Fatal Posted June 10, 2007 #1 Share Posted June 10, 2007 What do you think causes these disappearances in the B.T.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBrowne Posted June 10, 2007 #2 Share Posted June 10, 2007 The more we learn about the nature of reality, the more mysterious it seems. Fantasies like The Matrix films propose that life as we know it on this planet is nothing more than a highly complex computer simulation generated and imposed on our minds by sophisticated machines. Yet we might not have movies like The Matrix if it weren't for the discovery of the perplexing but apparently real nature of the world on a subatomic level. On this quantum level, if I understand it correctly, matter seems to exist as both particles and waves - or the potential to be either - and how it ultimately behaves is determined by observation. This is a highly complex subject and well beyond the scope and depth of this article (check out the PhysicsareaofAbout.com), but it may be that reality at a subatomic (or quantum) level may be determined by our own consciousness. Not all scientists quite agree with that conclusion, but it is a possibility. (As far as I know, there are no firm conclusions about quantum reality, only theories.) The bottom line is, the universe may be a set of probabilities and the world we experience day-to-day is just the most probable. This notion leads to the concept of multiple universes (or dimensions) created by other probabilities, time travel and other mind-bending ideas. So as fantastic as The Matrix may be, reality may be far stranger. Glowing Clouds, the Oz Factor and Strange Phenomena One aspect of that strangeness is covered with great intelligence and forthrightness in Jenny Randles' book Time Storms: Amazing Evidence for Time Warps, Space Rifts, and Time Travel. In it, she makes a convincing case that time travel is not only possible, but that it may be taking place regularly around the world. Randles lays the groundwork for such a possibility by explaining the current scientific thinking about quantum physics and the nature of time in layman's terms. Her explanations are clear and pretty easy to understand, which is quite a feat for such a complicated subject. And the reason for laying this groundwork is to offer a possible explanation for the many highly strange (can we call them paranormal?) experiences people have had that seem to indicate tears, warps or leaps in the fabric of time. These fascinating anecdotes, which Randles has collected from all over the world, are the meat of the book. And they all have one common element: a peculiar energy cloud that can transport people and very often their vehicles into some unknown dimension. The result for these people can be missing time (from just minutes to days), disorientation (what Randles calls the "Oz Factor"), teleporation over impossible distances, electronic failure, gravity anomalies and other phenomena. These peculiar, glowing clouds -- time storms -- just may be an explanation for a variety of paranormal phenomena, including ghosts, spirits, synchonicity, deja vu, UFOs and what is thought of as alien abductions. Randles suggests that none of this is paranormal at all, but that these time storms are just a scientific reality that we do not understand yet. OA - Paranormal.about.com Gene I think this might have something to do with it. What do you think? Cheers, Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted June 11, 2007 #3 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I think this might have something to do with it. What do you think? Cheers, Gene Loved the post Gene and to me it makes perfect sense! I do think the Burmuda Triangle is some kind of force or entrance to another dimension, great reading, thanks for providing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lava Posted June 11, 2007 #4 Share Posted June 11, 2007 What do you think causes these disappearances in the B.T.?? funny you should ask that. just yesterday i red a book about some metaphysical things around the world. there was a passage about Bermuda triangle. well, those Islamic scientist say BT is a demonic empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBrowne Posted June 11, 2007 #5 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Loved the post Gene and to me it makes perfect sense! I do think the Burmuda Triangle is some kind of force or entrance to another dimension, great reading, thanks for providing it. Why thank you. I thought the same thing, I posted that last week as a new Time Travel theory that I never even heard of... but it can explain so much, especially when people talk about time slips in fog and other weather, like myself. So much myster surrounds the BT, it boggles my mind. Anyways, I'd like to go there someday and maybe find out what happens to everyone/thing that disappears there, something tells me knowing my luck I'd be gone with them lol. Cheers, Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCrimsonx Posted June 11, 2007 #6 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Well, I like this post, most interesting. Ive always put it down to either aliens or that its got something to do with the earths polar points, true and magnetic north. e.g oranges and apples......a round fruit has to degrade from one starting point ie-: due to climate and the occurances at the particular point, something is bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadonis Posted June 11, 2007 #7 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Why do people just think the Bermuda Triangle is a special place? Hundreds of people have been "lost" in there but do you ever think about the people that become lost on normal parts of the ocean? Perhaps the area that the triangle is in is just a very bad area because of current changes and such. The ocean is a very peculiar place to be these days. Global Warming is real and it has probably been screwing with us for a while. I don't refute that compasses will sometimes become erratic in the area of the triangle, but has ANYONE ever gone outside the boundaries of it and tested just outside there? Perhaps it isn't a triangle. Perhaps it is a normal scientific phenomena that hasn't been tested entirely yet. There is absolutely NO evidence suggesting some sort of time warp. All of this is just shannanegins until people actually go to the triangle, do a large study and conclude with fair results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBrowne Posted June 11, 2007 #8 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) There is absolutely NO evidence suggesting some sort of time warp. All of this is just shannanegins until people actually go to the triangle, do a large study and conclude with fair results. Not to be an a$$, but where's your evidence saying it's not? have you found wreckages? Thats one of the big mysteries of the BT... people have gone looking for wreckages, searched the ocean and have found very little or nothing. Just as you have the right to disbelieve, people have the right to believe. You are right about the study, I'd like to see it done too. . Please don't think I'm being an ass to you, because I'm not, I'm just simply stating that it can be looked at from both sides without evidence suggesting who's right. Maybe someday one of us will be able to prove the other wrong, but until then, I give it the benefit of the doubt. Cheers, Gene Edit: Typo Edited June 11, 2007 by GeneBrowne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asc.rudeboy Posted June 11, 2007 #9 Share Posted June 11, 2007 when i was a little kid around 4 or5 we flew from the militery base in cuba,where my dad was stationed to somewhere in the states,,,to young to remember that part,,but i do remember the captain annocing that we were flying threw a corner of the BT and not long after the annocemnt we hit huge pockets of turbulance,,i can remember shti flying everywhere because they just served drinks and snacks, we bounced around really bad for what seemed like forever my mom was crying and using the barf bag,,,then everything went back to normal and was a smooth flight....i remember i had to crawl under my seat because mom was holding my little brother a baby wile throwing up in her bag and she couldnt help me buckle my seatbelt again...it was scary,,,scary enough that i never forgot it and im now 32.......not that the same thing couldnt have happend anywhere else in the sky,,,,,but it happend wile flying threw the bt so it makes for a better story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted June 11, 2007 #10 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Another interesting theory, "Electronic Fog." http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/bruce_gernon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBrowne Posted June 11, 2007 #11 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Another interesting theory, "Electronic Fog." http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/bruce_gernon.html Good find Sweet. Strange stories have come out of that place Here's a list of planes alone that have gone missing. The aircraft below are listed for purposes of assisting in identification. I do not necessarily believe every one is the result of unexplainable mystery. Summary of Missing Planes 1. 1945, December 5: The entire training flight of five Navy TBM Avengers. Plane #s FT-28, FT-36, FT-117, FT-3, FT-81. Crew: 14 2. 1945, December 5: PBM Martin Mariner. Off Banana River, Florida at 28o 59’ NL 80o 25 WL. Crew:13 3. 1947, July 3: a C-54 Douglas en route from Bermuda to Miami in cargo service. Crew: 7. 4. 1948, January 30: BSAAC Tudor IV Airliner Star Tiger near Bermuda, northest. 29 crew and passengers, includ ing Air Marshal Sir Arthur Coningham. GAHNP. 5. 1948, December 28: NC-16002, Douglas DC-3 passenger airliner; south of Miami on approach to the airport (within 50 miles). crew and passengers: 31. 6. 1949, January 17: Tudor IV Star Ariel (sister of Star Tiger) Bermuda for Kingston, Jamaica. Crew and pasengers: 19. GAGRE. 7. 1954, October 30: Super Constellation, in Navy service. Maryland for Lajes, in the Azores. Crew and passengers: 42. 8. 1956, November 9: Martin Marlin amphibious patrol plane, about 350 miles north of Bermuda. Crew: 10. 9. 1961, October 15: an 8 engine SAC B-52 “Pogo 22” north of Bermuda while returning from routine maneuvers. 10. 1962, January 8: Air Force KB-50 Aerial tanker. North Carolina to Lajes, Azores. Crew: 8. 11. 1962, May 27: a C-133 Cargomaster, between Dover and Lajes, Azores. Crew:10. 12. 1963, August 28: 2 KC-135 Stratotanker jets mysteriously disintergrate over the Sargasso Sea, enroute back to Miami from refueling near Bermuda. Crew: 10 total. 13 1963, September 22: another C-133 Cargomaster; Dover for the Azores. Crew: 10. 14. 1964, February 8: Piper Apache between Grand Bahama Island and West Palm Beach, Florida. 4 persons. N2157P 15. 1964, December 5: Cessna 140 with 2 persons; off New Smyrna Beach, Florida. N81089 16. 1965, June 5: a C-119 “Flying Boxcar”; Miami to Grand Turk. Crew: 10. Was within 100 miles of Grand Turk. 17. 1965, September 15: Beechcraft c18s, with 3 persons, near St. Thomas, VI, around 7:26 P.M. N8063H 18. 1965, October 31: Cessna 182 somewhere between Marathon Key and Key West, Florida. 2 persons. N4010D 19. 1965, December 6: Ercoupe F01; between Fort Lauderdale and West End, Grand Bahama. 2 persons. N99660 20. 1965, December 29: a Piper Cherokee; South Caicos for San Juan. 3 persons. N6077P 21. 1966, April 5: a converted cargo B-25; Fort Lauderdale to Aruba. N92877 22. 1966, September 20: Tampa to Baton Rouge; Piper Commanche. 2 persons. (see arguments on shape) N7090P 23. 1967, January 11: Chase YC-122; between Fort Lauderdale and Bimini in the Bahamas. 4 Persons. N122E 24. 1967, January 14: a Beechcraft Bonanza near Key Largo.N7210B 4 persons. 25. 1967, January 17: Piper Cherokee en route St. Thomas from San Juan. N4129P 26. 1967, July 2: near Mayaguez, PR, a Cherokee. 4 persons. N5100W 27. 1967, August 6: between Miami & Bimini; Piper Cherokee. 3 persons. N8165W 28. 1967, October 3: Cherokee; Great Inagua for San Juan. N3775K 29. 1967, November 8: Cessna 182; George Town, Great Exuma and Nassau. 4 persons. N7121E 30. 1967, November 22: Cherokee near Cat Island, Bahamas. 4 persons. N9443J 31. 1968, May 29: Cessna 172 near Grand Turk. 2 persons. N1483F 32. 1968, July 8: between Grand Bahama & West Palm Beach; Cessna 180. 2 persons. N944MH 33. 1969, January 5: Piper Comanche between Pompano Beach, FL & North Carolina. 2 persons. N8653P 34. 1969, February 15: Beechcraft 95-c55 en route Miami from Georgia. N9490S 35. 1969, March 8: big Douglas DC-4 in cargo service; after leaving the Azores. Crew: 3. N3821 36. 1969, March 22: a Beechcraft between Kingston, Jamaica & Nassau. 2 persons. N609R 37. 1969, June 6: Cessna 172 between Grand Turk & Caicos Island. 2 persons. N8040L 38. 1969, June 29: a B-95 Beechcraft Executive; Great Inagua for San Juan. N590T 39. 1969, August 3: Piper PA-22; West Palm Beach to Albion, New Jersey. 2 persons. N8971C 40. 1969, October 11: Pilattus-Brittan-Norman Islander; Great Inagua for Puerto Rico. 2 persons. N852JA 41. 1970, January 17: Piper Comanche; between Nassau & Opa Locka, FL. 2 persons. N9078P 42. 1970, July 3: between Maiquetia, Venesuela & San Juan, PR. Cessna 310G. 6 persons. N1166T 43. 1970, November 23: Piper Comanche between West Palm Beach & Kingston, Jamaica. 3 persons. N9346P 44. 1971, March 20: a Cessna 177b with pilot en route Andros Island from Miami at 3:18 P.M. N30844 45. 1971, July 26: Horizon Hunter Club’s rental; near Barbados. 4 persons. 46. 1971, September 10: Phantom II F-4E Jet; on routine maneuvers 82 miles south of Miami. 2 pilots. 47. 1971, December 21: Cessna 150j with pilot after leaving Pompano Beach; destination unknown. N61155 48. 1972, October 10: Super Constellation between Miami & Santo Domingo. 4 crew. N564E 49. 1973, March 28: Cessna 172 after leaving West Palm Beach, FL, with pilot. N7050T 50. 1973, May 25: a Navion A16 between Freeport and West Palm Beach. 2 persons. N5126K 51. 1973, August 10: Beechcraft Bonanza between Fort Lauderdale & Marsh Harbour, Bahamas. 4 persons. N7956K 52. 1973, August 26: after departing Viaquez, PR; Cessna 150. 3 persons. N50143 53. 1973, December 20: a Lake Amphibian between Nassau and Bimini. (near Bimini). 3 persons. N39385 54. 1974, February 10: pilot and his Cessna 414 vanish after leaving treasure Cay, Bahamas. N8103Q 55. 1974, February 10: that night a Pilattus -Brittan- Norman Islander with pilot and co-pilot disappear at 7:31 P.M. on approach St. Thomas. N864JA 56. 1974, July 13: Piper PA-32 between West Palm Beach & Walker Cay, Bahamas. N83CA 57. 1974, August 11: Beech K35 Bonanza after departing Pompano Beach, FL. for Philadelphia. 2 persons. N632Q 58. 1975, February 25: Piper PA-30; Greensboro, NC. to Freeport, GBI; pilot only. N414DG 59. 1975, May 2: Cessna “Skymaster”; Fort Lauderdale area. N86011 60. 1975, July 28: Cessna 172; vicinity Fort Lauderdale. 1 N8936V 61. 1975, December 9: Cessna 172; St. Croix to St. Kitts. 1; N5182R 62. 1976, June 4: Beech D50; Pahokee, FL., to Dominican Republic; 2. N1157 63. 1976, August 8: Piper PA-28; Vera Cruz, Mexico to Brownsville, TX; 1. (See Q&A Arguments on shape) N6377J 64. 1976, October 24: Beech E-50; Opa Locka, FL. to Grand Turk Island. N5665D 65. 1976, December 28: Piper PA-23; Anguilla to Beef Island; 6. N4573P 66. 1978, February 22: a KA-6 Navy attack bomber vanished from radar 100 miles off Norfolk en route U.S.S. John F. Kennedy; 2. 67. 1978, March 25: Aero Commander 680; Opa Locka- Imokalee, FL. to Freeport, Grand Bahama; 2. N128C 68. 1978, April 27: Ted Smith 601; Pompano Beach to Panama City, FL.; 1. N555BU 69. 1978, April 30: Cessna 172; Dillon, SC., to unknown; 1. N1GH 70. 1978, May 19: Piper PA-28 Fort Pierce to Nassau; 4. N47910 71. 1978, May 26: Beech 65; Port-au-Prince to Bahamas; 2. N809Q 72. 1978, July 18: Piper PA-31; Santa Marta, Col. to Port-au- Prince; 2. N689WW 73. 1978, September 21: Douglas DC-3; Fort Lauderdale to Havana; 4. N407D 74. 1978, November 3: Piper PA-31; St. Croix to St. Thomas; 1. N59912 (right off St. Thomas) 75. 1978, November 20: Piper PA-23; De Funiak Springs to Gainsville, FL.; 4. N54615 76. 1979, January 11: Beech A23A; Opa Locka to St. Thomas; 2. N925RZ 77. 1979, April 2: Beech E18s; Fort Lauderdale to Cat Island, Bahamas; 1. N4442 78. 1979, April 24: Piper PA-28R; Fort Lauderdale to Nassau; 4. N7480J 79. 1979, June 30: Cessna 150J; St. Croix to St. Thomas; 2. N60936 80. 1979, September 9: Cessna 182; New Orleans to Pensacola, Florida. 3 persons. N2183R 81. 1979, October 4: Aero Commander 500; Andros Island to West Palm Beach, FL.; pilot; N3815C 82. 1979, October 27: Piper PA-23; Montego Bay, Jamaico to Nassau; pilot. N13986 83. 1979, November 19: Beech D50b; Delray Beach, FL to to Key West; 1. N1706 84. 1979, December 21: Piper PA-23; Aguadilla to South Caicos Island; 4 persons. N1435P 85. 1980, February 11: Beech 58; St. Thomas to unknown; only pilot aboard; reported stolen. N9027Q 86. 1980, May 19: Lear Jet; West Palm Beach to New Orleans; 2. N25NE 87. 1980, June 28; Erco 415-D; Santo Domingo, DR., to San Juan, PR; 2 persons. Pilot reported UFO before disappearing. N3808H 88. 1981, January 6: Beech c35; Bimini to Nassau; 4 persons N5805C 89. 1982, July 5: Piper PA-28R-201T; Nashville to Venice, FL.; 4. N505HP 90. 1982, September 28: Beech H35; Marsh Harbour to Fort Pierce, FL.; 2. N5999 91. 1982, October 20: Piper PA-31; Anguilla to ST. Thomas, VI. 8 persons. Charter Service. N777AA 92. 1982, November 5: Beech 65-B80; Fort Lauderdale to Eleuthera Island, Bahamas; 3 persons. N1HQ 93. 1983, October 4: a Cessna T-210-J; Andros Town, Bahamas to Fort Pierce, FL.; 3 persons. N2284R 94. 1983, November 20: Cessna 340A disappeared near Orangeville, Fl.; pilot. N85JK 95. 1984, March 12: a Piper between Key West and Clearwater, Florida; 4 persons. N39677 96. 1984, March 31: Cessna 402b between Fort Lauderdale and Bimini; 6 persons. N44NC 97. 1984, December 23: Aeronca 7AC between Cross City, Florida and Alabama; pilot. N81947 98. 1985, January 14: a Cessna 337 in Atlantic northeast of Jacksonville; 4 persons. N505CX 99. 1985, May 8: Cessna 210k; Miami to Port-au-Prince, Haiti; pilot. N9465M 100. 1985, July 12: Piper between Nassau and Opa Locka; 4 persons. N8341L 101. 1985, August 3: a Cessna 172; somewhere near Fort Meyers, FL.; pilot. ?? 102. 1985, September 8: a Piper northeast of Key West at 10:08 P.M. en route from Fort Lauderdale; 2 persons. N5488W 103. 1985, October 31: Piper at 8:29 A.M. ; between Sarasota, FL. and Columbus, Georgia; pilot. N24MS 104. 1986, March 26: a Piper en route from Miami to West End or Freeport, GBI.; 6 persons. N3527E 105. 1986, August 3: A Twin Otter charter, around St. Vincent; 13 persons. 106. 1987, May 27: a Cessna 402c; between Palm Beach, FL. and Marsh Harbour, Great Abaco,Bahamas; 1. N2652B 107. 1987, June 3: a Cessna 401; Freeport to Crooked Island; 4 persons. N7896F 108. 1987, December 2: Cessna 152; La Romana to nearby San Juan; pilot. N757EQ 109. 1988, February 7: a Beechcraft over the Caribbean Sea; 4 persons. N844G 110. 1989, February 6: a Piper; after departing Jacksonville, Florida; pilot despondent. 1. N6834J 111. 1990, January 24: Cessna 152 on instructional flight; near West Palm Beach, FL. 2 persons. N4802B 112. 1990, June 5: Piper; St. Maarten to St. Croix; pilot. N7202F 113. 1990, August 10: Piper; between Sebastian, FL. and Freeport, GBI.; 4 persons. N6946D. Body found off Virginia. 114. 1991, April 24: Piper Comanche; off Florida; pilot. N8938P 115. 1991, May 30: near Long Boat Key; Piper signalled directional gyro not working; spun into ocean; 2. N6376P 116. 1991, October 31: Grumman Cougar jet; over Gulf of Mexico; vanished on ascent while on radar; 2. N24WJ 117. 1993, September 30: Within Miami sector; Cessna 152, with only pilot on board. N93261 118. 1994, August 28: Piper PA-32; Treasure Cay, Bahamas to Fort Pierce; 2 persons. N69118 119. 1994, September 19: Piper PA-23; over Caribbean; 5. N6844Y 120. 1994, December 25: Piper PA-28; unknown; over Florida; pilot. N5916V 121. 1996, May 2: Aero Commander; Atlantic/Caribbean; vanished with 3 in charter service. N50GV 122. 1998, August 19: Piper PA-28; Atlantic\Caribbean; 4. N25626 123. 1999. May 12, Aero Commander N6138X; near Nassau only pilot aboard. 124. 2001, October 27, Cessna 172, after leaving Winterhaven, Florida; only pilot aboard. 125. 2002, September 6, Piper Pawnee, southeast of Nassua, Bahamas; only pilot on board. N59684 125... that's a big number and it's only up until 2002. So there's have to be some forces at work, they all couldn't have crashed. could they? I was going to list ships too but, that's just way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soel Posted June 11, 2007 #12 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Did you know that even small electromagnetic fields can interfere with any electric device in a quite important way? In fact, when you place a simple radio next to a boat's navigation system controls, the controls are going to be "in interference" with the radio's electromagnetic waves, which will cause the boat to suddenly radically change direction and/or will cause the loss of control over the boat. Imagine placing something far bigger than a simple radio in the ocean. Of course there will be navigation problems with planes/boats in that area! In my opinion, something lies in the ocean in BT causing the aforementioned events. Edited June 11, 2007 by soel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottie2002 Posted June 11, 2007 #13 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Why do people just think the Bermuda Triangle is a special place? Hundreds of people have been "lost" in there but do you ever think about the people that become lost on normal parts of the ocean? Perhaps the area that the triangle is in is just a very bad area because of current changes and such. The ocean is a very peculiar place to be these days. Global Warming is real and it has probably been screwing with us for a while. I don't refute that compasses will sometimes become erratic in the area of the triangle, but has ANYONE ever gone outside the boundaries of it and tested just outside there? Perhaps it isn't a triangle. Perhaps it is a normal scientific phenomena that hasn't been tested entirely yet. There is absolutely NO evidence suggesting some sort of time warp. All of this is just shannanegins until people actually go to the triangle, do a large study and conclude with fair results. Sure, hundreds of people have been lost in there, and ofcourse people do get lost on other parts of the ocean as well. But relatively speaking, more people get lost in the triangle than in other parts. You can hardly go and blame global warming, since ships have been disappearing in that area when people had just started with discovery journeys (apparantly, even Columbus got in the triangle. For some reason he got out again, though). What I think is the main problem with this triangle, is that there are so many different theories (both supernatural, extraterrestial ánd scientific) out there, that nobody really knows anymore what could be true and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soel Posted June 11, 2007 #14 Share Posted June 11, 2007 has ANYONE ever gone outside the boundaries of it and tested just outside there? Perhaps it isn't a triangle. The triangle is only approximative, of course in reality it's not limited at all to any kind of triangular structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadonis Posted June 11, 2007 #15 Share Posted June 11, 2007 The Triangle is in the ocean. The ocean is very deep. The ocean has currents in it. Water moves, weather changes, hurricanes occur. Whirlpools can even occur. Would you like to know how giant 30 ton ships get moved around into even deeper parts of the unexplored parts of the ocean? Go to the Grand Canyon and see what the Colorado River did with millions of years. Now imagine the ocean in its place with plenty of hurricanes and other regular phenomena going on. Planes going down can be explained by weather whether the skies are clear or not. The Triangle gets an author that can write well a good amount of money. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted June 11, 2007 #16 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I'm sure an author just out for money is not going to choose the BT as the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soel Posted June 11, 2007 #17 Share Posted June 11, 2007 The Triangle is in the ocean. The ocean is very deep. The ocean has currents in it. Water moves, weather changes, hurricanes occur. Whirlpools can even occur. Would you like to know how giant 30 ton ships get moved around into even deeper parts of the unexplored parts of the ocean? Go to the Grand Canyon and see what the Colorado River did with millions of years. Now imagine the ocean in its place with plenty of hurricanes and other regular phenomena going on. Planes going down can be explained by weather whether the skies are clear or not. The Triangle gets an author that can write well a good amount of money. That's all. Certainly. But we are speaking of a particular part of the ocean. Statistics evidently falsify what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadonis Posted June 11, 2007 #18 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Did you ever see the Penn and Teller on statistics? I think it's called Numbers or something. Statistics prove nothing. Kind of like saying "miracles" are far to many to be coincidence. Random chooses a time, place and happening to create an event and that time and place go back into the hat. Perhaps random likes to pick the Bermuda Triangle a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCrimsonx Posted June 16, 2007 #19 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Good find Sweet. Strange stories have come out of that place Here's a list of planes alone that have gone missing. The aircraft below are listed for purposes of assisting in identification. I do not necessarily believe every one is the result of unexplainable mystery. Summary of Missing Planes 1. 1945, December 5: The entire training flight of five Navy TBM Avengers. Plane #s FT-28, FT-36, FT-117, FT-3, FT-81. Crew: 14 2. 1945, December 5: PBM Martin Mariner. Off Banana River, Florida at 28o 59’ NL 80o 25 WL. Crew:13 3. 1947, July 3: a C-54 Douglas en route from Bermuda to Miami in cargo service. Crew: 7. 4. 1948, January 30: BSAAC Tudor IV Airliner Star Tiger near Bermuda, northest. 29 crew and passengers, includ ing Air Marshal Sir Arthur Coningham. GAHNP. 5. 1948, December 28: NC-16002, Douglas DC-3 passenger airliner; south of Miami on approach to the airport (within 50 miles). crew and passengers: 31. 6. 1949, January 17: Tudor IV Star Ariel (sister of Star Tiger) Bermuda for Kingston, Jamaica. Crew and pasengers: 19. GAGRE. 7. 1954, October 30: Super Constellation, in Navy service. Maryland for Lajes, in the Azores. Crew and passengers: 42. 8. 1956, November 9: Martin Marlin amphibious patrol plane, about 350 miles north of Bermuda. Crew: 10. 9. 1961, October 15: an 8 engine SAC B-52 “Pogo 22” north of Bermuda while returning from routine maneuvers. 10. 1962, January 8: Air Force KB-50 Aerial tanker. North Carolina to Lajes, Azores. Crew: 8. 11. 1962, May 27: a C-133 Cargomaster, between Dover and Lajes, Azores. Crew:10. 12. 1963, August 28: 2 KC-135 Stratotanker jets mysteriously disintergrate over the Sargasso Sea, enroute back to Miami from refueling near Bermuda. Crew: 10 total. 13 1963, September 22: another C-133 Cargomaster; Dover for the Azores. Crew: 10. 14. 1964, February 8: Piper Apache between Grand Bahama Island and West Palm Beach, Florida. 4 persons. N2157P 15. 1964, December 5: Cessna 140 with 2 persons; off New Smyrna Beach, Florida. N81089 16. 1965, June 5: a C-119 “Flying Boxcar”; Miami to Grand Turk. Crew: 10. Was within 100 miles of Grand Turk. 17. 1965, September 15: Beechcraft c18s, with 3 persons, near St. Thomas, VI, around 7:26 P.M. N8063H 18. 1965, October 31: Cessna 182 somewhere between Marathon Key and Key West, Florida. 2 persons. N4010D 19. 1965, December 6: Ercoupe F01; between Fort Lauderdale and West End, Grand Bahama. 2 persons. N99660 20. 1965, December 29: a Piper Cherokee; South Caicos for San Juan. 3 persons. N6077P 21. 1966, April 5: a converted cargo B-25; Fort Lauderdale to Aruba. N92877 22. 1966, September 20: Tampa to Baton Rouge; Piper Commanche. 2 persons. (see arguments on shape) N7090P 23. 1967, January 11: Chase YC-122; between Fort Lauderdale and Bimini in the Bahamas. 4 Persons. N122E 24. 1967, January 14: a Beechcraft Bonanza near Key Largo.N7210B 4 persons. 25. 1967, January 17: Piper Cherokee en route St. Thomas from San Juan. N4129P 26. 1967, July 2: near Mayaguez, PR, a Cherokee. 4 persons. N5100W 27. 1967, August 6: between Miami & Bimini; Piper Cherokee. 3 persons. N8165W 28. 1967, October 3: Cherokee; Great Inagua for San Juan. N3775K 29. 1967, November 8: Cessna 182; George Town, Great Exuma and Nassau. 4 persons. N7121E 30. 1967, November 22: Cherokee near Cat Island, Bahamas. 4 persons. N9443J 31. 1968, May 29: Cessna 172 near Grand Turk. 2 persons. N1483F 32. 1968, July 8: between Grand Bahama & West Palm Beach; Cessna 180. 2 persons. N944MH 33. 1969, January 5: Piper Comanche between Pompano Beach, FL & North Carolina. 2 persons. N8653P 34. 1969, February 15: Beechcraft 95-c55 en route Miami from Georgia. N9490S 35. 1969, March 8: big Douglas DC-4 in cargo service; after leaving the Azores. Crew: 3. N3821 36. 1969, March 22: a Beechcraft between Kingston, Jamaica & Nassau. 2 persons. N609R 37. 1969, June 6: Cessna 172 between Grand Turk & Caicos Island. 2 persons. N8040L 38. 1969, June 29: a B-95 Beechcraft Executive; Great Inagua for San Juan. N590T 39. 1969, August 3: Piper PA-22; West Palm Beach to Albion, New Jersey. 2 persons. N8971C 40. 1969, October 11: Pilattus-Brittan-Norman Islander; Great Inagua for Puerto Rico. 2 persons. N852JA 41. 1970, January 17: Piper Comanche; between Nassau & Opa Locka, FL. 2 persons. N9078P 42. 1970, July 3: between Maiquetia, Venesuela & San Juan, PR. Cessna 310G. 6 persons. N1166T 43. 1970, November 23: Piper Comanche between West Palm Beach & Kingston, Jamaica. 3 persons. N9346P 44. 1971, March 20: a Cessna 177b with pilot en route Andros Island from Miami at 3:18 P.M. N30844 45. 1971, July 26: Horizon Hunter Club’s rental; near Barbados. 4 persons. 46. 1971, September 10: Phantom II F-4E Jet; on routine maneuvers 82 miles south of Miami. 2 pilots. 47. 1971, December 21: Cessna 150j with pilot after leaving Pompano Beach; destination unknown. N61155 48. 1972, October 10: Super Constellation between Miami & Santo Domingo. 4 crew. N564E 49. 1973, March 28: Cessna 172 after leaving West Palm Beach, FL, with pilot. N7050T 50. 1973, May 25: a Navion A16 between Freeport and West Palm Beach. 2 persons. N5126K 51. 1973, August 10: Beechcraft Bonanza between Fort Lauderdale & Marsh Harbour, Bahamas. 4 persons. N7956K 52. 1973, August 26: after departing Viaquez, PR; Cessna 150. 3 persons. N50143 53. 1973, December 20: a Lake Amphibian between Nassau and Bimini. (near Bimini). 3 persons. N39385 54. 1974, February 10: pilot and his Cessna 414 vanish after leaving treasure Cay, Bahamas. N8103Q 55. 1974, February 10: that night a Pilattus -Brittan- Norman Islander with pilot and co-pilot disappear at 7:31 P.M. on approach St. Thomas. N864JA 56. 1974, July 13: Piper PA-32 between West Palm Beach & Walker Cay, Bahamas. N83CA 57. 1974, August 11: Beech K35 Bonanza after departing Pompano Beach, FL. for Philadelphia. 2 persons. N632Q 58. 1975, February 25: Piper PA-30; Greensboro, NC. to Freeport, GBI; pilot only. N414DG 59. 1975, May 2: Cessna “Skymaster”; Fort Lauderdale area. N86011 60. 1975, July 28: Cessna 172; vicinity Fort Lauderdale. 1 N8936V 61. 1975, December 9: Cessna 172; St. Croix to St. Kitts. 1; N5182R 62. 1976, June 4: Beech D50; Pahokee, FL., to Dominican Republic; 2. N1157 63. 1976, August 8: Piper PA-28; Vera Cruz, Mexico to Brownsville, TX; 1. (See Q&A Arguments on shape) N6377J 64. 1976, October 24: Beech E-50; Opa Locka, FL. to Grand Turk Island. N5665D 65. 1976, December 28: Piper PA-23; Anguilla to Beef Island; 6. N4573P 66. 1978, February 22: a KA-6 Navy attack bomber vanished from radar 100 miles off Norfolk en route U.S.S. John F. Kennedy; 2. 67. 1978, March 25: Aero Commander 680; Opa Locka- Imokalee, FL. to Freeport, Grand Bahama; 2. N128C 68. 1978, April 27: Ted Smith 601; Pompano Beach to Panama City, FL.; 1. N555BU 69. 1978, April 30: Cessna 172; Dillon, SC., to unknown; 1. N1GH 70. 1978, May 19: Piper PA-28 Fort Pierce to Nassau; 4. N47910 71. 1978, May 26: Beech 65; Port-au-Prince to Bahamas; 2. N809Q 72. 1978, July 18: Piper PA-31; Santa Marta, Col. to Port-au- Prince; 2. N689WW 73. 1978, September 21: Douglas DC-3; Fort Lauderdale to Havana; 4. N407D 74. 1978, November 3: Piper PA-31; St. Croix to St. Thomas; 1. N59912 (right off St. Thomas) 75. 1978, November 20: Piper PA-23; De Funiak Springs to Gainsville, FL.; 4. N54615 76. 1979, January 11: Beech A23A; Opa Locka to St. Thomas; 2. N925RZ 77. 1979, April 2: Beech E18s; Fort Lauderdale to Cat Island, Bahamas; 1. N4442 78. 1979, April 24: Piper PA-28R; Fort Lauderdale to Nassau; 4. N7480J 79. 1979, June 30: Cessna 150J; St. Croix to St. Thomas; 2. N60936 80. 1979, September 9: Cessna 182; New Orleans to Pensacola, Florida. 3 persons. N2183R 81. 1979, October 4: Aero Commander 500; Andros Island to West Palm Beach, FL.; pilot; N3815C 82. 1979, October 27: Piper PA-23; Montego Bay, Jamaico to Nassau; pilot. N13986 83. 1979, November 19: Beech D50b; Delray Beach, FL to to Key West; 1. N1706 84. 1979, December 21: Piper PA-23; Aguadilla to South Caicos Island; 4 persons. N1435P 85. 1980, February 11: Beech 58; St. Thomas to unknown; only pilot aboard; reported stolen. N9027Q 86. 1980, May 19: Lear Jet; West Palm Beach to New Orleans; 2. N25NE 87. 1980, June 28; Erco 415-D; Santo Domingo, DR., to San Juan, PR; 2 persons. Pilot reported UFO before disappearing. N3808H 88. 1981, January 6: Beech c35; Bimini to Nassau; 4 persons N5805C 89. 1982, July 5: Piper PA-28R-201T; Nashville to Venice, FL.; 4. N505HP 90. 1982, September 28: Beech H35; Marsh Harbour to Fort Pierce, FL.; 2. N5999 91. 1982, October 20: Piper PA-31; Anguilla to ST. Thomas, VI. 8 persons. Charter Service. N777AA 92. 1982, November 5: Beech 65-B80; Fort Lauderdale to Eleuthera Island, Bahamas; 3 persons. N1HQ 93. 1983, October 4: a Cessna T-210-J; Andros Town, Bahamas to Fort Pierce, FL.; 3 persons. N2284R 94. 1983, November 20: Cessna 340A disappeared near Orangeville, Fl.; pilot. N85JK 95. 1984, March 12: a Piper between Key West and Clearwater, Florida; 4 persons. N39677 96. 1984, March 31: Cessna 402b between Fort Lauderdale and Bimini; 6 persons. N44NC 97. 1984, December 23: Aeronca 7AC between Cross City, Florida and Alabama; pilot. N81947 98. 1985, January 14: a Cessna 337 in Atlantic northeast of Jacksonville; 4 persons. N505CX 99. 1985, May 8: Cessna 210k; Miami to Port-au-Prince, Haiti; pilot. N9465M 100. 1985, July 12: Piper between Nassau and Opa Locka; 4 persons. N8341L 101. 1985, August 3: a Cessna 172; somewhere near Fort Meyers, FL.; pilot. ?? 102. 1985, September 8: a Piper northeast of Key West at 10:08 P.M. en route from Fort Lauderdale; 2 persons. N5488W 103. 1985, October 31: Piper at 8:29 A.M. ; between Sarasota, FL. and Columbus, Georgia; pilot. N24MS 104. 1986, March 26: a Piper en route from Miami to West End or Freeport, GBI.; 6 persons. N3527E 105. 1986, August 3: A Twin Otter charter, around St. Vincent; 13 persons. 106. 1987, May 27: a Cessna 402c; between Palm Beach, FL. and Marsh Harbour, Great Abaco,Bahamas; 1. N2652B 107. 1987, June 3: a Cessna 401; Freeport to Crooked Island; 4 persons. N7896F 108. 1987, December 2: Cessna 152; La Romana to nearby San Juan; pilot. N757EQ 109. 1988, February 7: a Beechcraft over the Caribbean Sea; 4 persons. N844G 110. 1989, February 6: a Piper; after departing Jacksonville, Florida; pilot despondent. 1. N6834J 111. 1990, January 24: Cessna 152 on instructional flight; near West Palm Beach, FL. 2 persons. N4802B 112. 1990, June 5: Piper; St. Maarten to St. Croix; pilot. N7202F 113. 1990, August 10: Piper; between Sebastian, FL. and Freeport, GBI.; 4 persons. N6946D. Body found off Virginia. 114. 1991, April 24: Piper Comanche; off Florida; pilot. N8938P 115. 1991, May 30: near Long Boat Key; Piper signalled directional gyro not working; spun into ocean; 2. N6376P 116. 1991, October 31: Grumman Cougar jet; over Gulf of Mexico; vanished on ascent while on radar; 2. N24WJ 117. 1993, September 30: Within Miami sector; Cessna 152, with only pilot on board. N93261 118. 1994, August 28: Piper PA-32; Treasure Cay, Bahamas to Fort Pierce; 2 persons. N69118 119. 1994, September 19: Piper PA-23; over Caribbean; 5. N6844Y 120. 1994, December 25: Piper PA-28; unknown; over Florida; pilot. N5916V 121. 1996, May 2: Aero Commander; Atlantic/Caribbean; vanished with 3 in charter service. N50GV 122. 1998, August 19: Piper PA-28; Atlantic\Caribbean; 4. N25626 123. 1999. May 12, Aero Commander N6138X; near Nassau only pilot aboard. 124. 2001, October 27, Cessna 172, after leaving Winterhaven, Florida; only pilot aboard. 125. 2002, September 6, Piper Pawnee, southeast of Nassua, Bahamas; only pilot on board. N59684 125... that's a big number and it's only up until 2002. So there's have to be some forces at work, they all couldn't have crashed. could they? I was going to list ships too but, that's just way too much. OMG. Thats totally full on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreateslayer Posted June 16, 2007 #20 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Could that place be the famed garden of eden? or Atlantis? Maybe we just need to put a tower up there. It could also be a VERY strong pirate hangout, with jammers preventing electrical signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamSlayer Posted June 16, 2007 #21 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I remember reading somewhere that some scientists believed that there was some strange magnetic field/gravity belt thingamajig that made them crash. I don't know much on the subject so unfortunately I can't elaborate, but that is what I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handofire Posted June 16, 2007 #22 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I watched the history channel a few nights ago, had this documentary on the theory that earth has it's own black hole in the bermuda triangle, and directly across from it on the other side of the world, is a theorized white hole, and both are connected through a wormhole in the earth, pretty damn interesting stuff to think about there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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