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Egyptian evidence in Australia

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jaylemurph
I still think that just because Erik Von Danikan forged some info to support his theory... it doesn't mean that his ideas are all sham....He succeeded in throwing us out of our comfort zone of indoctrined...and getting us to take a whole new look at this world... opened our imaginations... to explore new and exciting possiblities... that can also fit in with the facts as we know them....

Okay, then -- tell us a system whereby we know when he lies and when he tells the truth. That isn't based on what you /want/ to believe is true.

If you can't do that, his work in toto is no better than fiction; less so, since fiction doesn't deliberately try to fool people.

and for any other historian.... eg Fell...(just because he was a qualified biologist...it doesn't distract from the fact that he had a real passion for histor/archeology!!!... what is a degree/qualification ..anyway..other than a few assessed essays... assignments.. thesis... that prove that the writer has enough knowledge of the topic to pass the subject) docorates... Masters.. in the subjects mean that they can think for them selves.. not regurgitate facts..that other scholars believe to be true)...

I take it you don't actually have higher degrees to accurately comment on this? Yes, there is the part of the degree where you prove your knowledge of the verified facts of the field but part of every degree is a) proving your ability to think beyond the rank and file and B) finding out something new in the field that no-one else has. This is the nature of the thesis, not proving your conformity. I need hardly remind you that you have a hard enough time accurately reporting what you find without deliberately manipulating your sources!

Does a skilled artist ..or chef need a qualification????...

No -- but without proper training in their field, they're not going to produce anything worth sampling, either!

--Jaylemurph

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Harte
Hi again Harte, just on the marsupials, I think we got a bit mixed up on that one, your sentence was: Marsupials are found on practically every continent. I now know you meant: Marsupial fossils are found on practically every continent. In the context of the paragraph I guess this is what you meant, I of course took it as a literal sentence. You get that in nit picking, unless things are stated exact it's easy to make something else from it.

We,

Very gentlemanly of you to let me off the hook so easily. Sorry for not being clear. I was in the moment, see. You know, talking about fossils and thinking about fossils and not discriminating between them and living creatures.

I get that you are trying to prove by disproving, I did the same thing with the 9/11 conspiracy, I didn't go into the theorists websites, I went into the disbelievers websites. I'm glad you joined in here, it has provided much to think about and research.

I think of it more as attempting to guide people that are interested in the subject. I mean, I've done an awful lot of work in the past looking ionto this stuff. I try to keep others from having to do the same work over again before they finally come to the conclusions, or near to the conclusions, that I've already reached.

There is also the fact that fairly often someone posts something I hadn't heard before - like the mummification thing. I jumped at that, hoping maybe there would be something there.

Believe me, if I read something like the mummy thing that is new to me, and I look into it and see it's actually what the author says it is, I'll post that as well. Unfortunately, that rarely happens.

I still think that just because Erik Von Danikan forged some info to support his theory... it doesn't mean that his ideas are all sham....

No, it doesn't. The discovery of VonDaniken's admission of forging evidence was merely the catalyst that got me to checking the rest of the stuff he claims. If you want to start a VonDaniken thread, I can show you that, in fact, his ideas are all sham.

He succeeded in throwing us out of our comfort zone of indoctrined...and getting us to take a whole new look at this world... opened our imaginations... to explore new and exciting possiblities... that can also fit in with the facts as we know them....

It is a fact that without VonDaniken's early works, I would not be posting on this website. But he is a liar. I owe him the knowledge I've gleaned through fact checking his work, but that is all. It's unfortunate that he himself, or his editor, didn't do this checking for themselves.

I'd like to point out how generous I am being with that last statement. See, there's really no reason at all to believe that VonDaniken didn't check his facts, find them wanting, and went ahead and published them anyway. So I'm being extremely generous in saying he didn't do this.

I don't feel the need to be this generous with Graham Hancock, by the way.

and for any other historian.... eg Fell...(just because he was a qualified biologist...it doesn't distract from the fact that he had a real passion for histor/archeology!!!... what is a degree/qualification ..anyway..other than a few assessed essays... assignments.. thesis... that prove that the writer has enough knowledge of the topic to pass the subject) docorates... Masters.. in the subjects mean that they can think for them selves.. not regurgitate facts..that other scholars believe to be true)...

If the man had just written his books as an amateur archaeologist, then that would be fine. But he passed himself off as an expert linguist. Go ahead and read the article I linked and then do the Googling I suggested. You'll see that I'm right.

By the way, Zecharia Sitchen does exactly the same thing.

Does a skilled artist ..or chef need a qualification????...

Certainly not. A skilled artist, however, should not pretend to be able to practice law. A chef should not hire out as an accountant.

Barry Fell was not a skilled archaeologist, nor was he a skilled linguist. I can't be sure even of his skill as a marine biologist, but it was probably greater than these other two fields.

Thinking that way ... eg.. that there is no 100% provable evidence.. therefore any idea in that field must be abandoned

This is a straw man argument. Nobody claims or has said that evidence in any field is "provable" in any way. The people we are talking about here ignore most of the available evidence and use only bits and pieces of real evidence and then only when it supports their claims. That is, when they aren't fabricating the "evidence" themselves!

so if someone does come up with fractions of evidence to support this discredited idea.... scholars.. historians.. etc.. will perhaps refuse to look at it as the idea..and so this new info will be put on the anomolie pile.. buried for ages.. until someone else is brave enough.. to remove these political... ( as I feel that much of history ..scholastic acceptance of facts is political..eg .. they decide what info will be accepted/published with their approval.....eg if it fits in with their idea of accepted reality...)..red tape.. and dust off some of the old discoveries/ideas.. artifacts.. ..if they are not lost forever... and piece them together...to create a better understanding of how things were...

This sort of thing is far likelier to occur because of people like Fell, VonDaniken, Hancock and Sitchen than it is to occur because stodgy old academecians don't want to be wrong.

If somebody like VonDaniken were to actually come across real evidence of ancient astronauts, he would be ignored because of what he has done in the past. Furthermore, actual researchers would be wary of even considering it for themselves because of the association that would give them with a loon like VonDaniken. IOW, VonDaniken, Hancock and the like might actually be holding back the field in the very area where they love to make their claims.

Luckily for the sake of science, none of these con men have stumbled across anything of significance, and they probably wouldn't even recognize it if they did.

Remember the idea of Dinasaurs is only a little over 180 years old!!!! ... can you imagine what those scientists people .. went thru...

Germ theory is an excellent example. Did you see 12 Monkeys? Brad Pitt went into this in-depth. Hilarious.

I believe that, if you look, you'll find that Fell's ideas about archaeology have either been looked into and scientifically dismissed as wrong, or looked into and discovered to be somebody else's ideas that Fell elaborates on. Fell used a poor grasp of linguistics as the basis for most of his "archaeology" (as does Sitchen) and as such was not taken seriously by most people that know the difference between Phoenecia and Phoenix Arizona.

Harte

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Due to the geographical location of the Hunter Valley...

*bursting bubbles* Fakes

What this is suggesting is that Egyptians (who posess no mounaineering experience) crossed the Blue Mountain range (in a time with no roads), left some Heiroglyphs to their gods in a cave, then p***ed off back home to the other side of the world.

More than likely, these were done during the early 20th century when Egyptology was booming due to the discovery of the tomb of tutankhamun.

What you also have to consider is....the Suez canal did not exist at that time....

this would mean that Egyptian Dhow's (designed for use in the mediterranean) would have to have crossed either by going around Canada (pffff) or by going around the bottom of South America, a cape which is considered a death trap STILL to this day due to storm and activity and dangerous currents.

The only other option is to sail south down the western coast of Africa, then either past asia, or directly across the indian ocean to Australia (Which would have taken several months). Even then, they would hit the western side of Australia on either trip....the complete OPPOSITE side to where these Heiroglyphs were found.

So are we then meant to believe....upon hitting the western (and Barren) coast of Australia, they sailed a further another 4000KM east, into Sydney harbour, got out of their boats, crossed a mountain range (in a strange and foreign environment), left some heiroglyphs, and happily went home.

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crystal sage
I believe that, if you look, you'll find that Fell's ideas about archaeology have either been looked into and scientifically dismissed as wrong, or looked into and discovered to be somebody else's ideas that Fell elaborates on. Fell used a poor grasp of linguistics as the basis for most of his "archaeology" (as does Sitchen) and as such was not taken seriously by most people that know the difference between Phoenecia and Phoenix Arizona.

Harte

I think he was refering to the earliest celtic script.... http://www.celticgrounds.com/chapters/ogham_translat.htm

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Phoenicia%20...sa=N&tab=wl

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/centerindians.html

NEW YORK: In addition to these discoveries, another stele exhibiting the ancient Egyptian-Libyan script was unearthed on Long Island, New York. Dr. Barry Fell states that it also probably dates to around the ninth century B.C.

http://planetvermont.com/pvq/v9n2/megaliths.html

http://www.billposer.org/Papers/dulkwah.pdf

http://www.indiana.edu/~anthling/v31-3-4.html

"The Language of the Coast Tribes is Half Basque":

A Basque-American Indian Pidgin in Use between Europeans and Native Americans in North America, ca. 1540-ca. 1640

Peter Bakker

University of Amsterdam

Abstract. Basque fishermen were among the most numerous visitors to the eastern coast of North America in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. They traded actively with some of the native tribes on the coast and along the banks of the Saint Lawrence River. A trade language, a pidgin based on Basque and American Indian languages, developed and was used by both American Indians and Europeans. Historical and linguistic evidence of the Basque elements of this pidgin is presented.

http://www.viewzone.com/ogam222.html

"The language of Ogam is Basque."

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The Puzzler
Due to the geographical location of the Hunter Valley...

*bursting bubbles* Fakes

What this is suggesting is that Egyptians (who posess no mounaineering experience) crossed the Blue Mountain range (in a time with no roads), left some Heiroglyphs to their gods in a cave, then p***ed off back home to the other side of the world.

More than likely, these were done during the early 20th century when Egyptology was booming due to the discovery of the tomb of tutankhamun.

What you also have to consider is....the Suez canal did not exist at that time....

this would mean that Egyptian Dhow's (designed for use in the mediterranean) would have to have crossed either by going around Canada (pffff) or by going around the bottom of South America, a cape which is considered a death trap STILL to this day due to storm and activity and dangerous currents.

The only other option is to sail south down the western coast of Africa, then either past asia, or directly across the indian ocean to Australia (Which would have taken several months). Even then, they would hit the western side of Australia on either trip....the complete OPPOSITE side to where these Heiroglyphs were found.

So are we then meant to believe....upon hitting the western (and Barren) coast of Australia, they sailed a further another 4000KM east, into Sydney harbour, got out of their boats, crossed a mountain range (in a strange and foreign environment), left some heiroglyphs, and happily went home.

:unsure2:

Good points but I was thinking more along the lines of some Egyptian explorers going east from Egypt by land, heading south, crossing narrow sea channels in boats escorted by natives, reaching the Torres Strait Islands showing off mummification and introducing Egyptian practices and Egyptian words into the Micronesia and surrounding areas then over Torres Strait to Australia, therefore they arrived from the north. Aboriginals walked everywhere, nothing unusual about walking anywhere in Australia, they had tracks through the Blue Mountains as well, they showed them various walking routes and the Egyptian explorers accompanying them around. There is the fact that dingoes arrived later than the Aboriginals first did, maybe they bought them with them then too.

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Good points but I was thinking more along the lines of some Egyptian explorers going east from Egypt by land, heading south, crossing narrow sea channels in boats escorted by natives, reaching the Torres Strait Islands showing off mummification and introducing Egyptian practices and Egyptian words into the Micronesia and surrounding areas then over Torres Strait to Australia, therefore they arrived from the north. Aboriginals walked everywhere, nothing unusual about walking anywhere in Australia, they had tracks through the Blue Mountains as well, they showed them various walking routes and the Egyptian explorers accompanying them around. There is the fact that dingoes arrived later than the Aboriginals first did, maybe they bought them with them then too.

Well the aboriginals were said to have arrived in Australia over 40,000 years ago .. some say they walked... some say they had great seafaring skills... or drifted overland during one of the ice ages..... I like your idea of how they could have arrived there... :) there are also rumors of a secret subteranean culture.... but I digress.... the egyptian graffiti did look a little less neat ... as that of the official remnants... ..eg... the proffessional... writings by true proffesional craftsment of Egypt.... it was like what a layperson may be able to create... leave behind from a trip to far off lands.,.. or perhaps what another either an Egyptian...or someone who had spent time there or with some from the land... eg. may try out their new writing skills that they may have learned from another... or had seen in their travels....

http://www.epigraphy.org/volume_1.htm

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Harte

Crystal,

If you really looked at the celticgrounds.com site you linked, you saw that Ogham is written as series of vertical lines.

Fell interpreted practically every set of vertical lines he ever heard of as being Ogham. This leads one to the amusing assumption that Lions and Tigers must be quite good at hissing like housecats, only in script, since everytime they slash with their claws, they leave an Ogham "S" mark, like Zorro's "Z." on their victim's body!

Harte

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Crystal,

If you really looked at the celticgrounds.com site you linked, you saw that Ogham is written as series of vertical lines.

Fell interpreted practically every set of vertical lines he ever heard of as being Ogham. This leads one to the amusing assumption that Lions and Tigers must be quite good at hissing like housecats, only in script, since everytime they slash with their claws, they leave an Ogham "S" mark, like Zorro's "Z." on their victim's body!

Harte

http://www.flavinscorner.com/fellegypt.htm

:DB):tu:

Even though he may not have been totally accurate. in his translations... etc???.. He still did quite well for all his passion... which he was able to share with the masses... Most of the info... discoveries...anomolies... that he brought to the attention of the masses would otherwise most likely have been long forgotten.. or overlooked by now....

^_^ With all those jealous ... and some most likely not as successful 'scholars' out there quibbling... the info that Fell discovered ,,,and brought to everyone's attention ... what he acheived is making sure that it is still out there for everyone to evaluate...have another look at...... that is the more important thing!!!... rather that what he thought his discoveries may have meant!!!

I liked his passion for history... archeology...!!!! despite all the bitter achademics...

He did his best with what info he had available... Imagine what he could have added if he had the internet at his disposal!!!!

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Well the aboriginals were said to have arrived in Australia over 40,000 years ago .. some say they walked... some say they had great seafaring skills... or drifted overland during one of the ice ages..... I like your idea of how they could have arrived there... :) there are also rumors of a secret subteranean culture.... but I digress.... the egyptian graffiti did look a little less neat ... as that of the official remnants... ..eg... the proffessional... writings by true proffesional craftsment of Egypt.... it was like what a layperson may be able to create... leave behind from a trip to far off lands.,.. or perhaps what another either an Egyptian...or someone who had spent time there or with some from the land... eg. may try out their new writing skills that they may have learned from another... or had seen in their travels....

Sounds a good concept to me. Also thanks for the links especially the awareness quest one, I have been interested in Pygmies in Atherton Qld and you rejogged me into thinking about it, I live near Atheron and Gordonvale so will ask around more as to anything anyone knows and Lake Barrine is just up the road too regarding the pygmies so with all this stuff in my own backyard I can't help but want to know more. That site had lots of evidence to Egyptian relics and odd things found here, good one!

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I stumbled on that site ages ago when I was looking up numbers and stuff. You find it when you type in.. Grid Point 44.. which I found when I was looking at M44. Anyway I'm not sure what to think but I thought I read that there was an aboriginal story which told about people coming from over the sea and not being able to return to their home, which was connected to this. I dunno for sure though.. but anyway.

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I was doing some research on a rumour I had heard and came up with this web site. Has anyone ever heard of Egyptians in Australia before? What do you think of the evidence and apparent facts contained in this article? I myself was pretty amazed at it all. Even if the heiroglyphics seem fake I find it interesting that Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders have similar traditions to Egyptians and mummification processes as well as the Aten symbol. (Don't dismiss it because of the mention of the Gympie Pyramid idol)

http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptaustralia.html

Australia and New Zealand are part of the ancient Gondwan land. Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and India are were also part of the the Godwana land. Maybe the Aboriginals are lost tribes of India? :unsure2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana

http://cat.he.net/~archaeol/9703/etc/specialreport.html

The Indus Script http://www.harappa.com/script/indusscript.html

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0025-1496...TOR-enlargePage

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The Puzzler

Just to clarify, the idea I gave was how I thought the Egyptians got here not the Aboriginals. :)

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Emma_Acid
Australia and New Zealand are part of the ancient Gondwan land. Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and India are were also part of the the Godwana land. Maybe the Aboriginals are lost tribes of India? :unsure2:

No, maybe not. Gondwana broke up during the late Jurassic period. I find it hugely unlikely that there were little cavemen in tiger-skin pants wandering around given that it was 167 million years ago. Respect for referencing in your post, best read the references first though!

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No, maybe not. Gondwana broke up during the late Jurassic period. I find it hugely unlikely that there were little cavemen in tiger-skin pants wandering around given that it was 167 million years ago.

I also find it hugely unlikely there were little cavepeople 167 mya, or Tigers... :D

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Okay, so I tried to thoroughly read all the posts so that I wouldn't post a question or a theory that had all ready been answered, but..............that's a LOT of stuff to read!! I read really fast though, so I did my best to scan through.

So, my question is this:

If the glyphs are fakes, how old exactly are they? I know ya'll have all debunked it apparently, but I just find it hard to believe that someone who knows this "ancient" type of glyph that hardly anyone knows took the time and effort to painstakingly chisel this stuff into the walls of this place in BFE (no pun intended) Australia just to get one over on us. I mean does anyone have any idea how they got there, who did it, and when they did it?

Please don't tell me to back through and re-read all this stuff. Just paste me a link or quote me the part that answers that. Thanks!

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Okay, so I tried to thoroughly read all the posts so that I wouldn't post a question or a theory that had all ready been answered, but..............that's a LOT of stuff to read!! I read really fast though, so I did my best to scan through.

So, my question is this:

If the glyphs are fakes, how old exactly are they? I know ya'll have all debunked it apparently, but I just find it hard to believe that someone who knows this "ancient" type of glyph that hardly anyone knows took the time and effort to painstakingly chisel this stuff into the walls of this place in BFE (no pun intended) Australia just to get one over on us. I mean does anyone have any idea how they got there, who did it, and when they did it?

Please don't tell me to back through and re-read all this stuff. Just paste me a link or quote me the part that answers that. Thanks!

Try this link: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/diggingsmag/Re...rd%20Glyphs.pdf

There are many theories and beliefs who might of done them, but because of the various ages of the writings it is hard to put it down to one source. B)

I did start a thread similar to this subject before, if you are curious here is the link: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=62538

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http://www.mountainman.com.au/ww_dtime.html

http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2002feb.html

One of the best of the carvings was under a portion of a rock roof. This is where we discovered Anubis. It was clear it had been examined as the lichen had been cleaned off this part of the rock. Anubis is considered the guardian of the doorways to the underworlds, an opener of the ways, and is associated with the dog star Sirius. Egyptians considered Sirius a portal or gateway to other dimensions. One Australian researcher and channel named Robin Franklin channeled Anubis and discovered that Anubis was the guardian of the place and protected it for many thousands of years. He said the writing came from people from the kingdom of Kam, which we now call Egypt. These ones were survivors of Mu Lemuria and were under the guidance of those from the stars. Franklin stated in an article he wrote that a message from Anubis stated that the hieroglyphics say, "growth comes from Love and destruction comes from hate. If man does not change his heart the world could be destroyed." Now this is by no means a great revelation. We all know this one. . . But to hear it again in such an obscure place just anchored the message deeper into my heart.

Another interpretation by researcher Paul White in an article entitled, "In search of Ancient Secrets 1994" suggests that the carvings may be a sequence that could describe the classic shamanic path of enlightenment, or maybe a prophecy addressing people of a future time, who faced possible destruction if they didn’t follow the path of the One True God.

Even those not considering themselves very psychic can feel strong energy in this site, especially when the rock walls are touched. Some think that the strong energy comes from the site being one huge energy ley line that radiates out from a central New South Wales power called, "The meeting of the tribes." Paul White was also aware of the persistent legends in Australia that tell tales of strange and magical happenings, power places on grid lines. Energy grids spread like a spider’s web across Australia, creating special energy in cross roads. Some researcher even suggest that the crevice could even be a time tunnel to Peru or other power places. The aborigine speak of instantaneous travel along "song lines" between power places. Could this site be a time travel site?

The next day when I went to develop my film, I discovered that all three rolls of film were quite unusable. It was as if the carvings hid themselves from the camera. You could hardly make out the carving. I was disappointed to say the least. We were going to have to make another trip out to the site.

On our second trip out to the site with new film in hand, I was determined to get some good photos of these carvings before I had to fly home. But this trip also had its problems and was also interrupted with weird events. I began to photograph the site once again and my camera began to freeze up. I managed to get two rolls of film shot but I was only able to photograph only part of the site before my camera decided to die altogether. After I knew the camera was not going to respond any further, Grace and I climbed up to the top of the site to a huge whale-shaped rock. This is a very sacred place to the aboriginal people of the area. We knew of a burial ground just further up the hill and knew better than to go visit. It seemed like we were already on shaky ground with the ancestors and didn’t want any more trouble. We sat and meditated for awhile and received permission to create a flower essence atop this great whale rock.

When we hiked out to the car we realized we locked the keys in the car. Here we are out in the middle of nowhere and the keys dangling just out of reach in the ignition. Grace had her mobile phone and she called for help. While we waited for help, I wondered if I was being tested again. The sun was going down and it was getting cold and the air was full of the tropical sounds of bird readying themselves for the night. Help did come and when I got to town, I went to develop the film. I was happy to see that most of the photographs were very useable. I felt I was lucky to get any photos at all. I guess I was allowed these few photos to share with you. See the next page for more photos

Now did the Egyptians come to Australia or was it people from the stars? This answer still eludes us today. But the evidence is mounting to suggest that there is some connection between Australia and Egypt. Over a period of a few years, Paul White discovered evidence of other Egyptian artifacts in Australia, ranging from a statue of an Egyptian God Thoth near a pyramidal hill in Gimpie, south east Queensland, two cartouches of the Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses, found in Arnhem Land and northern Queensland early in the last century and an Egyptian amulet found in Kyogle in northern South Wales that dates at 5000 years by the Department of Mines.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm

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Well the aboriginals were said to have arrived in Australia over 40,000 years ago .. some say they walked... some say they had great seafaring skills... or drifted overland during one of the ice ages..... I like your idea of how they could have arrived there... :) there are also rumors of a secret subteranean culture.... but I digress....

There is very good reason to think that they walked the entire way. There is a submerging continental plate there which today is, in part, under the ocean (the Indo-Australian Plate.) Might have been dry land there 40,000 years ago.

Australia and New Zealand are part of the ancient Gondwan land. Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and India are were also part of the the Godwana land. Maybe the Aboriginals are lost tribes of India? :unsure2:

The current theory is that the Aborigines are descended from peoples that were living in India 40-50 thousand years ago.

But those people were not exactly civilized. There was no civilization anywhere on Earth at that time.

Also - no way at all that the Egyptians ever made it to Australia. Complete hogwash.

Harte

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There is very good reason to think that they walked the entire way. There is a submerging continental plate there which today is, in part, under the ocean (the Indo-Australian Plate.) Might have been dry land there 40,000 years ago.

The current theory is that the Aborigines are descended from peoples that were living in India 40-50 thousand years ago.

But those people were not exactly civilized. There was no civilization anywhere on Earth at that time.

Also - no way at all that the Egyptians ever made it to Australia. Complete hogwash.

Harte

http://archaeology.about.com/od/earlymansites/a/kostenki.htm

"The Kostenki site has been known for quite a while (it is best known for the recovery of Venus figurines from its Gravettian levels), and its uniqueness has not gone unnoticed. The occupations at Kostenki include several Late Early Upper Paleolithic levels, dated ca 40,000 to 30,000 calibrated years ago. Below these levels is a layer of volcanic ash, associated with the volcanic eruptions of the Phlegrean Fields of Italy (aka Campanian Ignimbrite), which are thought to have erupted between about 38,000 and 40,000 years ago. Within and below the ash level (called the CI Tephra) is what archaeologists are calling "Aurignacian Dufour," containing numerous small bladelets and related to similar sites in western Europe. Typically, the Aurignacian is the oldest component associated with modern humans at archaeological sites in Europe, underlain by Mousterian-like deposits representing Neanderthals. At Kostenki, a previously unidentified assemblage, exhibiting a sophisticated tool kit of prismatic blades, burins, bone antler, and ivory artifacts, and small perforated shell ornaments underlies the CI Tephra and Aurignacian Dufour assemblage."

http://archaeology.about.com/b/a/257842.htm

http://www.networlddirectory.com/blogs/arc...ch-22-2007.html

Associate Professor Sheila Coulson, from the University of Oslo, can now show that modern humans, Homo sapiens, have performed advanced rituals in Africa for 70,000 years. She has, in other words, discovered mankinds oldest known ritual.

The archaeologist made the surprising discovery while she was studying the origin of the Sanpeople. A group of the San live in the sparsely inhabited area of north-western Botswana known as Ngamiland.

Coulson made the discovery while searching for artifacts from the Middle Stone Age in the only hills present for hundreds of kilometers in any direction. This group of small peaks within the Kalahari Desert is known as the Tsodilo Hills and is famous for having the largest concentration of rock paintings in the world.

In the excavation they found more than 13,000 artifacts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klasies_River_Caves

Klasies River Caves.....The 3 main caves and 2 shelters at the base of a high cliff have revealed evidence of Homo sapiens habitation from approximately 125,000 years ago.

...There is a 20 metre thick accumulation of deposits, both inside the caves and outside against the cliff face, proving that Klasies River Mouth people knew how to hunt, fish (later), gather plants and roots, cook by roasting on hearths, and manage their land. There is extensive evidence of shellfish collecting; stone artifact technology;[2] gathering plants, roots and flowers for food; cooking plants, corms, seal, penguins, and antelope meat on hearths with fire; [3] general organisation of the settlement; and land/veld management by fire. [2] The evidence also appears to indicate that their presence was seasonal or migratory. There is also evidence of cannibalism, charred and carved 'modern human' bones discarded with other food remnants. [4]

Although these Middle Stone Age people are described as anatomically modern there is ongoing debate about when they were also behaviourally modern.[4] There is a marked difference between the Paleolithic stone technology used in the earliest layers from 125,000 years ago, and the superior Mesolithic blades of the 70,000 year old Howiesons Poort period that used raw material which had been 'mined' 20 kilometres inland. There is also a differentiation between the Paleolithic food detritus that accumulated underfoot inside the caves 125,000 years ago, but was ejected and accumulated into external middens by the Mesolithic occupants circa 75,000 years ago. This 'housekeeping' is an indicator that 'at least half of our species' had evolved 'modern behaviour' by the middle stone age.

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http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/dict...ries/0EISBE.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/we/we10.htm

1700 B. C. finds Egypt invaded and conquered. Dynasty XIII brought another blank in the monumental records. Egypt had broken into two really separate kingdoms. This enfeebled the country for the conquest of the Hyksos. During their stay, the native princes at the south maintained themselves. 2080-1525 B. C. these Shepherd kings ruled over Egypt. They were a barbaric and nomadic race from Asia which destroyed the temples and left no monuments standing in Egypt. Those who contend that the origin of the civilization of the Nile was from Asia should note that under these Asiatics, Egypt entered into the darkest period of her history. The Shepherds were expelled from Egypt by Aahmes, a mulatto and a Theban. He was the Amoisis of the Greeks and king of the north and south. He secured the favor of the Cush**es by marrying Nefruari, the black princess of Ethiopia, famous for her dusky charms, wealth and accomplishments.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17321/17321-h/v1c.htm

The Kassites... and the Hyksos... the Eastern rulers of Egypt....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/hyksos.htm

http://history-world.org/kassites.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba21.htm

Evidence of trade with China....

"Flushed with his success, the Kassite king invaded Assyria when ... They imported cobalt--which was used for colouring glass a vivid blue--from China, ."

there was an active trade for metals between China and Europe for at least 5000 years....

http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nl/9507/0250.html

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/euro12.htm

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cat...daho/umuti5.htm

"A British team of archaeologists believes that small slabs of bitumen dug up in Kuwait could hold evidence that man first successfully built ocean-going boats up to 7,000 years ago."

http://english.people.com.cn/200212/18/eng...18_108694.shtml

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http://www.treasureenterprises.com/Miscell...n_australia.htm

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/rock-a05_prn.shtml

"Another significant component of the discovery, Taçon said, is the existence of many half-human, half-animal figures called therianthropes These rare images include creatures with bird-like heads and others that are part kangaroo. A similar kangaroo form has been found at a site near the Hawkesbury River further east from Eagles Reach.

Taçon explained:“While therianthropes are very special depictions found across Australia, and in several regions overseas, the bird-headed creatures are avery rare find in the Sydney area. In Egypt such animal-headed figures are depicted as gods.

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Just to clarify, the idea I gave was how I thought the Egyptians got here not the Aboriginals. :)

And I was trying to suggest the Aboriginals could be descendants of Egyptians or sailors from other parts of the world. It looks like whoever got here blended with the Aboriginals because a seclude Egyptian civilization was not found in Australia. If it is true that the Aboriginals came to Australia before 40,000 years they must have come from somewhere. It could be Egypt, India or China or any part of the world. These Hieroglyphs are not good enough to conclude the Egyptians sailed to Australia. Pyramids were found in Ukraine and China. Does it mean the Egyptians went to China and Ukraine? There are pyramids in South America and even the temples of India are considered pyramids. If the pyramids found in other parts of the world can't prove Egyptian migration to those parts of the world a few Hieroglyphs prove nothing.

It is easy to make up stories based on similar similar artificats found in different parts of the world. As I was thinking about this topic I began to wonder abaout the Ayres Rock and why it is a sacred place for the Aboriginals. Could it be possible that the Ayres Rock was originally shaped like a pyramid?

If you believe in Aliens you may find this theory interesting. The Aliens helped the Egyptians build the pyramids using anti gravational technology and gave them UFOs. The Egyptians flew to different parts of the world and built pyramids.

Or maybe the Egyptians found Australia to be the perfect place to dump their convicts?

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No, maybe not. Gondwana broke up during the late Jurassic period. I find it hugely unlikely that there were little cavemen in tiger-skin pants wandering around given that it was 167 million years ago. Respect for referencing in your post, best read the references first though!

Regardless of when you think the Gondwana broke up the truth could be different. By giving the references I tried to prove that there are different theories and every theory could have its merits and demerits. I think we should look at all angles before reaching conclusions. The stories that archaeologists make up with little evidence are amusing but stupid. Who knows how the earth was before 167 million years? I find it hugely unlikely that there were little cavemen in kangroo-skin pants wandering around. Leave the tigers alone. They are endangered!

Humans are believed to have existed before 4 million years but we somehow know what happened before 167 million years. It only takes one man to bullshi*! and rest will spread it around.

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If Egyptians came all the way to Australia, they should leave marks on their way. From Egypt to India to South Asia and to Australia. But inter-cultrural similarities may have not be found between Egypt and any of these places.

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