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No I don't, please, continue.

I do not wish to get into a line by line discussion of “A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint”. I will just try to explain my overarching view of why I find the study, or any other existing paper claiming absolute impossibility of controlled demolition, to not be credible (which I should have done in the first place).

We can put aside how the collapses looked, accounts of explosions and what damage may or may not have actually been caused within the towers for this. Let us assume that the towers were brought down from airliners and fire causing damage to structural columns X, Y & Z. Ask yourself, would it be impossible for the same effects to be achieved through demolition charges destroying those exact same columns? The answer is obviously “no”; if airliners/fires could destroy the required columns to cause a collapse then it certainly is possible that demolition charges placed on those columns could have too.

So then, by any report claiming the towers could be brought down as they were by airliners/fires only and never by controlled demolition, it is suggesting to me that the study is extremely blinkered and had a preconceived conclusion from the start.

Finally, some may claim that none of the above applies based on assertions that demolition charges could not be placed in the towers undetected. I would say that demolition expert/engineer studies are not best placed to suppose what is possible through covert operations. The theory I put forward below seems plausible to me: -

Who would question a 'security guard' patrolling service areas of the WTC or a 'maintenance team' working in the elevator shafts of the WTC? What if (due to an insider) they all carried the correct security passes? What if furthermore this was during the weekend or night when the towers were more sparsely populated? What if the demolition charges were transported straight to the car park/delivery areas beneath the WTC towers and taken immediately through the elevator shafts to where they were needed?

Would normal people going about their daily lives stop to question them? Would you challenge maintenance men with official passes working in the elevator shafts carrying out, as far as you are concerned, legitimate work? Would you challenge uniformed security guards moving say, plain boxes around the building? Assuming you did ask what they were doing and they say “we are carrying out maintenance,” now what will you do? Tell security? Security will tell you “ah yes we have a maintenance team booked into the building.” Being honest though, not you or anyone else would question them in the first place.

Please do let this distract you from answering questions to the thread subject of Barry Jennings experience of an explosion within WTC7. What caused the explosion in WTC7 before towers 1&2 had collapsed?

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They know they can fool simple people, so why does it matter when they demolished the building. Patriotic American people don't want to believe it was an inside job period. Some American people need a good optometrist to fix there tunnel vision.

Meaning, most Ameriocans are easy to fool except folks like you who believe someone who cried wolf, but you never saw any wolf, not even a foot print.

And now you claim, you are the group that are not easy to fool? :wacko:

Patriotic Americans thinks, you Folks just are bitter, angry and have a purpose and so you cling on to the slightest rumor.

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We can put aside how the collapses looked, accounts of explosions and what damage may or may not have actually been caused within the towers for this. Let us assume that the towers were brought down from airliners and fire causing damage to structural columns X, Y & Z. Ask yourself, would it be impossible for the same effects to be achieved through demolition charges destroying those exact same columns? The answer is obviously “no”; if airliners/fires could destroy the required columns to cause a collapse then it certainly is possible that demolition charges placed on those columns could have too.

I disagree. Explosives and detcord are flamible materials, it would be impossible to keep them intact in the collision and subsequent fires in order to use them 1-2 hours later.

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I think that everything that can be said about this silly conspiracy theory has been said.

That usually happens on these threads, but watch, someone will come along with something 'new' not before long.

And while real structural engineers, metallurgists, and avionics experts just blow them off as ignorant fools they still truly belive in their heart that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

We have read some of the million other threads on this subject. The stuff they are giving here, SHOCKER, is the same junk. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists in the United States.

Controlled demolition!!!!!??

No planes?!

Perhaps someone should tell that to Stanley Praimnath who was on the 81st floor of WTC 2.

"What I see is a big plane coming towards me. This plane is coming, eye level towards me. Eye contact. I'm seeing a big gray plane, with a red stripe.

The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway. "

Sorry but Ill listen to the people that were there and actually saw the events occuring with their own eyes over someone whos entire claim is "Everyone else is lying to you." If a plane didnt hit the Pentagon explain how the wreakage got there, this was not a small amount either, it was quite a pile and included passanger luggage as well as pieces of fuselage, seats, glass from windows, the data flight recorders for Flight 77 and engine parts.

How come all the passangers and the crews remains (except for one small girl) were recovered from the Pentagon, or are you going to claim all the rescue services were in on it too?

How many people do you claim are in on this?

Lets see so far as I can tell, all the survivors, all of those in Manhatten who saw the planes that morning. All of those in Washington DC that saw them.

The check in staff at Logon and Boston who saw and identified the Hijackers (including one girl who commited suicide because of what she considered her part in not stopping them.) Every firefighter, ambulance worker and police officer who attended the three scene, including those that were killed. Every Structural Engineer, half the CT crowd, nearly everyone on boards that actually know what they are talking about.

So whats that? At least a 100,000 people? (probably more.) How exactly do you shut up that many people? You can't pay them all $10 million, that'd be $10 Trillion. The US GDP is only $11 Trillion. So how do you keep them from spilling the beans? How do you stop them taking the money and spilling the beans? By threatening to kill them? If so, whats to stop the same killers coming after you?

Even the conspiracy lovers would have to think -anyone who believes this needs to seek the nearest mental health professional.

Conspiracists in general, and 9/11 conspiracists in particular, will not criticize any claim, no matter how blatantly at odds with reality or with the the other conspiracy stories, as long as it "supports" the overall existence of the conspiracy.

Rather than believe what evidence of all stripes seems to demonstrate beyond a doubt, they create a world of soundstages and cover-ups, whistleblowers and—GASP!!—murder.

No matter that each of their “anomalies” are explained using simple, easily verifiable evidence. Its simply more comforting to believe that either their evidence is better, or those disproving their claims are in on the conspiracy.

Thus, the elaborate explanation of a simple event occupies their part of their minds that would otherwise be flooded with INSECURITIES ABOUT EVERYDAY LIFE.....

Part of the allure of conspiracism seems to be the excitement of believing something that few other people believe. It´s a way of saying, "I´m different."

We can go beyond that and speculate that they think their beliefs are not only different but also better.

But simply the difference is enough to worry about here.

After all, what good is being different if no one notices?

What needs to be done regarding the various credulous hypotheses,and crack pot ideas that are all too common here, is to apply a good solid dose of critical reasoning.

If an argument is based on nothing more than assumptions and blatantly lacks any factual corroboration, it's just a bunch of anecdotal observations from people saying it's true because they "say so", then its just not credible.

Also, study science, real science.

This will really help when it comes time to look at someones argument and be able to know if what they are saying actually "holds water", or is just a belief based on nothing remotely valid or scientifically confirmed.

This is because they are interested in lashing out at the perceived power structure, That moron Bush, not in discovering any kind of objective truth.

In the end, the moonhoax believers are just annoying but the Hollocaust and 911 hoax/conspiracy believers are dangerous and the most despicable of them all.

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I think that everything that can be said about this silly conspiracy theory has been said.

your just a shill who denies eyewitness testimony and spins the truth by injecting known propaganda that has been pointed out to be faalse to you many times-- barry jennings testimony is not going to go away so easy shill you better get a new strategy

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your just a shill who denies eyewitness testimony and spins the truth by injecting known propaganda that has been pointed out to be faalse to you many times-- barry jennings testimony is not going to go away so easy shill you better get a new strategy

Shill, Nazi, Gov sheep, CIA puppet, bla bla bla...

You call me anything you like Sun...We have been over this before, and I think that if you believe in more than 2-3 of these silly conspiracy theories youre in serious need of help!

Here is a checklist intended to diagnose the insanity before you, OR ANYONE ELSE, get borderline.

1.Cranks vastly overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and vastly underestimate that of acknowledged experts.

2.Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.

Cranks rarely if ever acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.

3.Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be very, very bad listeners, and often appear to be utterly uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions.

Seems familiar?

Most Woo Woos exhibit a lack of academic achievement, in which case they typically assert that academic training in the subject of their crank belief is not only unnecessary for discovering "the truth", but actively harmful because they believe it "poisons" the minds by teaching falsehoods.

OK, HERE WE GO!

Top 10 Wackiest Conspiracy Theories.

How many do you, the crank as I call you, believe in?

http://www.2spare.com/item_43133.aspx

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barry jennings testimony is not going to go away so easy shill you better get a new strategy

are you going to comment on the topic?

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I do not wish to get into a line by line discussion of “A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint”. I will just try to explain my overarching view of why I find the study, or any other existing paper claiming absolute impossibility of controlled demolition, to not be credible (which I should have done in the first place).

Ok.

We can put aside how the collapses looked, accounts of explosions and what damage may or may not have actually been caused within the towers for this. Let us assume that the towers were brought down from airliners and fire causing damage to structural columns X, Y & Z. Ask yourself, would it be impossible for the same effects to be achieved through demolition charges destroying those exact same columns? The answer is obviously “no”; if airliners/fires could destroy the required columns to cause a collapse then it certainly is possible that demolition charges placed on those columns could have too.

Yes it could.

So then, by any report claiming the towers could be brought down as they were by airliners/fires only and never by controlled demolition, it is suggesting to me that the study is extremely blinkered and had a preconceived conclusion from the start.

Umm, no not really. There are a few things that CD charges would have done and how they would have reacted that are missing. CD charges have a distinct sound that is both heard and felt. A boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, etc... that was not present on 9/11. Also there is

the lack of flashes from such CD charges. Then there is how the charges got there in the first place. Etc....

Finally, some may claim that none of the above applies based on assertions that demolition charges could not be placed in the towers undetected. I would say that demolition expert/engineer studies are not best placed to suppose what is possible through covert operations. The theory I put forward below seems plausible to me: -

Who would question a 'security guard' patrolling service areas of the WTC or a 'maintenance team' working in the elevator shafts of the WTC? What if (due to an insider) they all carried the correct security passes? What if furthermore this was during the weekend or night when the towers were more sparsely populated? What if the demolition charges were transported straight to the car park/delivery areas beneath the WTC towers and taken immediately through the elevator shafts to where they were needed?

Would normal people going about their daily lives stop to question them? Would you challenge maintenance men with official passes working in the elevator shafts carrying out, as far as you are concerned, legitimate work? Would you challenge uniformed security guards moving say, plain boxes around the building? Assuming you did ask what they were doing and they say “we are carrying out maintenance,” now what will you do? Tell security? Security will tell you “ah yes we have a maintenance team booked into the building.” Being honest though, not you or anyone else would question them in the first place.

You say it's plausible yet you ignore that they placed "charges" that made no sound like a CD, did not flash like a CD, and were not harmed by airliners crashing into the building.

Please do let this distract you from answering questions to the thread subject of Barry Jennings experience of an explosion within WTC7. What caused the explosion in WTC7 before towers 1&2 had collapsed?
Is it not plausible that Jennings is mistaken? If not, why?
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Meaning, most Ameriocans are easy to fool except folks like you who believe someone who cried wolf, but you never saw any wolf, not even a foot print.

And now you claim, you are the group that are not easy to fool? :wacko:

Patriotic Americans thinks, you Folks just are bitter, angry and have a purpose and so you cling on to the slightest rumor.

Im not going off someone crying wolf,im going off what i see with my own eyes, WT7 was imploded not destroyed by fire. A buildings structure is made of steel and concrete. No amount of fire can make a building collapse, you don't have to be Einstien to work out simple physics. American people are clinging, hoping that there government aint corrupt. Im not American or Middle Eastern so I look at this matter with no bias. Maybe alot of American people need to go back to school and take a few classes in Physics. People see it happen right in front of there eyes and still cannot seem to believe what they see, just because majority of fellow Americans dont want to believe it either.

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Im not going off someone crying wolf,im going off what i see with my own eyes, WT7 was imploded not destroyed by fire. A buildings structure is made of steel and concrete. No amount of fire can make a building collapse, you don't have to be Einstien to work out simple physics. American people are clinging, hoping that there government aint corrupt. Im not American or Middle Eastern so I look at this matter with no bias. Maybe alot of American people need to go back to school and take a few classes in Physics. People see it happen right in front of there eyes and still cannot seem to believe what they see, just because majority of fellow Americans dont want to believe it either.

What you saw was also seen by Millions and that includes me. Does it look like a controlled demolition? Yes, THAT CERTAIN SHOT OR ANGLE OF IT.

Other than that, you really have no proof or anything that indicates it. Barry Jennings? What he heard could be anything. In a controlled demolition, you don't hear one explosion, bombs goes of in sequence for the building to collapse properly. And you are talking about lots of loud explosion, And only Barry Jennings heard it?

Titanic was suppose to be unsinkable, and an Iceberg took it down, and it's not even a direct hit.

Even if all Americans take Physics class, you still have no bomb traces, or evidence on the claim on the bomb. What do you do? Put people in jail because you think that was the case?

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I disagree. Explosives and detcord are flamible materials, it would be impossible to keep them intact in the collision and subsequent fires in order to use them 1-2 hours later.

How about if the people conducting an inside job planned for the above, were slightly more creative and thought beyond the conventional means of controlled demolition? I can think of two ways around the above (I am sure the people in charge could think of alot more than I can): -

1. They know approximately on which floors the airliners will impact the towers so they simply place the explosives a slight distance (maybe 3-4 floors?) below the impact level. This would work as we know fire was not widespread below the impact level due to

. The explosives could perhaps have even been enclosed/protected in units to ensure further that fire did not detonate them. I believe that cutting the main central supports of the towers slightly below the fire area would still bring the top of the buildings down and look as though the collapses initiated from the impact level.

2. Tertiary explosives, also called blasting agents, are so insensitive to shock that they cannot be reliably detonated by practical quantities of primary explosive. That is to say - cannot be detonated by airliner impacts/fire. Then, rather than using a conventional detonator which could be set off by impact/fire, a chemical or electrical detonator is used?

Umm, no not really. There are a few things that CD charges would have done and how they would have reacted that are missing. CD charges have a distinct sound that is both heard and felt. A boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, etc... that was not present on 9/11. Also there is the lack of flashes from such CD charges. Then there is how the charges got there in the first place. Etc....

With the charges likely placed in the enclosed elevator shafts in the centre of the towers, with all that was going on and the building collapsing at the same time, would it be surprising that any boom, boom, booms (as you put it :P ) were drowned out? Would it be surprising that flashes were not visible considering it was daylight? Also, if something like thermite were used which does not explode but burns, this would mean that only the relatively small detonation charges would be going off. This could explain why there are alot of eyewitness reports of explosions from people within the buildings but not from people any distance away.

Is it not plausible that Jennings is mistaken? If not, why?

It is possible... but if so, that is one big mistake he made. Can you explain - mistaken on what exactly?

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With the charges likely placed in the enclosed elevator shafts in the centre of the towers, with all that was going on and the building collapsing at the same time, would it be surprising that any boom, boom, booms (as you put it :P ) were drowned out? Would it be surprising that flashes were not visible considering it was daylight? Also, if something like thermite were used which does not explode but burns, this would mean that only the relatively small detonation charges would be going off. This could explain why there are alot of eyewitness reports of explosions from people within the buildings but not from people any distance away.

Controlled demolition is placing the bombs or explosive on the right spot, like the main support or beams of the structure to be able to bring it down. NOT where no one can see or hear it. :rolleyes:

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9/11 is one of the most controversial and emotional topics on the forum. Conspiracy theories, in general, have a tendency to degenerate into flaming and flamebaiting. It's for that reason that we have pinned forum guidelines at the top of each post within this section.

Please keep your posts calm, considered and within these guidelines.

Thanks in advance.

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no one can see or hear it????? what are you smoking bro? every quote below emboldened can be viewed by clicking the link in the title of the quote-- not only were the eye witnesses documented but some of what they experieced-- here is the south tower collpase and at exactly 1 second thru second 7 you can clearly hear about 12-13 pops and at the end of the clip is a huge bomb that audibly terrorfies everyone running for their lives

south tower collapse with audible explosions-google

CREDIBLE SOURCES SUCH AS NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Firefighters, law enforcement officers, and other extremely credible witnesses have also discredited the Administration's version of why the world trade center buildings collapsed on 9/11:

Reporter for USA Today stated that the FBI believed that bombs in the buildings brought the buildings down

NY Fire Department Chief of Safety stated there were "bombs" and "secondary devices", which caused the explosions in the buildings (video); or high-quality audio here

NYC firefighters who witnessed attacks stated that it looked like there were bombs in the buildings

NYC firefighter stated "On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building"

NYC firefighter stated there was a "bomb in the building ... start clearing out"

Dying heroes, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers

MSNBC reporter stated that police had found a suspicious device "and they fear it could be something that might lead to another explosion" and the police officials believe "that one of the explosions at the world trade center . . . may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some kind of explosive device in it, so their fear is that there may have been explosive devices planted either in the building or in the adjacent area"

NYC firefighter stated "the south tower . . . exploded . . . At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges . . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade" (pages 6 & 7)

Assistant Fire Commissioner stated “I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building [not up where the fire was]. You know like when they . . . blow up a building ... ?" -- and a lieutenant firefighter the Commissioner spoke with independently verified the flashes (see possible explanation below)(when, as here, there are no page numbers in the original firefighter transcript, you can locate the text using the "find" function in your web browser)

A firefighter said “[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”

Another firefighter stated "it almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight" (page 4; original is .pdf; Google's webpage version is here)

Paramedic said "at first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear pop pop pop pop pop -- thats exactly what because thought it was" (page 9)

Police officer noted "People were saying, 'There’s another one and another one.' I heard reports of secondary bomb explosions . . ." (page 61, which is page 3 of a hand-written memorandum)

Firefighter stated "there was an explosion in the south tower, which . . . just blew out in flames . . . One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93" (referring to 1993 bombing of world trade center; pages 3 & 4)

A firefighter stated "it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building . . . Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."

Officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said about the south tower: t sounded like bombs going off. That's when the explosions happened. . . . I knew something was going to happen. . . . It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion.” Then, discussing her experiences during the collapse of the north tower, she said: “[There was] another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs. . . . I can't tell you how many times I got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me. . . . There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto the street.” (pages 65-66, 68)

Dan Rather said that collapse was "reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen [when]a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down" (CNN's Aaron Brown and a Fox News reporter also made similar comments)

British newspaper stated "some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just before the structure crumbled. Police said that it looked almost like a 'planned implosion' "

One ABC reporter stated it looked like a controlled demolition; another ABC reporter stated "anyone who has ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows that if you're going to do this you have to get at the under-infrastructure of the building to bring it down"

A reporter for WNYC radio said "The reporters were trying to figure out what had happened. We were thinking bombs had brought the buildings down"(page 203 of Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind The Breaking News of 9/11)

A Wall Street Journal reporter said "I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, "My God, they’re going to bring the building down." And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES . . . . I saw the explosions" (page 87)

A facilities manager in the north tower "was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons"

Indeed, Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, said in a PBS documentary that Building 7 was "pulled" on September 11th. "Pulling" is a construction industry term for "intentionally demolishing", as shown in this PBS interview discussing the demolition of world trade center building 6 many weeks after 9/11.

Moreover, there is evidence that substantial explosions occurred well BELOW the area impacted by the planes, and -- according to some witnesses -- they occurred BEFORE the plane had hit:

Prior to Plane Hit

9/11 hero, who was the last person out of the north tower, said that there was a massive explosion in the North Tower BEFORE the plane hit (see also this interview and also this interview)

Assistant Chief Engineer at the World Trade Center arrived on the 38th floor of the North Tower before the plane hit, got out of the elevator, and about 50 feet down the hallway, he heard a loud explosion and was lifted into the air. "I can't even tell you how far I traveled," he recalled. When he landed, people were already coming out of their offices into the hallway . . .Upon reaching the 43rd floor, "there were patches of ceiling that was just down on the floor, water pipes were broken, water was gushing like a brook or river that was just running down the corridor of the machine room."

Maintenance worker who worked in the basement of north tower witnessed an explosion in the basement at around the same time the plane hit far above

Two other eyewitnesses working in the Twin Towers witnesssed explosions in the basement at about the same time the plane hit

(See also this article arguing that seismic evidence corrorborates the eyewitness testimony).

Other Testimony of Explosions Below the Impace Zone

Stationary engineer who worked in world trade center one described tremendous damage in the basement of the building more consistent in nature and timing with a bomb than with damage from jet fuel: "'There was nothing there but rubble . . . We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press—gone!'. . . They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up 'like a piece of aluminum foil.' Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in 1993, [he] was convinced that a bomb had gone off."

NYC firefighter stated “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”

Firefighter said "this, huge incredible force of wind and debris actually came UP the stairs, knocked my helmet off, knocked me to the ground" Similarly, employee of an insurance company in south tower heard an explosion from BELOW the impact of the airplane, an "exploding sound" shook the building, a tornado of hot air, smoke and ceiling tiles and bits of drywall came flying UP the stairwell, and the wall split from the bottom UP

Firefighter stated "my lieutenant said he looked down at the first floor, and he could see the first floor of the south tower like exploding out" (page 5; Google's web version is here)

Firefighter said "I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake . . . It appeared somewhere below [the area where the plane had hit]. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane" (pages 3 & 4)

A fire department batallion chief stated "it actually looked -- the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see (redacted) I could see two sides of it and the other side, it just looked like that floor blew out" (what was in the redacted portion?)

CBS News reporter stated "All of a sudden I heard a roar and I saw one of the towers blow ... I saw from street level as though it exploded up, a giant rolling ball of flame...". (same reporter stated "I hear simultaneously this roar and see what appears to be a gigantic fireball rising up at ground level . . . I remember seeing this giant ball of fire come out of the earth as I heard this roar" (pages 119 & 239))

An eyewitness reported a large explosion at ground level right before the collapse of the North Tower

Police Officer described events which occurred inside Tower One after the second plane hit and well before that tower collapsed: "We went back up to the sixth floor . . . . Then there was an eerie silence and it was like you knew something was going to happen. There just seemed to be one explosion after another. I was separated from the guys from the bridge . . . by another explosion, massive again, sucking the air out of your lungs and then just a wind more intense this time with larger pieces of debris flying." (pages 94 & 95, which is page 2 & 3 of a hand-written memorandum)

BBC reporter stated "Then, an hour later, we had that big explosion, from much much lower [well below the plane impact]. I don't know what on earth caused that".

Firefighter describes elevators "blown off the hinges" which only went to lower floors (page 7)(Note: this statement about the elevators still needs to be verified)

A janitor witnessed explosions in the sub-basement A carpenter witnessed explosions in the sub-basement A Port Authority Police Department officer, who was intimately familiar with the World Trade Center from his years of police duties patrolling there, described how the hallway began to shudder as a "terrible deafening roar" swept over him, then a giant fireball exploded in the street seconds before the south tower collapsed

Firefighters discovered that the lobby of one of the twin towers suffered explosive damage with blown-out windows

Firefighter stated "the Maydays started coming in to vacate the north tower . . . we started going down. At that point, we proceeded down . . . Made it down to the lobby. There were about maybe 30 firefighters that were with us. Made it to the lobby, and the lobby was like a war zone. All the windows were blown out, and the command post wasn't there. We made it to the corner of West and Vesey when the building came down." (pages 5 & 6) A WTC survivor said "We get to the 8th floor. Big Explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor." Another survivor experienced an explosion in the mezzanine of the tower Another survivor experienced an explosion in the lobby World trade center employee stated "the bottom of our building was blown out"

Paramedic "heard ground level explosions" (page 29)

Detective for the Port Authority reported, long before the collapse of the tower, "When we reached the 15th floor, the building began to vibrate and shake. I heard loud explosions and rumblings in the background. The stairwell shifted and gave out a large metal on metal groan. The stairwell then twisted back into place with another loud groan. The lights went out. At that point the stairwell became filled with smoke and dust." (pages 58 & 59, which is page 2 & 3 of a memo from the Office of Inspector General)

A police report states World Trade Center "Police Desk reporting an explosion on the lower level" 8 minutes after plane crash (page 17, which is page 2 of the Chronological Report of the WTC Radio Transmissions on 9/11/01)

Construction worker discusses explosions in the sub-basement of tower 1; same worker talks about explosions in the basements of tower 2

See also witness statements here

How could the fire damage from airplanes or their jet fuel have caused such extensive explosions over so many floors over such a long timeframe below the airplane impacts? Do you remember that most of the fuel spilled outside of the towers in those dramatic fireballs, and the rest supposedly lit the paper, rugs and other office contents of the twin towers on fire?

Given these facts, how could fires or jet fuel have caused the events described above by credible eyewitnesses?

In addition, there are many eyewitness accounts of phenomena consistent with the use of explosives in the world trade center buildings:

Paramedic captain stated "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode the popping sound and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building" (pdf file; Google's web version is here). Compare this authenticated tape of a controlled demolition by a leading demolition company -- can you see the orange and red flashes on the near side of the building? How about at the base of this building, the Kingdome? Both of these tapes are posted at the "World Records" section of Controlled Demolition, Inc.'s website)

Police officer stated "you would hear a loud boom go off at the top of tower one. As the building continued to burn and emergency equipment kept on responding stirring up the dust and debris in the streets. After approximately 15 minutes suddenly there was another loud boom at the upper floors, then there was a series of smaller explosions which appeared to go completely around the building at the upper floors. And another loud earth-shattering blast with a large fire ball which blew out more debris and at that point everyone began to run north on West Broad Street." (page 5, which is page 2 of a hand-written memorandum)(what caused loud explosions many minutes apart, a series of smaller explosions going "completely around the building", and a "large fire ball"?)

Chief of NY Fire Department (Citywide Tour Commander) said "there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse" (page 4) (why was material shooting out from all four side before the collapse?)

Police officer stated "we kept hearing explosions that would shake the whole room"

Police sergeant said "Within a short period of time (approximately ¾ of an hour) one of the buildings to the World Trade Center collapsed. During this time period there were numerous explosions, causing us to leave and re-enter the incident area" (page 88, which is page 1 of a memorandum)

Fire department batallion chief said "You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors popout. It looked almost like an explosion" (pages 7 & 8)

Firefighter stated "the collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there" (page 17)(what caused the "smoke explosion on a tremendous scale" before the collapse?)

Fire chief from a nearby town heard a "high-pitched noise and a popping noise" right before the collapse of the South Tower

MSNBC reporter stated "I heard a second explosion ... And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last". The same reporter stated that the force of the explosion overturned cars and set them on fire

Paramedic said “Shortly before the first tower came down, I remember feeling the ground shaking. I heard a terrible noise, and then debris just started flying everywhere. People started running" (pages 5 & 6) (why was there ground shaking before the collapse?)

Same paramedic stated "by the time the debris settled from the first collapse we started to walk back east towards west street and few minutes later – really don’t remember the time frames because we were so busy in trying to account for who was in the staging area and who wasn’t we basically had the same thing the ground shook again and we heard another terrible noise and the next think we knew the second tower was coming down and again we were running for our lives . . . . ." (pages 6 & 7)(why did the ground shake before the start of the "terrible noise" of the collapse?)

Reporter mentioned explosion and the fact that "the whole building bellied out" (why did the building "belly out", as opposed to falling over?)

CNN producer stated "every few minutes you'll hear like a small sort of a rumbling sound, almost like an explosion sound and another chunk of it will come flying down into the street"; same producer stated "there was just a huge ... [explosion? word apparently erased from original CNN video] and enormous pieces of debris just falling - one right after the other" (what caused the "rumbling sounds" and the chunks flying down every couple of minutes)

Highly-reputable astrophysicist wrote in an email that, immediately before the collapse of each of the twin towers, he heard explosions and low-frequency rumbles (he also uses the phrase "demolition-style implosion")

A witness said that, right before the collapse of one of the towers, "It sounded as if you had a hundred . . . firecrackers and you lit them all off at once . . . it sounded like the finale of the 4th of July over the East River" (15:21 into the video)(what caused this sound like a hundred firecrackers?)

Unknown witness interviewed on television stating "it sounded like gunfire . . . . bang bang bang bang bang . . . and then three big explosions"

Further testimony from firefighters can be found here and from other witnesses here.

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1. They know approximately on which floors the airliners will impact the towers so they simply place the explosives a slight distance (maybe 3-4 floors?) below the impact level.

You're flying towards a building at 500 kt and you can count the floors? Ditto with a lot of smoke from an adjacent burning building?

I find this strains my credulity.

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no one can see or hear it????? what are you smoking bro? every quote below emboldened can be viewed by clicking the link in the title of the quote-- not only were the eye witnesses documented but some of what they experieced-- here is the south tower collpase and at exactly 1 second thru second 7 you can clearly hear about 12-13 pops and at the end of the clip is a huge bomb that audibly terrorfies everyone running for their lives

south tower collapse with audible explosions-google

You hearing the collapse of each floor as the building pancakes. I mean that was easy to figure out.

You have a long list of witness, firemen, reporter, police. One thing missing that is important with your witnesses are their names.

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You hearing the collapse of each floor as the building pancakes. I mean that was easy to figure out.

You have a long list of witness, firemen, reporter, police. One thing missing that is important with your witnesses are their names.

taken from the source of the google video-- you obviously didnt even check the link concerning the witneses

This footage was shown by the BBC in a programme ‘9/11:The Twin Towers’, broadcast in the UK on 7 September 2006. The sound of the ... all » demolition charges used to bring down the WTC South Tower can clearly be heard. The sound has not been enhanced in any way and accords precisely with the eye witness testimony on 9/11, including that of the FDNY fire-fighters. The building had 114 floors, but took only 10 seconds to collapse. Fourteen of the explosions can be heard in a period of 5 seconds, so the blasts cannot have been generated by collapsing floors (the so-called ‘pancake’ effect), or the collapse of the entire building would have required more than 40 seconds!
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taken from the source of the google video-- you obviously didnt even check the link concerning the witneses

OK, you have witnesses. Then you go to the families of the 3,000 dead victims and ask them to file murder charges on whoever for you have witnesses, well?

And might as well show them your bombs exploding.

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You're flying towards a building at 500 kt and you can count the floors? Ditto with a lot of smoke from an adjacent burning building?

I find this strains my credulity.

There are many precision-guided systems available today, ie laser, GPS, remote-control. Here is a video of guided missiles accurate enough to hit the door of a building and

is another showing how accurately a tank can be hit using remote.

Knowing the above, is it difficult to believe they could have targetted the airliners at precise points in the towers?

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There are many precision-guided systems available today, ie laser, GPS, remote-control. Here is a video of guided missiles accurate enough to hit the door of a building and
is another showing how accurately a tank can be hit using remote.

Knowing the above, is it difficult to believe they could have targetted the airliners at precise points in the towers?

Floors hit can be calculated, you go in at set elevation like 500 feet. BUT there is no way to determine how many floors the plane will take with it upon impact.

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Anyone who actually believes the US government slaughtered 3000 of it's own people need therapy in the worst kind of way.

Get a life fruitcakes.

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Anyone who actually believes the US government slaughtered 3000 of it's own people need therapy in the worst kind of way.

Get a life fruitcakes.

I like the way you think.

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Floors hit can be calculated, you go in at set elevation like 500 feet. BUT there is no way to determine how many floors the plane will take with it upon impact.

Yes perhaps simply flying at a set altitude is an even better way of hitting the towers where required than my suggestion.

Although damage caused by the impact could not be predicted exactly, I believe that due to having knowledge of the building construction and from comments made like this one from the WTC construction manager, they would have a fair idea of what would happen. That is to say they would know which floors would take the brunt of the impact and know that the damage would be localised to the impact area.

Anyone who actually believes the US government slaughtered 3000 of it's own people need therapy in the worst kind of way.

Get a life fruitcakes.

Firstly, myself and the thousands of other intelligent people who question 9/11 are not fruitcakes. Secondly, after looking into all the evidence which makes people question (I am sure you must have checked it all before commenting), can you give a reason (other than "because I don't believe they would") why 9/11 as an false flag attack was impossible?

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whys it so strange to assume a government can kill 3000 of its own people? for centuries they have been doing it for the most stupid reasons. and not thousands but millions upon millions have died.

heres a list of motives .1)money 2)money 3) money and just in case that aint good enough theres always control, fear,oil, propaganda, and of course theres money!!

if you trust the government then your very lucky cos ignorance is bliss. and those people are all PROFESSIONAL LIARS.

all of em are university educated and youd think that would help them understand a bit more about whats right from wrong...no no no they are greedy spiteful and evil people who only care about the money they can make.

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