Moon Monkey Posted June 11, 2007 #1 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Shocking. How could a dad kill his little girl ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm Tehran, Lahore, Jakarta, Kabul, Sudan maybe...but London ? This comes on the back of a pregnant 17 yr old killed by her ( arranged marriage) husband close to my home. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770 Thats two elements of multicultural Britain they can take away, arranged marriages and honour killings There are believed to have been over 100 such killings in the last decade in the UK usually fathers or brothers killing daughters/sisters they claim are becoming too westernised ( err you're in the west) or may have fallen in love with a non-muslim boy (horror of horrors). Edited June 11, 2007 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Flower Posted June 11, 2007 #2 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Shocking. How could a dad kill his little girl ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm Tehran, Lahore, Jakarta, Kabul, Sudan maybe...but London ? This comes one the back of a pregnant 17 yr old killed by her ( arranged marriage) husband close to my home. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770 Thats two elements of multicultural Britain they can take away, arranged marriages and honour killings There are believed to have been over 100 such killings in the last decade in the UK usually fathers or brothers killing daughters/sisters they claim are becoming too westernised ( err you're in the west) or may have fallen in love with a non-muslim boy (horror of horrors). If they don't want their families to become too "Westernised", why the hell do they come to a Western country in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted June 11, 2007 #3 Share Posted June 11, 2007 to make the most common name "Mohammad" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 11, 2007 Author #4 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) If they don't want their families to become too "Westernised", why the hell do they come to a Western country in the first place? Abso-fackin-lutely the million dollar question ! Edited June 11, 2007 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Boggle Posted June 11, 2007 #5 Share Posted June 11, 2007 yes its a problem, i guess this is an extreme example of families disproving of their daughters, dating outside their race! its quite common for mixed race dating to tear families apart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted June 11, 2007 #6 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Whoop-de-doo. The vast majorities of all murders are comitted by a family member or someone close to the victom. 100 of these "honour killings" in UK during the past year? There were 16 thousand murders in the US in 2005. You don't think out of 16,000 there were at least 100 were a father killed his daughter because she was a ****? Or a husband killed his wife because she cheated on him? The only reason these aren't "honor killings" is because they haven't been packaged as "christian" by the media and given a snappy title. When a muslim kills a family member its an "honor killing". When a fat white guy beats his kid to death in Alabama, its just a darn shame. Edited June 11, 2007 by el midgetron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 11, 2007 #7 Share Posted June 11, 2007 When a muslim kills a family member its an "honor killing". When a fat white guy beats his kid to death in Alabama, its just a darn shame. No, it's for the reasoning of the killing. Not the killing it's self. There are plenty of muslim killings each year that have nothing to do with honor killing, I bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 11, 2007 #8 Share Posted June 11, 2007 [Whoop-de-doo. How dare you say 'whoop-de-doo'.....I've have seen the news coverage on this disgraceful murder on the TV tonight. We are not focussing on all the other murders in the world right now....but THIS ONE. Days before this young woman was murdered, she was 'made' to drink a bottle of spirits...when drunk, her 'father' put on rubber gloves...she was so terrified that he was about to murder her, but she managed to run away. She had to smash a neighbours window....to try and summon help. She was badly cut and bleeding. She eventually got some help in a cafe. She recorded her fears on her boyfriends mobile phone....she was escaping a BAD arranged marriage...she feared for her life. Her wicked father and wicked uncle hired 5 men to kill her. ............................................................. All murder is wrong, but this calculated Alpha Male...I own the women in my life...and if they don't obey me....they die....is something else. .......................................................... I don't know what we're going to do about all this.....murdering women into submission CANNOT be tolerated. I am sickened by this murder.....it is a disgrace that this young woman should murdered in this way, for these reasons, in Britain 2007. I'm so angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious George Posted June 11, 2007 #9 Share Posted June 11, 2007 How dare you say 'whoop-de-doo' I dared him to... actually I double-dogged dared him too. I'm sure it was awful but I fail to see the reasoning behind passionately caring about one murder that was shown on TV when these things happen all the time. Hey I'm not saying you shouldnt care but just because TV creates an emotional attachment to this particular case for you doesnt mean everyone has to watch what they say. Me I say go find the guys and kill them, would make me feel better I guess... I bet a few dozen people died somewhere in the world in the time it took me to type this post... and frankly I couldnt care less... unless I had an emotional attachment to them of course. But ya you can get angry at me too for saying this, dont bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt_Ripley Posted June 11, 2007 #10 Share Posted June 11, 2007 If they don't want their families to become too "Westernised", why the hell do they come to a Western country in the first place? I agree. you have to know that your customs are contrary to western law so why come to the west in the first place ? I must say however that in the past even though honor killings were more prevalent you didn't hear about them in the media. we had a few happen here in Michigan when I was a kid. One American Caucasian woman married a muslim and when she cheated he cut her head off , left her body on the front law, and sent the head to his relatives in Jordan I believe it was. ( this was over 20 years ago.) they hate the condition of their own country yet instead of fix it leave for a western country that doesn't work by their customs. it makes no sense. we have our own crack pots to deal with - crazed postal workers ! lol (not to forget our own christian religious terrorism here either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt_Ripley Posted June 11, 2007 #11 Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) No, it's for the reasoning of the killing. Not the killing it's self. There are plenty of muslim killings each year that have nothing to do with honor killing, I bet. there is no good reason for killing , be it so called honor or christians killing abortionists. one is as bad as the other. killing is killing. calculated Alpha Male...I own the women in my life...and if they don't obey me....they die....is something else. I think you've hit the nail on the head. the alpha male thinking. in most society men still think they are worth more. wrongly. they still get paid more for the same job here . I've seen how spoiled brit men are (not all) where the girls are hardened . it's disgusting. and it's this behavior and thinking that breeds violence and ignorance.( of course not all are spoiled and girls can be. but wow ! mothers coddle thier british boys to the point of warping them. Let them get off thier asses and get the chili sauce himself ! ) really . unbelieveable. the thinking about sex for example ---- a woman who has alot of sex is thought a whore - lowly. but if it's a man it's ok. Prostutues are considered low -- but what about the men that keep the business going ? the reason it was started in the first place is some poor woman some where needed something and some moron came along and said ' 2 sheckles for some head' so to speak. Need , poverty , drug additcion , mental illness , leads to terrible places. but who truely started it ? men who thought they could exploit the situation. and still do. Edited June 11, 2007 by Lt_Ripley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious George Posted June 11, 2007 #12 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Is it agreed that Muslims coming to the West and bringing their laws and morality is just as retarded as the West trying to bring Western law and morality to Muslims? Cause both sides are doing it, I say leave them to their dark ages there and kick the p*** out of any here that try this kind of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Serenity Posted June 11, 2007 #13 Share Posted June 11, 2007 How dare you say 'whoop-de-doo'.....I've have seen the news coverage on this disgraceful murder on the TV tonight. We are not focussing on all the other murders in the world right now....but THIS ONE. Days before this young woman was murdered, she was 'made' to drink a bottle of spirits...when drunk, her 'father' put on rubber gloves...she was so terrified that he was about to murder her, but she managed to run away. She had to smash a neighbours window....to try and summon help. She was badly cut and bleeding. She eventually got some help in a cafe. She recorded her fears on her boyfriends mobile phone....she was escaping a BAD arranged marriage...she feared for her life. Her wicked father and wicked uncle hired 5 men to kill her. ............................................................. All murder is wrong, but this calculated Alpha Male...I own the women in my life...and if they don't obey me....they die....is something else. .......................................................... I don't know what we're going to do about all this.....murdering women into submission CANNOT be tolerated. I am sickened by this murder.....it is a disgrace that this young woman should murdered in this way, for these reasons, in Britain 2007. I'm so angry. I agree. I'm sorry about it myself. I don't show much emotion towards it. But I feel really bad for the person & their families involved. I hope the people get life in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted June 11, 2007 #14 Share Posted June 11, 2007 No, it's for the reasoning of the killing. Not the killing it's self. There are plenty of muslim killings each year that have nothing to do with honor killing, I bet. So she was killed for falling in love with the wrong person. Is that any different than when a husband kills his wife for falling in love with someone else? Is it somehow worse than a woman killing her children because she no longer wants them? Its the same social sickness all around. If you wish to split hairs over whos murders are less justifiable be my guest. How dare you say 'whoop-de-doo'.....I've have seen the news coverage on this disgraceful murder on the TV tonight. We are not focussing on all the other murders in the world right now....but THIS ONE. Maybe you should focus on all the other murders in the world right now. This womans death is certianly traggic. However, its no more traggic than the Texas couple who stranged then decapitated their three young children. If you wish to turn a blind eye to and "not focus" on the fact that children in the US are more likely to be killed by their parnets than anyone, else go ahead. Honor killings are disgusting but they are no less disgusting than any of the parent on child murders that take place in christian society. If you wish to only focus on what the news tells you, then you probably think paris hilton is more important than the war in Iraq. So go ahead and be revolted by the crazy muslims but turn a blind eye to the child who is being drowned in a bathtub by people who pray to the same god as you. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7...r_children.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMare Posted June 12, 2007 #15 Share Posted June 12, 2007 It's barbaric & tragic, no doubt about it. But what angers me too is the fact that the girl tried in vain to get police protection and was not taken seriously. I've just studied some websites of ex-muslims. They're having an extremely hard time, and many who live in the UK complained that, when being assaulted, harrassed and threatened by members of their community, they felt absolutely let down by police and authorities. If you're that big on anti-terrorism and anti-Islamist radicalism, you'd think this would be one of the main points to invest in. I'd appreciate it if the UK government would start showing some spine and consequence in their policies. On one hand they pour oil into the fire by engaging in an unjustified & illegal war in Iraq, on the other hand they keep convincing us that there is no problem in the UK within the Muslim community, or between the Muslim community and the UK population, and everything is just hunky-dory. On one hand, they try to get ever more stringent laws through that further alienate the Muslim community and threaten civil liberties as a whole, on the other hand they treat extremist preachers with kid gloves and fail to protect threatened ex-muslims. It's just dishonest, if you ask me, another sacrifice on the altar of "spin"...and is sure to backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 12, 2007 #16 Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) there is no good reason for killing , be it so called honor or christians killing abortionists. one is as bad as the other. killing is killing. Yeah, it is. I never said otherwise. I was simply talking about the term usage. So she was killed for falling in love with the wrong person. Is that any different than when a husband kills his wife for falling in love with someone else? Is it somehow worse than a woman killing her children because she no longer wants them? Its the same social sickness all around. If you wish to split hairs over whos murders are less justifiable be my guest. I never said one was worse or better then the other. I was simply talking about the usage of the terms You were trying to make it sound like that every time a muslim kills a family member who is female the people jump straight to "honor killing" when that simply isn't the case. Edited June 12, 2007 by __Kratos__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted June 12, 2007 Author #17 Share Posted June 12, 2007 It's barbaric & tragic, no doubt about it. But what angers me too is the fact that the girl tried in vain to get police protection and was not taken seriously. I've just studied some websites of ex-muslims. They're having an extremely hard time, and many who live in the UK complained that, when being assaulted, harrassed and threatened by members of their community, they felt absolutely let down by police and authorities. If you're that big on anti-terrorism and anti-Islamist radicalism, you'd think this would be one of the main points to invest in. I'd appreciate it if the UK government would start showing some spine and consequence in their policies. On one hand they pour oil into the fire by engaging in an unjustified & illegal war in Iraq, on the other hand they keep convincing us that there is no problem in the UK within the Muslim community, or between the Muslim community and the UK population, and everything is just hunky-dory. On one hand, they try to get ever more stringent laws through that further alienate the Muslim community and threaten civil liberties as a whole, on the other hand they treat extremist preachers with kid gloves and fail to protect threatened ex-muslims. It's just dishonest, if you ask me, another sacrifice on the altar of "spin"...and is sure to backfire. Spot on. The politically correct ones wouldn't do anything to offend the muslim community on our streets at the expense of British 'fair play' and 'justice for all' but then go and inflame the entire muslim world. Nonsensical. The male members of the extended family and community were believed by the police as they couldn't risk inflaming them by 'sticking their noses into muslim business'. At times its almost as if the police are allowing the muslim community to police themselves and do things 'their way'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 12, 2007 #18 Share Posted June 12, 2007 [but what angers me too is the fact that the girl tried in vain to get police protection and was not taken seriously. I've just studied some websites of ex-muslims. They're having an extremely hard time, and many who live in the UK complained that, when being assaulted, harrassed and threatened by members of their community, they felt absolutely let down by police and authorities. I agree. This is coming up more and more in public discussion...hopefully more is going to be done about it. on the other hand they keep convincing us that there is no problem in the UK within the Muslim community, or between the Muslim community and the UK population, and everything is just hunky-dory. Everything is NOT hunky-dory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnnjsn Posted June 12, 2007 #19 Share Posted June 12, 2007 How dare you say 'whoop-de-doo'.....I've have seen the news coverage on this disgraceful murder on the TV tonight. We are not focussing on all the other murders in the world right now....but THIS ONE. Days before this young woman was murdered, she was 'made' to drink a bottle of spirits...when drunk, her 'father' put on rubber gloves...she was so terrified that he was about to murder her, but she managed to run away. She had to smash a neighbours window....to try and summon help. She was badly cut and bleeding. She eventually got some help in a cafe. She recorded her fears on her boyfriends mobile phone....she was escaping a BAD arranged marriage...she feared for her life. Her wicked father and wicked uncle hired 5 men to kill her. ............................................................. All murder is wrong, but this calculated Alpha Male...I own the women in my life...and if they don't obey me....they die....is something else. .......................................................... I don't know what we're going to do about all this.....murdering women into submission CANNOT be tolerated. I am sickened by this murder.....it is a disgrace that this young woman should murdered in this way, for these reasons, in Britain 2007. I'm so angry. It gets me angry as well inmy mind women are precious regardless of there character defects. It definately boils my blood when a fragile piece of beauty is removed from existence. :angry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted June 12, 2007 #20 Share Posted June 12, 2007 That is terrible and regrettable and probably something I will never understand. This killing in the name of “God” But, lets not forget all the killing that happens everyday and by other “cultures” Fathers that kill daughters because they got pregnant too soon (who’s the fault here?) Brothers that kill sisters, guys killing girlfriends, this happens every day but we just find horrific when a Muslim committed it. Why? Some days ago, I think June 7, I read the following on the news paper: Three little kids, 7, 8 and 10 years old was playing with his friends on the playground near his house. They were playing football and suddenly, one of the kids kick the ball a bit hard. This ball fell into a house near the playground. A 45 years old guy, out of his mind because the ball smashed a flower in the window, pursued one of the kids and spanked the boy to death. It was the younger kid, just 7 years old. Do you know what was his excuse to the police? “That flower, I won at the church, God gave it to me.” BTW, the kid’s murderer was catholic, not Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Serenity Posted June 12, 2007 #21 Share Posted June 12, 2007 That is terrible and regrettable and probably something I will never understand. This killing in the name of “God” But, lets not forget all the killing that happens everyday and by other “cultures” Fathers that kill daughters because they got pregnant too soon (who’s the fault here?) Brothers that kill sisters, guys killing girlfriends, this happens every day but we just find horrific when a Muslim committed it. Why? Some days ago, I think June 7, I read the following on the news paper: Three little kids, 7, 8 and 10 years old was playing with his friends on the playground near his house. They were playing football and suddenly, one of the kids kick the ball a bit hard. This ball fell into a house near the playground. A 45 years old guy, out of his mind because the ball smashed a flower in the window, pursued one of the kids and spanked the boy to death. It was the younger kid, just 7 years old. Do you know what was his excuse to the police? “That flower, I won at the church, God gave it to me.” BTW, the kid’s murderer was catholic, not Muslim. Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Boggle Posted June 12, 2007 #22 Share Posted June 12, 2007 its natural to feel angry when ones precious daughter dates outside her race, this very thing happened with my granddaughter last year! She began dating this west indian chap, needless to say this caused outrage in the family! My son was inconsolable, and my wife Mrs Scrummage, was disgusted! It was only my daugter inlaw who was philosophical about it, saying she's old enough to know what shes doing etc...although adding that it was probably a faze! I found the the experience pulled us togeather as a family, I took control of matters by visiting the west indian chaps parents, who were equally angry by the whole union by our kids! Unified we decided to shun our kids from family gatherings, aimed light hearted diplomatic insults to bring this unsavory union to a conclusive end! ultimately no damage done! the Union was broke up by a dignified effort by both families, with honour! no blood shed! just some tears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted June 12, 2007 #23 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Now the liberals want the police to intervene! well, it's too late, thanks to 'human right' lawyers.. the British Police are nothing more than political correct controlled bum boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted June 12, 2007 #24 Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Prostutues are considered low -- but what about the men that keep the business going ? the reason it was started in the first place is some poor woman some where needed something and some moron came along and said ' 2 sheckles for some head' so to speak. Need , poverty , drug additcion , mental illness , leads to terrible places. but who truely started it ? men who thought they could exploit the situation. Oh yeah women are the poor innocent victims. Prostitution was started by women exploiting men! Men just like sex...no big deal... a woman came along and thought ...mmmh He wants it so therefore I can charge him for this. As every man knows...in some way or another..all Men end up paying for it in the end! Edited June 12, 2007 by billyhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted June 12, 2007 #25 Share Posted June 12, 2007 its natural to feel angry when ones precious daughter dates outside her race, this very thing happened with my granddaughter last year! She began dating this west indian chap, needless to say this caused outrage in the family! My son was inconsolable, and my wife Mrs Scrummage, was disgusted! It was only my daugter inlaw who was philosophical about it, saying she's old enough to know what shes doing etc...although adding that it was probably a faze! I found the the experience pulled us togeather as a family, I took control of matters by visiting the west indian chaps parents, who were equally angry by the whole union by our kids! Unified we decided to shun our kids from family gatherings, aimed light hearted diplomatic insults to bring this unsavory union to a conclusive end! ultimately no damage done! the Union was broke up by a dignified effort by both families, with honour! no blood shed! just some tears Oh boy... What planet this chap Indian came from? I will warn my family to take care... Sigh, are just the same thing, no matter how hard we try to be different, in the end we will be the same... Geez. Geez... but true and sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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