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The_Spartan

i thought that this Gosford glyphs crap was done to death way long back.

inf fact, when  von Senff  was insistent that the Dr. Ray Johnson quoted in the reference was the real ray johnson,  i contacted Dr. Ray  Johnson of the Oriental Institute by mail 

 

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Just now, The_Spartan said:

i thought that this Gosford glyphs crap was done to death way long back.

inf fact, when  von Senff  was insistent that the Dr. Ray Johnson quoted in the reference was the real ray johnson,  i contacted Dr. Ray  Johnson of the Oriental Institute by mail 

 

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people are gullible.

Though it was done to death in australia and elsewhere. these woo woos like steven strong and his ilk keep on fooling people.

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So that was you who contacted the real Dr. Johnson. We all owe you a debt, Spartan. I've met the guy and hadn't even thought to do it. I remember that spirited debate here, with von Senff. I'm told he's an elderly man and I'm not sure if he's still with us, but he followed me to another message board and then to my own blog, where I wrote a four-part article on Gosford. I think von Senff is the most ardent supporter of them all. Still, that article I wrote on my blog continues to generate more comments than probably all of my other articles combined. There are still a lot of woo-woo fringe acolytes for Gosford.

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On October 3, 2016 at 0:48 AM, crystal sage said:

It's good to note that many renown translators are flying by the seats of their pants...

They certainly are not.

But you can be certain that the information you encountered is misleading and, quite simply, wrong.

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back to earth
10 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

Let's do be very clear on this. The Australian Ray Johnson has no Egyptological training, is not an Egyptologist, and has no academic credibility or standing. He's a pretender. I'm not certain if he's even still alive.

Ray Johnson of the Chicago House, the Luxor headquarters of the Oriental Institute (University of Chicago), is very much indeed a trained and respected Egyptologist and a leading expert in epigraphy. I've met him. He has no connection with the Australian pretender other than sharing the same name, and has himself gone on record as stating the Gosford glyphs are a hoax.

There is nothing remotely relevant or authentic about the hoax at Gosford, and no one with the proper training and experience believes otherwise.

This is exact;y what I wanted Crystal to clarify, but I wanted to get clear first.   W. Ray, I imagined, would be horrified to be cited as the other Ray, if I was right . 

Crystal claimed Ray ( not W. Ray ) had  documentation as a translator from a US museum.  I have heard that before, and indeed Ray (in Queensland Australia ) personally made that claim to me .  others said it was true as they saw the documentation, so I asked to see it .  Ray was happy to show it and whipped it out confidently .  Indeed it is an official letter from some museum in USA that deals with Egyptology and translations  (  ahem !   :D  ) ... cant remember where, the point was the context of the letter was a very polite ;  we are in receipt of the  documents you sent us and blah blah .   No real acknowledgement of anything . 

Visual sub text  !   again  !    Sub-text of actions ! 

I have seen this trick before ;  many people believed a police report saying x did y to z and tried to convince me about it, They saw the proof, there is a police report !  . x handed over the official looking report  to me to prove it;  itwas an acknowledgment of  receiving an allegation  x made to police   claiming  z did y . 

Even some people reading may not get that . 

I hope I have cleared some things up, especially for Mr W. Ray's sake  . 

But what isnt cleared up is Crystal's response to my question. 

 

Did she just google the name to try and find a qualification she were sprouting about that  existed, via gossip mind you , and identified W. Ray as  fake poser Ray ?   Did she just quote someone else, if so ... someone, I feel, tried to prove something BS just by googling the name .

Tut - tut     , any Egyptologust would say .

 

( Yes, Ray in Oz had passed, and yes, I knew him , he did magic tricks for me in his lounge room  : )  , he also had a  little following of 'Ra-Harakte' followers, some who were indigenous people.  Why ? 

Because Ray was the reincarnation of the God Ra ... and a few Egyptian KIngs . . . Its true ! His followers said his Egyptian dressed dollies came to life and did rituals in the lounge room with them, in the little model temples they made for them . 

 

Wooo  -  wooo  !  

All aboard passengers, the train is about to leave the station ! 

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Next stop  Wacol Queensland   ( 'Ra-harakte  cult ' HQ )

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8 hours ago, The_Spartan said:

people are gullible.

Though it was done to death in australia and elsewhere. these woo woos like steven strong and his ilk keep on fooling people.

it was dome to death , also by me personally, here ,  where I revealed the info about Aussie Ray  before.

 

someone revived an old thread and someone jumped on the band wagon and started posting gobble de gook again .  and opened up the old ( now abandoned )  'Mullumbimby railway station'  ........ woooo   wooooo  ! 

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1 hour ago, back to earth said:

This is exact;y what I wanted Crystal to clarify, but I wanted to get clear first.   W. Ray, I imagined, would be horrified to be cited as the other Ray, if I was right . 

Crystal claimed Ray ( not W. Ray ) had  documentation as a translator from a US museum.  I have heard that before, and indeed Ray (in Queensland Australia ) personally made that claim to me .  others said it was true as they saw the documentation, so I asked to see it .  Ray was happy to show it and whipped it out confidently .  Indeed it is an official letter from some museum in USA that deals with Egyptology and translations  (  ahem !   :D  ) ... cant remember where, the point was the context of the letter was a very polite ;  we are in receipt of the  documents you sent us and blah blah .   No real acknowledgement of anything . 

Visual sub text  !   again  !    Sub-text of actions ! 

I have seen this trick before ;  many people believed a police report saying x did y to z and tried to convince me about it, They saw the proof, there is a police report !  . x handed over the official looking report  to me to prove it;  itwas an acknowledgment of  receiving an allegation  x made to police   claiming  z did y . 

Even some people reading may not get that . 

I hope I have cleared some things up, especially for Mr W. Ray's sake  . 

But what isnt cleared up is Crystal's response to my question. 

 

Did she just google the name to try and find a qualification she were sprouting about that  existed, via gossip mind you , and identified W. Ray as  fake poser Ray ?   Did she just quote someone else, if so ... someone, I feel, tried to prove something BS just by googling the name .

Tut - tut     , any Egyptologust would say .

 

( Yes, Ray in Oz had passed, and yes, I knew him , he did magic tricks for me in his lounge room  : )  , he also had a  little following of 'Ra-Harakte' followers, some who were indigenous people.  Why ? 

Because Ray was the reincarnation of the God Ra ... and a few Egyptian KIngs . . . Its true ! His followers said his Egyptian dressed dollies came to life and did rituals in the lounge room with them, in the little model temples they made for them . 

 

Wooo  -  wooo  !  

All aboard passengers, the train is about to leave the station ! 

Mullumbimby%2BRailway%2BStation%2B2014.j

Next stop  Wacol Queensland   ( 'Ra-harakte  cult ' HQ )

Why am I not surprised that Wacol, known for two things (a gaol and "alternative lifestyles") is the heart of woo in Queensland?

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Habitat

Wacol has ''alternative lifestyles" ? I don't follow.

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back to earth
1 hour ago, Lord Fedorable said:

Why am I not surprised that Wacol, known for two things (a gaol and "alternative lifestyles") is the heart of woo in Queensland?

Pffft ......   'our'   Nimbin and Mullum (up)    run rings around your Wacol !       :P

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1 hour ago, Habitat said:

Wacol has ''alternative lifestyles" ? I don't follow.

You know how south of the border there's Nimbin? Well, that's Wacol. 

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1 hour ago, Habitat said:

Wacol has ''alternative lifestyles" ? I don't follow.

Try following the road to Nimbin, you will understand when you get there   (watch out for Charles !  ) 

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8 minutes ago, back to earth said:

Try following the road to Nimbin, you will understand when you get there   (watch out for Charles !  ) 

I see no resemblance between Wacol, which is largely an industrial suburb, and the town of Nimbin, though I have not returned to Nimbin since 1973 !

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psyche101
17 hours ago, back to earth said:

Try following the road to Nimbin, you will understand when you get there   (watch out for Charles !  ) 

Have not been there since probably the 90's when I had to check out their "Festival". Was not really believing what I heard about it.

It was just as was described! A bit disjointed, the parade I saw got lost and half of it wandered out of town, whilst the other half wandered down past the pub near the Caravan park. That was actually pretty funny to watch. Also - someone who could not have been 16 wandering the side of the parade with a hessian sack filled with .... vital greens? Handing it out to street watchers! I walked past the cop shop, all down the back with a BBQ roaring, and a waist high stack of cartons of beer! Quite an experience I must say, but as I say, that would have been mid-late 90's I heard half the town has burned down since but do not know if it was rebuilt. Is it still the same place or has it modernised? 

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On 10/4/2016 at 3:14 AM, crystal sage said:

map-of-egypt-in-arabic-and-english.jpg  and the above map of ancient routes   from Egypt to Australia !!!!     It was done.. over 50,000 years ago... and then  there is Indian  ,  Philippine and other DNA in the Aboriginal people....  that go back over 4000 years and beyond.. ... these migrations and possible trade routes definitely happened...

 

 

Some interesting ideations... here...   https://books.google.com.au/books?id=lEleBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT184&lpg=PT184&dq=Legends+of+the+aborigines+tell+of+white+men+living+in+the+city+thousands+of+years+ago.&source=bl&ots=0QKcuMIa_1&sig=6pPfYMqPu4dULbgtQRpPZnvEUXs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipo8uL8JnLAhVFHpQKHcolBPkQ6AEISDAI#v=onepage&q=Legends of the aborigines tell of white men living in the city thousands of years ago.&f=false

Err... I'm not sure where anyone thinks Australia is in that map.  If this is used as evidence ,someone needs a refresher in geography.  And also...ancient aliens?

 

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Hanslune
9 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Err... I'm not sure where anyone thinks Australia is in that map.  If this is used as evidence ,someone needs a refresher in geography.  And also...ancient aliens?

 

(sigh)

Australia is just to the southeast of Halaib............

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back to earth

Crystal is off her rocker. 

 

By the way 1/2 of Nimbin didnt burn down, just  a main shop or two in the center, he big cafe hang shop and .... the sacred icon 

 

 

this kombi 

 

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Image result for NImbin Kombi in shop

 

 

That was Bob Hawke's daughters kombi  that she ran off to Nimbin in. 

For our non Aussie readers Bob was a past Aussie Prime Minister  ... and champion beer drinker . 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, back to earth said:

Crystal is off her rocker. 

I have noticed her somewhat abstract view, and was gingerly approaching the subject in my politest manner. Not her home town by any chance that we are discussing  ......  ~~~~ 

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By the way 1/2 of Nimbin didnt burn down, just  a main shop or two in the center, he big cafe hang shop and .... the sacred icon 

So it was half the town then!!! ;) 

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this kombi 

 

Image result for NImbin Kombi in shop

 

Image result for NImbin Kombi in shop

 

 

That was Bob Hawke's daughters kombi  that she ran off to Nimbin in. 

Get out!!!! I never knew that!! 

ETA - Holy crap, I think I know that couple!! 

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For our non Aussie readers Bob was a past Aussie Prime Minister  ... and champion beer drinker . 

 

 

 

Ever since his younger years!! :D

This Yard glass is an iconic photo I reckon :D

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That is you in that photo isnt is ? 

Image result for NImbin Kombi in shop

 

( now you know why Whitlam, Hawke and Cameron tried to pass that old hippy 'socialist bill',                                         all their kids 'dropped out' . 

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On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 3:48 PM, back to earth said:

This is exact;y what I wanted Crystal to clarify, but I wanted to get clear first.   W. Ray, I imagined, would be horrified to be cited as the other Ray, if I was right . 

Crystal claimed Ray ( not W. Ray ) had  documentation as a translator from a US museum.  I have heard that before, and indeed Ray (in Queensland Australia ) personally made that claim to me .  others said it was true as they saw the documentation, so I asked to see it .  Ray was happy to show it and whipped it out confidently .  Indeed it is an official letter from some museum in USA that deals with Egyptology and translations  (  ahem !   :D  ) ... cant remember where, the point was the context of the letter was a very polite ;  we are in receipt of the  documents you sent us and blah blah .   No real acknowledgement of anything . 

Visual sub text  !   again  !    Sub-text of actions ! 

I have seen this trick before ;  many people believed a police report saying x did y to z and tried to convince me about it, They saw the proof, there is a police report !  . x handed over the official looking report  to me to prove it;  itwas an acknowledgment of  receiving an allegation  x made to police   claiming  z did y . 

Even some people reading may not get that . 

I hope I have cleared some things up, especially for Mr W. Ray's sake  . 

But what isnt cleared up is Crystal's response to my question. 

 

Did she just google the name to try and find a qualification she were sprouting about that  existed, via gossip mind you , and identified W. Ray as  fake poser Ray ?   Did she just quote someone else, if so ... someone, I feel, tried to prove something BS just by googling the name .

Tut - tut     , any Egyptologust would say .

 

( Yes, Ray in Oz had passed, and yes, I knew him , he did magic tricks for me in his lounge room  : )  , he also had a  little following of 'Ra-Harakte' followers, some who were indigenous people.  Why ? 

Because Ray was the reincarnation of the God Ra ... and a few Egyptian KIngs . . . Its true ! His followers said his Egyptian dressed dollies came to life and did rituals in the lounge room with them, in the little model temples they made for them . 

 

Wooo  -  wooo  !  

All aboard passengers, the train is about to leave the station ! 

Mullumbimby%2BRailway%2BStation%2B2014.j

Next stop  Wacol Queensland   ( 'Ra-harakte  cult ' HQ )

  Sorry for being so late in my response.. I only just found it.   One needs to think logically of ancient times.. travel.. the entourages of these missions.. to question.. would the ancients have taken proper scribe crafts men with them on their journeys to the far lands?  I gather the formal ancient hieroglyphs on ancient works in Egypt would have been exacted.. by skilled crafts people .. skilled scribes.   Those scholars or assistants that would have accompanied the adventurous rich sons of Egyptian  noble men or Pharaohs on explorations or trade with other lands would they have had the time to do a proper piece of art in leaving evidence or commemorating their adventure and loss of some high born son?   The ancient times amongst warring aboriginals.. ( there is a history of over 700 tribes  all having different dialects.. languages throughout Australia and most didn't get on  ) Would any of the ancient travelers have felt safe enough to take time for a proper commemoration. Would the ancient have all been  skilled scribes?  Or would they have drawn straws as to who will lay the soul of the highborn to rest via taking the time to carve out their story of their time in that land ? Of course the hieroglyphs wouldn't have been perfect. There may even have been their version of slang terms, and shoddy workmanship. There would have been random hieroglyphic graffiti left  around the various sites  by partially skilled literate  Egyptian adventurers who would have travelled far and wide for rare jewels .. rare plants.. rare animals to win favour back home or for trade purposes.   Of course the ancient Egyptians would have known about ancient Australia. If the ancient Indians knew of Australia ( who were  also part of the  trade routes.. the silk road merchandizing  of ancient times.. ) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-15/research-shows-ancient-indian-migration-to-australia/4466382 

I even think that Australia could have been the mysterious Ophir mentioned in the bible . They speak of a mysterious land of treasures  on the far side that balances the world.

 

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Kings 9:26-28 26King Solomon also built ships at Ezion Geber, which is near Elath in Edom, on the shore of the Red Sea. 27And Hiram sent his men-sailors who knew the sea-to serve in the fleet with Solomon's men. 28They sailed to Ophir and brought back 420 talents of gold, which they delivered to King Solomon.

 

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http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/writing/explore/scribe.html

Not everyone learned to read and write in ancient Egypt. Only one group of people called scribes was allowed to have this knowledge.

Who were the scribes?

Scribes were people in ancient Egypt (usually men) who learned to read and write.

Although experts believe that most scribes were men, there is evidence of some female doctors. These women would have been trained as scribes so that they could read medical texts.

How long did it take to become a scribe?

It could take four to five years for a person to go through scribe school.

 

So it may have been highly unlikely that scribes accompanied all the exploratory or trading missions. Or  if there was  a scribe or two  included in the entourage, that they would have all  survived these excursions/missions   in ancient times across harsh conditions that would have taken many months or even years to accomplish. 

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/scribe.html

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The hieroglyphic language of the ancient Egyptians was complex and beautiful and those who had mastered it held a valued position in society. Scribes were the protectors and developers of ancient Egyptian culture and central to academic research and the smooth running of the state apparatus. The scribes not only copied existing texts preserving them for future generations, they also edited existing works and wrote new texts. They were considered to be members of the royal court and as such did not have to pay tax, undertake military service or perform manual labour.

Setka, son of the fourth dynasty pharaoh Djedefre depicted as a scribe

Many positions of influence within the administrative hierarchy of ancient Egypt required scribal training,

So logically .. what was the chance of the ancient Egyptians aboard a merchant ship having a qualified scribe with them . They may have had ones who had a little knowledge of  the craft , hence the makeshift  hieroglyphic markings commemorating important events or records of their missions   on ancient sites in far flung lands. 

;) that includes the Grand Canyon hieroglyphs. 

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Nakht+hunting+.jpg

 

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Aboriginal boomerangs 

 

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3 hours ago, crystal sage said:

  Sorry for being so late in my response.. I only just found it.   One needs to think logically of ancient times.. travel.. the entourages of these missions.. to question.. would the ancients have taken proper scribe crafts men with them on their journeys to the far lands?  I gather the formal ancient hieroglyphs on ancient works in Egypt would have been exacted.. by skilled crafts people .. skilled scribes.   Those scholars or assistants that would have accompanied the adventurous rich sons of Egyptian  noble men or Pharaohs on explorations or trade with other lands would they have had the time to do a proper piece of art in leaving evidence or commemorating their adventure and loss of some high born son?   The ancient times amongst warring aboriginals.. ( there is a history of over 700 tribes  all having different dialects.. languages throughout Australia and most didn't get on  ) Would any of the ancient travelers have felt safe enough to take time for a proper commemoration. Would the ancient have all been  skilled scribes?  Or would they have drawn straws as to who will lay the soul of the highborn to rest via taking the time to carve out their story of their time in that land ? Of course the hieroglyphs wouldn't have been perfect. There may even have been their version of slang terms, and shoddy workmanship. There would have been random hieroglyphic graffiti left  around the various sites  by partially skilled literate  Egyptian adventurers who would have travelled far and wide for rare jewels .. rare plants.. rare animals to win favour back home or for trade purposes.   Of course the ancient Egyptians would have known about ancient Australia. If the ancient Indians knew of Australia ( who were  also part of the  trade routes.. the silk road merchandizing  of ancient times.. ) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-15/research-shows-ancient-indian-migration-to-australia/4466382 

I even think that Australia could have been the mysterious Ophir mentioned in the bible . They speak of a mysterious land of treasures  on the far side that balances the world.

 

 

Crystal, it's not just that the glyphs were written so poorly, it's that they're completely random and don't say anything in ancient Egyptian. It's the same effect as randomly writing English letters on a chalkboard—jwuxbsfdj7hrbfm9ksfj. It produces nothing but meaningless gibberish. Definitively stated, the glyphs etched into rock faces in Australia are a hoax. There is no doubt.

And the poster to whom you replied, back to earth, is not even a member of UM anymore. He hasn't been for a long time.

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20 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Nakht+hunting+.jpg

 

hunting4.jpg

 

Aboriginal boomerangs 

 

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlZmvZ5CSstUs3R8PFYKR

boom2.JPG

The Egyptian version are just throwsticks, a weapon for hunting birds. They have no connection to Aboriginal boomerangs.

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