conspiracysrus Posted June 10, 2007 #1 Share Posted June 10, 2007 i read this story and cant believe the cheek of the church to say that "Sony PlayStation 3 game 'Resistance: Fall of Man' in a virtual cathedral - identical to Manchester Cathedral - is grossly insensitive" It is not just the use of holy ground for the bloodthirsty game which has upset the clergy; it is the fact that Manchester has been so scarred by gun violence in recent years. what and the church knows nothing of killing by the million with guns at all does it they dont mind so long as its for their gain, but for someone elses source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6738309.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt_Ripley Posted June 10, 2007 #2 Share Posted June 10, 2007 (edited) i read this story and cant believe the cheek of the church to say that "Sony PlayStation 3 game 'Resistance: Fall of Man' in a virtual cathedral - identical to Manchester Cathedral - is grossly insensitive" It is not just the use of holy ground for the bloodthirsty game which has upset the clergy; it is the fact that Manchester has been so scarred by gun violence in recent years. what and the church knows nothing of killing by the million with guns at all does it they dont mind so long as its for their gain, but for someone elses source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6738309.stm what I find strange is that there is a christian war game out. convert or kill the enemy. disturbing to say the least. not just in the killing but the converting . Left Behind: Eternal Forces is a real-time strategy game for Microsoft Windows by Left Behind Games. The player joins a Christian organization (known as the Tribulation Force) who are fighting the forces of the Antichrist (known as the Global Community Peacekeepers, loosely modeled on the United Nations Peacekeepers). The game is based on the evangelical Christian Left Behind series of books. The player is able to direct the actions of the main characters (Rayford Steele, Cameron "Buck" Williams, Chloe Steele, and Bruce Barnes) in their efforts to counter Antichrist Nicolae Carpathia. The game was released in the United States on November 14, 2006 and received mixed reviews.[1] The game is a loose adaptation of the events of the book series, taking place in New York City. It is staged after the events of the Rapture, when all faithful Christians have been taken by God from the earth, leading to sudden chaos The game takes place after the Christian Rapture. Players seek to convert neutral people, but may choose to resort to violence if attacked. When asked about the violence in the game, Left Behind Games responded [3] that every action has a consequence. According to LBG, there are "no Bible-bashing believers, no Bible thumpers, no radical extremists killing in the name of God, no abortion clinic stalkers." A number of analyses before the game was released had raised concern that the game depicts a religious war in which the residents of New York City must convert to fundamentalist Christianity or die. The game has been set within a New York City environment which The Left Behind Games company created by photographing, in great detail, hundreds of blocks of New York City. Violence in the game is depicted as bloodless, and bodies of slain characters fade until they completely vanish. Independent game reviews have repeatedly stated that violence is punished and only used as a last resort. The Anti-Defamation League states, “Conversion to Christianity in the game is not depicted as forcible in nature, and violence is not rewarded in the game.†[5]. ArsTechnica.com says, “Many groups have made inaccurate statements about this game that need to be corrected. For one thing, it is not particularly violent. While there are violent aspects of the game, the game makes it clear that shooting is the last resort. Second, it is not hateful to other religions. It does have an agenda, and I think you need to know that going in, but there's no bashing of other faiths.†and “…the game is fun, it'll keep parents happy with its light levels of violence, and it'll be sold at video game stores, religious book stores, and everywhere else people spend money on God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind:_Eternal_Forces Edited June 10, 2007 by Lt_Ripley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 10, 2007 #3 Share Posted June 10, 2007 They worship a blood thristy terrorist but they're mad over a video game? lmao, hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conspiracysrus Posted June 10, 2007 Author #4 Share Posted June 10, 2007 that kratos is illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekorig Posted June 10, 2007 #5 Share Posted June 10, 2007 here is a unit type called a "Secularist" on the evil side who specializes in deception. Rock musicians in the game are also associated with the forces of evil. The game has an extensive music library including Christian Rock music. Among the GC's units are rock musicians, "Secularists" and cult leaders. Many of the enemy's units, including Rock Stars, Gang Bosses, Cult Leaders and heavier front-line soldiers are described as being trained in "College". Between missions, the player is also treated to articles about Christianity as well as general articles. Missions typically consist of attempting to convert as many people as possible to the Tribulation Force, through the use of "Recruiter" units to raise the "Spirit Level" of civilians. The player can train these new converts, termed "Friends", for a variety of occupations to help further their goal of spreading "The truth behind the disappearances." These converted "Friends" include builders, musicians, and soldiers. Eventually, the player will have to fight the GC, who will use various forms to propaganda as well as conventional combat to reduce the Tribulation Force's numbers. Killing units and being exposed to the GC's various forms of influence (rock music, secularist propaganda etc.) will lower a unit's Spirit Level, which can eventually lead to the units switching sides unless they pray to increase their own spirit level. Screenshots first distributed by the company [4] to promote the game showed bodies lying in the NYC streets and the army of the Antichrist firing on "Tribulation Force" civilians. Any violence in the game, its makers contend, comes as a result of the army of the Antichrist attacking the members of the "Tribuatlion Force" and the self-defense measures deployed as the main characters try to stay out of the clutches of the antichrist-ruled "Global Community." The company also states in its official game description "The remaining population – those who were left behind – are then poised to make a decision at some point. They cannot remain neutral. Their choice is to either join the AntiChrist – which is an imposturous one world government seeking peace for all of mankind, or they may join the Tribulation Force – which seeks to expose the truth and defend themselves against the forces of the AntiChrist. " The point of time when that decision is forced upon the citizens is not depicted in the game. While there is an evangelical element to the game, the makers want to emphasize the non-violent nature of evangelical activities and the possibilities of non-violent confrontation within a video game. Source - Wikipedia I would like to see the answer of these "poor not-understand" fundie christians who makes game like this to a Muslim version of this game. You have to converyt people to the true word of Allah to save them of the horrible and cruel Satan!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted June 10, 2007 #6 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I would like to see the answer of these "poor not-understand" fundie christians who makes game like this to a Muslim version of this game.That would be so true except for the fact radical muslims don't need the video game version, they have the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted June 10, 2007 #7 Share Posted June 10, 2007 What's more ironic is that the above quote in the official site says "...a positive moral message. - AOL.com". Moral... by killing those who don't believe the same beleif as you? That's like Islam saying it's a religion of perfect peace oh.... wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted June 10, 2007 #8 Share Posted June 10, 2007 What's more ironic is that the above quote in the official site says "...a positive moral message. - AOL.com". Moral... by killing those who don't believe the same beleif as you?So, it's morally O.K. to kill people with differing takes on religion? I don't think so. Not unless they were the first ones shooting, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted June 10, 2007 #9 Share Posted June 10, 2007 So, it's morally O.K. to kill people with differing takes on religion? Appariently it is with christianity =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted June 10, 2007 #10 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Appariently it is with christianity =/If so, that sect of X-tianity is in bad company. At least when Islamist do it, they usually kill themselves in the attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 10, 2007 #11 Share Posted June 10, 2007 If so, that sect of X-tianity is in bad company. At least when Islamist do it, they usually kill themselves in the attempt. They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kind of hard to call it a sect when it's so clearly written out in the bible for all to read. As for muslims, pretty much goes the same for them. They're just more popular for the news these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 11, 2007 #12 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Church of England demands Sony donation for cathedral shoot-out game LONDON (AFP) - The Church of England on Sunday asked entertainment giant Sony to apologise and contribute a large donation for featuring a prominent British cathedral in a violent video game. Church officials had earlier accused Sony of using the historic interior of Manchester Cathedral, where memorials for gun crime victims have been held, as the backdrop for parts of the new Playstation 3 game, "Resistance: Fall of Man" without permission. More of the article here... Link -------------------------------------- "We feel offended by our own hypocrisy, so give us money NOW!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted June 11, 2007 #13 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Wow, what a tangled skein. I think it's right for the Church to kick up a rumpus if, in fact, the church in the game has been NOTICEABLY modelled on Manchester Cathedral specificly. (but has it, or is it just a generaly gothic church ? ) As for the game, then based on what I've read here I think it's sick. I don't know wether it's been released in the UK, but if it has, it may well fall foul of the new Religious Thought Crimes laws. (who'd a thunk that they would actually be used for something useful ? ) Now REPENT ye godless heathens, less I get my M16 Meow Purr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clocker Posted June 11, 2007 #14 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Wow, what a tangled skein. I think it's right for the Church to kick up a rumpus if, in fact, the church in the game has been NOTICEABLY modelled on Manchester Cathedral specificly. (but has it, or is it just a generaly gothic church ? ) As for the game, then based on what I've read here I think it's sick. I don't know wether it's been released in the UK, but if it has, it may well fall foul of the new Religious Thought Crimes laws. (who'd a thunk that they would actually be used for something useful ? ) Now REPENT ye godless heathens, less I get my M16 Meow Purr. Wait...I must be missing something. It is a video game we're talking about, right? It is just a video game, no more no less. I don't understand why anyone would get upset over that. I really hope Sony won't pay anything. Freedom of expression and all that. Maybe they should feature the Hagia Sofia in Istanbul in the sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted June 11, 2007 #15 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Church of England demands Sony donation for cathedral shoot-out game LONDON (AFP) - The Church of England on Sunday asked entertainment giant Sony to apologise and contribute a large donation for featuring a prominent British cathedral in a violent video game. Church officials had earlier accused Sony of using the historic interior of Manchester Cathedral, where memorials for gun crime victims have been held, as the backdrop for parts of the new Playstation 3 game, "Resistance: Fall of Man" without permission. More of the article here... Link -------------------------------------- "We feel offended by our own hypocrisy, so give us money NOW!!!" Wow... for once in my life I feel a little embarrised by King Henry VIII actions of seperating from catholicism. Since when do buildings have copyright on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
british_patriot Posted June 11, 2007 #16 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I see my house get destroyed in that game (Manchester)! I wan't some compensation! wa, wa, wa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted June 11, 2007 #17 Share Posted June 11, 2007 what I find strange is that there is a christian war game out. convert or kill the enemy. disturbing to say the least. not just in the killing but the converting . Because this is worse than any other violent video game. *yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conspiracysrus Posted June 11, 2007 Author #18 Share Posted June 11, 2007 they are just maggots as with all religions. whatever they say their motives are for being angry we all know the truth dont we? and especially the church of england they sold out their moral code a mighty long time ago and do so at every turn. gay clergy , female priests, and same sex marriages,protesting for the rights of illegal immigrants (mostly muslims)to have citizenship. which is all fine and dandy. im just saying why the high horse it just dont wash do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted June 11, 2007 #19 Share Posted June 11, 2007 The Catholic Church makes me sick, the Pope and his ideals.. They are so quick to jump in and dictate moral standards. How much do they spend on "out of court settlements for sexual abuse every year" how many people have they killed because of their "non protected sex policy" how many children are born into poverty because of the same reason. Would you trust a Catholic priest as a babysitter?.. Oooops slightly off topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 12, 2007 #20 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Having played the game and seen the news reports and working 2 mins away from it I popped down for a quick look. Now although the cathedral in the game and manchester cathedral seem very similar at first glance I noticed a distinct lack of space aliens running around in the real cathedral. Disappointing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted June 12, 2007 #21 Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) The Church of England on Sunday asked entertainment giant Sony to apologise and contribute a large donation for featuring a prominent British cathedral in a violent video game. whatever they say their motives are for being angry we all know the truth dont we?SO! It is more about the Funding than the setting! Since when do buildings have copyright on themAn architect can have a copywrite on the "Blueprints" and in some cases the "Floorplan" as well but, not on the over all image of a building as far as I know. And I think even that is limited in the case of Public Buildings. Of course, you cannot copy down someones elses blue prints and run off and build another building just like it with out paying someone first but, I don't know if there is any real law as to whow that relates to the "cyber-world". In truth, the game makers will probably have to pay some kind of penalty but, still, it does seem silly. what I find strange is that there is a christian war game out. convert or kill the enemy. disturbing to say the least. not just in the killing but the converting .I'm not so much bothered by there beig a game out there like this, in all truth. What I do find unsettling is that fact that so many X-tian organisations are in lock step to support it. Remember, I'm Jewish. In the real world, when X-tian activists get fired up, it's rarely the muslims they go out trying to convert, it's Jews. Edited June 12, 2007 by Lord Umbarger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted June 12, 2007 #22 Share Posted June 12, 2007 I'm not so much bothered by there beig a game out there like this, in all truth. What I do find unsettling is that fact that so many X-tian organisations are in lock step to support it. Remember, I'm Jewish. In the real world, when X-tian activists get fired up, it's rarely the muslims they go out trying to convert, it's Jews. Hardly suprising... Jews don't get executed if they convert, muslims do. Meow Purr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clocker Posted June 12, 2007 #23 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hardly suprising... Jews don't get executed if they convert, muslims do. Meow Purr. Funny, none of the muslims who have abandoned their religion that I know of (I don't know of many though) have not been executed I'm just saying, don't you think that's a bit one sided approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted June 12, 2007 #24 Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Funny, none of the muslims who have abandoned their religion that I know of (I don't know of many though) have not been executed I'm just saying, don't you think that's a bit one sided approach? Weeeell.... I was just quoting official doctrine. The Koranic penalty for aspostasy (turning away from Islam) is death. Hence - on balance - a muslim is less likely to convert than a Jew, because the latter faces far stronger sanctions from their family and community. Hmmm.... I do seem to have somewhat wandered off the topic of the video game... :S Meow Purr. Edited June 12, 2007 by ships-cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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