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Rioting and chaos following French elections


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France's defeated Socialists called for an end to post-election violence Tuesday after anti-Sarkozy protestors took to the streets for a second night, leaving cars burned and store windows smashed in Paris. source..............http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/08/france.postelection.ap/

And we're considered barbaric by Europe.

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Rioting is cool... and so is smashing rioters faces in with clubs. Its a win-win situation in my opinion.

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This makes me wonder what the day after the 2008 election results for the US will be like.

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Rioting is cool... and so is smashing rioters faces in with clubs. Its a win-win situation in my opinion.

I have a suspicion you really mean that. :P

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Rioting is cool... and so is smashing rioters faces in with clubs. Its a win-win situation in my opinion.

Methinks that Catch .22 is going for the "big wooden spoon" award tonight :P

Going back to Thozman's original post... I does make me wonder what goes through these "left wing protesters'" minds (if that's not an oxymoron)

... sooo, their preffered politician didn't win...let's add to the political debate and further Democracy in France by.... burning a load of cars.

Cars, presumaby, owned and purchased by Working People... with their hard earned money.

Remind me again, which sector of society does the "left wing" proport to represent ?

It's all too much for the Working Cat to comprehend.

Meow Purr.

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It's like a soccer game. Bad losers.

SURELY you're not suggesting that the Political Left in France are just a bunch of football hooligans AshKatNah ? :o

Although...suddenly.... the pieces fall into place :P

Meow Purr.

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I think we're going to see a lot more of this kind of thing....riots etc....as Europe moves more to the right, in frustration, as the realities of mass immigration and imposed multi-culturalism begin to really unfold.

Countries want a peaceful and fair society, but mis-management of the movement of huge numbers of people into Europe, and the social problems that come with that is now starting to bite.

People born and bred in Europe over many generations are fed up and if the political outlet for their frustration presents itself they will take it.

People coming into Europe now or recently are fed up when faced with povety, unemployment and social exclusion.

What a mess!

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And over to Jill for the ultra-violence forecast...

Thanks Jacques, we're looking at overnight riots, with scattered riots tomorrow AM and back to full rioting by the PM. Things should really clear up by Thurday though.

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And back over to you Jacques...

Thanks Jill.

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And over to Jill for the ultra-violence forecast...

Thanks Jacques, we're looking at overnight riots, with scattered riots tomorrow AM and back to full rioting by the PM. Things should really clear up by Thurday though.

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And back over to you Jacques...

Thanks Jill.

ROFL - Brilliant - truly class. (I edited out the image when I quoted 'Catch .22' to avoid bandwidth duplication - PLEASE scroll up to see it - a classic)

"And we have a National Front moving in from the West, with scattered Liberal Showers. Visibility is 80% blinkered, and with gusts of Hot Air of up to 80 Knots"

Meow Purr.

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This makes me wonder what the day after the 2008 election results for the US will be like.

You know, I don't think that folks here care enough to riot over elections; after sports riots occur...minorities getting beat up by police seems to do it, but it appears politics just doesn't garner enough energy.

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You know, I don't think that folks here care enough to riot over elections; after sports riots occur...minorities getting beat up by police seems to do it, but it appears politics just doesn't garner enough energy.

Hee hee .. perhaps the American People are - by and large - happy with their system of government ? (oooh...that's going to get the liberals foaming.. but then they tend to listen to marxist theory books rather than the American People :o )

Meow Purr :D

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After seen how 12 years of Conservative majority in the US has nearly destroyed our Country, can you really blame them?

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Hee hee .. perhaps the American People are - by and large - happy with their system of government ? (oooh...that's going to get the liberals foaming.. but then they tend to listen to marxist theory books rather than the American People :o )

Meow Purr :D

I think the majority of people see the Gov. as so corrupt and so untouchable, they figure nothing can be done. It's like, I was trying to convince a buddy of mine who I worked with to vote. He said "What makes a difference, there all corrupt"

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After seen how 12 years of Conservative majority in the US has nearly destroyed our Country, can you really blame them?

Oh yeah, that is why the Conservatives won?

And now even a riot of sour losers in France, Bush is to be blame?. :blink:

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Gosh! You mean the multi-culti, ultra-tolerant, diversity-for-it's-own-sake-uber-alles, because-even-the-most-barbaric-or-backward-or-criminal-types-are-better-than-you-and-actually-more-deserving-of-your-hard-earned-money-than-you-are-because-you-should-suffer-worse-than-them-because-prosperity-and-success-are-evil approach... is suicidal? What a revelation! Hope they coughed up that little chunk of (Lies Of Feel-Good-Liberalism 101) in time to save themselves.

The latest and increasingly hostile pro-(illegal and ****-*** if you don't like it) demonstrations here in America should give us a hint of what we can expect if we continue to tolerate said approach from those who think "progressive" means bring it all down man(!) and general perpetual rebellion against all adult realities... Hmmm. Where are all the feel gooder kids on this one? There must be a way for them to twist this around to blaming "the west" after all... Didn't bend over far enough for them even though they never intended to assimilate anyway? Yeah... that's it... :rolleyes:

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After seen how 12 years of Conservative majority in the US has nearly destroyed our Country, can you really blame them?

It's spelled seeing, bob... and if you consider our country to be nearly destroyed... You might want to reconsider your definition of destroyed. Last I looked, we're still chuggin along pretty good.

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It's spelled seeing, bob... and if you consider our country to be nearly destroyed... You might want to reconsider your definition of destroyed. Last I looked, we're still chuggin along pretty good.

Uhhhhhh........ No. We have the largest deficit in History. Our Military readiness is hampered. 40 Million Americans dont have healthcare. Our Students are comparing poorly to the rest of the civilized World. Politician after Politician is being sent to jail or investigated. We have lost Habeas Corpus. Bin Laden is still free..... We are being overrun by illegal immigration. We have a higher rate of people in Prison than any other nation in the World. We have huge areas of Ghetto that are turning into a third world.

You need to come back from Bush Patriotic Orgy land and get back down to Earth.

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You know, I don't think that folks here care enough to riot over elections; after sports riots occur...minorities getting beat up by police seems to do it, but it appears politics just doesn't garner enough energy.

I tend to agree, most people don't care anymore.

Just be glad Sinjaya was finally voted off American Idol, who knows what would have happened. I already had food stockpiles ready, just in case.

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Newsweek: Bush approval hits all time low of 28 percent

May 5, 2007 - It’s hard to say which is worse news for Republicans: that George W. Bush now has the worst approval rating of an American president in a generation, or that he seems to be dragging every ’08 Republican presidential candidate down with him. But According to the new NEWSWEEK Poll, the public’s approval of Bush has sunk to 28 percent, an all-time low for this president in our poll, and a point lower than Gallup recorded for his father at Bush Sr.’s nadir. The last president to be this unpopular was Jimmy Carter who also scored a 28 percent approval in 1979. This remarkably low rating seems to be casting a dark shadow over the GOP’s chances for victory in ’08. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds each of the leading Democratic contenders beating the Republican frontrunners in head-to-head matchups.

Perhaps that explains why Republican candidates, participating in their first major debate this week, mentioned Bush’s name only once, but Ronald Reagan’s 19 times. (The debate was held at Reagan’s presidential library.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18505030/site/newsweek/

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It's spelled seeing, bob... and if you consider our country to be nearly destroyed... You might want to reconsider your definition of destroyed. Last I looked, we're still chuggin along pretty good.

you may want to take a look at reality instead of con propaganda.

Congressional Budget Office data show that the tax cuts have been the single largest contributor to the reemergence of substantial budget deficits in recent years. Legislation enacted since 2001 has added about $2.3 trillion to deficits between 2001 and 2006, with half of this deterioration in the budget due to the tax cuts (about a third was due to increases in security spending, and about a sixth to increases in domestic spending). Yet the President and some Congressional leaders decline to acknowledge the tax cuts’ role in the nation’s budget problems, falling back instead on the discredited nostrum that tax cuts “pay for themselves.â€

Myth 1: Tax cuts “Pay for Themselves.â€

“You cut taxes and the tax revenues increase.†— President Bush, February 8, 2006

“You have to pay for these tax cuts twice under these pay-go rules if you apply them, because these tax cuts pay for themselves.†— Senate Budget Committee Chair Judd Gregg, March 9, 2006

Reality: A study by the President’s own Treasury Department recently confirmed the common-sense view shared by economists across the political spectrum: cutting taxes decreases revenues.

Proponents of tax cuts often claim that “dynamic scoring†— that is, considering tax cuts’ economic effects when calculating their costs — would substantially lower the estimated cost of tax reductions, or even shrink it to zero. The argument is that tax cuts dramatically boost economic growth, which in turn boosts revenues by enough to offset the revenue loss from the tax cuts.

But when Treasury Department staff simulated the economic effects of extending the President’s tax cuts, they found that, if the tax cuts’ costs were not offset by spending reductions, then extending them would slightly decrease long-run economic growth. As a result, the tax cuts would cost slightly more than otherwise expected. If financed by spending cuts, the Treasury study found the tax cuts would have modest positive effects on the economy, which would pay for at most 10 percent of the tax cuts’ total cost. (The tax cuts have so far been financed by deficits, and supporters have offered no proposals to offset the cost of extending them.) (http://www.cbpp.org/7-27-06tax.htm

http://www.cbpp.org/9-27-06tax.htm

did bush cut the deficit ? no

http://zfacts.com/p/519.html

debt as part of the GDP

http://zfacts.com/p/p/318.html

U.S. economy leaving record numbers in severe poverty

WASHINGTON - The percentage of poor Americans who are living in severe poverty has reached a 32-year high, millions of working Americans are falling closer to the poverty line and the gulf between the nation's "haves" and "have-nots" continues to widen.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16760690.htm

bush cooks the books

02-04-2006, 10:56 AM

Friday's decline in unemployment is another testament to the Bush administration's statistical chicanery. The raw numbers give an unemployment rate of 5.1%. However, using the mystical "seasonal adjustment," the rate declines to 4.7%. Though the payroll employment number rose by 193,000, the number of those who dropped out of the participating labor force increased by 168,000. Below is a copy of the "Not In Labor Force" numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/unl...LFrcGrphAll.gif

This information can also be found at the "Not In Labor Force" statistics from Bureau of Labor Statistics site at: N.I.L.F. (http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS15000000) During November the number of new dropouts from the labor force was 250,000. Thus, over the last 2 months the number of "Not In Labor Force" workers has increased by 418,000. In fact, at a different section of the U.S. BLS site, the non-seasonally adjusted increase in the number of unemployed workers increased 652,000 in the last month alone, from 6.956 million in December to 7.608 million in January 2006. Over the last 2 months, the number of new payroll jobs has increased by only 233,000.This can be found at BLS: Employment (http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001)

Thus the number of those dropping out of the labor force had increased almost twice as much as the number of new jobs, even when using "seasonally-adjusted" numbers. Using non-seasonally adjusted numbers for the last month alone, the 652,0000 workers dropping out of the labor force is over 3 times the number of new jobs created.

Both seasonal adjustment, and alteration of the "Not In Labor Force" workers has a tremendous effect on the unemployment rate. Those that drop out of the participation labor force (labelled as "Not In Labor Force") are not counted as unemployed. As a result their number is not included in the total for unemployed workers. With a total employment 143.07 million, and a total participating labor force of 150.11 million, there are 7 million unemployed workers. This gives an unemployment percentage of 4.7%. However, if the "non-seasonally" adjusted numbers were used (which are the actual raw numbers recorded by the BLS) the total number of employed workers would be 141.48 million, total participating labor force of 149.09 million, and a total of 7.608 million unemployed. Again, these latter numbers are the actual raw numbers, not the "adjusted" ones used to concoct the 4.7% number. Using the raw numbers, the unemployment rate would be 5.1%. Below is a copy of the page from the BLS showing these numbers.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/unl...lymentTemp5.gif

These numbers can also be found at Employment (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm).

Furthermore, even these latter numbers do not take into account the unusually high number of people who just stopped looking for work. It's just amazing how many more people have given up on finding a job under Bush than they did under Clinton. In fact, people have dropped out of the labor force under Bush at twice the rate they did during Clinton's last 5 years. In fact, had the dropout rate from the labor force over the last 5 been the same as that under Clinton, the number of those counted as "unemployed" would be 10.5 million, instead of the current 7 million. And this change alone would make the unemployment rate 7.0%, instead of 4.7%. If the seasonal adjustment factor had not been used as well, the total number unemployed would be 11.1 million, and the unemployment rate would be 7.3%.

Don't be deceived by a 4.7% unemployment rate. The numbers have been cooked by the Bush administration. Not only have they reclassified 3.5 million from unemployed into the "not-in-labor-force" category, they've used the so-called "seasonal adjustment" factor to reduce the rate even further. Without the "not-in-labor-force" manipulation, the unemployment rate would be 7.0%. But even when using that manipulation, the raw numbers put the unemployment rate at 5.1%. However, by the magic of the "seasonal adjustment" factor, that 5.1% has been further reduced to 4.7%.

The Bush administration is the most dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent administration in U.S. history.

EconomicPopulistCommentary (http://www.unlawflcombatnt.blogspot.com/)

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you may want to take a look at reality instead of con propaganda.

cutting taxes decreases revenues.

did bush cut the deficit ? no

U.S. economy leaving record numbers in severe poverty.

Don't be deceived by a 4.7% unemployment rate.

The Bush administration is the most dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent administration in U.S. history.

That response is reality? That is your case?

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That response is reality? That is your case?

Sounds like a good argument to me. He provided sources and all. What have you contributed?...............

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I have to ask the same question as Bob...what about the budget deficit? How does that equal to strong economy? I mean seriously, if it's at all time high, how come Bush administration has done such a great job with the economy, I'm just wondering? Don't start yapping about Carter or Clinton, this is not about them.

As for the riots in France...well, France has always had a culture of rioting against the government; it goes back all the way to the revolution ;) Besides, Sarkozy is seen as a threat by the poorer classes in France, but time will tell what will happen. He just might be a good president and bring some "order" into France.

And as for America...I agree with Fluffybunny.

And Libertyworld...I must say, it was fun to read you little conservative rant about "adult realities" I can see you haven't been touched by the far-right propaganda machine at all :tu:

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