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From: [b]World Mysteries[/b]

by Rich Anders

All over the world dating back to a distant past structures can be found that used huge stones as building materials.

The great pyramid of Giza in Egypt incorporates 2.3 million stones of 2.5 tons each. Inside the pyramid stones weigh up to 50 tons and the stones of the casing, most of them removed for construction projects in Cairo, weigh up to 15 tons.

The Egyptians erected obelisks weighing up to 400 tons.

The Trilithon at Balbeek, Lebanon, consists of 3 stone slabs weighing an estimated 1000 tons each. Another slab estimated to weigh 1200 tons was left in the quarry.

At Stonehenge, England, a mysterious site consists of circular rows of stones weighing up to 40 tons each. The stones come from quarries as far away as 40 and 230 kilometers.

At Tihuanaco, Peru, there are stone slabs weighing up to an estimated 400 tons.

Nan Madol in the South Seas was constructed with basalt slabs weighing up to 50 tons. The site is spread over an area of 13 acres. Neither the island of Temuen, where Nan Madol is situated, nor neighboring islands could support a human population large enough to accomplish such an astonishing feat of engineering.

These are just a few examples of megalithic sites showing a technology, which is different and sometimes superior to present construction methods.

The Romans were the undisputed champions of engineering projects in ancient times. They left no evidence whatsoever that they used this technology. Occasionally, they built own structures like temples on top of existing megalithic foundations like the temple of Jupiter at Balbeek, which was built with typical Roman methods on top of the stone slabs estimated to weigh around 1000 tons each. Similarly, in Peru huge stones were used as foundations for later structures that were erected using smaller stones. Cuzco and Sacsahuaman provide many examples of this method.

The above paragraph establishes that the use of megaliths in construction pre-dates more recent ancient civilizations. Many of the megalithic sites remain an enigma as to their use to this day. These witnesses of times long gone by don't talk to us. Attempts to construct similar or like structures mostly failed miserably even using tools of present technology. Therefore, at some point of time there was a cut off date and afterwards megalithic construction methods could not be used anywhere in the world.

Probably best researched of the ancient sites is Stonehenge in England. The site started as early as 2900 BC as a wooden construction and underwent repeated modifications. By 2550 a radical change to building with megaliths took place. The site evolved further and underwent major design changes. About 1600 BC all that stopped. Afterwards, there were no changes in the structure. This continued use and the evolution of Stonehenge is a clear indication that this was a place of great significance and importance to people who possessed very advanced knowledge in astronomy. They also knew how to bring heavy stones from far away and how to shape them according to their changing needs.

Another site though very different that indicates that a specific situation ended at a certain time is Acambaro in Mexico. In the 1940s Waldemar Julsrud, a German businessman/archaeologist, who previously had made important finds, discovered tens of thousands of figurines made of clay and stone, which to this day present a major problem for orthodox thinking. Many of the figurines show dinosaurs anatomically correct and a good number of them show humans and dinosaurs interacting. Carbon dating of three figurines established 4550 BC as the earliest date. Another date was 1600 BC and the third date was 1100 BC.

The Acambaro case is backed by another controversial find at Ica in the Peruvian Andes. Tenth of thousands of etched stones show dinosaurs anatomically correct and some of them are interacting with humans. The Ica stones also show complicated medical procedures like organ transplants. Some of these stones show that the ones performing this type of surgery took precautions to avoid rejection of the transplants.

Another set of stones shows people and spacecrafts. The discoverer of the stones, Dr. Cabrera, found humans remains together with plants as they existed in the Mesozoic. Furthermore, there are stones showing people looking at a comet through something that one can clearly recognize as a telescope. - None of all that can be found today. There are no people among the native population performing complicated surgery. There are no dinosaurs and there is no trace of Mesozoic plants.

Most puzzling of the finds at Ica are several stones with etchings of this planet's surface. The continents can be recognized but their locations are shown as they were 13 million years ago. Even more puzzling are two large landmasses to the left and right of the American double continent. These don't have any counterparts in the present world. Their locations correspond to reports from ancient times that in the Atlantic there was a continent or a very large islands called Atlantis and in the Pacific there was a continent called Lemuria or Mu.

5 centers of civilization - Egypt, Sumeria, the Indus Valley Civilization, Japan, and Peru, practically simultaneously appeared all over the planet approximately 5500 years ago. From that time on religious systems were implemented. Gods and deities controlled the lives and destinies of humans. We know from many accounts in Sumeria and Greece, for instance, that there was all kind of interaction between gods and humans. The Greek gods freely mixed with humans and unions between the two species produced children who were called demigods. - All that ended abruptly.

Around 1500 BC a major cataclysm struck this planet. The island of Thera exploded n the biggest volcanic eruption of the last ten thousand years. This event devastated the entire Mediterranean. The ensuing flood is called Deukalion's flood because he and his wife were the only gods to survive the disaster. Deukalion and his wife were born from unions between gods and humans and this probably was the reason that they survived.

If we discard the 1100 BC dating of one Acambaro sample as a dating error or the work of an artist who continued a local tradition we have the cut-off date we have been looking for. From approximately 1500 BC no more megalithic structures were built. This date also tells us that the ones who used the megalithic building methods were not humans but gods, a race of humanoids that had invaded this planet approximately 5500 years ago and vanished approximately 3500 years ago.

Ancient text from Lebanon report that the god Uranos was able to move heavy stones as they can are found in the Trilithon of Balbeek as if they had a life of their own. Of the huna, the little people of Hawaii with wondrous powers, it is reported that they had flying crafts and they could float heavy stones underneath these crafts without any visible connection. An Egyptian construction crew consisted of a deity carried by four men on a litter and a second litter with a huge round disk. Additionally, there were a number of humans and a baboon keeping watch over the humans.

Remarkably, most of the images and sculptures of gods and deities show they are wearing many different kinds of headdresses. One very popular design has a round disk in the middle. Others headdresses seemingly have antennas or look like elongated hats.

Many years ago a Slovac research team investigating psychic powers found out about mind enhancing devices. These enabled the psychically gifted test persons to perform much better in telekinesis or levitation. Though modest in scope these tests showed very clearly that the possibility to move things with the powers of mind does indeed exist.

The finds at Ica and Acambaro irrefutably show that this planet must be home to two totally different worlds. In our world there are no dinosaurs and no gods or deities. In the world shown on the stones of Ica and by the figurines of Acambaro there are gods, dinosaurs and humans co-existing. This parallel world that came to an end approximately 3500 years ago obviously experienced a totally different evolution.

Mesozoic plants, dinosaurs and gods are proof that this parallel world is so different from ours that we simply have no clue what else there could be. We only can assume that in this world also the capabilities of the mind can be very different from the ones in this world. In our world some unusually gifted people are able to demonstrate with modest success that telekinesis and levitation exist. In the parallel world the powers of the mind could be tremendous.

Nowhere in ancient pictures or sculptures we can see heavy construction equipment similar to what we use. What we do see just about everywhere are these headdresses suggestive of mind enhancing devices. Therefore, the conclusion is obvious: these gods and deities of the former parallel world used the powers of their minds to telekinetically levitate the heavy stones. If there were humans involved in the processed they were just helpers who had to make sure that the stones fit exactly in the right spot.

There are people who can bend spoons and move little objects over a tabletop with the power of their mind. This is a very far cry from moving stones weighing up to a 1000 tons with mind power. Aside from the possibility that the parallel world permits evolution, which differs radically from our world, a method must be employed that allows a different, more efficient approach to moving heave objects with mind power.

Our cranes lift heavy loads of material. But the lifting is not only done with matter. The movement of the lifting takes place in the energy phase of matter. This needs an explanation. - Matter oscillates between the stages of matter and energy. Movement takes place in the energy phase and is expressed in the ensuing matter phase as the new oscillation shows a slightly different location where the materialization takes place. These continuous matter oscillations express the movement experienced in the energy phase. They also create time as the successive matter oscillations express the passing of time. - This is similar to a movie where the appearance of one frame after another conveys the impression of movement and the progress of time.

Our cranes address the problem of lifting in the matter phase. Even though movement

takes place in the energy phase the weight of the material to be lifted is felt. But matter has a different type of energy attached to it: the energy behind matter, which is different from the energy that is the energy phase of matter. This energy is known to science as the quantum vacuum. Other names like ether are used, too. But this energy is better known as the spiritual energy.

In the realm of the quantum vacuum there is no time and no space. Without space there is no weight. Therefore, to move heavy objects with the power of mind one has to address weight lifting in the energy of the quantum vacuum that corresponds to the load to be lifted.

Space travel over distances of millions of light years cannot be done in the normal time/space continuum. To get somewhere in space one has to go through the quantum vacuum where there is no time and no space. This is the only way to efficiently travel through space. The fact that the gods invaded this planet 5500 years ago shows they knew how to deal with the quantum vacuum. Presumably, it is much easier to utilize the energies of the quantum vacuum for lifting weights than to travel through space.

Conclusion: the gods knew how to address the energies behind matter to move heavy loads. They made these loads weightless by telekinesis and floated them through the through the air by means of levitation. "They made the stones look as if they had a life of their own". Neither transporting these super heavy stones over sometimes great distances nor putting them in place was much of a problem for the ones who knew how to make them weightless.

Another mystery to be solved is the smooth surface and the perfect fit of the megaliths. - People who have a good enough command of the quantum vacuum to master space travel surely know how to use energy for cutting stones. Science fiction movies show radiation weapons that cut opponents apart or make them disappear. Cutting stones this way is not much different.

Radiation weapons or cutters emit energy, which undoes the energy contained in the atoms it hits. In other words: take away the electromagnetic charge of an atom and it collapses. Direct a beam of energy that neutralizes the electromagnetic charge of the atoms it hits and matter will turn to dust.

The perfectly shaped blocks used in the construction of the pyramids of the Giza Plateau indicate that they were processed in the quarry and then transported to the construction site. At Cuzco and other Andean places stones of different shapes were cut and smoothed on location to a perfect fit. Thus, the megaliths probably were less of a problem to handle and use than contemporary materials.

Having established who was erecting the megaliths and how it was done the big question remains: "what for"? Many of these structures seemingly have no practical value.

The key to this mystery is the pattern of behavior of the gods. Most of all temples were important to them. This clearly indicates that the foremost consideration for them were energies, the spiritual energies channeled to them through religious practices and rituals. Consequently, one has to assume that other megalithic structures served same or similar purposes: to connect to the energies of the quantum vacuum, the spiritual energies, and achieve something to ones own advantage.

The most significant megalithic structures are the pyramids of the Giza Plateau. Their sheer weight and the incorporated data eclipse any other structure on Earth. Interestingly, they do not stand on their own. They are arranged in the same pattern as the stars of Orion's Belt. The other pyramids in Egypt are arranged in the same pattern as the stars in the star cluster of Orion. Beyond that there are many megalithic structures throughout England and Europe. Arranging these megaliths on a chart and bending the chart results in a replica of the heavens above.

The Pyramid of the Sun, of the Moon and a third, smaller one in Teotihuacan, Mexico, are arranged in the same pattern as the three pyramids of Giza. The Pyramid of the Sun has the same basic measurements as its counterpart in Egypt but its angle of ascent is shallower. Therefore, it weighs a lot less than the great pyramid of Giza. However, there are other pyramids of the sun and of the moon throughout Mexico and Yucatan. Together, they probably form a spiritual unit, which was meant throw the weight of the sun and the moon into the spiritual equation of the gods of the Americas.

Incorporating the heavens into one's own equations of spiritual significance makes it clear that the sheer weight of the structures representing one's spiritual claim makes all the difference. The more mass is backing one's claim the greater is it's spiritual force. Therefore, the gods built superheavy structures to gain spiritual superiority over rival gods. Megaliths were in with the gods. Once they were gone megalithic building methods were out.

So whats your guys thoughts on that?

When it comes to the largest enourmous blocks im not sure, but i think a large part of the mystery was solved in the thread "Ancient stone construction mystery solved?"

Anyway what do you think about it? Even today its impossible to move some of the stones of those sizes without blowing them apart and moving piece by piece. How do you think they managed move 10 meter long many tons stones in one perfect piece often miles and putting them on top of eachother building monumenys?

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I saw the video with the guy replacating Stone Henge type structure, what I thin kwould be very difficult even for him is puttin the top piece over the two verticle slabs like so:

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As far as the other great stones in Baalbek and Giza and other sites those are really strange, I dont say impossible but very difficult and costly for primitive cultures with primitive tools. The Romans the ancient worlds Superpower had superb enginering potential , large economic resources, and large work force yet they never were able or tried to build on the scale of ancient Egyptians as we had discussed in my tread about Pyramid construction cost. So it is an interesting topic.

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So whats your guys thoughts on that?

When it comes to the largest enourmous blocks im not sure, but i think a large part of the mystery was solved in the thread "Ancient stone construction mystery solved?"

Anyway what do you think about it? Even today its impossible to move some of the stones of those sizes without blowing them apart and moving piece by piece. How do you think they managed move 10 meter long many tons stones in one perfect piece often miles and putting them on top of eachother building monumenys?

What puzzles me is why? why would those ancient builders want to cut and carve such gigantic stones when it would have been far easier to cut and carve stones of a ton or so in weight and would have made no difference to the integrity of the structure.

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What puzzles me is why? why would those ancient builders want to cut and carve such gigantic stones when it would have been far easier to cut and carve stones of a ton or so in weight and would have made no difference to the integrity of the structure.

Not to be flip about it... because they could. If stone working was their building material of choice and could stand the test of time, what better way of showing your prowess and skill with the material than using the largest possible. I mean we're mostly still scratching our heads on how they did it. Don't you think the builders of it would just laugh at our ignorance of something that they could do but we can't figure out how to do. And a lot of people arrogantly say they were primitive and when they say that they mean inferior! LOL!

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Mabon.

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Not to be flip about it... because they could. If stone working was their building material of choice and could stand the test of time, what better way of showing your prowess and skill with the material than using the largest possible. I mean we're mostly still scratching our heads on how they did it. Don't you think the builders of it would just laugh at our ignorance of something that they could do but we can't figure out how to do. And a lot of people arrogantly say they were primitive and when they say that they mean inferior! LOL!

Regards,

Mabon.

I have to admit that this topic is one I have had a great interest in for many years. I have visited Tuahuanaco and Baalbek and have seen these stones for myself. Its only when you see them in real life that the mystery hits you. I still have difficulty accepting that human beings cut carved and moved those monstrous stones at Baalbek and if you ever get the chance to inspect Inca stonework you will probably, like me, question how on earth those massive stones could be cut so accurately as to fit like a perfect jigsaw puzzle....and so needlessly. Why did the Inca go to such trouble to shape a stone with different angles of cut to fit the one below and above it? when they could so easily have squared off the blocks and fitted them in a conventional pattern?

Its also a great shame that the remaining 1,200 (est) tonne block at Baalbek is being cut up by the locals.

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The point that everybody seems to be missing is that these boulders were not moved within a day. It is estimated that it took over a generation to complete Stonehenge... just as an example. And it is also know that people came from far away lands to help build these things. Among the remains of builders of Stonehenge there were several skeletons whose "owners" could be traced as far as Switzerland.

Experimental archeology has shown that it is perfectly possible to move a ton-heavy rock without special tools and metallic implements... as long as those who try to move them are willing to invest a lot of time in it.

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The point that everybody seems to be missing is that these boulders were not moved within a day. It is estimated that it took over a generation to complete Stonehenge... just as an example. And it is also know that people came from far away lands to help build these things. Among the remains of builders of Stonehenge there were several skeletons whose "owners" could be traced as far as Switzerland.

Experimental archeology has shown that it is perfectly possible to move a ton-heavy rock without special tools and metallic implements... as long as those who try to move them are willing to invest a lot of time in it.

The problem with stonehenge is that some of the stones could only have come from the welsh mountains some 100 miles away and those stones weigh many tons and would have not only been dragged 100 miles but also over a wide river -2 miles across.

One explanation is that these particular stones had been carried from the welsh mountains by glacial action and deposited on the salisbury plain near their present site. I find it impossible to imagine those ancient builders dragging those 40 ton stones 100 miles and over a wide river. The glacial deposit theory is the only logical one.

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The problem with stonehenge is that some of the stones could only have come from the welsh mountains some 100 miles away and those stones weigh many tons and would have not only been dragged 100 miles but also over a wide river -2 miles across.

One explanation is that these particular stones had been carried from the welsh mountains by glacial action and deposited on the salisbury plain near their present site. I find it impossible to imagine those ancient builders dragging those 40 ton stones 100 miles and over a wide river. The glacial deposit theory is the only logical one.

That is what has always been said about the pyramid construction.... But the contrary has been shown. There was an interesting experiment that required the construction of 1:1000 scale of one of Gizah's with 10 people using only bronze age implements. The job was done in less than a week after the stones were placed in Gizah. Including the transport it would have been less than 6 weeks. Some TV channel showed the movie (can't remember if it was National Geographic or PBS or BBC).

It also showed that it was not as difficult as imagined to move a heavy boulder as long as it was downhill or on plains.

We have to see that all the people really had who build Stonehenge was time. So what if it took them a week to move a rock one mile? They worked on that thing for more than a generation. And a river is more of an aid than a hindererance when it comes to move heavy loads. A cubic meter of wood can easily carry several hundred pounds. And that would be the equivalent of a medium tree.

Our problem is that we see these things with our understanding of time, where time is money. They only saw the goal çause they had no money

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I have to admit that this topic is one I have had a great interest in for many years. I have visited Tuahuanaco and Baalbek and have seen these stones for myself. Its only when you see them in real life that the mystery hits you. I still have difficulty accepting that human beings cut carved and moved those monstrous stones at Baalbek and if you ever get the chance to inspect Inca stonework you will probably, like me, question how on earth those massive stones could be cut so accurately as to fit like a perfect jigsaw puzzle....and so needlessly. Why did the Inca go to such trouble to shape a stone with different angles of cut to fit the one below and above it? when they could so easily have squared off the blocks and fitted them in a conventional pattern?

Its also a great shame that the remaining 1,200 (est) tonne block at Baalbek is being cut up by the locals.

Me too! I wonder about the construction and the effort of the great stone work. But then I wonder that not only did they have to have special significance for the builders for them to go to such effort. It may have been so important that people willingly made the effort to work together that we modern humans don't. But aside from the normal day to day concerns, eating, clothing and their family they didn't have a bunch of other stuff stealing their time.

That is heart breaking that they are cutting up the stones at Baalbek. When we were in Turkey, you could see that part of the stone work that made up people's houses were remnants of Roman columns. It was very strange and sad too.

Regards,

Mabon.

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That is what has always been said about the pyramid construction.... But the contrary has been shown. There was an interesting experiment that required the construction of 1:1000 scale of one of Gizah's with 10 people using only bronze age implements. The job was done in less than a week after the stones were placed in Gizah. Including the transport it would have been less than 6 weeks. Some TV channel showed the movie (can't remember if it was National Geographic or PBS or BBC).

It also showed that it was not as difficult as imagined to move a heavy boulder as long as it was downhill or on plains.

We have to see that all the people really had who build Stonehenge was time. So what if it took them a week to move a rock one mile? They worked on that thing for more than a generation. And a river is more of an aid than a hindererance when it comes to move heavy loads. A cubic meter of wood can easily carry several hundred pounds. And that would be the equivalent of a medium tree.

Our problem is that we see these things with our understanding of time, where time is money. They only saw the goal çause they had no money

I actually saw that film which proved beyond any doubt whatsoever that Limestone can be easily cut and shaped with Copper tools and that the blocks could be easily moved and placed in position with remarkably few workmen. Of course a mystery remains about how the larger blocks of hard granite and quartzites were cut and shifted and its beginning to appear that the Egyptians developed techniques that were later used by the Romans when they moved Egyptian obelisks to Rome. Its incredible that we, with all our technology and genius, still cannot figure out the techniques these ancient people used. The Romans once built a bridge over a 500 yard wide section of the River Rhine in ten days that carried an entire army,and we still cant figure out how they did THAT!

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Me too! I wonder about the construction and the effort of the great stone work. But then I wonder that not only did they have to have special significance for the builders for them to go to such effort. It may have been so important that people willingly made the effort to work together that we modern humans don't. But aside from the normal day to day concerns, eating, clothing and their family they didn't have a bunch of other stuff stealing their time.

That is heart breaking that they are cutting up the stones at Baalbek. When we were in Turkey, you could see that part of the stone work that made up people's houses were remnants of Roman columns. It was very strange and sad too.

Regards,

Mabon.

We were discussing this aspect of people's lives in that period especially the meaning of time. The Egyptians for instance considered their earthly existance to be merely a rehearsal for the after-life, which they considered to be the time during which they really existed - their life on earth to be entirely inconsequential, thus time had no real meaning.

Combine this philosophy with a collective desire to worship the after-life and the gods that dwell within it and you have an entire people devoted to one single purpose and their country given to its support. A population and country devoted to a single purpose can be an incredibly productive machine as we have seen in the 20th century during our numerous wars - russia for example. When the russian people came together and dedicated themselves to a single goal they built a military machine with an entirely new technology in mere months, then went on to not only defeat what was considered to be an unbeatable enemy but to chase it back to its source, crush it completely and force the surrender of its homeland.

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We were discussing this aspect of people's lives in that period especially the meaning of time. The Egyptians for instance considered their earthly existance to be merely a rehearsal for the after-life, which they considered to be the time during which they really existed - their life on earth to be entirely inconsequential, thus time had no real meaning.

Combine this philosophy with a collective desire to worship the after-life and the gods that dwell within it and you have an entire people devoted to one single purpose and their country given to its support. A population and country devoted to a single purpose can be an incredibly productive machine as we have seen in the 20th century during our numerous wars - russia for example. When the russian people came together and dedicated themselves to a single goal they built a military machine with an entirely new technology in mere months, then went on to not only defeat what was considered to be an unbeatable enemy but to chase it back to its source, crush it completely and force the surrender of its homeland.

You are wrong about the Russians, before WW2 began Russia had more advanced tanks then the Germans, and more of them, Russians were already develpoing the T34 before the Germans invaded. The Russians were already designing next generation bombers and fighters under Tupolev and MIkayan. The Russians did come together to fight for their Mother land but with out the vast resources and man power and technology the Germans would of crushed the Russians. Just like the Japanese crushed the Chinese in Asia. Back to the topic your statement that Egyptians did not live for earthly existance is based on what exactly. If the Egyptians did not live in the physical realty they would of died of. Its called evolution you have to eat before you pray. Saying that most of the population of Any ancient society could use most of their resources and time, little of which they had, to build useless monuments that is ridiculous. Not even mentioning that they had lower life expectancy then we do.

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I remember seeing a picture of somewhere in South America where the megalith was 20,000 tons with heiroglyphs. Graham Hancock(i think), but the most facinating thing about it was that it was upside down. The question was, what immence event flipped it over. The possibilities are endless which leads us to another question. What time period were the builders from and when was it put to ruin.

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You are wrong about the Russians, before WW2 began Russia had more advanced tanks then the Germans, and more of them, Russians were already develpoing the T34 before the Germans invaded. The Russians were already designing next generation bombers and fighters under Tupolev and MIkayan. The Russians did come together to fight for their Mother land but with out the vast resources and man power and technology the Germans would of crushed the Russians. Just like the Japanese crushed the Chinese in Asia. Back to the topic your statement that Egyptians did not live for earthly existance is based on what exactly. If the Egyptians did not live in the physical realty they would of died of. Its called evolution you have to eat before you pray. Saying that most of the population of Any ancient society could use most of their resources and time, little of which they had, to build useless monuments that is ridiculous. Not even mentioning that they had lower life expectancy then we do.

When the germans first invaded Russia the entire Russian military machine collapsed in chaos regardless of how many tanks they had or how many aircraft they had or how many men they had....the vast military machine the Russians had assembled was completely useless because there was no cohesion within the Russian military, there was no sense of a common goal or purpose. It was after the Russsian's successful defence of Stalingrad and Leningrad that Stalin brought his military and people together as one entity with one single goal - the liberation of their nation and when the entire Russian nation acted as one they rebuilt their military, retrained their soldiers, produced new weapons and then moved against the germans as one single irresistable body.

So far as ancient Egyptian philosophy is concerned - you obviously have never bothered to read anything of ancient Egypt so I am reluctant to engage you in any debate.However I suggest you read the following carefully:

"According to the Egyptian philosophy, man is born mortal but contains within himself the seed of the divine. His purpose in this life is to nourish that seed, and his reward, if successful, is eternal life, where he will reunite with his divine origin.

The essence of the Egyptian metaphysical beliefs is that man is created to accomplish a specific role, within the grand cosmic scheme. According to Egyptian traditions, one cannot succeed in earthly life merely by default. One must use his metaphysical faculty (mind symbolized by the heart) and his physical faculty (action symbolized by the tongue). These actions will be in agreement or at variance with natural harmony. If during his/her earthly life, the actions are not harmonious with nature, s/he will reincarnate again to the earthly realm, to try another time.

At the end of one’s earthly existence, a performance evaluation will determine his/her fate."

http://www.egypt-tehuti.com/religion.html

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I actually saw that film which proved beyond any doubt whatsoever that Limestone can be easily cut and shaped with Copper tools and that the blocks could be easily moved and placed in position with remarkably few workmen. Of course a mystery remains about how the larger blocks of hard granite and quartzites were cut and shifted and its beginning to appear that the Egyptians developed techniques that were later used by the Romans when they moved Egyptian obelisks to Rome. Its incredible that we, with all our technology and genius, still cannot figure out the techniques these ancient people used. The Romans once built a bridge over a 500 yard wide section of the River Rhine in ten days that carried an entire army,and we still cant figure out how they did THAT!

With time ...

If you ever happen to be in Segovia, Spain, take a close look at the aqueduct there. It has been standing for almost 2000 years and it is only rock on rock, mainly without cement.

The point at that time was that they had both time and a very cheap workforce ... and if they ran out of workers they could always start a new war to "recruit" some.

Could we build the aqueduct now? Certainly, but at an exorbitant price. Which, after all is what the Romans had to pay.

But for them it was a different philosophy, we build to fulfill our needs, the Romans (ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians... you name it) used to build for all eternity.

The significance for the stoneagers for their monuments was far different. They had just acquired the knowledge of agriculture and the technology that was primordial for it: The calendar.

Before the great monuments there were attempts to "write" the data (the most significant exponent of this may be the Nebra Disk) but as writing was not transmitted the significance of these objects was soon lost. The solution was obvious, there had to be something by which time could be told for generations to come.

This was one of those tasks that were considered well worth every conceivable effort. If it took a whole generation so be it.

(By the way ... all this did not come from my deductions but from an essay by Alan Kerpa I have just read)

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The essence of the Egyptian metaphysical beliefs is that man is created to accomplish a specific role, within the grand cosmic scheme. According to Egyptian traditions, one cannot succeed in earthly life merely by default. One must use his metaphysical faculty (mind symbolized by the heart) and his physical faculty (action symbolized by the tongue). These actions will be in agreement or at variance with natural harmony. If during his/her earthly life, the actions are not harmonious with nature, s/he will reincarnate again to the earthly realm, to try another time.

At the end of one’s earthly existence, a performance evaluation will determine his/her fate."

which is true for every religion, with the difference that the Indian religions promise the dissolution into the Nirvana, and the judeo-christian-islamic tradition took over the Egyptian model of eternal life. But that is not the explanation for the fervor of most ancient Egypcians. It is more liely that it came from the fact that they had something for along time no other tribe could offer ... the promise of eternal life.

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When the germans first invaded Russia the entire Russian military machine collapsed in chaos regardless of how many tanks they had or how many aircraft they had or how many men they had....the vast military machine the Russians had assembled was completely useless because there was no cohesion within the Russian military, there was no sense of a common goal or purpose. It was after the Russsian's successful defence of Stalingrad and Leningrad that Stalin brought his military and people together as one entity with one single goal - the liberation of their nation and when the entire Russian nation acted as one they rebuilt their military, retrained their soldiers, produced new weapons and then moved against the germans as one single irresistable body.

So far as ancient Egyptian philosophy is concerned - you obviously have never bothered to read anything of ancient Egypt so I am reluctant to engage you in any debate.However I suggest you read the following carefully:

"According to the Egyptian philosophy, man is born mortal but contains within himself the seed of the divine. His purpose in this life is to nourish that seed, and his reward, if successful, is eternal life, where he will reunite with his divine origin.

The essence of the Egyptian metaphysical beliefs is that man is created to accomplish a specific role, within the grand cosmic scheme. According to Egyptian traditions, one cannot succeed in earthly life merely by default. One must use his metaphysical faculty (mind symbolized by the heart) and his physical faculty (action symbolized by the tongue). These actions will be in agreement or at variance with natural harmony. If during his/her earthly life, the actions are not harmonious with nature, s/he will reincarnate again to the earthly realm, to try another time.

At the end of one’s earthly existence, a performance evaluation will determine his/her fate."

http://www.egypt-tehuti.com/religion.html

According to every religion a man is born mortal but trhough his actions can attian the after life. But you dont see the Muslims building Huge No purpose megalits, or christians or Jews or hindus for that matter. Your explanation does not address the need to spend huge resources and man power for a useless structure. As far as the Russians I actually studied WW2 in depth unlike you. Yes the Germans knocked huge chunks of the Soviet Army out of commision right away but it was only about 40% which was still more men then the whole German Invasion force, but with out the infarstructure of Factories and technology Stalin that was ready by the begining of WW2 he could not have used superior numbers and technology to bare upon the Germans at Stalingrad. And using this analogy the Soviets had something to come together for its called survival. The Pyramid was not nessacary for survival.

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which is true for every religion, with the difference that the Indian religions promise the dissolution into the Nirvana, and the judeo-christian-islamic tradition took over the Egyptian model of eternal life. But that is not the explanation for the fervor of most ancient Egypcians. It is more liely that it came from the fact that they had something for along time no other tribe could offer ... the promise of eternal life.

I see...let me get this right now; you say Im wrong then you say I'm right in the same paragraph....... LOL

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I see...let me get this right now; you say Im wrong then you say I'm right in the same paragraph....... LOL

Nope, I am saying that there are slight differences... but you are right

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According to every religion a man is born mortal but trhough his actions can attian the after life. But you dont see the Muslims building Huge No purpose megalits, or christians or Jews or hindus for that matter. Your explanation does not address the need to spend huge resources and man power for a useless structure. As far as the Russians I actually studied WW2 in depth unlike you. Yes the Germans knocked huge chunks of the Soviet Army out of commision right away but it was only about 40% which was still more men then the whole German Invasion force, but with out the infarstructure of Factories and technology Stalin that was ready by the begining of WW2 he could not have used superior numbers and technology to bare upon the Germans at Stalingrad. And using this analogy the Soviets had something to come together for its called survival. The Pyramid was not nessacary for survival.

This is what you said in your previous post to me re Russia:

"You are wrong about the Russians, before WW2 began Russia had more advanced tanks then the Germans, and more of them, Russians were already develpoing the T34 before the Germans invaded. The Russians were already designing next generation bombers and fighters under Tupolev and MIkayan. The Russians did come together to fight for their Mother land but with out the vast resources and man power and technology the Germans would of crushed the Russians."

You then totally contradict yourself by saying in the next post:

"but with out the infarstructure of Factories and technology Stalin that was ready by the begining of WW2 he could not have used superior numbers and technology to bare upon the Germans at Stalingrad. "

Then you say:

"The Pyramid was not nessacary for survival."

Which of course is wrong again...the Pyramid was essential to the continuance of the dynastic line into the after life and the continuance of the Egyptian culture was dependent upon this (according to their philosophy), so every Egyptian was induced into the idea that the furtherance of their own lives depended upon the furtherance of the pharaoh's into the afterlife.

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Which of course is wrong again...the Pyramid was essential to the continuance of the dynastic line into the after life and the continuance of the Egyptian culture was dependent upon this (according to their philosophy), so every Egyptian was induced into the idea that the furtherance of their own lives depended upon the furtherance of the pharaoh's into the afterlife.

And I have to agree again, with a small difference. Ancient Egypt was not as homogeneous as we tend to believe. There were different tribes and races with different cultures and customs that made it up. If there would not have been a common belief there would have never been a millenarian empire. Both empires that lasted more than one thousand years, China and Egypt, did so based on faith.

Therefore the Pyramids, the temples and what have you were of essential importance for the survival of the culture, which also included the welfare of its people.

If I may expand a little. The believe in a god-like emperor has created in both cultures something essential for the test of time ... civil servants, scribes and notaries that could organize its permanence.

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"The Pyramid was not nessacary for survival."

Which of course is wrong again...the Pyramid was essential to the continuance of the dynastic line into the after life and the continuance of the Egyptian culture was dependent upon this (according to their philosophy), so every Egyptian was induced into the idea that the furtherance of their own lives depended upon the furtherance of the pharaoh's into the afterlife.

Well that didn't work too well did it? The dynastic line died out if I'm not mistaken.

The Pyramid's purpose has yet to be revealed, to date not one theory regarding this structure has been proven, after 300 years research it is still all speculation.

I do find the idea a tomb repulsive, it insults the intelligence of the builders capable of constructing such an edifice.

Future generations will laugh at our gullibility regarding this ancient structure.

BTW, FYI

Quoting from Wikipedia:

Technical Director Merle Booker of the Indiana Limestone Institute of America performed a Great Pyramid feasibility study relating to the quarrying of the stone in 1978. Consisting of 33 quarries, the Institute is considered by many architects to be one of the world’s leading authorities on limestone. Using modern equipment, the study concludes: “Utilizing the entire Indiana Limestone industry’s facilities as they now stand [for 33 quarries], and figuring on tripling present average production, it would take approximately 27 years to quarry, fabricate and ship the total requirements.”

And to say the ancient Egyptians did all of this work within tolerances of 100th inch using bronze chisels from one are two quarry sites in twenty years time as Egyptologits claim is unquestionably a joke.

We all believe only what we want to believe.

Please I have made up my mind, now don't confuse me with any facts!

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Please I have made up my mind, now don't confuse me with any facts!

Well let you speculate... facts are irrelevant anywaY.....

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Well let you speculate... facts are irrelevant anywaY.....

Go for it!

Since we are speculating, Did you know the same unit of measure is found a Giza, Stonehenge and Teotihuacan?

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Well that didn't work too well did it? The dynastic line died out if I'm not mistaken.

The Pyramid's purpose has yet to be revealed, to date not one theory regarding this structure has been proven, after 300 years research it is still all speculation.

I do find the idea a tomb repulsive, it insults the intelligence of the builders capable of constructing such an edifice.

Future generations will laugh at our gullibility regarding this ancient structure.

BTW, FYI

Quoting from Wikipedia:

Technical Director Merle Booker of the Indiana Limestone Institute of America performed a Great Pyramid feasibility study relating to the quarrying of the stone in 1978. Consisting of 33 quarries, the Institute is considered by many architects to be one of the world’s leading authorities on limestone. Using modern equipment, the study concludes: “Utilizing the entire Indiana Limestone industry’s facilities as they now stand [for 33 quarries], and figuring on tripling present average production, it would take approximately 27 years to quarry, fabricate and ship the total requirements.”

And to say the ancient Egyptians did all of this work within tolerances of 100th inch using bronze chisels from one are two quarry sites in twenty years time as Egyptologits claim is unquestionably a joke.

We all believe only what we want to believe.

Please I have made up my mind, now don't confuse me with any facts!

The problem as usual is the facts outweigh the speculation. We know for a fact that there is a Sarcophagos in the great Pyramid so one would assume it had been intended as a recepticle for a body ergo; it was a tomb. We can now date the Pyramid accurately thru the C14 method as the builders used cement and in the cement are bits of organic material so we know for a fact that the Pyramid does not pre-date the last ice age.

I agree with you that there is a debate over how long it took the egyptians to build the great pyramid. My own opinion is that it took longer than 20 years and I base that opinion on the information you have just quoted and the fact that there are no inscriptions inside the great pyramid which indicates to me that the construction process outlived the pharoah and as succeeding pharoahs were frequently jealous of their predecessor's accomplishments there may have been some deliberate debasing or even perhaps a usurpation of the pyramid by the successor who planned to use it for his own incarceration.

And of course we have to bear in mind that the egyptians were not the only people producing great monuments at that time. All over the world there were cultures building impressive and in some cases even more amazing monuments to their monarchs and gods.

The ancient greeks for example with the Parthenon and the statue of Zeus with its covering of gossamer thin ivory sheets, using a process of softening the ivory and splitting it that we still dont understand today. We even have trouble maintaining the Parthenon!!

The we have the ancient temple foundations at Baalbek with its monstrous almost unimaginably heavy stones of some 1,000 tonnes. The 'harbour' at Tihuanaco with its slabs of Andesite weighing 400 tonnes each. The great stone walls and fortresses of the Incas and the walls in Cuzco - walls built in such a way that they have resisted every earthquake in the region for the last 1,000 years. In mesopatamia we find a culture that could build the largest barrel vaulted roof in the world that was not equalled until the late 19th century!! We still have no idea how the hanging gardens of Babylon were irrigated as somehow the builders of that wonder could make water go uphill without the aid of mechanical pumps. And so on and so on.

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