nah, I love my country too much to move away from it.

im hoping to leave england soon, im fed up with

2. hoodies

Hey, we started wearing them because of the cold up here, not to look like gansters like everywhere else.

lol, when I looked hoodies up on wiki, apparantly "bunny hug" is a Saskatchewan term, which explains why I am pretty much the only person who uses that term that I know in Alberta. :lol:

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interesting article, so does this mean england is going down :hmm: is england the new titanic <_< is england going to be called england in the near future <_<

england will function and function no matter what happens, england will take it up the backside like always and do nothing.

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and you dont mind the english having to pay taxes to prop up your massive army of unemployed?

i wish you lot would just take independence and scoot aboot in ya kilts :lol:

mind your own business .

:rolleyes:

With 5 million people in Scotland compared to 50 million in England and wales, and with illegal immigrants favouring London, Manchester and Birm, your unemployment dig @ Scotland is rather hysterical as well as completely ignorant :huh: Why should a English persons tax be somehow better or worth more than a Scots persons tax? The British workforce pays the same tax to the same Gov, it all goes into the same pot at the end of day. We all pay the same taxes on fuel, clothes, food, alcohol etc..... I would deff argue that Scotland more than makes up for its costs in 'unemployment' through it's massive tourist industry which see's billions of revenue. Scotland generates a lot of money and has various unique industries of it's own such as the skiing industry and north sea oil fields, it's certainly not a cost burden to Britain.

Scotland isn't some charity case or little sister to England, Scotland is on equal terms and we are part of the same thing, that thing being British. A view like yours comes across as completely uneducated and if Scotland does become totally independent, the rest of Britain is going to feel it in several ways.

And if you really want to argue the 'fairness' of distribution or cost then how about we start with factors such as cost of crime and law (which a large portion is england) as is immigration and asylum seekers costs, unemployment, the NHS and the cost of the 2012 Olympics. Which never made sense in the slightest to go to London with it's intra structure already bursting at the seams, but did... and which is costing over like 10 times more than first thought.

It's a fact of life that tax money goes towards some services and things that you may not have any interest or care for, if that is Scotland for you then I almost feel sorry for you, there's a wider picture at stake.

Btw - Immigrants/seekers are flown to Scotland and offered all the same benefits, but majority of them don't want to stay here because they see London as the golden gateway and promise land. Also their communities/friends/family are already established there. So I doubt that will change whatever happens to Scotland.

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well it shouldnt have any problems alone then should it?

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No it shouldn't have any problems under the right gov... but that's not the point here, the point is it's wrong to think that Scotland is a cost burden to Britain, it's anything but.

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Thank you talon and anvil , i have no need to further respond to any of the illeducated comments from our "friends" from the south..

it often amuses me at how a surprising amount of english believe this myth about scotland scrounging of england...

also their comments after that remark ar generally "let them go it alone , we dont need them anyway.." these people are generally the same people who muse about the good old days when the UK was a superpower and of the days "when the sun never set on the british empire"

well now how would mother englands armed forces be without scottish manpower.... scotland may only have a population of 5 million but our young men and women make up over 1/3 of the man power of the british armed forces..

now if you consider scots make up only 1 tenth of the population of the ENTIRE union the i challenge any englishman to explain how easily they would make up for that loss alone...

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I personally wouldn't want Scotland, or Wales to be separate from England. I think we should stick together. :yes:

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to be fair many people in england dont want us to seperate because they dont feel as if they have any reason.

the will for self determination in a people is a very powerful motive

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No, he's not blaming the Scotts as all, he’s saying Edinburgh is great because it’s Scottish where London can hardly be described as English.

Which Edinburgh are we talking about? If its Edinburgh, as in Scotland’s capital, almost everyone there is English nowadays because of immigration. English are the biggest immigrants to Scotland, making up 10% of the population, and the vast majority live in Edinburgh. Edinburgh is more mini-London, its Glasgow and the surrounding areas you'll find the Scots.

Soon all major cities in the UK (and Ireland) are following the trend in London. And the generally proud Nationalistic Scotts welsh and even the Irish will be in for a shock. He predicts you’ll see more thread like this one. It’s not about racism, xenophobia but about integration; at the very least we should be about to speak the same language.

So what has this got to do with the SNP? I’m a SNP member and I for one am very vocal in my hatred for multiculturalism, political correctness, mass immigration, refusal to integrate. Why do you all here thing the SNP is pro-Muslim?

The SNP people stands for SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY; not Shia/Sunny Nazi Party.

And when did I ever say it was racist to want integration? Hell considering I just want to kick 90% of the Muslims out the country I think if that were the case I’d be way past racist.

However like it or not, the fact the SNP and BNP both have ‘national’ and ‘party’ do not mean they have the same ideologies.

As for the BNP, as I said I don’t care if you support them. They might be a racist little party of bigots who deny the holocaust and think Hitler was a great man – but if you support them, fine go ahead.

However, I’m sick of English people ignorant of Scottish politics claiming the SNP are an ultra-right-wing party just because we share similar initials and we think you’ve messed up the UK so much we want out.

Very true, Ashi -- but it's amazing how hot a Scot will get if you equate Scotland with England too closely, even thought they are both part of the U.K. It's a big deal over there.

And if you had had to spend 300 years of having the US written on a map as Mexico, or everyone call you a North Mexican over and over and over again for generations, you’d be upset too. Neither does to help Scotland is used by England to dump Nuclear waste, released criminals and experimental race-based taxes placed on us.

this thread is about 5,000 brits leaving their homeland everyday, so talon saying its not my business cos i dont live there is just daft.

im one of those 5,000.

Actually if you bothered to read the post, it was you said it was none of Scotland’s business if the rest of the UK voted for the Nazi party. I simply pointed out it was more my concern than yours because I still live here.

Please read posts and actually think about what you want to write before touching the keyboard.

it often amuses me at how a surprising amount of english believe this myth about scotland scrounging of england...

Well considering how many people here have said they support the BNP it shouldn’t be that surprising. Ultra-right wing parties often focus on ethnic minorities to blame for all of life’s problems. Scots are the UK’s largest ethnic minority and are therefore an easy target.

They don’t care if the Tory party last year was forced to admit the Barnet report and similar commissions during the 1970s and 80s which said Scotland leached off English were just Thatchorite propaganda released in an attempt to keep the Union together. They don’t care because they need someone to blame for Westminster’s’ failings.

also their comments after that remark ar generally "let them go it alone , we dont need them anyway.." these people are generally the same people who muse about the good old days when the UK was a superpower and of the days "when the sun never set on the british empire"

I find it funny that the most anti-Scottish MPs (i.e. the Tories) tend to the most determined to hold onto the UK. Why? Why hold onto something you hate? Because the truth is England needs Scotland more than the English nationalist Tories are willing to tell their anti-Scottish voters. That’s why after a decade of Thatcher who loved to say Scots were worthless and England would be better off without us, she did her best to make sure the Union stayed together.

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Scotland receives over 7 grand per person of taxpayers money each year, England receives under 6......just another example of England shafting itself (or being shafted by its scottish government) and another in the long line of reasons to get out.

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[English are the biggest immigrants to Scotland, making up 10% of the population

Scots are the UK’s largest ethnic minority and are therefore an easy target.

I don't think of any of the people of the countries of Britain as being immigrants when within the UK!

I surpose, if Scotish people want to be separate, that will have to be ok...I certainly don't think of Scots in England as being an 'ethnic' minority.

Aren't vast numbers of us (myself included) various mixtures of English, Welsh and Scotish, when it comes to physical background?

I consider myself to be English, born and raised here, but a lot of my family come from Wales, with some Scotish (Cameron).

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Only 2 things i see here, when the british live abroad they just join little britains very rarely mixing with the local culture, mainly living among the english community.

and with out being cruel, the english are not very well liked abroad, mainly europe i mean.

i have lived in many countrys and have seen this many many times before.

But hey the sun and a beach is far better than a concrete jungle with hoodies on every corner, so yeah maybe moving out is a better choice.

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Only 2 things i see here, when the british live abroad they just join little britains very rarely mixing with the local culture, mainly living among the english community.

and with out being cruel, the english are not very well liked abroad, mainly europe i mean.

i have lived in many countrys and have seen this many many times before.

But hey the sun and a beach is far better than a concrete jungle with hoodies on every corner, so yeah maybe moving out is a better choice.

The "brits abroad" living in ex-pat communities are as guilty of non-integration as the e.g. pakistani communities of Bradford or Bangladeshi in south London and it is no wonder they are disliked. Imagine how much more disliked the Brits in e.g. Spain would be if the spanish government went out of its way to cater to these Brits at the expense of the born and bred spaniards in a positive discrimination manner (as e.g the Metropolitan police are doing in their current recruitment drive) and had anyone who made a comment about this up on a race-hate charge.

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I don't think of any of the people of the countries of Britain as being immigrants when within the UK!

I surpose, if Scotish people want to be separate, that will have to be ok...I certainly don't think of Scots in England as being an 'ethnic' minority.

Aren't vast numbers of us (myself included) various mixtures of English, Welsh and Scotish, when it comes to physical background?

I consider myself to be English, born and raised here, but a lot of my family come from Wales, with some Scotish (Cameron).

I don't really either, there's quite a mix of Irish and English people around here and it's just normal. I mean there are some differences obviously, such as accents or dialect where ever you go in Britain, but then there's so many local regional differences for a small land.

The weather :D and to some extent attitude/manner as well. But on the whole if there's a boundary line to draw, I would place it from London southwards and on wards :lol: I don't mean anything negative by that :huh: London and the south is just quite different and could almost be another country in its own right :D

whether Scotland becomes independent or not, I'm not sure if the way things are changing will be a good or bad thing ffrom North England to the Midlands. Glasgow is set to become the big number 2 business centre hub between London and New York, Glasgow is already starting to out perform London in certain areas of business, the attraction also with better standard of living, costs etc... yea so not really sure...

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[but then there's so many local regional differences for a small land.

How right you are...the more I think about it...the more I love this beautiful, crazy?, little island of ours.

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else! :)

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hey money= power do you think this only happens in the uk? 3. people who cant control their emotions who get drunk.

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As for the BNP, as I said I don’t care if you support them. They might be a racist little party of bigots who deny the holocaust and think Hitler was a great man – but if you support them, fine go ahead.

Seeing as this was addressed to me, I’ll answer it.

I don’t support the BNP but I understand why people are turning to them. Immigration is out of control which is one of the main reason’s cited why people are leaving the UK. Why are we in this mess? Thanks to extreme liberal/socialist viewpoints i.e. political correctness. So maybe you have to go the other way until a state of balance is achieved. Most people are turning to the BNP as a protest vote-to make the major parties wake up.

Unfortunately the more people vote for the BNP- it has an opposite effect- the more- party’s such as the Labour party feel the need to ‘educate’ us with even more political correctness. They’ll never see the problem until it’s too late.

However, I’m sick of English people ignorant of Scottish politics claiming the SNP are an ultra-right-wing party just because we share similar initials and we think you’ve messed up the UK so much we want out.

Fair enough I can understand but if SNP take power and make Scotland independent- with immigration policies such as the ones you’ve cited below

The SNP are a centre-left party who have never mentioned race in their manifesto EVER. They are about as right-wing as the Liberal Democrats. Hell, the SNP are even more in favour of the rights of immigrants and asylum seekers than Labour are.

Then you’ll mess up Scotland and more Scottish people will leave. Look at what Labour has already done and you're saying the SNP is in favour for more rights to immigrants and more asylum seekers to come over? Nooooooo we're drowning

At the moment England is taking the brunt of immigration- count yourselves lucky.

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After all, aren't we all citizens of this planet? Shouldn't everyone be alowed to live and work freely in every part of this world?

Down with the borders, I say. Freedom for the Humans and lock up the kriminals.

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snp are a middle left, but wait till they suffer imigration, "oh so cool" to give rights to asylum seekers then scotland get swamped with immigrants then the snp will mean the same as bnp, future prediction!

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hey money= power do you think this only happens in the uk? 3. people who cant control their emotions who get drunk.

only people in england cant handle their beer :hmm::lol: :lol: sorry your right everyone cant handle there beer :tu:

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snp are a middle left, but wait till they suffer imigration, "oh so cool" to give rights to asylum seekers then scotland get swamped with immigrants then the snp will mean the same as bnp, future prediction!

i agree when you dont have immigrants the view you hold is liberal, then when the problem arises of immigration you cant just hold the same view, everything changes you cant just bury your heads in the sand and say everything is alright. i still hold my liberal view even though people are now looking for an avenue because immigration is out of control.

This is why bnp are becoming more stronger, polititians who dont have to open their eyes to the problem because they dont have to live with them. people have no power to what they can control except through the elections and british people will look to the bnp because things cant stay the same, the british people love england and alot of them will fight to keep it englands pleasant place.

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Seeing as this was addressed to me, I’ll answer it.

I don’t support the BNP but I understand why people are turning to them. Immigration is out of control which is one of the main reason’s cited why people are leaving the UK. Why are we in this mess? Thanks to extreme liberal/socialist viewpoints i.e. political correctness. So maybe you have to go the other way until a state of balance is achieved. Most people are turning to the BNP as a protest vote-to make the major parties wake up.

Unfortunately the more people vote for the BNP- it has an opposite effect- the more- party’s such as the Labour party feel the need to ‘educate’ us with even more political correctness. They’ll never see the problem until it’s too late.

Fair enough I can understand but if SNP take power and make Scotland independent- with immigration policies such as the ones you’ve cited below

Then you’ll mess up Scotland and more Scottish people will leave. Look at what Labour has already done and you're saying the SNP is in favour for more rights to immigrants and more asylum seekers to come over? Nooooooo we're drowning

At the moment England is taking the brunt of immigration- count yourselves lucky.

Talking of political correctness here's a good one.

My neighbour works for the police force here (Bristol) in the operations room. He told me that the chief police officer is big on political correctness. In Bristol we have a predominantly black community called St. Pauls. You may have heard of it because a few years back there were 'race riots' or to give it it's non pc title 'mass looting'

So this neighbour found that he was having to log names & addresses of lots of people that we not actually charged with any offence, which he couldn't understand. It transpires that this pc police chief has told his officers patrolling St. Pauls that for every black person that is stopped & questioned, they then have to stop & question a white person. (to keep the records 'balanced').

Now think about that for a minute. In a predominantly black area they have to seek out an equal number of white people as black people!!! Do you suppose that other officers in a predominantly white area have to seek out an equal number of black suspects to 'balance the figures'?

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